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[QUOTE=GoodWill123;6904387].

I Also find it interesting that every time there's supposed dirt on trump, we end up finding he's innocent, and only to further find out the other party was involved. [/QUOTE]Being told by a court to repay the $2 million dollars he stole from a charity and to shut down the charity because he can't be trusted is not "finding he's innocent".

Getting found that he sexually assaulted and then defamed a woman so he has to pay her close to $90 million is not, "finding he's innocent".

Getting found by the courts that he filed false financial statements to cheat on taxes and loans and he has to pay close to $400 million is not, "finding he's innocent".

He is currently on trial for election finance fraud, and the grand jury that returned 33 indictments did not, "finding he's innocent".

There's still the GA, the FL, and the DC indictments whose grand juries did not, "finding he's innocent".

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;6904387]Just saying. I find it interesting. Joe Biden has told more lies than the last several presidents combined, and has destroyed the country. And we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind. I was just rewatching things Biden said about Afghanistan 20+ years ago, and what he says now, and how he's lied the whole time. The whole time.

I Also find it interesting that every time there's supposed dirt on trump, we end up finding he's innocent, and only to further find out the other party was involved. Russia collusion, omarosa and supposed racism, Ukraine supposed quid pro quo, and now the Stormy Daniels case which is falling apart on the democrats. Not to mention the unexplained $12 million from overseas adversaries. Seriously, and we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind.

And to see such blatent election interference on the part of Biden, just to keep Trump off the campaign trail. And ironically it's caused trumps poll numbers to climb at unprecedented levels, even in blue states! . Why? Because people are starting to see through the BS now. It's hilarious. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm neither republican nor democrat, I'm independent. But I can clearly see they're so afraid of trump and how he'll once again help our country, that they will relentlessly demonize and villianize him in the media any way they can. And even in the now two tiered system of justice that we now live in.

And I'll add this. In the bible, read John chapter 8, the woman who was caught in adultery. One theme screams off the page. And that is, if you're hell bent on hating someone, with such venomous hatred, you'll never see the real truth or even good in someone, because you've already made up your own mind. That bible passage displays so much hypocrisy on the part of those trying to crucify Him, it's not even funny. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Since you're so bent on forgiveness Trump's adultery, let me remind you that before there can be forgiveness, there has to be an admission and repentance. Have you ever heard Trump admit any wrongdoing, any at all?

As soon as Trump admits and repents, we can discuss.

[QUOTE=DNut;6903824]Are you going to tell your sister that she wasn't raped, because her attacker was held liable "only in a civil lawsuit". Is that really where your moral compass points? It's not really a crime if, "it's only a civil lawsuit". BTW, the judge was clear in his instructions to the jury in his second trial against E. Hean Carroll; Trump raped her, and he used that word, "rape".

Trump is a career criminal who has used his wealth to insulate himself from repercussions of his actions.

"it's only a civil trial" is such a weak justification to defend a career criminal.[/QUOTE]I was not defending Trump, but just pointing out you were incorrect to imply that he was criminally convicted of the crimes you mention. You can go back to your ranting.

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6904371]Huh? Maybe find some non-sociopaths to hang out with. Aggressive tax fraud is not the norm in life and business.[/QUOTE]Also known as attacking the gray areas which there is no shortage of in the current tax code. All businesses take advantage of that, it's not fraud.

Golfguy, playing through.

Oh with all these comments from misguided people thinking there party's candidate is better than the other is simply hilarious and scary at the same time. When will you all get smart and realize that neither of these two candidates are qualified to be president.

I for one will not vote for either because my vote is worth more than either of these two clowns. There is a reason that the two major parties jeep it to only two viable parties and voters like you all support it.

I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.

[QUOTE=CarpetBagger;6903503]While always polite, I cannot imagine why anyone would ever answer any questions from a cop. Cops passed a civil service test, they're not detectives for a reason. Patrol cops reply 99.5% of self-incrimination, because most criminals are even less clever than a cop.

I forget their handle, but there's a couple of hilarious lawyers (Chicago? Maybe Philly accent?) that constantly give advice, and every traffic stop advice video they do is basically; after you've politely provided license and registration. Shut the fuck up. They say it like 8 times in each video, they're great.

Anywho. I'm not one to tell anybody else what to do, I don't pretend to know what's best for other people. But a big smile and "I don't answer questions" is the end of my cop convos.[/QUOTE]

Guess you've been deaf ears to Joe Biden's dealings with his first wife and Jill "the Babysitter?" Also Joe's daughter and her writings in her diary. Etc. Trump's escapades are not innocent in any way BUT I've never heard any explanation come from Joe on his either.

[QUOTE=DNut;6904471]Since you're so bent on forgiveness Trump's adultery, let me remind you that before there can be forgiveness, there has to be an admission and repentance. Have you ever heard Trump admit any wrongdoing, any at all?

As soon as Trump admits and repents, we can discuss.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CautiousTed;6905194]Guess you've been deaf ears to Joe Biden's dealings with his first wife and Jill "the Babysitter?" Also Joe's daughter and her writings in her diary. Etc. Trump's escapades are not innocent in any way BUT I've never heard any explanation come from Joe on his either.[/QUOTE]Stop getting your information from the MAGA bubble. Makes you look foolish when fact checked.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9928835790[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9928835790[/URL]

[QUOTE=MassageGoer;6904952]I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.[/QUOTE]You are an expert. I have had two encounters with police during fifty years practicing this delightful hobby.

First encounter:

Fifteen years ago, I parked my vehicle outside an AMP. There were two patrol cars parked in the lot. I ascended the outside stairs and knocked. The door opened. Instead of a sexy angel appearing, a young, attractive policewoman asked me, "What do you want here? I told her I came to get a Chinese foot massage. Annoyed, she asked if I had come for sexual solicitation of an employee. Was she allowed to ask this?

I did not answer her question but asked her if she had ever enjoyed Chinese foot massage. I told her the masseuses in this place were famous for their skill and that she should try. Was this a mistake on my part?

The officer appeared perplexed and did not respond. Could she have arrested and charged me at that point?

I excused myself, turned, and walked back down the stairs. Could they have arrested me for leaving?

Second encounter.

About 18 years ago, I picked up a sweet thing on a Florida highway. I drove to her spot for dates. After arriving, she provided a delightful oral massage of my bursting organ and swallowed all of my nectar. After adjusting our clothes, but before I had paid for services, I noticed a patrol car approaching in my rearview mirror. During the minutes before the officer arrived, my new friend told me to tell the police that I knew her as a friend named xx and that we had parked there to chat. The officer, a woman, asked us for I'd. Did we have to provide I'd? I think so. We did.

The officer asked me what we were doing. Should I have refused to answer?

I recited the story that my friend had told me to recite. "I ran into my friend, . On the road, and we stopped here to chat. " Was it a mistake to answer this way?

The officer said something like, "We know that all she does is prostitution, and we saw her head in your lap from the hill over there. " Was she engaging in prostitution? " I don't remember my answer, but it either was explicitly negative or implied that I would never do such a thing. Was this a mistake on my part?

The officer gave us back our I'd and told me to leave. They took my companion into custody. I never heard from her or the police after this.

I was nervous about this for several months after the incident. Would it have been likely that the police would have summoned me to court?

Did the girl's alibi help her or me?

Could you be so kind as to answer these questions?

[QUOTE=MassageGoer;6904952]I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.[/QUOTE]Then you know if I answer 72 mph when he asks me if I knew how fast I was going is 100% an admission of guilt and I never had to be mirandized before he asked that question. When it comes to cops, answer the questions you're legally obligated to answer, stick to 'I do not wish to discuss my day, under advice of my attorney and pursuant to my fifth amendment rights, I will not answer questions without them present', and then shut the f#ck up. Another very important statement, I do not consent to any searches or seizures. Even if you are being detained, make that statement. It will bite them in the ass 95% of the time.

Funny you have to rely on a "fact check" completed by notorious POS. You do you. The whole world knows the story and doesn't need a "fact check". It's out there. Open your own eyes.

[QUOTE=DNut;6905203]Stop getting your information from the MAGA bubble. Makes you look foolish when fact checked.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9928835790[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9928835790[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=CautiousTed;6905867]Funny you have to rely on a "fact check" completed by notorious POS. You do you. The whole world knows the story and doesn't need a "fact check". It's out there. Open your own eyes.[/QUOTE]So what you're saying is that you weren't fooled by the false claim, but you decided to spread it anyway. So you purposely lied.

The difference between what I said about the career criminal Donald Trump, and what you said about Joe Biden, is that everything I said about Trump is true and was proven in court.

Take it private or the other tab. I want to know about any good nuru.

[QUOTE=Jayson7825;6905471]Then you know if I answer 72 mph when he asks me if I knew how fast I was going is 100% an admission of guilt and I never had to be mirandized before he asked that question. When it comes to cops, answer the questions you're legally obligated to answer, stick to 'I do not wish to discuss my day, under advice of my attorney and pursuant to my fifth amendment rights, I will not answer questions without them present', and then shut the f#ck up. Another very important statement, I do not consent to any searches or seizures. Even if you are being detained, make that statement. It will bite them in the ass 95% of the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;6904775]Also known as attacking the gray areas which there is no shortage of in the current tax code. All businesses take advantage of that, it's not fraud.

Golfguy, playing through.[/QUOTE]Used to really respect your intelligence, Golfguy. But, wow. Your orangeman spends little time in grey. He is Mr. Fraud. All fraud, all the time. Trump University?

Bengal Dude, just because someone (golf Guy) disagrees with you, that doesn't mean they're not smart. You respected him up until now just because you don't know how to agree to disagree?

Couldn't we say the same about you? Are you that tainted by the fraudulent media, that you've succumbed to the lies of the liberal media (5/6 of the major news corporations are owned / operated with those with a liberal, socialist, or anti-american mindset).

You keep saying Trump committed tax fraud. Prove it. He's been attacked and villianized for years, yet he's still not in jail. And Lord knows it's not without lacking effort. And he's being tried in pro-democrat, anti -trump environments, and they still haven't convicted him. Talk about lack of fair trial.

I'm just saying, you've already convicted him, and the trials against him keep falling apart on their own. The democrats star witness, Cohen, just admitted yesterday he'd been stealing thousands from Trump. And he admitted to Costello Trump knew nothing about the stormy Daniels payment. Then changed his story, twice! And Biden, Mr fraudulent himself still hasn't explained Burisma, is claiming he's lowered inflation from like 9% when he "took office" (lmfao) to what it is now, and the border is secure, and the economy's doing great, and continues to stoke the racism flames like he did at the commencement this past weekend. People of many backgrounds are disgusted with what he said, and using a commencement address to bash other's for political gain. And he continues to lie about Afghanistan. I come from a military family. Virtually no one in our armed forces trusts him. I've yet to meet one. And you want to focus on Trump?

Look you can hold whatever opinion you want of Trump if you hate him that much. But before you go telling others they're stupid just because they disagree with you, I suggest you yourself look inward at your own hypocrisy, because there's plenty of "fraud" within the ranks of the other side that's being ignored here. Just saying.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;6906189]Used to really respect your intelligence, Golfguy. But, wow. Your orangeman spends little time in grey. He is Mr. Fraud. All fraud, all the time. Trump University?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BengalMan;6906189]Used to really respect your intelligence, Golfguy. But, wow. Your orangeman spends little time in grey. He is Mr. Fraud. All fraud, all the time. Trump University?[/QUOTE]Bengalman.

You forgot Trump Foundation.

Mike B.

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;6906219]You keep saying Trump committed tax fraud. Prove it.[/QUOTE]It already was proven, in court, and he was fined almost $400,000,000.

He is also on trial for business fraud to hide campaign finance fraud; a two-fer, in a CRIMINAL case.

Trump committed crimes, and that has been proven in court, which is a higher bar than being proven in the court of public opinion.

I get this is the place to debate, but no one is going to change anyone's mind. At all.

We're all on the same team looking for pussy. If you're democrat then go fuck a republican in the ass, if you republican then bareback a democrat; take your resentment out there.

We can argue politics anywhere so lets focus on using this site to help each other get laid.

That's no reason to say anything. If you do, while they can't use the specific thing you say against you in court, they can seek other evidence to prove what you tell them.

In other words, always STFU!

[QUOTE=MassageGoer;6904952]I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlphaTek1;6906324]I get this is the place to debate, but no one is going to change anyone's mind. At all.

We're all on the same team looking for pussy. If you're democrat then go fuck a republican in the ass, if you republican then bareback a democrat; take your resentment out there.

We can argue politics anywhere so lets focus on using this site to help each other get laid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlphaTek1;6906390]I'd sit on my wife's left hand for half that.[/QUOTE]I'm quoting your reply from the other section where you offer to get fisted by your wife. That's what its going to take here. Actually sitting on your wife's left hand for them! LOL.

[QUOTE=AlphaTek1;6906324]I get this is the place to debate, but no one is going to change anyone's mind. At all.

We're all on the same team looking for pussy. If you're democrat then go fuck a republican in the ass, if you republican then bareback a democrat; take your resentment out there.

We can argue politics anywhere so lets focus on using this site to help each other get laid.[/QUOTE]I could never vote for COMMUNIST Joe. The only possible way that I might, if I was smoking crack and that will never happen. So let the commie crack heads have him. Commie Joe has been a piece of Shit is whole life and will die a piece of Shit. To prove he is a piece of Shit, is that he shit's himself on a daily basis. Karma got to love it.

[QUOTE=MassageGoer;6904952]I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.[/QUOTE]I recommend getting a refund on that law school. Miranda only applies to custodial interrogation. If you're walking on the street and the cop says "hey, did you kill anyone today?" and you answer "yes, I killed bob and his body is over behind those cans", that entire statement is coming in to evidence, as well as the hidden body you directed them to. If the cop stops you, cuffs you and then says "did you kill anyone today? They have to mirandize you and any statements you make (and evidence obtained from the statements) are subject to being suppressed as violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments if they do not. At least this is what my very expensive attorney has told me.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6906599]I'm quoting your reply from the other section where you offer to get fisted by your wife. That's what its going to take here. Actually sitting on your wife's left hand for them! LOL.[/QUOTE]That got harsh quick. The Stranger? Where you sit on your hand to numb it, or in this case numb my old lady's hand for her to jerk me off.

Go back to arguing, fewer mongers out to compete with.

[QUOTE=YoTooBig;6906625]I could never vote for COMMUNIST Joe. The only possible way that I might, if I was smoking crack and that will never happen. So let the commie crack heads have him. Commie Joe has been a piece of Shit is whole life and will die a piece of Shit. To prove he is a piece of Shit, is that he shit's himself on a daily basis. Karma got to love it.[/QUOTE]Define "communism" and show examples of policies by Joe Biden which match the definition of "communism".

[QUOTE=MassageGoer;6904952]I have quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to this type of scenario. A police officer can ask you simple questions, like name, birthdate, hair color, where you are going / coming room, etc. If an officer asks you something that could potentially get you into trouble, they must read you your rights first. Any information gathered before your rights are given Can be inadmissible in court. Many people do not know this. If they start asking you questions about anything That could get you into trouble, answer them. Once you refuse to answer, you look guilty and they may go ahead and cuff you.

I spent many years working in an attorneys office as well as going to law school.[/QUOTE]What is, do not answer any questions, ever, ever, ever.

[QUOTE=DNut;6906866]Define "communism" and show examples of policies by Joe Biden which match the definition of "communism".[/QUOTE]For starters let's go with his State run COMMUNIST propaganda news Media. It only report's what the Party allows. If you can't figure out the rest then go take another hit off your crack pipe.

[QUOTE=BigSug;6906766]I recommend getting a refund on that law school. Miranda only applies to custodial interrogation. If you're walking on the street and the cop says "hey, did you kill anyone today?" and you answer "yes, I killed bob and his body is over behind those cans", that entire statement is coming in to evidence, as well as the hidden body you directed them to. If the cop stops you, cuffs you and then says "did you kill anyone today? They have to mirandize you and any statements you make (and evidence obtained from the statements) are subject to being suppressed as violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments if they do not. At least this is what my very expensive attorney has told me.[/QUOTE]You are an expert. I have had two encounters with police during fifty years practicing this delightful hobby.

First encounter:

Fifteen years ago, I parked my vehicle outside an AMP. There were two patrol cars parked in the lot. I ascended the outside stairs and knocked. The door opened. Instead of a sexy angel appearing, a young, attractive policewoman asked me, "What do you want here? I told her I came to get a Chinese foot massage. Annoyed, she asked if I had come for sexual solicitation of an employee. Was she allowed to ask this?

I did not answer her question but asked her if she had ever enjoyed Chinese foot massage. I told her the masseuses in this place were famous for their skill and that she should try. Was this a mistake on my part?

The officer appeared perplexed and did not respond. Could she have arrested and charged me at that point?

I excused myself, turned, and walked back down the stairs. Could they have arrested me for leaving?

Second encounter.

About 18 years ago, I picked up a sweet thing on a Florida highway. I drove to her spot for dates. After arriving, she provided a delightful oral massage of my bursting organ and swallowed all of my nectar. After adjusting our clothes, but before I had paid for services, I noticed a patrol car approaching in my rearview mirror. During the minutes before the officer arrived, my new friend told me to tell the police that I knew her as a friend named xx and that we had parked there to chat. The officer, a woman, asked us for I'd. Did we have to provide I'd? I think so. We did.

The officer asked me what we were doing. Should I have refused to answer?

I recited the story that my friend had told me to recite. "I ran into my friend, . On the road, and we stopped here to chat. " Was it a mistake to answer this way?

The officer said something like, "We know that all she does is prostitution, and we saw her head in your lap from the hill over there. " Was she engaging in prostitution? " I don't remember my answer, but it either was explicitly negative or implied that I would never do such a thing. Was this a mistake on my part?

The officer gave us back our I'd and told me to leave. They took my companion into custody. I never heard from her or the police after this.

I was nervous about this for several months after the incident. Would it have been likely that the police would have summoned me to court?

Did the girl's alibi help her or me?

Could you be so kind as to answer these questions?

[QUOTE=DNut;6906866]Define "communism" and show examples of policies by Joe Biden which match the definition of "communism".[/QUOTE]"Communism", among other things, is a system in which wealth is shared and the government owns the means of production. Biden's desires for free education, free healthcare, free cellphones, free housing for migrants, etc, etc could certainly be considered socialistic, if not communistic, because they necessitate taking assets from the people to "share" the wealth. Works real well in Russia, doesn't it?

I thought this was a vagina forum.

No matter what is said here is going to change anything.

Biden is a puppet, someone is whispering in his hear when the tv screen is displaying what he is to say.

Trump needs to just shut the hell up before he speaks and think what about the hell is saying.

Not a fan of either to be honest, but in reality, who should or would be the best in the future? Say 2028.

Surprised Biden had made it this far in life. Let alone a 2nd term ii he was to win and Trump statistically will win in my opinion.

My pick would be Rand Paul if he was to run if you are a D or are, he is a smart man.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;6907030]"Communism", among other things, is a system in which wealth is shared and the government owns the means of production. Biden's desires for free education, free healthcare, free cellphones, free housing for migrants, etc, etc could certainly be considered socialistic, if not communistic, because they necessitate taking assets from the people to "share" the wealth. Works real well in Russia, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]So now he's "socialistic", after you put in all caps that he was a communist. How much googling did you do to try to find something, anything, no matter how tenuous, to indicate Joe Biden was a communist?

Free healthcare, free education, etc. Is not socialistic. It's how a lot of first world democratic economies around the world function. Pay taxes, and the government give you access to stuff; healthcare, education, roads, a common defense, a system of trade, etc.

Care to try again? Cite specific instances where Joe Biden pushed communist ideals or policy. (none of what you mentioned indicates communism, but just government programs that exist in other democracies).

[QUOTE=YoTooBig;6906625]I could never vote for COMMUNIST Joe. The only possible way that I might, if I was smoking crack and that will never happen. So let the commie crack heads have him. Commie Joe has been a piece of Shit is whole life and will die a piece of Shit. To prove he is a piece of Shit, is that he shit's himself on a daily basis. Karma got to love it.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Commie Joe is a piece of Shit. It is definitely Karma that he shits himself. What make it Karma is that he does it in front of they entire world to see. The funny thing too is that when the person changing his diaper her probably blames Trump for putting the Shit in his diaper.

You're telling me that I should get a refund, but yet you said exactly what I said in a different way. Anything that is said prior to be reading your rights Can be thrown out because it was obtained illegally by the police. Hell, they can witness you do something, have all of the evidence right in front of you but if they question you and any confession made before they mirandize you, is a violation of the 6th Amendment. Once the rights have been read, then shut up.

[QUOTE=BigSug;6906766]I recommend getting a refund on that law school. Miranda only applies to custodial interrogation. If you're walking on the street and the cop says "hey, did you kill anyone today?" and you answer "yes, I killed bob and his body is over behind those cans", that entire statement is coming in to evidence, as well as the hidden body you directed them to. If the cop stops you, cuffs you and then says "did you kill anyone today? They have to mirandize you and any statements you make (and evidence obtained from the statements) are subject to being suppressed as violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments if they do not. At least this is what my very expensive attorney has told me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dayann1980;6906025]Take it private or the other tab. I want to know about any good nuru.[/QUOTE]I think I've read enough legal advice on this forum. Move it elsewhere.

On a forum related note, I visited spring spa for the first time this weekend. Saw li li. She was gorgeous and provided a great massage and even better service. I can't wait to see her again. I don't know if she's always working there, but she will definitely keep me coming back.

[QUOTE=DNut;6907066]So now he's "socialistic", after you put in all caps that he was a communist. How much googling did you do to try to find something, anything, no matter how tenuous, to indicate Joe Biden was a communist?

Free healthcare, free education, etc. Is not socialistic. It's how a lot of first world democratic economies around the world function. Pay taxes, and the government give you access to stuff; healthcare, education, roads, a common defense, a system of trade, etc.

Care to try again? Cite specific instances where Joe Biden pushed communist ideals or policy. (none of what you mentioned indicates communism, but just government programs that exist in other democracies).[/QUOTE]It baffles me how anyone could not like where our country is today, as opposed to four years ago. Joe has done a fine job of righting the ship. How many of Trump's own stooges have been convicted of crimes, many by his own DOJ (Manafort, Bannon, Gates, Stone, Flynn, etc.)? How many former advisors tell us that he's a nut and that we should not vote for him? (Bolton, John Kelly, McMaster, Grisham, Esper, Mattis, Ty Cobb, etc.) The willingness of his acolytes to turn a blind eye amazes me. To them, the ends justify the means, even if the ends are not worthy goals to begin with.

It's looking all QSASG. Nl in here, JFC.

(Almost) nobody wants Joe Biden to be President for any reason other than it will keep the Felonious Cheeto out of office. I hear "but what about Biden XYZ Hunters laptop Hillarys emails Pizzagate". Stop. Trump took away my ability to show my dissatisfaction with any of that (at least with my vote) the day he tried a soft coup on live television. Now I have to use my vote to keep the fascist out of office. He's enabled literal nazis, condoned election fraud, and threatened to do whole January 6th thing over again. And if you like paying for pussy (and it's weird that you're here if you don't), Trump should be the last guy you want, not because he's particularly anti-prostitute, but he damn sure won't reign in fundamentalist state governments that are. So sure, if you want the only providers to be the ones desperate enough to risk ridiculous prison sentences or worse, by all means, vote Orange. LOL.

[QUOTE=BarnesMike32;6908395]It baffles me how anyone could not like where our country is today, as opposed to four years ago. Joe has done a fine job of righting the ship. How many of Trump's own stooges have been convicted of crimes, many by his own DOJ (Manafort, Bannon, Gates, Stone, Flynn, etc.)? How many former advisors tell us that he's a nut and that we should not vote for him? (Bolton, John Kelly, McMaster, Grisham, Esper, Mattis, Ty Cobb, etc.) The willingness of his acolytes to turn a blind eye amazes me. To them, the ends justify the means, even if the ends are not worthy goals to begin with.[/QUOTE]I don't normally comment on this stuff but couldn't let this one pass.

BarnesMike32, can you name one specific metric by which the country is better off today than four years ago? Not conjecture or name calling, specific data.

Here are a few ideas for you to get started.

-Immigration, are we better off? Safer? Fewer illegals? Less in the way of drugs in the country?

-Fuel and energy prices? Gas cheaper for you? Is it less to heat and cool your house??

-Interest rates. Are they lower than four years ago? Is housing more affordable??

-Inflation. Are milk and eggs cheaper? Trips to the grocery store less expensive than four years ago?

-Countries at war...World peace... Is the Ukraine better off? Israel better off? The world is experiencing less turmoil? Is the US spending more or less on foreign aid? How many wars was the Trump administration involved in funding?

-Crime. Are cities safer? Criminals are being sent to prison more often? Prosecutors are tough on crime? Things are better in our cities??

-Spending and National debt. Are we spending less? There are fewer giveaways? Paying off other's student loans is something you support?

I am not suggesting Trump prevented or didn't participate in spending etc. He did. What I am asking is how are you, or how is anyone better off today as the result of the policies of this administration.

Have I personally done well? Yes, I have. I've done well since I started a business 30 years ago. Throughout all administrations and in spite of some. But the VAST majority of Americans are worse off in every metric.

I can't think of a single thing that has improved in the last four years.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Russia hasn't been a communist state for while now.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;6907030]"Communism", among other things, is a system in which wealth is shared and the government owns the means of production. Biden's desires for free education, free healthcare, free cellphones, free housing for migrants, etc, etc could certainly be considered socialistic, if not communistic, because they necessitate taking assets from the people to "share" the wealth. Works real well in Russia, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]I don't normally comment on this stuff but couldn't let this one pass.[/QUOTE]Funny, I feel the same way.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]BarnesMike32, can you name one specific metric by which the country is better off today than four years ago? Not conjecture or name calling, specific data.[/QUOTE]I'm not Mike, but I have some answers for you.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]Here are a few ideas for you to get started.

-Immigration, are we better off? Safer? Fewer illegals? Less in the way of drugs in the country?[/QUOTE]This is probably Biden's weakest department, granted, but Trump is also bad in different ways. Making it bloody impossible to seek asylum here isn't the answer.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]-Fuel and energy prices? Gas cheaper for you? Is it less to heat and cool your house??

-Interest rates. Are they lower than four years ago? Is housing more affordable??[/QUOTE]Are you really asking us to compare the Covid economy to what's happening today? Apples and oranges (no pun intended), plus Presidential administrations really don't have a ton of control over energy prices, and they're not supposed to have that much control over interest rates. Also, you know who I don't want in charge of picking the people who do make those choices? The guy who bankrupted multiple casinos and got charged with inflating his net worth for a better rate on the money he was borrowing to keep multiple failing ventures afloat. That's not a choice.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]-Inflation. Are milk and eggs cheaper? Trips to the grocery store less expensive than four years ago?[/QUOTE]No trips to the grocery store are not less expensive than when everyone was on house arrest and scared out of their minds to go to the store in the first place. Also, again, hard to pin down or separate how much of this is due to the whole economy being cracked four years ago, or what Trump did previously. You seem like a smart guy. I'm sure you understand that some economic trends are long enough to cross Presidential administrations.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]-Countries at war...World peace... Is the Ukraine better off? Israel better off? The world is experiencing less turmoil? Is the US spending more or less on foreign aid? How many wars was the Trump administration involved in funding?[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting that Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded under Trump in a second term? I would absolutely love to hear the rationale for that conclusion, given that Trump has more or less volunteered that he wouldn't aid them much, if at all. Blaming Biden for any of this, particularly Ukraine, is a real stretch.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]-Crime. Are cities safer? Criminals are being sent to prison more often? Prosecutors are tough on crime? Things are better in our cities??[/QUOTE]This also has zero to do with the Presidency, come on. Neither of these guys has a measurable effect on crime in either direction. Trump campaigns on it to scare old white people into voting for him, but there hasn't been a statistical dent or increase in crime that we could trace back to a President since Clinton, and suffice it to say, that was not a dent that was particularly ethical. Now, hate crime, on the other hand, might be a different story. I think I could make an argument that Trump has enabled quite a bit of that sort of thing. Reasonable people could probably disagree on that, but if you're asking if I feel safer or less safe now than I felt under Trump, Obama, Clinton, or Bush, the answer is a resounding "no".

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]-Spending and National debt. Are we spending less? There are fewer giveaways? Paying off other's student loans is something you support?

I am not suggesting Trump prevented or didn't participate in spending etc. He did. What I am asking is how are you, or how is anyone better off today as the result of the policies of this administration.[/QUOTE]LOL. Neither party has ever been serious about curbing spending. Stop it. Trump out-deficited everyone that preceded him. The unbalanced tax cuts alone added trillions, and will have a much longer tail than either candidate will live to see, more than likely. "Giveaways": I'm going to need to you to point to the free stuff and tell me how it hurt you or the economy personally. As for student loans, I'm all for canceling as many of those as we can. That interest is a *massive* drag on the consumer economy. Whether its fair or not (though I would argue it is) isn't really the point if we're looking at this as a pair of business owners (and we are).

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;6908586]Have I personally done well? Yes, I have. I've done well since I started a business 30 years ago. Throughout all administrations and in spite of some. But the VAST majority of Americans are worse off in every metric.

I can't think of a single thing that has improved in the last four years.[/QUOTE]Allow me:

Historically low unemployment (debatable whether Biden gets any / all the credit for this, but it is measurably miles better than four years ago).

Historically high rates of health insurance coverage (Trump has threatened to undo this).

We're not quarantined.

The dumbest trade war in recent memory, and arguably ever, is over. (This was ALL Trump).

Stock market is booming (again, not really a President thing, but it is improved over four years ago; recent record closes on the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P).

I'll also add that democracy is still mostly intact, despite the last guys best efforts to undo it. Hope this helps!

[QUOTE=Vilnius;6908641]Funny, I feel the same way.

I'm not Mike, but I have some answers for you.

This is probably Biden's weakest department, granted, but Trump is also bad in different ways. Making it bloody impossible to seek asylum here isn't the answer.

Are you really asking us to compare the Covid economy to what's happening today? Apples and oranges (no pun intended), plus Presidential administrations really don't have a ton of control over energy prices, and they're not supposed to have that much control over interest rates. Also, you know who I don't want in charge of picking the people who do make those choices? The guy who bankrupted multiple casinos and got charged with inflating his net worth for a better rate on the money he was borrowing to keep multiple failing ventures afloat. That's not a choice.

No trips to the grocery store are not less expensive than when everyone was on house arrest and scared out of their minds to go to the store in the first place. Also, again, hard to pin down or separate how much of this is due to the whole economy being cracked four years ago, or what Trump did previously. You seem like a smart guy. I'm sure you understand that some economic trends are long enough to cross Presidential administrations.

Are you suggesting that Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded under Trump in a second term? I would absolutely love to hear the rationale for that conclusion, given that Trump has more or less volunteered that he wouldn't aid them much, if at all. Blaming Biden for any of this, particularly Ukraine, is a real stretch.

This also has zero to do with the Presidency, come on. Neither of these guys has a measurable effect on crime in either direction. Trump campaigns on it to scare old white people into voting for him, but there hasn't been a statistical dent or increase in crime that we could trace back to a President since Clinton, and suffice it to say, that was not a dent that was particularly ethical. Now, hate crime, on the other hand, might be a different story. I think I could make an argument that Trump has enabled quite a bit of that sort of thing. Reasonable people could probably disagree on that, but if you're asking if I feel safer or less safe now than I felt under Trump, Obama, Clinton, or Bush, the answer is a resounding "no".

LOL. Neither party has ever been serious about curbing spending. Stop it. Trump out-deficited everyone that preceded him. The unbalanced tax cuts alone added trillions, and will have a much longer tail than either candidate will live to see, more than likely. "Giveaways": I'm going to need to you to point to the free stuff and tell me how it hurt you or the economy personally. As for student loans, I'm all for canceling as many of those as we can. That interest is a *massive* drag on the consumer economy. Whether its fair or not (though I would argue it is) isn't really the point if we're looking at this as a pair of business owners (and we are).

Allow me:

Historically low unemployment (debatable whether Biden gets any / all the credit for this, but it is measurably miles better than four years ago).

Historically high rates of health insurance coverage (Trump has threatened to undo this).

We're not quarantined.

The dumbest trade war in recent memory, and arguably ever, is over. (This was ALL Trump).

Stock market is booming (again, not really a President thing, but it is improved over four years ago; recent record closes on the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P).

I'll also add that democracy is still mostly intact, despite the last guys best efforts to undo it. Hope this helps![/QUOTE]First the comments about Trump inflating properties etc. , bankruptcy and whatever are debatable, as you and I only know what is reported in the 99.9% liberal media. That has nothing to do with policies his administration employed. You really want to open that can of worms? Biden and his influence peddling? Tens of millions of dollars flowing to the Biden family for no discernable reason other than influence? Again, lets keep it strictly on policy. Please give me specific policies the Biden admin has proposed and adopted that have made this county "better" in any metric.

Okay. I am not comparing the Covid economy to today. Look at the data pre-Covid. Historic job growth, wage growth and low unemployment. Take out 2020-2021. I'm not blaming Biden or Trump for Covid. Compare pre-Covid to a year or two post covid.

Covid is long over. Grocery prices are high in part because of energy prices. See my comment below.

Yes, energy policies of administrations absolutely impact energy pricing. Granted they are also impacted by world events and demand. The Biden admin has been the most restrictive admin as far as domestic energy policy in decades. How is that good for the US consumer? How is that good for US energy independence? What was the price of a barrel of oil in 2019? The US was a net exporter, I. E. -more supply.

Democracy is intact?? What does that mean and what specific policies did the prior administration adopt that restricted democracy?

It has slowly come to light that the Biden administration has closely worked with social media to influence the outcome of the election. Recall the Hunter Biden laptop? Guess what, it was real and it was indeed intentionally suppressed. How is democracy sustained when government actively is involved in disseminating information before it gets to the general public?

How is democracy intact when the press coordinates with the White House as far as what is reported?

This whole premise that somehow Trump was horrible for democracy is so completely absurd I cannot believe its being repeated. He was the president for four years.

Can you name one specific policy the Trump administration enacted or embraced that somehow "limited democracy". Please be specific. No January 6th was not a policy of the Trump administration.

Did we not have a normal transfer of power? Biden took office just as any other president elect in the past, contrary to what the press wants you to beleive.

I absolutely believe the world was more stable under the Trump admin. This isn't a belief, it is a fact. Foreign policy isn't based on one statement a president makes, it is evident in the results an administration has. Facts are pesky things. Did Russia invade while Trump was president? Did Hamas attack Israel while Trump was president? Again, what is, is. The facts are what they are. The world was much safer vs now. No argument to the contrary can be made otherwise.

Let me explain something to you about immigration and our republic and how unchecked immigration is the antithesis of a democracy.

Ever heard of the census? Do you know what determines our house of representatives? 435 members of the house are based on population. Guess where the population data comes from? Census.

Okay, stay with me here. The census counts people. Not citizens. Look it up. So. With the massive influx of illegals, the census numbers are significantly impacted when illegals are counted. This results in the more liberal states gaining seats in the house. California, Illinois, New York. This is by design, its not an accident. The Biden admin and democrats need source of new votes and its coming in the form of illegals who are banking on amnesty- enabling them to vote.

Biden is the defacto head of the democrat party. All over the US democrat prosecutors are responsible for prosecuting crime. No, Biden isn't directly responsible for local prosecutions, but democrats are. Pick any major city in the US and look at who controls the city. Look at crime and education. Again, facts are pesky. Democrat controlled cities are far far worse off in the way of crime and shitty education. Look at Cincinnati. The county commission and City council are all democrats. How's that working out for taxes, crime and the roads? Our city is doomed!

Anyway I have to get back to work.

[QUOTE=DNut;6907066]So now he's "socialistic", after you put in all caps that he was a communist. How much googling did you do to try to find something, anything, no matter how tenuous, to indicate Joe Biden was a communist?

Free healthcare, free education, etc. Is not socialistic. It's how a lot of first world democratic economies around the world function. Pay taxes, and the government give you access to stuff; healthcare, education, roads, a common defense, a system of trade, etc.

Care to try again? Cite specific instances where Joe Biden pushed communist ideals or policy. (none of what you mentioned indicates communism, but just government programs that exist in other democracies).[/QUOTE]D Nut is right. Biden is neither a socialist nor a communist. Like the orange turd, he is controlled by political lobbies and corporations. The US political system is less democratic than the Russian one. What choice do we have?