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[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5436921]I mentioned I've been talking to this girl the last 2 wks and we agreed upon 4. 5. Today we were supposed to get a room. I booked the room this morning and just a few minutes ago went to the ATM. The bank reported unusual activity so it locked my card. I log in to the app and verify recent transactions. Meanwhile I'm texting her that I'm running late do to an issue. Go back to the ATM and my card is locked again. I call the bank and while I'm on hold I text her the situation. She went cold blooded fast. She said this is a red flag, get my money, we agreed upon cash, I'm not going anywhere till you have it, this is so unattractive. Finally I clear it up with the bank the service for booking the room was out of state and that caused it. Anyway after everything she said I told her never mind that I'm going home. She said that's it your blocked and thanks for wasting my time. Maybe it was a blessing instead. No way I'm begging someone to let me pay them.[/QUOTE]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.
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[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE]We had actually done a m&g 2 weeks ago and been texting daily. Idk maybe it's just the entitlement idk.
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Red flags
Some red flags I look for also to weed out these "working pros" are all the hotel selfies, or motel selfies. You can't miss those old school air conditioners near the floor under the window those are classic AC's at the motels I used to use in Compton like the Bradfield, Lark, etc way back in the early 2000's. Any motel or hotel selfie I'm out, any girls with face tattoos I'm out, and if they start shooting off prices from the first few texts I'm out. Those will usually always be a pro-type of encounter. I try to meet for coffee or something first and if they are really newbies they are usually cool with that, then one thing leads to another and it's a non-pro experience. This is purely my encounters I'm sure they are different for everyone but usually, I get a feel after few texts and a mandatory phone call to see how they sound and talk. I had one girl the other day reply to me and sent her number, she was 18 and a barista she claims, was cool on the phone. Her account was made like 3 days prior (but probably had previous accounts based on how she spoke on text later on) claimed she met her first guy the night before and gave him a BBBJ CIM. I said ok let's meet for coffee after she gets off work, she said cool. Then, we hang up and she starts into "what are you looking for" and then said she has a lot of other customers LOLLLLLL hitting her up, as soon as she said that word customer I told her you're not a barista, you are a hooker and I was done and blocked her. Just my recent experience, she was definitely not new to it quoting prices and using the word customer. I told her good luck and blocked her.
Stay safe.
AD.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;5437145]Guys have always ruined everything. Years ago you never heard the escort terminology used from a Sugar baby. Then escort guys show up an you get them asking for specific price for a blow job or how much for an hour. Its been around so long now it's standard. Escorts found their way to the sites and and guys knowing they were escorts immediately dubbed them babies. Working from motels, quoting quickies or specific acts LOL. Yeah guys ruin everything.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE]I have done a few M&G's in the parking lot of a no-tel. Mostly I ended up booking the room after. But a couple times I passed.
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[QUOTE=Alkalinedio;5439339]Some red flags I look for also to weed out these "working pros" are all the hotel selfies, or motel selfies. You can't miss those old school air conditioners near the floor under the window those are classic AC's at the motels I used to use in Compton like the Bradfield, Lark, etc way back in the early 2000's. Any motel or hotel selfie I'm out, any girls with face tattoos I'm out, and if they start shooting off prices from the first few texts I'm out. Those will usually always be a pro-type of encounter. I try to meet for coffee or something first and if they are really newbies they are usually cool with that, then one thing leads to another and it's a non-pro experience. This is purely my encounters I'm sure they are different for everyone but usually, I get a feel after few texts and a mandatory phone call to see how they sound and talk. I had one girl the other day reply to me and sent her number, she was 18 and a barista she claims, was cool on the phone. Her account was made like 3 days prior (but probably had previous accounts based on how she spoke on text later on) claimed she met her first guy the night before and gave him a BBBJ CIM. I said ok let's meet for coffee after she gets off work, she said cool. Then, we hang up and she starts into "what are you looking for" and then said she has a lot of other customers LOLLLLLL hitting her up, as soon as she said that word customer I told her you're not a barista, you are a hooker and I was done and blocked her. Just my recent experience, she was definitely not new to it quoting prices and using the word customer. I told her good luck and blocked her.
Stay safe.
AD.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents on pros. I have met a few really nice ones on seeking over the years. Non rush, most everything on the menu, sweet nice girls. If they are my type in the face, but mostly the body I don't really care. A few did become regulars for a bit. Not all seasoned pros are alike. And many were one offs but so have a lot of inexperienced girls. I have not met a new girl in maybe a year now due to no funds. But I still have two I see regularly that moved to more of a friend basis. One is more like a PT GF and does sleep overs and the other has her own money from dancing and still lives with the folks. I am kinda stuck with them for now till things pick up. Both have menu limits, but beggars can't be choosers.
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[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5436921]I mentioned I've been talking to this girl the last 2 wks and we agreed upon 4. 5. Today we were supposed to get a room. I booked the room this morning and just a few minutes ago went to the ATM. The bank reported unusual activity so it locked my card. I log in to the app and verify recent transactions. Meanwhile I'm texting her that I'm running late do to an issue. Go back to the ATM and my card is locked again. I call the bank and while I'm on hold I text her the situation. She went cold blooded fast. She said this is a red flag, get my money, we agreed upon cash, I'm not going anywhere till you have it, this is so unattractive. Finally I clear it up with the bank the service for booking the room was out of state and that caused it. Anyway after everything she said I told her never mind that I'm going home. She said that's it your blocked and thanks for wasting my time. Maybe it was a blessing instead. No way I'm begging someone to let me pay them.[/QUOTE]I don't think her reaction was out of line. I'd have made up some other reason I'm running late other than having problems getting access to cash. It does sound like she's a straight-up pro, though.
I'd also recommend NEVER booking a room with an ATM card. Always use a credit card, and never let anything have access directly to your funds.
I once had my ATM card skimmed, and they snagged about $3 K, hitting gas station ATMs over a few days before my bank was smart enough to alert my oblivious ass. Canceled everything, and they put the money back into my account, but it was still a little inconvenient chatting on the phone to get it all straightened out.
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I think you and I are in the exact same boat. If I had the funds to be lavish and sample the pros and NP's alike I probably would to be honest. The truth is, funds for me personally are barely hanging on right now due to the past year and half as well. Some people the past year their business increased, and are doing strong I am so happy for them. Unfortunately, my line of work very different polar opposite but it's ok I'm still happy and as you said, beggars can't be choosers I've learned to improvise! Nice to hear you managed to get a longer term thing with those, good on you.
Stay safe,
AD.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5439984]My 2 cents on pros. I have met a few really nice ones on seeking over the years. Non rush, most everything on the menu, sweet nice girls. If they are my type in the face, but mostly the body I don't really care. A few did become regulars for a bit. Not all seasoned pros are alike. And many were one offs but so have a lot of inexperienced girls. I have not met a new girl in maybe a year now due to no funds. But I still have two I see regularly that moved to more of a friend basis. One is more like a PT GF and does sleep overs and the other has her own money from dancing and still lives with the folks. I am kinda stuck with them for now till things pick up. Both have menu limits, but beggars can't be choosers.[/QUOTE]
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Seems real if interested
This girl lives far from me if anyone is interested. Was going to meet and greet but didn't want to drive far out so I asked what she was seeking. Not my price range but seems real based on the vibe I got from her. Looks hot. Must be baller status, otherwise, don't bother.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d29ab5d7-5a90-4c11-9560-0d6186243097[/URL]
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RE: Sweetmaya
She seems TGTBT.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;5441346]This girl lives far from me if anyone is interested. Was going to meet and greet but didn't want to drive far out so I asked what she was seeking. Not my price range but seems real based on the vibe I got from her. Looks hot. Must be baller status, otherwise, don't bother.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d29ab5d7-5a90-4c11-9560-0d6186243097[/URL][/QUOTE]
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Maybe, but possible
[QUOTE=PropLA;5444493]She seems TGTBT.[/QUOTE]I would share pic of hot SB I have had but too risky. I have no idea who monitors this site. And recently, I seem to have been followed when I was with a regular SB so definitely not worth it to prove something to people I'll never meet here.
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[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).
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[QUOTE=DogBert77;5446129][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).[/QUOTE]Same for [URL]hotelsbyday.com[/URL]. The reservation does not require a credit card, but if you are sure and pay in advance, you get $10 off. Their rates are like 100 for a nice hotel for the 9 or 10 to 3 or 4 time frame. For a Holiday Inn away from the big city, more like 70.
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[QUOTE=DogBert77;5446129][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).[/QUOTE]Agreed, motels in LA can be only $20-30 less than a hotel stay, the latter being magnitudes more comfortable and secure. And as Dogbert mentioned, girls appreciate a a clean and comfortable FC. Dayuse and hotelsbyday are both great services, and work very well as already described.
I've used Hotels Tonight for many years, as they provide a good quality selection at far better rates than most booking sites. Being a regular customer, I get deep discounts and promotional rates, at times $100-200 less than the next lowest competitor. When meeting for an afternoon or evening date, I've often booked the room at the end of the M&G when the girl has consented and is DTF; a few swipes on the app and we're off to the races.
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Basic Guidelines
Here are some basic guidelines for newer SDs to save time and money.
1. Never send any money before meeting. Not one cent. Only scammers will ever ask for money before meeting. Never accept "online arrangements until we can meet," gas money requests, etc.
2. Never pay for a meet and greet: no play, no pay. Your time is far more valuable than that of any rinser.
3. Should the profile not have any full body pictures, or use all sorts of wacky filters, request unedited full body photos or a video call before meeting. Fatties and fuglies will zoom in on their face and use deceptive angles and filters to conceal how gross they truly are. Don't let a catfish waste your time.
4. Set expectations ahead of time, be clear and confident about what you are looking for. Never settle for less, or allow her to move the goal posts. Girls appreciate clarity and your direction.
5. Don't get stuck on any one chick, expecting her to be "the one. " Many girls can be fickle, always keep more in the pipeline.
6. Make sure to tell your potential SB that you are looking for a regular that appreciates you and wants to make you happy, whatever it takes to please you. This is to ensure she gives it her all. Whether you actually intend to continue seeing her is up to you, but this keeps away time wasters and discourages bad lays.
7. Meet & greets should be in a setting with an easy out, preferably a casual setting such as meeting for coffee, ice cream, drinks. Lunch or dinner can be awkward if a fat / ugly chick that you don't want to be around shows up. You select the place to meet: don't have a gold digger or rinser drag you to a high end restaurant, or a rob direct you to a place where your defenses are neutralized.
8. Don't be afraid to discuss expectations beforehand, but move this off site as soon as you can. Use neutral terms on the site, and at the beginning of texting to avoid bans and suspensions. Once the girl demonstrates she's DTF, be as transparent as you like.
9. Never pay any cash at the beginning of the date. Always after visiting the FC to avoid cash and dash, or bait and switch situations.
10. Keep talking and texting to an efficient minimum, moving the conversation to an in-person date as soon as you can. Otherwise momentum will be lost, and time wasted.
11. You call the shots, you set the terms, this is your arrangement. You are a sugar daddy, not a trick. There are more WGs on the site since FOSTA made it harder for them to operate elsewhere, but do not let them set the tone. Never accept a prostitute's rules, or more specifically, her pimp's rules. If she drops escort terminology or rules, report her ass and keep her in Skid Row for the chumps.
12. Remain tenacious and alert: online dating is a minefield, but there are still gems to be found. Trust your instincts: if something feels off, it probably is. If things feel great, keep a guarded optimism until reaching the FC.
13. Report all scammers to the site, and post a warning on this forum with pictures, especially if she's a rob or blackmailer.
14. Have fun and stay positive, approaching each interaction on its own terms. Have a friendly and approachable profile: any negativity in your profile can deter a connection with many quality girls. Keeping a comfortable environment and good vibes will increase your chances of success.
Feel free to share more tips here. Happy Hunting.
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SA Women this month
I'm not sure if it's just me or the women that have been on SA this month but I've been looking for something during the week while my live in situation with my old SB but current roommate (well she lives in my townhome) works Mon. Fri and travels for work.
I've met about 3 absolutely 7/8/9's who were Asians for dinner and got to just take them back to my place for a small amount allowance wise.
Met with a Latina last night. Killer body, ended up and my place. Got nothing from me and wants to meet next Friday.
Tonight have another Asian I'm going to be meeting and she's got that ABG style.
The date I'm looking forward to is this other Latina on Saturday, meeting for sushi and drinks. I didn't believe her photos were real so we FaceTimed (made an excuse that I wanted to get to know her and see how we vibed). Easily a 9 in LA. Down to meet twice a week for 2.5 k.
It's been a run fellas and I hope you're feeling it too.