Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Bocintibean; 1743432]I am not sure about everybody else out here But, I am getting real tired of The BS on this site. We have providers bad mouthing providers and now we a have regular members doing it. If you had a bad visit with a provider say that in your review. On the other hand if your visit with the provider was good say that to But why are we talking about other providers in your review of what was supposed to be a review of the young lady you seen. Don, t they have a place for that here. I think they do But keep it out of the reviews I do not want to read all the BS. I know a couple of good providers that have all ready stopped posting on this site because of it.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with what you had to say. I have heard so much of providers talking about other ones. Another provider can not ruin another providers sessions or money. What ruins it is the attitudes and drama providers give off to clients. A persons demeanor can say a lot on a person. I've had people contact me wanting me involved on Ally and quite frankly IMHO Ally has never been out the way to me or rude I have no involvement to bash her. Even if a provider was bash me just means I'm doing something right for them to be on hating games. I agree though the bs drama should post in the rants and raves. I wish all providers and clients well in the hobby and to each their own.

[QUOTE=Willow1535;1744122]If he saw you or not is between the two of you. I don't know what his motivation would be to slander you or what can be gained by doing so, but if it isn't true it shouldn't be an issue. Again, your positive reviews speak for themselves.[/QUOTE]I would respectfully disagree with that as well. I don't know if its fair to expect a provider to stand idly by when a fake review is posted. Now, obviously no one wants a ten-post back and forth debating the truth of the statement, but I think its fair for a provider to say "hey, this is simply not true".

Also, I can think of several different motivations for posting a fake review, and I think we all could if we were pressed on the issue LOL. Again, obviously I can't verify the post in question, just speaking in general terms.

[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1743841]It would be all well good IF he had seen me, but he hasn't. And I thought this section was for "reviews".

[blue]I moved the post here, it was in a review thread. [/blue][/QUOTE]Ms. Ally, We certainly did meet. It was at the SpringHill Suites. You wore blue jeans and a Hustler top. As I walked into the room you warned me you had a small clit and would not be getting off. You said you had only got off once or twice. You offered me the hot tub and then we had a conversation of which you said several negative things about other providers. You offered me your PSE blowjob at the corner of the bed. Call it what you want but you didn't have your A game. There was no chemistry and I will not return. I don't understand why you're claiming to having not met me. It is what it is.

It is definitely not okay to post a review of a provider without seeing them. He made the comment indicating that he did see her. She says otherwise. I will leave that up to them to figure out. My point was simple. All he did was share his opinion. He is entitled to that and should not be "attacked" or questioned if his opinion differs from someone else. You know what they say about opinions.

[QUOTE=Cintixtreme; 1744231]Will. Everything you said about letting positive reviews speak for themselves is right on target. Where I disagree with you is this "if he saw you or not" comment.

Not trying to speak for Willow, but I kind of took the comment not as its ok to post a review without seeing a provider so much as a he said he saw you, you say he didn't, I'm not going to get into the middle of or address that he said / she said argument. And I am not wading into that either, before either party accuses me of calling them a liar, etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vilnius;1744460]but I think its fair for a provider to say "hey, this is simply not true".[/QUOTE]Any review model has to allow for false negative reviews. In a crowd sourcing situation, such as this forum, most members are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. It's all about the average and our melons keep track of that pretty good.

If a provider is really knocking the sox off of her clients then the VAST majority of her reviews are going to be positive, there will be the occasional "warm" not "hot" one to cover her off days. When a provider such as this gets a really bad review, I tend to think it's because the guy has an agenda. Maybe he showed up and the funk was bad and took issue with being asked to take a shower, or maybe he wanted something the provider doesn't offer, who knows but when there is a rouge review there is usually a reason.

If the provider responds, it actually lends weight to the rogue review. She is expected to not be objective so our minds automatically discount what she says and give that imbalance to her detractor. It's not something we think about it's something we do. If on the other hand her customers speak up, they get double weight. We all know that people don't get off the couch and do shit without motivation. If somebody is willing to take the time and effort to speak up on behalf of a service provider, well then that means something.

At the end of the day neither the forum nor the providers win by responding. They almost always come off as kind of naggy and who wants to hear that from a chick you're thinking about seeing, and the simple act of quoting and responding EXTENDS the argument, they are literally reprinting the negative review for anybody who missed it the first time. For the forum, as you can see below, every review thread would be full of he said, she said every time there was a negative review. As you can see below it wouldn't even stop at he said, she said, it goes on and on and on.

Then my inbox fills up with her saying he slandered her, then him saying she is threatening him, then demands for posts to be taking down or they are going to sue us. (Side note, good like finding a lawyer versed in Bangladeshi AND Argentine law)

So no, it's never a good idea to defend yourself. It won't do any good and I'm just going to throw the "Completely Pointless Drama" flag because as we all know.

[quote]The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.[/quote]For MEN to talk about WOMEN. We have never hid this, it's always been our policy. For men, to talk about women.

As men hanging out in a bar talking about women, when one talks smack about a girl they all know and another guy defends her. I take it with a grain of salt thinking "yeah, but she's probably blowing him".

As men hang out here, when one talks smack about a girl they all know and another guy defends her. I don't know what to think other than "yeah, I KNOW she's blowing him".

Seems to me that almost all the usual rules of life change when there's a good BBBJ involved so it doesn't surprise me that rules of crowd sourcing are also a little different. I forget if it was Frued or Darwin who said "Man is at his dumbest when trying to make decisions while thinking about his dick in a woman's mouth". (I think that was their direct quote). It's this fundamental law of human nature that must make moderating this forum a crazy-maker. It's got to be different than moderating a forum about kitchen appliances or lawn services, eh?

I asked Sumon Fernandez, my Bangledeshi-Argintinian lawyer, if he thought we had found the outer edges of The Octogon with this topic. His advice, which I thought was worth passing along was "Who the f*ck cares, get your sorry ass back to finding a woman's mouth for your dick". I thought "hmmmm. Good point. Besides A2 used black type so we're not officially in trouble (yet)."

Have a great day.

Dz.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1745015]Then my inbox fills up with her saying he slandered her, then him saying she is threatening him, then demands for posts to be taking down or they are going to sue us. (Side note, good like finding a lawyer versed in Bangladeshi AND Argentine law)

So no, it's never a good idea to defend yourself. It won't do any good and I'm just going to throw the "Completely Pointless Drama" flag because as we all know.

For MEN to talk about WOMEN. We have never hid this, it's always been our policy. For men, to talk about women.[/QUOTE]

Yep, what Silk said.

It makes one come across as pathetic and needy. Lower your rate if you aren't getting business, don't be pathetic and harass guys with all of the unwanted pms, texts, etc telling them that you are available and where you are. It is NOT a practice a provider should be doing. DISCRETION is upmost important to some of these men. By sending the pathetic texts and pms telling a guy where you are and to come see you, is not being discrete.

Guys need to quit being scared and post the name of such providers who do this. I bet that would put a stop to that stuff real quick! LOL.

Of course, the white knights would jump on board and call the men liars.

I have about had it with this site due to this issue. Some aren't being honest about what is going on simply because they are too scared of the provider black listing them and making up lies. And then you have to throw in the provider's white knights who butt in when they have no business doing so.

I make note of those guys and I do not schedule with them should they contact me.

Calling a man who is being honest a liar, just because the provider tells you something, is not cool.

For instance: I know for a fact that pittstop1 is not a liar and did in fact see SD. He told me about their appointment, only because she decided to talk smack about me, Eating crayons, Sasha and Jasmine (but what's new?). Why she is saying that he did not see her is beyond me. From what I heard, he could have posted a longer review stating exactly what happened, what was said, etc during their appointment. He was mild compared to how the review could have been.

Ally needs to explain why she feels the need to call him a liar and why she is denying meeting with him.

But.

I've come to realize that some people just aren't wired right.

All the best,

Dawn.

[QUOTE=SilkyWet;1743766]Its not even the SW thats become a problem its these pushy over rated and overhyped provider that thinks everyone actually cares where when and what they are doing at all time of the day. If a hobbyist really wants to see you then they will take the time and effort to make contact not the other way around also if they werent charging an arm leg and organ people would make the effort thats just my opinion though its a buyers market and people arent going to pay for great quality at big city prices when they can save in the big city and have their world rockedi won't apologize for offending anyone because their will always be someone unhappy just my two cents[/QUOTE]

[quote=dweezil;1745044]besides a2 used black type so we're not officially in trouble (yet)."[/quote][blue]just as in the other octagon there are some rules but less than the other threads. no talking about **** stuff, no direct threats, no exposing personally identifying information, no racial stuff, all those kinds of rules still apply. what i have relaxed here are the argumentative rules, as far as i'm concerned you guys can argue to death in here. personally (maybe i need a light blue ink for semi official posts) i would enjoy reading elevated reasoned arguments but if "you're a fucking asshole" is all you got, go for it.

flame on,

a2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1745015]Any review model has to allow for false negative reviews. In a crowd sourcing situation, such as this forum, most members are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. It's all about the average and our melons keep track of that pretty good.

If a provider is really knocking the sox off of her clients then the VAST majority of her reviews are going to be positive, there will be the occasional "warm" not "hot" one to cover her off days. When a provider such as this gets a really bad review, I tend to think it's because the guy has an agenda. Maybe he showed up and the funk was bad and took issue with being asked to take a shower, or maybe he wanted something the provider doesn't offer, who knows but when there is a rouge review there is usually a reason.

If the provider responds, it actually lends weight to the rogue review. She is expected to not be objective so our minds automatically discount what she says and give that imbalance to her detractor. It's not something we think about it's something we do. If on the other hand her customers speak up, they get double weight. We all know that people don't get off the couch and do shit without motivation. If somebody is willing to take the time and effort to speak up on behalf of a service provider, well then that means something.

At the end of the day neither the forum nor the providers win by responding. They almost always come off as kind of naggy and who wants to hear that from a chick you're thinking about seeing, and the simple act of quoting and responding EXTENDS the argument, they are literally reprinting the negative review for anybody who missed it the first time. For the forum, as you can see below, every review thread would be full of he said, she said every time there was a negative review. As you can see below it wouldn't even stop at he said, she said, it goes on and on and on.

Then my inbox fills up with her saying he slandered her, then him saying she is threatening him, then demands for posts to be taking down or they are going to sue us. (Side note, good like finding a lawyer versed in Bangladeshi AND Argentine law)

So no, it's never a good idea to defend yourself. It won't do any good and I'm just going to throw the "Completely Pointless Drama" flag because as we all know.

For MEN to talk about WOMEN. We have never hid this, it's always been our policy. For men, to talk about women.[/QUOTE]Point well taken given what has transpired below.

[QUOTE=Dweezil;1745044]As men hanging out in a bar talking about women, when one talks smack about a girl they all know and another guy defends her. I take it with a grain of salt thinking "yeah, but she's probably blowing him".[/QUOTE]DZ, if I'm going to go to the trouble and suffer the inevitable blowing up of my inbox for defending a chick that I think got an unjustified bad report you can damn sure count on two things. 1. Yes she's blowing me, and 2. She's doing it really, really, really fucking well. I'm a lucky man and live in a town where there are literally more class A providers than a man could do in a lifetime and we have the same issue on our board. I am at times moved to defend, but only for women like the character "Sunshine" in the movie "Harlem Nights."

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqG75UhN6yo[/url] (If the link doesn't work, google "sunshine harlem nights")

And I will never, EVER do it because the lady in question tells me to. I'm always nice to great providers, but my johnson is never a handle I'm lead around with. The ENTIRE idea of this hobby is drama free sex and I refuse to turn it into work. Well except for the work I do here.

Just mis dos centavos.