"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2058191]I agree with you and have always used a disposable card. But just for the heck of it I decided to delete one of my SD4 M accounts (I had 2). I really didn't care if they deleted it immediately. It was a test to see if they would. If after one more month it was not deleted, then I was going to just cancel the card. But they have not billed me and the account is inactive.[/QUOTE]I use a vanilla visa from walgreens. I put the appropriate monthly rate on it and use it. They ask for address, etc. but I put bogus info and they accept it.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2058591]I use a vanilla visa from walgreens. I put the appropriate monthly rate on it and use it. They ask for address, etc. but I put bogus info and they accept it.[/QUOTE]On some of the major online banking sites, they have a feature where you can log in and generate a temporary credit card number. It's great, because you can specify the amount the credit card is worth and the expiration date.

So if some site wants to bill you $15 a month or whatever, just generate a new card number for $20 valid for only two months. That way if they authorize it for $2 ahead of time and then quickly charge $15 thereafter, everything still clears. Then you laugh your way to the (virtual, online) bank when you get these emails about how your credit card is expiring and you can make the decision whether to generate a new one on a month to month basis, or increase the amount and the expiration date based on how the site is treating you... Hehe.

Play the game don't let it play you.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2058705]On some of the major online banking sites, they have a feature where you can log in and generate a temporary credit card number. It's great, because you can specify the amount the credit card is worth and the expiration date.

So if some site wants to bill you $15 a month or whatever, just generate a new card number for $20 valid for only two months. That way if they authorize it for $2 ahead of time and then quickly charge $15 thereafter, everything still clears. Then you laugh your way to the (virtual, online) bank when you get these emails about how your credit card is expiring and you can make the decision whether to generate a new one on a month to month basis, or increase the amount and the expiration date based on how the site is treating you... Hehe.

Play the game don't let it play you.[/QUOTE]Usually when you cancel at sd4 m they eventually offer you a free month to come back. I may or may not do it. But it is interesting to have 2 totally different profiles. It gives you a little more insight into the girls.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2058728]Usually when you cancel at sd4 m they eventually offer you a free month to come back. I may or may not do it. But it is interesting to have 2 totally different profiles. It gives you a little more insight into the girls.[/QUOTE]I can see how having two different profiles can produce good benefits, and to be honest in LA I don't see how you keep up with the pussy under one profile and one site! LOL.

As I am trying to run and hide (back to "focus on girlfriend" season for now, at least until she travels again), I got a hit from someone who is the type I've been looking for all along, yet couldn't find. Close enough for day meetings but not too far away, physically and demographically spot on. So I how did I miss her? Well as it turns out I set up a bunch of saved searches and filters, got into the zone where I relied on them to bring the pussy to me and forgot to stay on top of it all during the brief window of opportunity I had to hunt. Lesson learned... These websites are designed to take our money, not necessarily designed to optimize our pussy hunt. The onus is on us (see the pun there? Yes I just said that) to continually refine our game (and thus our search). I'm used to some of the other dating sites, not so much with the SD sites so after I realized I had an entire month to find pussy, I felt like a dumbass once I realized I need to play the search engines better. I probably could have met and banged a dozen high quality SBs during the first couple of weeks of March rather than only 3-4 if I had only spent more time learning to use the technology effectively.

But for what it's worth, the dream girl I mentioned above I'm trying to set up in e-mail for ongoing communication even after I let my profiles expire. She says she's never had an SD before. I'm already fantasizing about all the places daddy wants to taker her.

How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]Actually a pro is less likely to have a paid membership. But its all in the marketing and SD4 M does a pretty good job of creating a false sense of urgency to get the girls to pay for a gold membership.

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]I probably wouldn't hold it against the girl unless you have other reasons to, but IMO that's an extremely bad idea for the site to attract women (which is what attracts paying men). They should rethink that as a business strategy. The whole reason SBs are there is (in theory) because they need help with finances. I don't know if SD4 ME shows them as verified college student, but on SA they have to have a valid. Edu email address to be marked as a college babe, which would be fairly tricky to do if they weren't in school (or had been recently).

As far as identifying pros (escorts posing as SBs), that might be a worthwhile discussion in itself.

Based on my own observations, some possible signs she's a pro:

(a) starts calling you sweetie right away.

(b) gives up a phone number a little too quickly, which you can search and see if you can find escort history on it. This one is tricky because lots of legit SBs give out their number right away just because texting is quicker, so a fast phone number doesn't necessarily mean she's a pro, but in can be something to factor in if you see other red flags.

(c) seems indifferent about your appearance (for example, posts "looks not important" in her profile, or doesn't ask if your pics are real and recent, etc). A real SB is going to care how you look even if she is a lot less picky or more open minded than her civvy equivalent. An escort might exclude or express preference for certain races or whatever but generally won't care how you look.

(d) seems a little too sexual or flirty in her post... Again this one can be meaningless because some of them will write about how they love sex and want to play, etc. And they really mean exactly that (god bless those types!

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]Many paid members are Pros IMHO. One in particular in my area off SDFM is drop dead gorgeous and gave her # up Quickly. SHe then told me I had to call her scheduler to prepay before she would meet me. Um, no thanks.

I only use SD4 M. In my demographic at least a third of the girls are pros or UTR.

1. location. Known pro neighborhoods.

2. pics are TGTBT. The pics are real. But these are girls that get hit up non stop in the civi world to accept cash and don't really need an SD site to find it.

3. if you see them online everyday and for 12 hours a day.

4. you see they are constantly logging in and out all day to get to the top of the listing. Also the exact opposite, they never log off.

5. they immediately start negotiating price

6. In L.A. The pro buzzword is "hun".

7. Shorter than average profiles. May talk about sex in a very explicit way.

8. once they get your number they txt excessively about meeting not getting to know you. And may txt periodically if you ignore them.

9. they txt early in the day before noon.

10. They are online on Friday at sat nites.

11. They send you nude pics without being prompted.

12. They start out sweet but if you don't agree to meet asap they start to get nasty. A non pro would just ignore you if she thought you weren't interested.

13. They ask if you are with law enforcement. LOL.

New pro-file from this morning. She lives in a known pro / utr area. Decent looking. Not making my $ offer as I am trying to take a break from meeting new utr's for the moment. Specially if they are 30 minutes or more away.

About Me:

Fun, outgoing, sexual, flirtatious, soft, kind, loving, Funny, patient, money, affection.

What I'm Looking For.

You show me a good time & ill do the same.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2060102]

6. In L.A. The pro buzzword is "hun".

[/QUOTE]I mentioned "sweetie", but I see "hun" sometimes too, also "baby", although sometimes these are said legitimately (especially baby) after dating for a while, even by civvys that are far removed from the pro scene.

What's funny about it, is that aside from the sugar scene, the only other place I hear that (early in the meeting stage I mean) is from female workers in jobs involving high-volume people interaction (for example a gas station clerk, fast food order taker, waitress, etc), so I immediately associate it with high volume spreading of the legs when I hear it in the sugarbaby context. Since I find quite a few SBs that have waitress / bartender type jobs, I suppose it's possible that they forget they aren't at work sometimes and use it by mistake, but I doubt that occurs in e-mail or text very often, as they would likely backspace and correct it if they aren't pros.

Hello... I've been a long-time lurker here, but I've been in the bowl off and on for about three years.

Talking about identifying potential SBs who are really pros reminded me of my first long-term SB. I contacted her off of SD4 me, and we initially started talking about regular things. When the conversation turned to money, I told her what I was willing to pay. She replied by asking "for how long? Then she told me that she usually received a slightly larger amount for two hours. I should've realized at the time that it was a sign of a professional mentality, whether she was actually a pro or not. But we met at the amount I offered her, and she was a 10 in looks, and an 8 in the bedroom only because she didn't do the whole range of activities in the beginning. She didn't act like a pro at all, just a normal 19 year old who needed some extra money to pay for things her parents weren't helping her out with.

Anyway, after a few months, she was noticeably going downhill. Every time I would see her, she had some story about her living situation or some other drama. She also started calling me to ask for help paying some random bill, as if it were an emergency. Almost every time, I made sure I got something from her in return though. Some of her stories were really weird but plausible, and a couple of times I was able to verify them from publicly available information. But I could tell there was something more than what she was telling me, too, and I was never able to trust her more than what she had in front of me.

Then one day, I was browsing backpage and saw a picture of a girl that looked like her. I checked the number, and it was an old number that she had given me that she supposedly wasn't using anymore. After searching the numbers I had and the pictures some more, it turns out that she had been posting ads on there for several months. All of the previous ones were using fake pictures and a different age (older than what she actually was) -- that ad I saw was the first one using her real pics. So I confronted her about it the next time I saw her, and she first pretended not to know what I was talking about, then she said she wasn't really seeing anybody from there. Uh huh. We saw each other a couple of more times, but there was so much drama, she was becoming super flaky, she was letting herself go in so many ways, and it was more of a burden to deal with her with minimal fun. That was the end of her for me.

The last time I saw her, she had a flat tire that she didn't get fixed for whatever reason, so she was using a portable air compressor to fill it when it got low. Well, she was trying to do this in my driveway at 11:00 pm, and I had to tell her to stop before she woke the neighbors. I made her go to a shopping center down the street to do it. She moved to Florida to live with other family members shortly after the last time I saw her, and I know she's been on backpage occasionally down there since then. She's also been arrested a few times too, including for drug possession. Not surprising at all.

[QUOTE=Johnny5;2061573]Hello... I've been a long-time lurker here, but I've been in the bowl off and on for about three years.

The last time I saw her, she had a flat tire that she didn't get fixed for whatever reason, so she was using a portable air compressor to fill it when it got low. Well, she was trying to do this in my driveway at 11:00 pm, and I had to tell her to stop before she woke the neighbors. I made her go to a shopping center down the street to do it. She moved to Florida to live with other family members shortly after the last time I saw her, and I know she's been on backpage occasionally down there since then. She's also been arrested a few times too, including for drug possession. Not surprising at all.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the posting department Johnny. Tell us about what you have going on at present. We all live vicariously and learn from each brother's success and failure.

If you have read the entire thread you will recognize your early SB as a classic Nando 1 . It is too bad that these girls spiral down the rabbit hole. Hopefully some of them recover and become productive and happy citizens. Many stay mired in the pursuit of a free ride and never recover. They can only ride on their looks and sex appeal for so long before father time catches up with them.

[QUOTE=Johnny5;2061573]

Talking about identifying potential SBs
.[/QUOTE]Friends & brothers.

I am back to see if I can fin new SB. Was out of the game for past 6 month or so. Well...first few hits and getting msgs like.

"hey there, I'm interested in spending some nights with you in a hotel room with strawberries and champagne. We can be naughty, after all your my daddy.

My allowance for the first "playtime" will be $.

Email if interested".

WOW..sounds pros all over. I have seen Richmond is drying up or may be SBs are either pro or not much into the game.

In my last report, I was dismissing my sub SB and was beginning the seemingly endless quest to find the next girl for my arrangement. I am extremely picky, so it takes me a long while to find the right one. In no particular order, here are some of the girls I have (or have not) met with these past couple weeks. Some girls came from SA, some came from CL:

*HCB POT: Met with her for a M&G, and she was super cute, girl next door look that I crave. We seemed to hit it off really well and we both agreed to see each other again and she said she'd text me her schedule. I never heard from her, so I sent her a nice text asking if she was still interested. Her iMessage showed that she read it, but she never replied back. I figured she changed her mind or whatever, so I let her know through a nice message on SA that I enjoyed meeting with her and that if she would like to meet up again, just let me know. I really liked her and wished things had progressed beyond a M&G with her.

*Masseuse POT: Had an alt chick who does massage therapy contact me, who was really interested in my offer. Our first M&G actually consisted of me going to the legit spa she works out of and having her giving me really, really good Swedish massage, with some extra wandering of her hands. The best M&G I have had yet, by far. We met a few days later for a FC date, but she wasn't just submissive (as she knew I wanted her to be), she was passive. She just laid there and didn't do much of anything. I have ED issues already, and her not doing anything to help killed it for me. Little FotoGuy barely got erect. I gave her a generous gift and have been back in to see her for another massage since then, but this one was way less sensual than the previous one. I still plan on getting massages from her on a regular basis because she's really good at it, but I don't see us having another FC date.

*Flaky POT: A girl who lives a half-hour away was interested in my offer, so I drove out there to pick her up as she got out of work. As I pull in the parking lot, she texts me saying she needs to go home and shower. I ask her if I'm waiting here or how are we working this? After long pauses and brief texts, she tells me she's already home and she'll be ready in another 3 hours! I promptly drive the 30 minutes back home, during which she is texting me saying she's sorry and would like to see me on her day off. I accept her apology and we make plans again, but this time I'm telling myself that I will not be making the drive back out there unless she texts me first on the day of to confirm. Sure enough, she goes radio silent and I didn't have to make the drive back out there only to be potentially stood up by her again.

*Nerd POT: Met a girl on SA who lived 90+ minutes away and we had a genuine, true connection. Similar tastes and interests. We didn't discuss any arrangement for a few days, we just chatted like new friends who had a lot in common and we made plans to meet on the weekend, just under a week away. A few days before the meet, she texts me and asks for details on what kind of arrangement I would offer her. I cite the long distance between us and that it would affect how often we would be able to meet, but I genuinely like her so I give her a generous offer. She seems very appreciative and indicates that that will work. The next day, she's not responding to my texts and I then see she is blocking me on SA and FB. I still have no idea what her problem was, but at least she pulled that shit before I drove 3 hours for a M&G.

*Sporadic texts POT: A girl trying to go to college and support herself with part-time work contacted me and seemed very interested in offer. Over the next week, communication was VERY sporadic. Then earlier today she contacts me and is looking to set up a dinner date for middle of this week, as she is in another state getting some medical treatment. She then asks me for a favor, she needs immediate financial assistance to stay in the hotel room she's been in. She promises to repay me, sends me some nudie pics as collateral. At first I'm going to do it, because she's not asking for much. Then I realize she has no idea what I look like or even how old I am. I have absolutely zero guarantee that she'll pay me back at all, let alone in the way I'd like her to pay me back, because neither her nor I know if she is sexually attracted to me at all. So I tell her no, I'm not advancing money to someone I haven't even met yet. She didn't like that and I haven't heard back from her yet, and I'd be surprised if I hear back from her at all, let alone have a M&G with her this week like we discussed.

*College POT: Nice enough girl, met for dinner. She assured me in texts that the arrangement would be mutually beneficial, but there has been no discussion at all of specifics. We are planning on meeting up later this week, but no discussion of what kind of a date we're having. She's really attractive and I like her, but I have no idea where this particular relationship is going.

I'm currently planning a trip to the Windy City over my upcoming 3-day weekend, so I've been vigorously trying to find some attractive girls to keep me company while I'm there. If that happens, I will bring back a report.