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[QUOTE=TheArgent;7060337]The last couple years have been difficult for software engineers--a career which had boomed incredibly for several years before and is now in a correction--but the employment rate and incomes for service jobs are at all time lows and highs, respectively. Barista, server, hostess, bartender and similar jobs are readily available. The unemployment rate in the last two years has been between 3. 4- and 4. 1%, the lowest in my lifetime. In 2012, you needed a college degree to get some service jobs. Today some businesses I patronize have reduced hours because they can't find enough part time workers to remain open.

And, of course, the jobs pay much more now. The largest percentage of income gains in the last five years have accrued to the bottom quintile.

All of this means that in 2012 to 2018 or so, it took some work to find a job you could do 20-24 hours a week. And if you got one, it paid about $10/ hr. Now people will hire you on your terms and you can probably expect to make $18/ hr, perhaps more if you're a pretty white girl with good communication skills..[/QUOTE]100%. People talk about inflation a lot but if you look at the lower end jobs they have all seen increases.

With that said, I'm not sure if $500 for laying down for 30-60 minutes is a bad deal, even if hourly wage is $20/ hour.

[QUOTE=TheArgent;7060337]The last couple years have been difficult for software engineers--a career which had boomed incredibly for several years before and is now in a correction--but the employment rate and incomes for service jobs are at all time lows and highs, respectively. Barista, server, hostess, bartender and similar jobs are readily available. The unemployment rate in the last two years has been between 3. 4- and 4. 1%, the lowest in my lifetime. In 2012, you needed a college degree to get some service jobs. Today some businesses I patronize have reduced hours because they can't find enough part time workers to remain open.

And, of course, the jobs pay much more now. The largest percentage of income gains in the last five years have accrued to the bottom quintile.

All of this means that in 2012 to 2018 or so, it took some work to find a job you could do 20-24 hours a week. And if you got one, it paid about $10/ hr. Now people will hire you on your terms and you can probably expect to make $18/ hr, perhaps more if you're a pretty white girl with good communication skills.

This is great news for the USA Economy. It's bad news if you are hoping to see hot girls reluctantly create a Seeking profile because they need $500 to pay sorority dues.[/QUOTE]Let's be real here for a moment. 18 dollars an hour is absolutely horrendous in today's economy. I'm at 65 an hour with three investment properties and I feel the inflation. You can't seriously type that with a straight face. I rent my properties for close to 2 k a month per unit. You need to make 35/40 an hour to afford that.

You forgot OF. That has an impact than the 20/ hr job.

[QUOTE=TheArgent;7060337]The last couple years have been difficult for software engineers--a career which had boomed incredibly for several years before and is now in a correction--but the employment rate and incomes for service jobs are at all time lows and highs, respectively. Barista, server, hostess, bartender and similar jobs are readily available. The unemployment rate in the last two years has been between 3. 4- and 4. 1%, the lowest in my lifetime. In 2012, you needed a college degree to get some service jobs. Today some businesses I patronize have reduced hours because they can't find enough part time workers to remain open.

And, of course, the jobs pay much more now. The largest percentage of income gains in the last five years have accrued to the bottom quintile.

All of this means that in 2012 to 2018 or so, it took some work to find a job you could do 20-24 hours a week. And if you got one, it paid about $10/ hr. Now people will hire you on your terms and you can probably expect to make $18/ hr, perhaps more if you're a pretty white girl with good communication skills.

This is great news for the USA Economy. It's bad news if you are hoping to see hot girls reluctantly create a Seeking profile because they need $500 to pay sorority dues.[/QUOTE]

Anyone have any information on Ashley? She wants me to call her. Just want to be as educated as possible in case she's a scammer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4633be61-9534-4aeb-bb1b-acfa2d3a3968[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xaikhem;7063082]Let's be real here for a moment. 18 dollars an hour is absolutely horrendous in today's economy. I'm at 65 an hour with three investment properties and I feel the inflation. You can't seriously type that with a straight face. I rent my properties for close to 2 k a month per unit. You need to make 35/40 an hour to afford that.[/QUOTE]I may have communicated poorly if I implied that $18 an hour is enough to rocket a college sophomore into a comfortable middle class lifestyle. But when I was in college, I often could not afford to buy a newspaper because I wanted to save that dollar for something else. One of my recent SBs who worked at Starbucks had no problem paying $20 for parking. She wanted my money for luxuries.

The last few years it's easy to find work that fits a college girl's schedule and the pay would be about $30- to $40,000 a year if it was done full time. If her folks are paying for tuition and some living expenses, it means that fewer students are unable to afford pizza or spring break. Which makes a sugar daddy something they are less likely to consider.

[QUOTE=StinkFist;7063387]Anyone have any information on Ashley? She wants me to call her. Just want to be as educated as possible in case she's a scammer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4633be61-9534-4aeb-bb1b-acfa2d3a3968[/URL][/QUOTE]I've chatted with her, and she seemed legit but communication went silent so I moved on. She had a local area code and messaging did not seem like it was a scam attempt.

[QUOTE=BeNewAgain;7063900]I've chatted with her, and she seemed legit but communication went silent so I moved on. She had a local area code and messaging did not seem like it was a scam attempt.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your input. Ill let you know if I get in contact with her.

Anyone have experience with this one:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/414713ab-012f-30ce-d03d-7ea9b74af2c9[/URL]

[QUOTE=MysticUS;7049833]I have been on and off on SA, had some good experiences, some bad. But never really got scammed. This one was kinda first time for me. Contacted on SA, exchanged contact and deal was set for 400. Came to my hotel on time. We chatted over few drinks and when things were about to get interesting she made an excuse to go to bathroom and left. Unfortunately the money was exchanged already at this point. She was so desperate that she ran away in her bra and pants.

Profile is no longer active on SA. But the username was Twisha and the tag line said "Let's go out for dinner, 420 friendly". The contact she shared was 773906XXXX. Also had the audacity to ask more money later through cash app. The cash app Id is $lovingpam51X. If someone can identify this scammer please let everyone know.[/QUOTE]New profile:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e30b5785-f1a7-4f7d-8b70-1feb9da24fe3[/URL]

[QUOTE=FollowZeal;7068085]New profile:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e30b5785-f1a7-4f7d-8b70-1feb9da24fe3[/URL][/QUOTE]Funny thing is I was messaging her and I always make it clear upfront that this is how much they're getting when we are done and you're ready to leave. I like that and I've never had any issues except for the girls that are obviously trying to scam you like her she said no thanks and left the conversation.

[QUOTE=FollowZeal;7068085]New profile:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e30b5785-f1a7-4f7d-8b70-1feb9da24fe3[/URL][/QUOTE]She sent me a message about three days ago. Not currently subscribed, so I cannot read it.

I was going to see this girl, but looks like a pro unless I'm wrong. Has anyone seen her before?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ec30ec8f-e1d2-43ba-bfcc-0ecef2e0d9f1[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/77fd0660-b88b-48cb-87e0-f35cf1eac0ea[/URL] She is currently in Massachusetts and hit me up from my profile and wants to meet with PPM.

I would appreciate any info Thanks CM in Boston area.

Any experiences with the below profile and have any feedback? You may DM me as well. She responded and meeting up so making sure.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/be66c76d-0a65-4279-9a5d-9a28c0932ed6[/URL]

[QUOTE=ArielDude28;7070953]Any experiences with the below profile and have any feedback? You may DM me as well. She responded and meeting up so making sure.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/be66c76d-0a65-4279-9a5d-9a28c0932ed6[/URL][/QUOTE]I talked to her and she wanted a gift to meet her so I passed.

This one wants 4 k allowance per month.

Any one of you really paying that much?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b5337615-3a21-44d0-8761-c73a9f35c364[/URL]

Has anyone ever met with Michelle?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/90f5263d-350d-4f14-b900-9cf72e7435a6[/URL]

Texting on the app was fine however phone texting was really straight forward and suspicious, so I just wanted to see if anyone has been able to actually meet with her.

[QUOTE=Silver6933;7070736]I was going to see this girl, but looks like a pro unless I'm wrong. Has anyone seen her before?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ec30ec8f-e1d2-43ba-bfcc-0ecef2e0d9f1[/URL][/QUOTE]Destiny looks like a crazy woman with substance abuse problems, has three kids taken away from her etc.

[QUOTE=TheArgent;7062704]This may be outside the scope of the board's topic space. But inflation-adjusted personal consumption is at an all-time high and debt as a percentage of income (which is obviously normalized for inflation by its nature) hasn't been lower in recent memory. And, again, within the last five years the bottom quintile of income has improved more in these categories than upper quintiles, relatively.

It's simply an excellent time in America to be a low-income worker. Which doesn't mean there aren't other factors affecting the availability of and access to sugar babies. Strip clubs, for example, do not do better not when girls are desperate due to a poor economy. *They do better when the economy is booming and guys have money to spend on strippers. * When the strip clubs are full of guys throwing cash around, girls who are on the fence about stripping can't resist the lure of easy money and get onto the pole. There's certainly a similar dynamic in play in the SB space, but it's not clear to me exactly how it all fits together.

But we talk a lot hear about the "good old days" of Seeking when it was full of hot sorority girls who were inviting you into their dorm for $250. But this probably has something to do with the guys on there too. If every guy on seeking is a handsome orthodontist who lets you use his boat, why not bang him for a little extra cash? Once the goons who used to spend time on Backpage create profiles and inundate the site with "how much for CIP?" messages, it must keep some of those girls out of the bowl.

That's the big difference between being an escort and being a sugar baby. Escorts fuck whoever opens the door. Sugar babies get to decide who they see. It's similar to how you'll see some "regular" girls escorting in Vegas casinos from time to time. It's a lot more appealing of a way to make money if you have an good idea about who you're getting into bed with. And there's no doubt that as Seeking has increased its profile, there's an increase in low-quality men on the site too. And if girls need to wade through them and learn how to avoid them (and get turned off by them), it's going to keep them from making profiles or staying on the site. We regularly get guys on this board, for example, who brag about not paying girls who are too inexperienced or feel too awkward or dirty to ask for it. I *always* put money in their purse or pants pocket or something like that without asking because I know a 19 year old girl who's never fucked a guy her father's age in a hotel room before is going to feel like a hooker if she's forced to say "where's my money?[/QUOTE]A lot of good points here. About the "good old days", this is probably true; back when I started Seeking around the mid-2010's, I had a full head of hair, and there was a different vibe to it. Craigslist was an awesome way of posting an ad looking for girls in need. I know some younger guys who are doing well on Seeking / SDM, but they're throwing around $4/500+ on some of the girls while I was doing half that when I was their age. From what I hear, they take care of themselves, but there are a lot of low-quality men on the site, too, which probably scares off a lot of less-jaded girls.

The money part doesn't change, though; I do the same, just put it in their jacket or somewhere they can tell it's there.

Had a nice conversation with Gemma and everything was going well. Sent her a little bit of money to buy tickets for a planned date out to see each other irl, not even enough for a ticket to the movies and popcorn Lmfao. Turns out that's all she needed to block me and run with the money, the day before we were planning to meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-3bcbce64be4c[/URL]

Again not a lot of money lost but putting the warning out there that she might block you if you give her money beforehand no matter how small.

Had a nice conversation with Gemma and everything was going well. Sent her a little bit of money to buy tickets for a planned date out to see each other irl, not even enough for a ticket to the movies and popcorn Lmfao. Turns out that's all she needed to block me and run with the money, the day before we were planning to meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-3bcbce64be4c[/URL]

Again not a lot of money lost but putting the warning out there that she might block you if you give her money beforehand no matter how small.

[QUOTE=PlayboyMarz;7072848]Had a nice conversation with Gemma and everything was going well. Sent her a little bit of money to buy tickets for a planned date out to see each other irl, not even enough for a ticket to the movies and popcorn Lmfao. Turns out that's all she needed to block me and run with the money, the day before we were planning to meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-3bcbce64be4c[/URL]

Again not a lot of money lost but putting the warning out there that she might block you if you give her money beforehand no matter how small.[/QUOTE]A crack rock is like 15-20 bucks. Probably all she needed.

Anyone met a sugar baby in real life rather than on one of the online sites? I think I just did. Not sure how to play it. Advice?

Looks like she may have taken herself down completely, unless she's blocked many of us. I'd started talking to her too and though she was a good prospect since I could pretty quickly find her social media accounts from some of her pics and her location and story seemed to check out. Now she's not visible from my favorites, messages, etc.

Thanks for reporting and saving everyone else from wasting their time. West burbs remain pretty slim pickings.

[QUOTE=PlayboyMarz;7072864]Had a nice conversation with Gemma and everything was going well. Sent her a little bit of money to buy tickets for a planned date out to see each other irl, not even enough for a ticket to the movies and popcorn Lmfao. Turns out that's all she needed to block me and run with the money, the day before we were planning to meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-3bcbce64be4c[/URL]

Again not a lot of money lost but putting the warning out there that she might block you if you give her money beforehand no matter how small.[/QUOTE]

Miamia [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/72e240bb-1b79-4128-a715-f6067f37f9cf[/URL].

I know it has been covered before but help me out. Someone that has seen her please pm me or share. Not looking for someone to kiss and tell just give me some specifics body etc. What am I getting into. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=JoeDirt12;7073579]Miamia [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/72e240bb-1b79-4128-a715-f6067f37f9cf[/URL].

I know it has been covered before but help me out. Someone that has seen her please pm me or share. Not looking for someone to kiss and tell just give me some specifics body etc. What am I getting into. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]The good:

Sweet girl.

Great head.

Can host (Safe area).

Budget friendly.

The bad:

Way chubbier than I like. I even checked out her Facebook pics before seeing her and even those were misleading.

[QUOTE=JoeDirt12;7073579]Miamia [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/72e240bb-1b79-4128-a715-f6067f37f9cf[/URL].

I know it has been covered before but help me out. Someone that has seen her please pm me or share. Not looking for someone to kiss and tell just give me some specifics body etc. What am I getting into. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Easy to setup, can host and nice gal. Her head game is A+. Her pictures are VERY dated, I ended up with a very expensive BBBJ when I saw her. I couldn't.

This one is really strange. Seems legit and then gives snap (usually a bad sign) but chatty etc. Made some comments that gave me pause. So when I finally suggested meeting for coffee, she wanted to meet at my place (cause she gets shy in public (WTF). Now no real girl does that. Meet for the first time at a complete stranger's house instead of a coffee place? So called BS and then, of course, crickets.

Curious to hear other's experience.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a435a3b7-1242-4c23-8801-40e90f2747d3[/URL]

[QUOTE=Donger999;7073703]This one is really strange. Seems legit and then gives snap (usually a bad sign) but chatty etc. Made some comments that gave me pause. So when I finally suggested meeting for coffee, she wanted to meet at my place (cause she gets shy in public (WTF). Now no real girl does that. Meet for the first time at a complete stranger's house instead of a coffee place? So called BS and then, of course, crickets.

Curious to hear other's experience.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a435a3b7-1242-4c23-8801-40e90f2747d3[/URL][/QUOTE]From the profile.

I'm looking for someome financially well looking for a mutually beneficial.

Screams bad translation, so probably out of country.

This one wants 5 bennies for one hour.

She's probably a pro.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4b5002eb-b553-430d-881a-2d7162786d37[/URL]

I'll pass.

This one wants money just to get her number, WTF? Next.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cfb263a5-614b-4159-85bb-bc9f5360b3f7[/URL]

This one wants 1 k, no Greek and everything covered.

I'll pass.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/84ceb4cf-ee53-4015-808a-8370c219e023[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25812388-740d-4fd1-b053-08b5573948a1[/URL]

We texted back and forth, she wants 6.

And then says she needs some in advance, I'm like no thanks.

This one wants 8, not sure what her menu is.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa6cfa18-cabb-484b-acae-e504a9c65fb4[/URL]

Anybody met her? Is she worth it? I mean 8 is a lot of money.

She also wants you to buy her train ticket from where she lives.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f7cf6a46-e249-4305-a229-862f63f4dd80[/URL]

Wants 350 per hour if I get a room.

I mean, if I wanted to be charged by the hour I'd see a h00 ker.

The whole point of SA is different.

[QUOTE=GeekAuto;7073817]This one wants 5 bennies for one hour.

She's probably a pro.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4b5002eb-b553-430d-881a-2d7162786d37[/URL]

I'll pass.[/QUOTE]Can't find the ad but she's definitely a pro I've seen her before.

[QUOTE=cpv0572;7073878]Can't find the ad but she's definitely a pro I've seen her before.[/QUOTE]Chatted with her. She was down to get a room without even seeing what I looked like. I usually feel like they are pro when they don't bother what the other person looks like.

[QUOTE=JasonWi;7073444]Anyone met a sugar baby in real life rather than on one of the online sites? I think I just did. Not sure how to play it. Advice?[/QUOTE]Several times. Once you've met one, it's not PPM or whatever. It's "shopping" "maybe some travel" "concert tickets" "I'd love to help you out with bills and expenses. We can talk about how I can take care of you. " You close the deal by having the image in their head be luxury and convenience, not you looming over her in some grubby airport hotel.

If you get the idea that she's on the fence, definitely take ger to dinner with no expectations or buy her an $80 dress at H&M or something. You want her to feel like you're a sugar daddy and not a guy she blows for money. I've had girls say, "If we didn't go to dinner Thursday, this would almost be like prostitution!" And other similar statements.

Then you tell her how much you want to see her but you're really busy and "maybe I'll just grab a bottle of wine and meet you at the same hotel?" Tighten things up and start trimming off the regular date stuff and focus on the bedroom stuff.

[QUOTE=GeekAuto;7073838][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f7cf6a46-e249-4305-a229-862f63f4dd80[/URL]

Wants 350 per hour if I get a room.

I mean, if I wanted to be charged by the hour I'd see a h00 ker.

The whole point of SA is different.[/QUOTE]350 per hour ain't so bad these days for a slim redhead with good bolt ons if its a good quality hour. Did she give any clue what she's open to (GFE, MSOG, etc) that could make it better than a typical paid experience? I definitely agree the traditional SB concept is different, but the line's gotten so blurry with so much bad service on either side of the game that I'm not sure I care anymore.

[QUOTE=GeekAuto;7070962]I talked to her and she wanted a gift to meet her so I passed.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Asked for a gift and 600 + dinner / food which will get that to 700-750 depending on how far you go with it. When chatted and asked few things she also shared a naked pic where she is au naturale. She said she doesn't like shaving.