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[QUOTE=Docd62;1251087]I wouldn't worry much about the list. There is nothing they can arrest you on with just a list. That being said doesn't mean the LEO won't use the list as a way to get people to help the charges on others (the girls and owners). I see them maybe contacting some of the people on the list and try to make them feel that they could be in trouble or try to embarrass you into helping. So the best thing I'd to deny deny deny then deny again and refuse to help.[/QUOTE]Long-time lurker, first time poster.

I guess my question is this: couldn't they get a "list" with any bust? All they would have to do is look the place's phone records. Obviously they wouldn't have names accompanying those numbers, but they would still have a list of calls coming in. No?

[QUOTE=Crunkshaft; 1251853]Long-time lurker, first time poster.

I guess my question is this: couldn't they get a "list" with any bust? All they would have to do is look the place's phone records. Obviously they wouldn't have names accompanying those numbers, but they would still have a list of calls coming in. No?[/QUOTE]NO! They cannot look at anyone's phone records, even in a bust. And yes, I am 100% positive on that, without question. Even if a girl went missing, they STILL cannot see phone records. The mobile companies and phone companies will NOT release that information to the police unless it is a murder case (which is a crime and makes a difference here). And even if they COULD, which they can't, it means NOTHING. So you called a girl many times? So what? Maybe she is in your math class at U of L. Or maybe she is your cousin or your sister, your daughter, etc. You seriously think they are going to look at phone records and investigate every single number and then WHY it was called. Damn, that would be a lot of bullshit to sift through. YOu don't even know if the number is coming from a male or a female or the age of the caller or if it her kid. Besides calling someone (even if she is a prostitute) isn't illegal and doesn't mean you did anything or ever visted her. Don't be a retard!

[QUOTE=Jim True Blue;1251977]NO! They cannot look at anyone's phone records, even in a bust. And yes, I am 100% positive on that, without question. Even if a girl went missing, they STILL cannot see phone records. The mobile companies and phone companies will NOT release that information to the police unless it is a murder case (which is a crime and makes a difference here). And even if they COULD, which they can't, it means NOTHING. So you called a girl many times? So what? Maybe she is in your math class at U of L. Or maybe she is your cousin or your sister, your daughter, etc. You seriously think they are going to look at phone records and investigate every single number and then WHY it was called. Damn, that would be a lot of bullshit to sift through. YOu don't even know if the number is coming from a male or a female or the age of the caller or if it her kid. Besides calling someone (even if she is a prostitute) isn't illegal and doesn't mean you did anything or ever visted her. Don't be a retard![/QUOTE]Response appreciated.

Other thoughts on said "list": seems like the investigation of any KY-area code #'s would be fairly low yield. Any info potentially-incriminating to a provider could almost certainly be dismissed as hearsay. And even if a dumbshit was stupid enough to talk and self-incriminate, authorities would still be faced with extradition / state-lines / etc sorts of obstacles. No?

[QUOTE=Jim True Blue;1251977]NO! They cannot look at anyone's phone records, even in a bust. And yes, I am 100% positive on that, without question. Even if a girl went missing, they STILL cannot see phone records. The mobile companies and phone companies will NOT release that information to the police unless it is a murder case (which is a crime and makes a difference here). And even if they COULD, which they can't, it means NOTHING. So you called a girl many times? So what? Maybe she is in your math class at U of L. Or maybe she is your cousin or your sister, your daughter, etc. You seriously think they are going to look at phone records and investigate every single number and then WHY it was called. Damn, that would be a lot of bullshit to sift through. YOu don't even know if the number is coming from a male or a female or the age of the caller or if it her kid. Besides calling someone (even if she is a prostitute) isn't illegal and doesn't mean you did anything or ever visted her. Don't be a retard![/QUOTE]I am not sure where or how you know this. My experience has been that law enforcement can request whatever they want, but these requests have to have a judge's signature on them (subpoena). In fact, the phone companies have dedicated groups to handle the volume of requests that come in from law enforcement. This can range from call history, to GPS locations, IP addresses as well as text messages (shelf life varies amongst companies) , and murder isn't a pre-req.

But in this scenario (1501). Yeah, doesn't prove anything.

The news said the LEO were going to contact all of those on the list. Anyone here has been contacted by LEO yet?

[QUOTE=Jamesn;1252574]The news said the LEO were going to contact all of those on the list. Anyone here has been contacted by LEO yet?[/QUOTE]Yeah. They're contacting everyone on the list for jury duty. LOL

Sweet Spa wasn't that sweet. Stopped by about a week ago. Didn't even know it was there. Stopped on way to Sunny, saw mamasan and one good-looking girl there. Went on to Sunny's, but they had just closed. Went back to Sweet, paid my 40 for half-hour and asked for the other girl. Well, I never got the other girl. Was stuck with the mamasan the whole time. Won't be back.

Leo doest have anything but first names and phone numbers, no other details, they are using misinformation to cause panic in the hobby. Judging by the keystrokes used on the subject, I would say its working. Feel free to pm me for details. But guys RELAX teally.

[QUOTE=Slick Dick;1252720]Sweet Spa wasn't that sweet. Stopped by about a week ago. Didn't even know it was there. Stopped on way to Sunny, saw mamasan and one good-looking girl there. Went on to Sunny's, but they had just closed. Went back to Sweet, paid my 40 for half-hour and asked for the other girl. Well, I never got the other girl. Was stuck with the mamasan the whole time. Won't be back.[/QUOTE]Try going back earlier. Why is it that a lot of guys wait until just before closing time to get a massage? I have seen 3 to 4 guys arrive at an establishment at one minute until closing time wanting the two girls working to take care of all of them, each for an hour. The girls don't get paid for over time. If you wait too long, you might get stuck with mamasan, and you deserve it for being a D. A.

[QUOTE=Docd62;1251087]I wouldn't worry much about the list. There is nothing they can arrest you on with just a list. That being said doesn't mean the LEO won't use the list as a way to get people to help the charges on others (the girls and owners). I see them maybe contacting some of the people on the list and try to make them feel that they could be in trouble or try to embarrass you into helping. So the best thing I'd to deny deny deny then deny again and refuse to help.[/QUOTE]The client list they are referring to with phone numbers and names aren't what anyone should be concerned about. However, they did keep records of each client, all the dates and types of sessions and time the client visited, and which girl or provider they saw on that date. They do have the records of all that which can easily be compared with the list of phone numbers and names. There are no records though that state, show, or prove that anyone committed any crime of solicitation during those appointments because there was no record stating Johnny received a blow job by Jane and paid X amount during session. So in reality there's nothing anyone should be worried about. The only people they may try to call or question are those who went an extremely large amount of times, and on reality, all that is really being accomplished in this situation is shutting down a business that may have been promoting illegal activities. The LEO is not concerned with the people who went there as clients cause they can't really prove which ones were guilty of solicitation from those who went there for legitimate reasons. No one needs to be concerned with this and we can all go on about our business carefully and responsibly. Pm me if you have any questions, my inside source is reliable and has told me enough to set my mind at ease. Hopefully I've done the same for any of you reading this post.

[QUOTE=Jeffredee;1252726]Leo doest have anything but first names and phone numbers, no other details, they are using misinformation to cause panic in the hobby. Judging by the keystrokes used on the subject, I would say its working. Feel free to pm me for details. But guys RELAX teally.[/QUOTE]You are exactly right. LEO is not going to waste their time, money, effort, other resources, etc. to investigate several names on a list. Even if they called each number, whose to say that they will be talking to the exact person that called 1501? The monger who called may have used a friend's phone and more than likely a fake name. Things like this would present a difficult and tedious task for the LEO. So, if they did investigate every name on the list, it could literally take several months to do so. Not likely this will happen. Also, the girls who got busted will probably only be charged with misdemeanors unless they have been busted several times for the same crime. I believe that the people who will pay the most will be the owners. They are the head (s) of the business with the most to lose. Jeffredee and Jim True Blue seem to have the right ideas: relax and let this situation fade away then continue with business as usual.

[QUOTE=Strip Junkie;1252756]Try going back earlier. Why is it that a lot of guys wait until just before closing time to get a massage? I have seen 3 to 4 guys arrive at an establishment at one minute until closing time wanting the two girls working to take care of all of them, each for an hour. The girls don't get paid for over time. If you wait too long, you might get stuck with mamasan, and you deserve it for being a D. A.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to make an issue of your post, Strip Junkie, because the last thing I like to read on here when I'm looking for good info is two guys having an Internet pissing match.

I'll just say that I usually go earlier, but this time I was there later than normal. However, Sweet closes at 11:00, and I went in about 9:40 for a half-hour. So it wasn't closing time.

[QUOTE=Rye Guy1800;1252997]You are exactly right. LEO is not going to waste their time, money, effort, other resources, etc. to investigate several names on a list. Even if they called each number, whose to say that they will be talking to the exact person that called 1501? .[R]elax and let this situation fade away then continue with business as usual.[/QUOTE]That would be good advice if this were simply a question of prostitution. It's not, of course. The client lists and provider account information (which clients used which girls for which services) will be reviewed and identifiable clients contacted as part of larger investigations into both violations of the federal tax revenue codes and potentially the.

[url:"http://law.jrank.org/pages/8420/Mann-Act.html"]Mann Act[/url]

The adage "follow the money" gives you some idea where these investigations (state and federal) will head.

The telephone numbers themselves are not persuasive as evidence. LEO will build a matrix comparing and contrasting 1) length of calls. 2) frequency of calls, and 3) corresponding entries on client account registers (which were also confiscated during the Jeffersonville raid.) Recall that all the calls, certainly the ones of a duration that a jury might see as an unlikely "wrong number" mis-dial, we made to an establishment which was itself unlawful (at least the locations in Louisville. All calls went to the same central number (s) irrespective of the location of the provider.)

The fact and duration of the call to an unlawful business is itself prima facie evidence of likely criminal conduct. If you understand how evidence is compiled in criminal cases, you'll understand how the fact of the calls will be presented, in context, to a jury. It's never whether one piece of evidence can prove something. It is whether a collection of pieces create a picture of why "likely" happened. Juries decide based on that they "believe" happened, not what they know for a fact happened.

Relating these phone calls to the client service registers confiscated by law enforcement is the key for the prosecution and the real risk to anyone not using burn phones and aliases. Forensic accountants will begin pouring through those records very soon, you may rely on it.

Once the framework for linking particular girls with entries on the client registers is built, the government will begin to apply pressure on the girls and the owners / operators of the business to identify clients. This is necessary in order to prove that the money was received by the business for unlawful conduct (whatever the nature of that unlawful conduct.) If there were any video or digital recordings made as part of the business practice, these will be compared with call times and register entries. You begin seeing particular clients identified by girls seeking to avoid jail time, or by those running the business to avoid prison time and staggering federal and state monetary fines and penalties. This has happened before, and is standard practice in large-scale prostitution investigations.

The best advice in terms of your individual conduct has been stated a few times: 1) burn phone. 2) alias, and 3) vary your habits and locations frequently.

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1253738]That would be good advice if this were simply a question of prostitution. It's not, of course. The client lists and provider account information (which clients used which girls for which services) will be reviewed and identifiable clients contacted as part of larger investigations into both violations of the federal tax revenue codes and potentially the.

[url:"http://law.jrank.org/pages/8420/Mann-Act.html"]Mann Act[/url]

The adage "follow the money" gives you some idea where these investigations (state and federal) will head.

The telephone numbers themselves are not persuasive as evidence. LEO will build a matrix comparing and contrasting 1) length of calls. 2) frequency of calls, and 3) corresponding entries on client account registers (which were also confiscated during the Jeffersonville raid.) Recall that all the calls, certainly the ones of a duration that a jury might see as an unlikely "wrong number" mis-dial, we made to an establishment which was itself unlawful (at least the locations in Louisville. All calls went to the same central number (s) irrespective of the location of the provider.)

The fact and duration of the call to an unlawful business is itself prima facie evidence of likely criminal conduct. If you understand how evidence is compiled in criminal cases, you'll understand how the fact of the calls will be presented, in context, to a jury. It's never whether one piece of evidence can prove something. It is whether a collection of pieces create a picture of why "likely" happened. Juries decide based on that they "believe" happened, not what they know for a fact happened.

Relating these phone calls to the client service registers confiscated by law enforcement is the key for the prosecution and the real risk to anyone not using burn phones and aliases. Forensic accountants will begin pouring through those records very soon, you may rely on it.

Once the framework for linking particular girls with entries on the client registers is built, the government will begin to apply pressure on the girls and the owners / operators of the business to identify clients. This is necessary in order to prove that the money was received by the business for unlawful conduct (whatever the nature of that unlawful conduct.) If there were any video or digital recordings made as part of the business practice, these will be compared with call times and register entries. You begin seeing particular clients identified by girls seeking to avoid jail time, or by those running the business to avoid prison time and staggering federal and state monetary fines and penalties. This has happened before, and is standard practice in large-scale prostitution investigations.

The best advice in terms of your individual conduct has been stated a few times: 1) burn phone. 2) alias, and 3) vary your habits and locations frequently.[/QUOTE]Have you not been watching news, clark county has 700k in their police funds, they admit they are 500k short to pay the leo for the rest of the year, also believe me this so called client list most likely is not what they are making it out to be, also as stated before, just cause you went there doesn't mean you were involved in illegal activities (I've been to many strip clubs, got private dances, also seen same strip clubs give same dance with prostitution to undercovers, did that make my trip illegal? NO IT didn't)

[QUOTE=Johnballgame;1253978]Have you not been watching news, clark county has 700k in their police funds, they admit they are 500k short to pay the leo for the rest of the year[/QUOTE]Why according to the news, I heard it was Indy's cops who are doing all these. Or Indy's cops are only responsible for that night's undercover arrest?