"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2055489]Yeah, it's curious, because I'd been fantasizing a little bit about threesomes recently. But: (a) I didn't think she'd be into that (silly me), (b) I sure as hell wasn't going to be the one to bring it up, and (c) I didn't see how we could pull it off very easily.

And yeah, agree that I'm not the one to bring in the third party. The problem there is that she doesn't know anyone. In fact she specifically bemoaned that "there aren't enough bi women out there", and her social circles are pretty limited in that regard.

Alas, fun to think about, and pretty hot that she'd be game to do it at all.[/QUOTE]IMHO the fun of a threesome would be the two girls into each other with me playing the voyeur and insert myself into any and all available holes during their sex play. My one and only experience involved 2 young UTRs, both very cute, who did not interact with each other. So basically I fucked each separately, one after the other. Now there is nothing wrong with that scenario since they were a little different--C cup and B Cups, Good Kisser / no kisser, slim / full figure, etc. I got to choose which one I wanted to fill with my seed so it was all good.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2056779]IMHO the fun of a threesome would be the two girls into each other with me playing the voyeur and insert myself into any and all available holes during their sex play. My one and only experience involved 2 young UTRs, both very cute, who did not interact with each other. So basically I fucked each separately, one after the other. Now there is nothing wrong with that scenario since they were a little different--C cup and B Cups, Good Kisser / no kisser, slim / full figure, etc. I got to choose which one I wanted to fill with my seed so it was all good.[/QUOTE]Good info everyone. Geez, the videos make it look so [B]easy[/B], LOL!

I agree with your assessment that interaction between the two girls would be a huge boost in the excitement, which is another reason why having me go get the third would be problematic. The other thing with my SB is that we tend to have really long sessions unless our schedules are tight. If the two girls aren't comfortable with each other, it would probably lean toward the pro / UTR "get this over with and go" atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2056826]Good info everyone. Geez, the videos make it look so [B]easy[/B], LOL!

I agree with your assessment that interaction between the two girls would be a huge boost in the excitement, which is another reason why having me go get the third would be problematic. The other thing with my SB is that we tend to have really long sessions unless our schedules are tight. If the two girls aren't comfortable with each other, it would probably lean toward the pro / UTR "get this over with and go" atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Your SB should put her desire for a SB 3rd in her profile. If she states that she has a daddy and wants a girl to play then she can find her and bring her to the party. It might cost you an extra fee, but might be worth it. You could also put it in your profile for a month "looking for a baby to join me and my SB ".

I am very clear on my profile in the "first date" area about looking for a SB. I state I will only offer $50 for a date and that is to meet and make sure we have chemistry. I also say any future arrangement will be discussed. About half of the first dates never ask for or have the $50 come up. Another thing I have just added is that I will not accept a date if a message is not sent. This is to weed out some of the flakes. System is, either person can wink or just offer an amount for a date. Once that amount is accepted, then WYP site charges your credits to have access to that persons email. You will be notified whether or not you accept the date if you have mail from that person.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2055473]Canebay like the report. Very well done and welcome to the brotherhood. Tell us more about WYP. I have signed up and gotten many winks however I have never really participated. What have you done to be sucessfull. How do you separate the SB's from the real civilian women?

What are your findings so far? How much do you offer? Is it a negotiation that goes back and forth, and does this continue on to the FC?

Very interested.

On your question. I think that if you are doing well on WYP I would continue with it. If not then I would move on to another site. But don't get too caught up into too many sites at once. Try one and get good with it. And then try another. Also take your time. I was in a hurry at first and that got me in trouble. Also take breaks between hunts. You need time to digest and recharge.

And be careful out there.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

I had not heard of Hushed. Will be downloading and using now.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2055076]I just use the Hushed app (they have it for iOS and Android). It's just an app that works just like your regular phone except it can keep contacts separate (you have a choice to add to Hushed contacts or phone contacts every time you add a new contact). You can passcode lock the app itself, bury it in folders so nobody even knows its on your phone, and set it up so that the incoming texts and alerts are silent. It's not completely free but it's very economical, a $10 refill goes a long way and you can just refill as an app store purchase. It supports picture messages too of course.

Google's entire business model is based on mining information about you and selling it to advertisers. I never recommend Google products to anyone seeking privacy.

I would use Hushed even if I weren't SDing occasionally just for the ease and low cost of setting up disposable phone numbers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LandonR;2055983]
So my brothers, some good fortune for me this week with minimal damages. None of these girls I'll probably ever see again (maybe the last one if desperate) but definatley have some memories made. .[/QUOTE]Amazing. Good work.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2055959] . . . . . . We remained friends and spoke in email and swapped pictures for years. I always respected her because . . . . when I met her, she was finishing her bachelors full time as well as supporting her kids and maintaining a decent living. After she graduated her career did even better, she bought a house, and continued to be self-supporting (at least I thought).

That aspect of her always attracted me to her even beyond her looks. Well one day I saw her profile on a sugar daddy site, and while I didn't say anything to her about it, it completely destroyed the respect I had for her previously as I assumed that either she was never as self-supporting as I thought she had been, or she was just "throwing in the towel" in terms of believing in herself. I know life is hard for single moms but I think when someone gets over about 35 and they are still sugar babying, regardless of how attractive they are it says something about them as a person that I can't help but lose respect for. Basically it was disappointing to see her there... Didn't affect my friendship with her but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]I'd ease up on her a bit. We've never waked in her shoes.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2057359]I'd ease up on her a bit. We've never waked in her shoes.[/QUOTE]For the record I never said anything to her about it (not out to hurt anyone's feelings or give them a negative vibe), and I did say earlier it didn't affect my friendship with her, so I'm not sure what there is to ease up on or what I could do differently really.

I originally developed respect for her because of a mental image I developed of her (not necessarily one she imposed on me, just one that I developed on my own). So, that respect disappeared when I saw her hunting sugar daddies. It doesn't mean I think she's a bad person, just not what I thought she was. It was both a "giveth" and a "taketh away" that took place privately in my own mind- nothing could upset her because she never knew she had my respect, thus never knew when she lost it.

I've had women tell me they were turned off to learn that I sometimes bang ladies half my age, so I understand that other people might lose respect for me based on my lifestyle choices. I've had other women reject me for civvy dating solely on the grounds that I was divorced (if I was in a failed marriage, I must be damaged goods right?) Well they are all entitled to their opinions, and that's all there is, not right or wrong.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2055959] . . . We concluded we lived too far from each other to really start anything up, . . .

I always respected her because when I met her, she was finishing her bachelors full time as well as supporting her kids and maintaining a decent living. After she graduated her career did even better, she bought a house, and continued to be self-supporting (at least I thought). That aspect of her always attracted me to her even beyond her looks.

Well one day I saw her profile on a sugar daddy site, and while I didn't say anything to her about it, it completely destroyed the respect I had for her previously [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2055959]
I know life is hard for single moms but I think when someone gets over about 35 and they are still sugar babying, regardless of how attractive they are it says something about them as a person that I can't help but lose respect for. Basically it was disappointing to see her there... Didn't affect my friendship with her but it is what it is. [/QUOTE]After all the praise for the good, a lot of good, the view did a 180 merely because she returned to the sugar daddy site. We shouldn't be judgmental of others who do what we do. It's intellectually dishonest, although human nature. Maybe all we can hope for is we are aware when we do it so we don't challenge someone who calls us out for it. That's all.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2057480]After all the praise for the good, a lot of good, the view did a 180 merely because she returned to the sugar daddy site. We shouldn't be judgmental of others who do what we do. It's intellectually dishonest, although human nature. Maybe all we can hope for is we are aware when we do it so we don't challenge someone who calls us out for it. That's all.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood. I didn't meet her originally on an SD site, I met her on Match. So seeing her trying to be a sugar baby, after listening to all her self-congratulatory speeches about putting herself through college (which I now had reason to question), how she was an independent self-supporting woman that didn't need a man to take care of her, etc. started to make her look less than honest. That was the first I learned of her search for an SD.

I should also say that at the time I saw her do that, I was not yet involved in SD-ing, and additionally I didn't say or imply that I have no respect for SBs just because they are SBs (that was an assumption you seem to have made). I said I lost respect for one particular person in one particular situation.

The thing is I understood her situation pretty well before I judged it, while you seem to be judging my behavior before really understanding the facts.

When I post something here, it is so others can possibly compare notes and maybe we all can learn something from the exchange of ideas. I assure you I'm well beyond coming here to solicit lectures or judgement from anyone, or to have someone presume to tell me how I should feel about something versus how I actually do. No hard feelings, but just know you kind of stepped out of bounds on that one.

As I said in my previous post, my opinion is what it is and only that. The ladies have their opinions as well. You don't have to agree with mine or theirs, but if you go to the lengths of telling me what my opinion should be, it's likely to backfire.

No harm done my friend but since I'm relatively new here (to this thread) I thought I'd lay my cards on the table on this subject so as to preemptively address similar conversations in the future. It's best to take my reports or comments at face value -- even though they are at times lengthy, they are never close to complete, so the less assumptions anyone makes about the circumstances that surround them, the more confusion can be averted.

I understand where JL is coming from. We tend to categorize people in their respective boxes and I certainly do that.

My ATF I looked at as a GF pretty much even though I found her on a SB site. Later when I saw her back on the site my perspective totally changed and I then started looking at her differently. In my mind she changed from an innocent GF I "saved " to a hooker. Logical? Not a chance.

SBs IMHO are still escort lite and I wouldn't want a civilian I cared about to pop up on the SB sites selling her wares. Now don't get me wrong * I love SBs. Some of my best friends are SBs LOL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2058026]I understand where JL is coming from. We tend to categorize people in their respective boxes and I certainly do that.

My ATF I looked at as a GF pretty much even though I found her on a SB site. Later when I saw her back on the site my perspective totally changed and I then started looking at her differently. In my mind she changed from an innocent GF I "saved " to a hooker. Logical? Not a chance.

SBs IMHO are still escort lite and I wouldn't want a civilian I cared about to pop up on the SB sites selling her wares. Now don't get me wrong * I love SBs. Some of my best friends are SBs LOL.[/QUOTE]All of my best friends are SB's. I don't care for the civi world. I'd rather create my own.

Well, My credit cards were reissued by the bank for a hacking incident and guess who had been billing me for months? You got it! I reiterate others' warnings that SDFM continues to bill after you cancel service with them. If you sign up use a throw away debit card. Their billing practices border on fraudulent.

SA is very reliable and only bill what you paid for and cancel immediately.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2058042]Well, My credit cards were reissued by the bank for a hacking incident and guess who had been billing me for months? You got it! I reiterate others' warnings that SDFM continues to bill after you cancel service with them. If you sign up use a throw away debit card. Their billing practices border on fraudulent.

SA is very reliable and only bill what you paid for and cancel immediately.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and have always used a disposable card. But just for the heck of it I decided to delete one of my SD4 M accounts (I had 2). I really didn't care if they deleted it immediately. It was a test to see if they would. If after one more month it was not deleted, then I was going to just cancel the card. But they have not billed me and the account is inactive.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2056837]I am very clear on my profile in the "first date" area about looking for a SB. I state I will only offer $50 for a date and that is to meet and make sure we have chemistry. I also say any future arrangement will be discussed. About half of the first dates never ask for or have the $50 come up. Another thing I have just added is that I will not accept a date if a message is not sent. This is to weed out some of the flakes. System is, either person can wink or just offer an amount for a date. Once that amount is accepted, then WYP site charges your credits to have access to that persons email. You will be notified whether or not you accept the date if you have mail from that person.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Interesting site, what do you mean if a message is not sent, ie they wink first or can they send you an email not sure what you mean thanks.

Oh on SA you can sure by location, which seems to semi sort by login date now finally, or by near me and sort by login date also they have a good intro price