"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2073027]Morning my fellow SD!

So I am in need of some guidance. I have been disappointed with the young SB in my areas (18-19). They want way too much money and want to provide very little sugar, if any. I have a SO and have decided to not do a traditional SB relationship and instead try to test an on-line relationship with a SB. My on-line SB would be someone who is out of town so as to keep temptation far away. I found a very good POT who lives outside of my state, willing to chat for free and only wants to get paid if she puts on a show. So my question to you all is how much do I pay for those times when she puts on a show. So far I have two quotes from other SB.

#1: $100 for 20 minuts ($5/ min).

#2: $250 for an hour.

Both of these are two much just for a SB to show me her T&A and play with herself. I feel like 30 minutes is a good time frame. So would love to hear what you all think. What should I quote to her?[/QUOTE]There are cam girls all over the internet. If you want the personal touch with a girl you hunted down then check prices. IMHO no touchee should cost a fraction of IRL sex. I would stay well below $100 -more like $30 to 50 for a peep show.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2072796]I ordered a party pack 10 tabs each of V, see and L from JCM. Indian pharmacy company just to try. So far best results with the see. Although tonight I took a combination (shugra) pill. New College SB - 4 sessions over 6 hours. Got to love the babbies![/QUOTE]I have tried them all. Brand and generic. Only brand see works for me without any side effects. Also use compounded testo cream. Very helpful. If I could afford HGH I would go back on that as well. But at 1 k to 2 k a month its out of my league for now. The price tripled in the last 5 years.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2073253]I have tried them all. Brand and generic. Only brand see works for me without any side effects. Also use compounded testo cream. Very helpful. If I could afford HGH I would go back on that as well. But at 1 k to 2 k a month its out of my league for now. The price tripled in the last 5 years.[/QUOTE]Growth hormone therapy does the same thing to cancer cells that it does for dicks, inflates them and makes them strong... No amount of pussy is worth the increased cancer risk, IMO.

The older I get the more I start to believe that my overall happiness doesn't equate to pleasure as much as it amounts to the sum of the pleasures minus the regrets, so I try to keep regrets to a minimum as well; to each his own I guess, but I don't want to be on my death bed with cancer wondering if I got there so I could show SBs a better time.

If they could find a way to remove the risk I'd take the stuff for the gym benefits alone.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2072735]I have used V in the past. When I do use it, I also take an Allegra the to offset the congested nose. That is really the only side effect I have. The stuff works great for me. Unfortunately it is so expensive.... I'm hoping my current inventory of both last me until the V pricing becomes more acceptable.[/QUOTE]Ask your doctor to write a prescription for sildenafil 20 mg. Sildenafil is V, but it is also an anti-hypertension drug called Revatio. Which has now gone generic! It is usually prescribed once three times / day, but for our purposes would be used 3-5 at one time.

In RVA you can get 30 of the 20 mg sildenafil for about $25 at Wallyworld. That's about $4 per the equivalent of a 100 mg V. Compare that to $30/ pill for brand name.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2073300]Growth hormone therapy does the same thing to cancer cells that it does for dicks, inflates them and makes them strong... No amount of pussy is worth the increased cancer risk, IMO.[/QUOTE]Assuming you are correct, you would have to have the cancer cells to grow them. I,m betting I don't. I got where I am in life by throwing the dice (over and over). I come from a family of dice makers not throwers. But I choose the latter. And I,m having way too much fun to stop now anyway.

And if what you say is true then wouldn't young men have the highest rates of cancer as they have the highest production of HGH?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2073917]Assuming you are correct, you would have to have the cancer cells to grow them. I,m betting I don't. I got where I am in life by throwing the dice (over and over). I come from a family of dice makers not throwers. But I choose the latter. And I,m having way too much fun to stop now anyway.

And if what you say is true then wouldn't young men have the highest rates of cancer as they have the highest production of HGH?[/QUOTE]Yes, it would potentially affect existing cancer cells (it would not give anyone cancer who didn't already have it) but then again they say all of us have cancer cells in our body. About the young guys getting more cancer, naturally occurring hormone production in the body and playing tricks on the body are two different things.

I'm not a doctor, but it's my understanding they are supposed to communicate the potential risks of the therapy to their patients -- pretty much any treatment comes with risks and I've yet to meet a doctor that has better answers than what I can find myself on the Internet, it is one of the perils of a health care industry that is for-profit (I.e. Has no financial motive to make people healthier but has plenty of motive to sell expensive drugs).

At the end of it all I would never tell someone else what they should do -- I was only speaking about my own thoughts on it. One day I'll be on my death bed and I'd rather be laying there thinking "well I did everything I could / did the best I could" rather than "I should have done such and such differently". But that's just me. If the risks are not yet fully confirmed or understood (easier to do on lab animals than humans), then I'd rather not be one of the early human lab specimens. Also the mental image of Lyle Alzado as he was dying from brain cancer is a tough image to forget.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2073300]Growth hormone therapy does the same thing to cancer cells that it does for dicks, inflates them and makes them strong... No amount of pussy is worth the increased cancer risk, IMO.

The older I get the more I start to believe that my overall happiness doesn't equate to pleasure as much as it amounts to the sum of the pleasures minus the regrets, so I try to keep regrets to a minimum as well; to each his own I guess, but I don't want to be on my death bed with cancer wondering if I got there so I could show SBs a better time.

If they could find a way to remove the risk I'd take the stuff for the gym benefits alone.[/QUOTE]All official medical boards and the FDA caution users of Hormones that they can cause cancer. Estrogen is implicated in Breast cancer and Testosterone / Prostate. The common sense fact of the matter is that cancers of those organs are generally hormone sensitive tissues (glandular) and if cancer exists it will be stimulated by hormone exposure, whether exogenous or endogenous. (Taken by the person or produced within that person). The key is to live as healthy a life as possible so that your natural immune response works well. We are constantly producing anaplastic cells from every organ and tissue and they can "take root " and grow if your natural defense mechanism breaks down. Oxidation is the deterioration of molecules (imagine rust) Antioxidants like Vit see will help prevent that process. I'm absolutely positive that V is a powerful antioxidant so take it regularly. Also Retained sperm is toxic to the prostate so it is important that we guys evacuate out prostates regularly. Imagine Crap sitting in our colon for days on end irritating the wall. We got to get that shit out!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2074082]Also Retained sperm is toxic to the prostate so it is important that we guys evacuate out prostates regularly. Imagine Crap sitting in our colon for days on end irritating the wall. We got to get that shit out![/QUOTE]I"ve taught many a girl on the proper massaging technique to accomplish this as therapeutically and hedonistically as possible. L'chaim. LOL.

Got a hit off my CL ad. When I saw the pics I thought this has to be TGTBT. Within two days I found myself in the apartment of a beautifull 5'2" 22 year old latina. She was a college grad and now Jr Executive living alone in a fashionable apt in Hollywood.

She greeted me in a little black dress and heels. I was in shock and awe when I saw her. Just an amazingly beautiful and very refined girl, looking to widen her experience in life with a mature, considerate and devilish older guy.

We just went straight at it for the next 90 minutes. I think we were both taken off guard. Trying to be objective she was at least a 8/9/10/8. Paid my $ and went home. Can't wait to see her again.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2075116]Got a hit off my CL ad. When I saw the pics I thought this has to be TGTBT. Within two days I found myself in the apartment of a beautifull 5'2" 22 year old latina. She was a college grad and now Jr Executive living alone in a fashionable apt in Hollywood.

She greeted me in a little black dress and heels. I was in shock and awe when I saw her. Just an amazingly beautiful and very refined girl, looking to widen her experience in life with a mature, considerate and devilish older guy.

We just went straight at it for the next 90 minutes. I think we were both taken off guard. Trying to be objective she was at least a 8/9/10/8. Paid my $ and went home. Can't wait to see her again.[/QUOTE]She looks like fun indeed. The pics you post make me want to move to L.A... I'll have to live vicariously through you for now, the last of my SD site accounts just expired. This year it took me almost a full month to get over the withdrawal symptoms, and come back down to earth to the point where I feel like I'm once again putting 100% into the relationship with my GF, last year it was more like a week, but that was because I only had one SB last year when the girlfriend was away (that SB was hot little 20 year old stripper that I met in her workplace just a few weeks after she started dancing, so she was still very trainable, and lots of fun in bed).

The withdrawal wasn't fun -- my girlfriend came back from her trip early, which forced me to flake out on several SBs I had dates with. I think the variety I had this year was part of what it so hard to give up. For now at least I've been able to put my antics on the back burner, and have a few of the SBs that I plan to contact at the next available opportunity (who knows when or if they will still be available -- if not I will just renew my website memberships and start over). In the meantime just reconnecting with the girlfriend and enjoying the benefits of that relationship. Not the most exciting daily life but there is something to be said for reliable companionship.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2075116]Got a hit off my CL ad. [/QUOTE]It's cool that you had luck with a CL post. Up until this past week, CL has been my best source of girls, but then someone at CL decided they wanted to clean house and went through my CL accts and took down all of my ads and won't let me post anymore. Even if I try to make a new account and make a "looking for SB" posting, it gets deleted before it even makes it to the site. So I'm solely with SA for now, which has worked out since I've got a few girls I'm working through from there, but I miss fishing over in CL.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2075327]It's cool that you had luck with a CL post. Up until this past week, CL has been my best source of girls, but then someone at CL decided they wanted to clean house and went through my CL accts and took down all of my ads and won't let me post anymore. Even if I try to make a new account and make a "looking for SB" posting, it gets deleted before it even makes it to the site. So I'm solely with SA for now, which has worked out since I've got a few girls I'm working through from there, but I miss fishing over in CL.[/QUOTE]Does CL have an official policy against SB / SD terminology or is it just a case of a gung ho moderator? Do the ads prompt you for a cell number to send confirmation code? You could always generate a temporary one through the Hushed app for a few bucks if that's what they're using to flag you.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2075351]Does CL have an official policy against SB / SD terminology or is it just a case of a gung ho moderator? Do the ads prompt you for a cell number to send confirmation code? You could always generate a temporary one through the Hushed app for a few bucks if that's what they're using to flag you.[/QUOTE]I suspect that in my case its a little bit of both. Research on the CL forums indicates that CL does not permit SD / SB postings and will remove such posts. And my posts were not merely flagged and taken down (otherwise I would just turn around and repost them a couple hours later as I usually do), but I flat out cannot create any new posts, period. So I'm assuming a member of the help staff noticed my posts and reported me to a moderator who swung the Uru Hammer of Moderation to take down all my posts and prevent me from making any new posts on any of my accounts. Then when I created a new account and tried to make a new ad for potential SBs, my posting was deleted before it could even be posted, which makes me suspect that CL added in some keywords that are under watch, at least in this area.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2075351]Does CL have an official policy against SB / SD terminology or is it just a case of a gung ho moderator? Do the ads prompt you for a cell number to send confirmation code? You could always generate a temporary one through the Hushed app for a few bucks if that's what they're using to flag you.[/QUOTE]I don't use SD / Sb type wording. You have to read between the lines. And some girls do.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2075392]I suspect that in my case its a little bit of both. Research on the CL forums indicates that CL does not permit SD / SB postings and will remove such posts. And my posts were not merely flagged and taken down (otherwise I would just turn around and repost them a couple hours later as I usually do), but I flat out cannot create any new posts, period. So I'm assuming a member of the help staff noticed my posts and reported me to a moderator who swung the Uru Hammer of Moderation to take down all my posts and prevent me from making any new posts on any of my accounts. Then when I created a new account and tried to make a new ad for potential SBs, my posting was deleted before it could even be posted, which makes me suspect that CL added in some keywords that are under watch, at least in this area.[/QUOTE]Sounds like they may have blocked you by IP addy. You could use an anonymizer + disposable number to get around it, but like Hollywood said get really creative with the wording.