"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2071916]To clarify, I didn't mean that SBs read the WSJ or follow the stock market. I mean when the economy moves in a particular direction *everyone* feels it. Tension when it goes down, relief when it goes up.

What it most likely means (to an SB directly) is that the 25 year old boyfriend that she's in love with that she never told her SD about gets a raise or a promotion and starts promising her good things, which makes her feel like she doesn't need to do sugar babying on the side, or something along those lines. Like I said, a lot of it is just psychological. If a college SB hears nothing but gloom and doom stories about the job market for graduates during her second year in college, she starts thinking about alternative ways to pay back student loans and that leads her to creating a SD site profile out of curiosity. However, if she's feeling like the world is her oyster because the numbers for graduates landing jobs are up, she might take herself off the market or simply inflate her prices. Also when the economy is up, the typical SD is feeling more confident about his position and is more likely to have more disposable income, which leads to more SDs appearing on the site. Combine the increase in SDs with a decrease in SBs, and I think you can see what I'm driving at.

One good thing -- college tuition has been outrunning inflation for decades. So overall, in the long run, so if trends continue there should be an increasing supply of college girls in need of increasing levels of help as the student loan debt crisis worsens over time (independent of normal economic fluctuations). The bad news is that I hope none of you guys have daughters that you need to put through college any time in the next 20 years :)[/QUOTE]I consult within the for profit college industry. This situation is out of control and is only going to get worse (better for us). Nothing is going to happen as far as regulatory action from the federal government until at least after the 2016 election. Until 2 years ago there were no controls at all.

So over the past several days, I figure I would dip my toes back into the SD4 M waters since it's been over 6 months when I last fished in those ponds. I figured since I already have a couple of nice SBs from CL in my rotation (albeit flaky), I could approach SD4 M from a position of strength and not be too quick to jump at anything, which didn't seem to fully meet my desires.

The upside is that my cover letter was pretty strong. I got about an 80% response rate from the 15-16 girls I contacted. From there the girls filtered out from various reasons. A couple were Pros. Some didn't like my picture. Some I didn't like their full body picture. Some were too far away or didn't have transportation. And etc.

Like some of you, I tried to catch a few of the new signup girls. Though I have a slightly different objective than maybe some of you. Because of my work schedule and family commitments, it's pretty rare that I can meet a girl within 24 hours of first contact, which is pretty much required to hold on to the new girls. So I end up usually with the same cycle, the girl is really into me for the first 24-36 hours, but by 48 hours she's starting to talking to other guys and probably get hit up with a direct offer that's higher. Usually between 48 -72 hours, radio silence occurs. However since I know I'll lose at the short-game approach, I play the long game. For the majority of new girls, their first SD experience will not meet their lofty expectations and they'll probably feel dirty, depending on how much of a creeper the first SD was. On girls who I felt had really good potential, I'll keep an eye on their profile. Once their login dates start to spread out a bit that's when I know they've either had their first SD experience or started to give up. Sometimes I may send a feeler out then to her. Sometimes she contacts me herself. She remembers how much of a gentleman I was but that I was also legit. So the long game can work depending how you approached the initial 24 hours. But often times no matter what they're usually in the wind for good.

Anyway overall my return fishing trip had a few prospects but nothing to really to get excited about. Seems like most are already fizzling out and except for maybe one. For now I'm probably just going to stick to my hot CL SBs. I was thinking of adding another SB to the stable to help fill in the void when they flake, but I may just fill that void with a decent escort for now.

OK, so I broke my "made in stone " rule #1 . I prepaid my FB for a month ahead. She has been extraordinarily reliable and very reasonable. CPO =under $ . She has periodic disasters and asks for an advance which so far I have denied. Call it growing trust (or stupidity) this time when asked for a small amount I gave up a larger sum and asked for 1 month's coverage in advance. She agreed and that put my CPO at $60. If this works out, which I really think it will, it could be a win win for both of us. It makes our relationship less transactional and gives her a little more cash to ease her struggle. Stay tuned.

Since the subject of performance enhancers comes up from time to time here, I thought I'd share something I found interesting. Last night Miles Teller and Zac Efron (two largely forgettable actors that are popular in millennial circles I guess, in case you're unfamiliar) were on Conan, and displayed a couple of stills from a movie they are in where I guess they took Viagra and were unable to piss without laying on their stomachs on the toilet with their dicks pointed straight toward the water ("planking" as Conan put it. LOL).

But Conan asked the boys, "are the young people really into taking Viagra these days?" and Miles said it's basically a backup plan for him, for those nights when he's had too much to drink or his mind is just not cooperating.

I thought it's kind of an interesting statement coming from kids in their mid 20's (popular actors with plenty of access to free pussy, no less). Apparently V has worked it's way down to the kiddies; something for us geezers to keep in mind, as we increasingly find ways to compete. .

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2072170]Since the subject of performance enhancers comes up from time to time here, I thought I'd share something I found interesting. Last night Miles Teller and Zac Efron (two largely forgettable actors that are popular in millennial circles I guess, in case you're unfamiliar) were on Conan, and displayed a couple of stills from a movie they are in where I guess they took Viagra and were unable to piss without laying on their stomachs on the toilet with their dicks pointed straight toward the water ("planking" as Conan put it. LOL).

But Conan asked the boys, "are the young people really into taking Viagra these days?" and Miles said it's basically a backup plan for him, for those nights when he's had too much to drink or his mind is just not cooperating.

I thought it's kind of an interesting statement coming from kids in their mid 20's (popular actors with plenty of access to free pussy, no less). Apparently V has worked it's way down to the kiddies; something for us geezers to keep in mind, as we increasingly find ways to compete. .[/QUOTE]V parties for young guys that want to do multiple girls in a night or have all night sex are not unheard of. Especially among young executives on business trips / conventions. Mixed with x and drinking. Nothing new.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2072174]V parties for young guys that want to do multiple girls in a night or have all night sex are not unheard of. Especially among young executives on business trips / conventions. Mixed with x and drinking. Nothing new.[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's nothing new, but what was interesting to me was that he was not talking about V parties or orgies, he was talking about the combination of booze and your dick simply not cooperating with what your brain had planned for the evening.

Keep in mind I'm not in the loop on performance enhancers, so what might be interesting to me (and was apparently interesting to Conan as well) may be old news to some. I had an SB last month who asked me during our dinner if I had ever tried Viagra, and she was really surprised that I had not, so I guess all her boyfriends her age were into it too. I've been putting it off simply because I try not to put any chemicals beyond alcohol in my body (and since the longest living people on the planet drink alcohol like nobodies business, I'm still unconvinced that its bad for us).

However I did have an experience recently with an all-nighter SB where I was not 100% the second round because I didn't have faith she would show up that night, and needed relief, so I went to an AMP for a tuggy around lunchtime earlier that day, so I'm thinking about getting a prescription for my next SB season, simply as a backup like the kid on the show was saying.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2072200]I'm sure it's nothing new, but what was interesting to me was that he was not talking about V parties or orgies, he was talking about the combination of booze and your dick simply not cooperating with what your brain had planned for the evening.

Keep in mind I'm not in the loop on performance enhancers, so what might be interesting to me (and was apparently interesting to Conan as well) may be old news to some. I had an SB last month who asked me during our dinner if I had ever tried Viagra, and she was really surprised that I had not, so I guess all her boyfriends her age were into it too. I've been putting it off simply because I try not to put any chemicals beyond alcohol in my body (and since the longest living people on the planet drink alcohol like nobodies business, I'm still unconvinced that its bad for us).

However I did have an experience recently with an all-nighter SB where I was not 100% the second round because I didn't have faith she would show up that night, and needed relief, so I went to an AMP for a tuggy around lunchtime earlier that day, so I'm thinking about getting a prescription for my next SB season, simply as a backup like the kid on the show was saying.[/QUOTE]I don't take V. But I do take C. It has never let me down. I rarely finish before they do. Can not combine this with drinking. But I gave that up in another fellowship 17 years ago.

On Saturday I met two SB POTs who were as different as night and day in multiple ways:

#1 - Met a local SA girl for an afternoon M&G, had a pretty face, but was thicker than I prefer (and conversation with her revealed a Nando 1). But I really wanted to fuck, so I checked us into a cheap motel, did our deed, gave her some sugar and parted ways. I had hoped I would be able to make an excuse later on to not see her again on a repeat basis, but she has been very persistent with texts this week about wanting to see me again. I hit that once and do not want to repeat. I'm on the verge of just blocking her texts.

On the other hand...

#2 - A different local girl finally logged on to SA and replied to a message I sent her a couple weeks ago. We decided to meet up that evening. She was very attractive, petite blonde, girl next door. Smart, funny, personable. My kind of SB. As soon as we got in my car, she wanted to kiss and we had a hot, over the clothes make out session right there in the parking ramp. We drove around looking for someplace with a little more privacy but didn't really find a place and she had to be up too early to check into a hotel. She seemed very interested in meeting with me as soon as possible and she said she'd make it a priority. As I dropped her off, she asked if I could help her with some money. All I had on me was a twenty, and she seemed appreciative. I was on Cloud Nine the rest of the night, I thought I'd finally found my new SB.

Sure enough, the next day she's not responding to my texts. Doesn't respond to a text on the day after, either. I'm actually concerned about her well being, but I'm also suspecting something else is going on. So I purchase a Hushed number and text her from that, pretending to be some random person texting her. Of course she responds to that text. So now I'm assuming that my "ideal SB" was playing me for as much money as she could get out of me on Saturday without having to do as much of the work as possible. Too bad for her, I would have given her a generous allowance based on her overall quality that night. What are some of these girls thinking?

TL; DR: The girl I want to leave me alone won't stop texting me, while the girl I wanted to see much more of is ignoring me.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2072468]On Saturday I met two SB POTs who were as different as night and day in multiple ways:

#1 - Met a local SA girl for an afternoon M&G, had a pretty face, but was thicker than I prefer (and conversation with her revealed a Nando 1). But I really wanted to fuck, so I checked us into a cheap motel, did our deed, gave her some sugar and parted ways. I had hoped I would be able to make an excuse later on to not see her again on a repeat basis, but she has been very persistent with texts this week about wanting to see me again. I hit that once and do not want to repeat. I'm on the verge of just blocking her texts.

On the other hand...

#2 - A different local girl finally logged on to SA and replied to a message I sent her a couple weeks ago. We decided to meet up that evening. She was very attractive, petite blonde, girl next door. Smart, funny, personable. My kind of SB. As soon as we got in my car, she wanted to kiss and we had a hot, over the clothes make out session right there in the parking ramp. We drove around looking for someplace with a little more privacy but didn't really find a place and she had to be up too early to check into a hotel. She seemed very interested in meeting with me as soon as possible and she said she'd make it a priority. As I dropped her off, she asked if I could help her with some money. All I had on me was a twenty, and she seemed appreciative. I was on Cloud Nine the rest of the night, I thought I'd finally found my new SB.

Sure enough, the next day she's not responding to my texts. Doesn't respond to a text on the day after, either. I'm actually concerned about her well being, but I'm also suspecting something else is going on. So I purchase a Hushed number and text her from that, pretending to be some random person texting her. Of course she responds to that text. So now I'm assuming that my "ideal SB" was playing me for as much money as she could get out of me on Saturday without having to do as much of the work as possible. Too bad for her, I would have given her a generous allowance based on her overall quality that night. What are some of these girls thinking?

TL; DR: The girl I want to leave me alone won't stop texting me, while the girl I wanted to see much more of is ignoring me.[/QUOTE]#1 - do not txt her back. She'll stop bothering you soon enough.

#2 - very common and no big deal. And that is what they are thinking. Lots of girls would be happy for a free dinner or a $20 for a little making out. And that is all they want. Got caught in that trap many times in the past.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2072204]I don't take V. But I do take C. It has never let me down. I rarely finish before they do. Can not combine this with drinking. But I gave that up in another fellowship 17 years ago.[/QUOTE]Cialis lasts 24-48 hrs for me, it actually kinda fades slowly. V only lasts 4 hrs so I prefer see. I drink with cialis didn't know that was a problem. You may want to try them all see what you think, but its really nice to take a cialis in the afternoon and know its good for the next two nights.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2072204]I don't take V. But I do take C. It has never let me down. I rarely finish before they do. Can not combine this with drinking. But I gave that up in another fellowship 17 years ago.[/QUOTE]I have used V in the past. When I do use it, I also take an Allegra the to offset the congested nose. That is really the only side effect I have. The stuff works great for me. Unfortunately it is so expensive. But, with the patent running out this year, I would expect the price to drop like a rock next year and some very good generics to be available at a reasonable price. I did try a few of the copy cat products sold on Amazon. The best were VIM-25, which worked exactly like V at $2 each. Eventually it was no longer available. Then I found a product called Mojo Risen. Similar price to the VIM-25 and worked even better as the effects lasted 2 - 3 days. The perfect product if you had multiple dates set up. Unfortunately, it ended up with the same fate. Fortunately for me I had just gotten a shipment of it before that happened. So, I use them sparingly and use the V more for when I don't have more than one SB booked. I'm hoping my current inventory of both last me until the V pricing becomes more acceptable.

Cincinnati has a SB thread. It's been going 14 months and has 29 posts. One of the posts recognized our Richmond board as the authority on the subject:

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1944998]There is a huge thread on this on the Richmond, VA page, with contributors from all over the country. It is filled with good tips and some great stories. I personally have met and had success with 8-10 girls in the last 8-9 months, ranging from UTR girls to a couple of true first timers. I use SA exclusively but some guys swear by sugardaddy4 me. I have pretty much given up looking for girls anywhere else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Varoom;1945031]As Dsprdo mentions, the thread here on usasg is stellar reading on the subject. If you wish to learn the trade of hunting and trapping Sugarbabies you might as well learn from some of the experts who write about their experiences right here on the site. Frankly whether you are interested in this craft or not it is some of the most entertaining reading one could have; well worth pouring a martini and begin on page one as it reads like a novel. There are now over 5200 posts to consume on the subject and you will certainly pick up a number of pointers there too as quite a few of these fellows have been practicing for years and share nearly every detail of their thrists..

You will find the thread here [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-...[/URL] but I would suggest going to the bottom right hand side of the page and hitting last, this will take you to post #1... These older gents have become quite skilled at charming the pants off of these youngins regularly. What a country!![/QUOTE]I don't much like Varoom calling us "older gents" but at least he's giving us our due.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2072200]I'm sure it's nothing new, but what was interesting to me was that he was not talking about V parties or orgies, he was talking about the combination of booze and your dick simply not cooperating with what your brain had planned for the evening.

Keep in mind I'm not in the loop on performance enhancers, so what might be interesting to me (and was apparently interesting to Conan as well) may be old news to some. I had an SB last month who asked me during our dinner if I had ever tried Viagra, and she was really surprised that I had not, so I guess all her boyfriends her age were into it too. I've been putting it off simply because I try not to put any chemicals beyond alcohol in my body (and since the longest living people on the planet drink alcohol like nobodies business, I'm still unconvinced that its bad for us).

However I did have an experience recently with an all-nighter SB where I was not 100% the second round because I didn't have faith she would show up that night, and needed relief, so I went to an AMP for a tuggy around lunchtime earlier that day, so I'm thinking about getting a prescription for my next SB season, simply as a backup like the kid on the show was saying.[/QUOTE]I ordered a party pack 10 tabs each of V, see and L from JCM. Indian pharmacy company just to try. So far best results with the see. Although tonight I took a combination (shugra) pill. New College SB - 4 sessions over 6 hours. Got to love the babbies!

First met her on SDT site- what a gem. She has since logged off and is now on SA. Emailed and texted for a couple of weeks. Met today at 4 at my hotel. Because I travel most SB's I meet are OK coming right to the hotel. 24 mixed race beauty. After talking for at 1 hour made some moves and she was all in. First college SB. Will keep her as a reg. .2 plus dinner. As SC would say cost per O was 50 -.

Morning my fellow SD!

So I am in need of some guidance. I have been disappointed with the young SB in my areas (18-19). They want way too much money and want to provide very little sugar, if any. I have a SO and have decided to not do a traditional SB relationship and instead try to test an on-line relationship with a SB. My on-line SB would be someone who is out of town so as to keep temptation far away. I found a very good POT who lives outside of my state, willing to chat for free and only wants to get paid if she puts on a show. So my question to you all is how much do I pay for those times when she puts on a show. So far I have two quotes from other SB.

#1: $100 for 20 minuts ($5/ min).

#2: $250 for an hour.

Both of these are two much just for a SB to show me her T&A and play with herself. I feel like 30 minutes is a good time frame. So would love to hear what you all think. What should I quote to her?