She has a kid, she can host but ppm is $900 and so many guys are giving her $900.
I am damn sure she is lying. But really! Guys are paying that much for ppm? Who are they.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=72212771&nsp=1[/URL]
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She has a kid, she can host but ppm is $900 and so many guys are giving her $900.
I am damn sure she is lying. But really! Guys are paying that much for ppm? Who are they.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=72212771&nsp=1[/URL]
[QUOTE=Ternarius;7203688][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/160a4e87-9d25-479f-bb3f-7f4f7c26e74c[/URL]
OK a friend of mine got played. He thought he was being cautious 'cause it was a little too easy to set up but he figured she might be semi-pro. She came to the room, maybe a little nervous and high. Asked is he had cash. Yep. But he didn't offer it. After chatting, she went out to get a phone charger. He thought she might not come back but she did. More chatting, mostly about SA scammers etc. Things seemed good when she went to freshen up and asked for cash. His guard was down at that point. She asked him to freshen up and 5 seconds after he was in the bathroom, he heard the door close. She was gone. There might have been a friend outside with the car running, ready to roll. In hindsight he would have asked her to undress before any cash changed hands, but that does seem rude. Lesson learned and could have been worse.[/QUOTE]I am helping a SB with some ppm funds, not paying an escort, so I never give them the funds up front. If they are super nervous about it, maybe I'll give them half, but I've only had to do that a couple of times. I sort of understand that, because you don't want the girl wondering the entire time if she will get the ppm, but it's also unromantic to do it that way. But thanks for letting us know about this one and will block right now.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3aaec11d-6ed9-416f-a017-342716cc4790[/URL]
Noor
$1000 ppm. Not really outrageous like some of the other ones, but still out if my price range.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7204695][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3aaec11d-6ed9-416f-a017-342716cc4790[/URL]
Noor
$1000 ppm. Not really outrageous like some of the other ones, but still out if my price range.[/QUOTE]This ***** was very rude to me. She wouldn't understand why some people don't want their real picture on the site.
Isn't this one of the many crazy girls that some others have referenced in the past? She looks very familiar:
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6ed35ea4-4184-40dc-9964-0ebb13013185[/URL]
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7204075]She has a kid, she can host but ppm is $900 and so many guys are giving her $900.
I am damn sure she is lying. But really! Guys are paying that much for ppm? Who are they.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=72212771&nsp=1[/URL][/QUOTE]$900 is a bit rich, I could see guys maybe doing $500, but $400 is more realistic. But there are guys who do that and distort the market. If you do negotiate with her, maybe find out how long these meets are (is $900 for a whole evening?) and see if she'd settle for a shorter meet-up?
The only yellow flag for me is there are no full-body shots, so thinking maybe a bit of padding around the waist. Yeah, I've got extra padding there too, but I'm also not 22 anymore.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7204927]The only yellow flag for me is there are no full-body shots, so thinking maybe a bit of padding around the waist. Yeah, I've got extra padding there too, but I'm also not 22 anymore.[/QUOTE]I've learned the hard way that no full body pic is usually a bad gamble. Not always, but more often than not. I try to resist the temptation of meeting a girl who doesn't include at least one full body pic. Even then there's the risk of it being an old outdated pic, but at least then you know there's a chance she's still slim.
[QUOTE=GiddenLade;7205665]I've learned the hard way that no full body pic is usually a bad gamble. Not always, but more often than not. I try to resist the temptation of meeting a girl who doesn't include at least one full body pic. Even then there's the risk of it being an old outdated pic, but at least then you know there's a chance she's still slim.[/QUOTE]Same here man, this one couldn't produce a full body pic when I asked but said she will have some this weekend LOL. She sent me a lot of pictures tho but I can to smell through the bs. She also said 200 ppm.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/f7dfc901c5e64f30[/URL]
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7204075]She has a kid, she can host but ppm is $900 and so many guys are giving her $900.
I am damn sure she is lying. But really! Guys are paying that much for ppm? Who are they.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=72212771&nsp=1[/URL][/QUOTE]She's clearly lying LOL. No one that far south of Atl is paying that, and sure as hell no one is driving that far south to pay that amount, especially for a black single mom. It's simple supply and demand. There are a lot of black girls, many prettier than this one, who will meet with you for way less. No way a slightly above average girl out in the sticks is going to command that kind of price. She heard something on Tiktok or Twitter about some LA or NY 9/10 getting that much and she thinks she can too. Don't waste your time.
She's really 150-200 at the max. If she lived inside the city maybe she could ask 250-300, but ask yourself if someone is already in the city, do they want to drive 45 minutes to hour to pay more than 200 for that, when you could drive 15 minutes to...anywhere in the actual city and find way prettier 300-400? Maybe less if you have some game. And if you're local to her, you're not gonna tolerate "Atlanta" prices. No, she's delusional.
I've used Fawkes in the past to modify my pics on social media and that seemed to work for a while, but now I'm finding that isn't working and it's already caused a very significant headache for me. From reading, a lot of the AI models are now able to overcome Fawkes. It seems like using AI to modify your face so that you still basically look like you, but different enough to not allow facial recognition would be a better option. Finding something that works and isn't overly technical or expensive is a bit of a challenge, but there are some good options using huggingface.co
This one makes slight modifications, but is still the same person and from limited testing AI didn't recognize me anymore. Set the rescaling to something like 1000 and fidelity to 0
[URL]https://huggingface.co/spaces/sczhou/CodeFormer[/URL].
With this one you can upload multiple pictures of yourself and it creates a completely new person with similar characteristics. You can prompt with something like "Photo of man outside img"
[URL]https://huggingface.co/spaces/TencentARC/PhotoMaker-V2[/URL]
If anyone has any other suggestions, please post them.
[QUOTE=TheAnswer4;7204884]This ***** was very rude to me. She wouldn't understand why some people don't want their real picture on the site.[/QUOTE]Many of these girls are not too bright, and also have a sense of entitlement, which is not a very attractive combination.
I just had one who messaged me out of the blue, and I didn't respond. Then she wrote me back and asked me why I didn't reply to her. I politely told her that she is very pretty but not my type, and there are so many girls on there and I am very selective. That didn't go over well and she got irritated and angry. I should have just blocked her at the start. I had to do so eventually, anyway.
[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7207456]I've used Fawkes in the past to modify my pics on social media and that seemed to work for a while, but now I'm finding that isn't working and it's already caused a very significant headache for me. From reading, a lot of the AI models are now able to overcome Fawkes. It seems like using AI to modify your face so that you still basically look like you, but different enough to not allow facial recognition would be a better option. Finding something that works and isn't overly technical or expensive is a bit of a challenge, but there are some good options using huggingface.co
This one makes slight modifications, but is still the same person and from limited testing AI didn't recognize me anymore. Set the rescaling to something like 1000 and fidelity to 0
[URL]https://huggingface.co/spaces/sczhou/CodeFormer[/URL].
With this one you can upload multiple pictures of yourself and it creates a completely new person with similar characteristics. You can prompt with something like "Photo of man outside img"
[URL]https://huggingface.co/spaces/TencentARC/PhotoMaker-V2[/URL]
If anyone has any other suggestions, please post them.[/QUOTE]Good info, and thanks for sharing. I wonder if that huggingface app is easy to install and use or do you have to compile the code or something like that?
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7204695][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3aaec11d-6ed9-416f-a017-342716cc4790[/URL]
Noor
$1000 ppm. Not really outrageous like some of the other ones, but still out if my price range.[/QUOTE]She quoted me the same, how is that not really outrageous? I used to think the girls lied when they say the get paid "$1 k or more", now I'm wondering who is paying them that much?
So far my successful rebuttal has been, yes but how long did the arrangement last? No one pays that amount long term, and a few have understood that argument and changed their tune.
[QUOTE=HardwareGuy;7208426]She quoted me the same, how is that not really outrageous? I used to think the girls lied when they say the get paid "$1 k or more", now I'm wondering who is paying them that much?
So far my successful rebuttal has been, yes but how long did the arrangement last? No one pays that amount long term, and a few have understood that argument and changed their tune.[/QUOTE]I read online that Sophie Rain made $43 M last year on Only Fans. She had one guy pay over over $5 M. One guy. $5 M. For what? I have no idea. Even if he was banging her hourly, that amount is hard to fathom.
So yeah, there are dudes that have a lot more "fuck you" money than I have and choose to spend it in ways I can not comprehend.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/85c4e0bb-d420-404d-813f-807482c893d0[/URL]
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7207914]Good info, and thanks for sharing. I wonder if that huggingface app is easy to install and use or do you have to compile the code or something like that?[/QUOTE]No app is needed. You can use their hosted instances online. My links take you directly to the working projects I've tested and there are lots more on there. They do limit your CPU time per day, but signing up for a free account gets you more time. If you are feeling really industrious, it is possible to setup your own linux distro and run it locally yourself, but that's not needed.
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7208497][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/85c4e0bb-d420-404d-813f-807482c893d0[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't waste your time, per her profile " if I put your number into my phone and it pops up green I will not be messaging you** aka she only wants to message people via iMessage so she can have your "real" info. I wouldn't even bother.
[QUOTE=FreudFro;7208435]I read online that Sophie Rain made $43 M last year on Only Fans. She had one guy pay over over $5 M. One guy. $5 M. For what? I have no idea. Even if he was banging her hourly, that amount is hard to fathom.
So yeah, there are dudes that have a lot more "fuck you" money than I have and choose to spend it in ways I can not comprehend.[/QUOTE]"Read online. " Being online does not equate to truth. Its easier to post online than it is to scrawl something on the bathroom stall. Did Sophia Rain " show you the cashed check she wrote to the IRS for $15,000,000 in taxes due? Girls will throw out stupid numbers because in general they are stupid. Just keep negotiating and read the forum to get an idea of market prices.
Booking hotels has been expensive, what are otherways? Don't want to take babies home and also they don't host.
I should buy a van with bed LOL.
Booking hotels has been expensive, what are otherways? Don't want to take babies home and also they don't host.
I should buy a van with bed LOL.
[QUOTE=FreudFro;7208435]I read online that Sophie Rain made $43 M last year on Only Fans. She had one guy pay over over $5 M. One guy. $5 M. For what? I have no idea. Even if he was banging her hourly, that amount is hard to fathom.
So yeah, there are dudes that have a lot more "fuck you" money than I have and choose to spend it in ways I can not comprehend.[/QUOTE]I simply don't believe that. Just because someone posts it?
[QUOTE=GiddenLade;7205665]I've learned the hard way that no full body pic is usually a bad gamble. Not always, but more often than not. I try to resist the temptation of meeting a girl who doesn't include at least one full body pic. Even then there's the risk of it being an old outdated pic, but at least then you know there's a chance she's still slim.[/QUOTE]Last woman I met w / out a full body pic, but really good headshots, had to weigh at least 180. That's more than a little too much when you weigh 160. Without fail, every woman I met without a full body shot was at least 20 lbs. Heavier than her pictures and usually much more. Bottom line--there's a reason women do not include a full body shot.
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7209000]
I should buy a van with bed LOL.[/QUOTE]I have an SUV that I already have set up for car camping, with a bed in the back. And I have limo tint on the back windows. It isn't super roomy, so some positions are limited, but it has worked on occasion and does save $100 vs hotel.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7209020]I simply don't believe that. Just because someone posts it?[/QUOTE]It's not just "someone" writing it.
[URL]https://people.com/onlyfans-model-made-43-million-last-year-to-her-it-doesnt-conflict-with-christian-values-exclusive-8758383[/URL]
This has been published by multiple magazines. Now, could she be bullshitting? Possibly. Maybe she should post her taxes.
Loren is real, but seemingly too shy (IMO) to pull the trigger to meet. I spent months with idle chat here and there, pleasantries, etc. She has the attention span of a gnat and thinks she is way hotter and more appealing than she is. She pops up with a new profile every few months and new photos. She's divorced with a kid and worst of all, a self-righteous attitude that's gotten worse from looking at her profile. I'd focus your time and efforts elsewhere, my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7208497][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/85c4e0bb-d420-404d-813f-807482c893d0[/URL][/QUOTE]
I have been on and off seeking arrangements on and off since 2018 and what's going on now is unprecedented. I've never seen it this bad. Yes I know GPS is rampant from all the guys that have ruined that, but GPS is not what I'm talking about here. The amount of endless texters, girls that ghost for no reason, girls that have no intention on meeting, girls that will be talking to you and just fall off the planet, etc. Is off the charts. I've seen how seeking has changed over the years, but it's a nightmare compared to just 6 mos to a year ago. What is going on out there? What are you guys experiencing? And I'm not talking about trying to land a 8-10. I'm just talking about the mid girls. Is there that much stiff competition out there now? Or is this all the result of simps? I know social media has changed the game dramatically, but I'm just comparing to 6 mos ago. Something changed.
You are legend. Limo?? Super rich. This hobby also needs a business which brings money to spend on girls. 9 to5 job is tough.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7209563]I have an SUV that I already have set up for car camping, with a bed in the back. And I have limo tint on the back windows. It isn't super roomy, so some positions are limited, but it has worked on occasion and does save $100 vs hotel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vader5;7210267]I have been on and off seeking arrangements on and off since 2018 and what's going on now is unprecedented. I've never seen it this bad. Yes I know GPS is rampant from all the guys that have ruined that, but GPS is not what I'm talking about here. The amount of endless texters, girls that ghost for no reason, girls that have no intention on meeting, girls that will be talking to you and just fall off the planet, etc. Is off the charts. I've seen how seeking has changed over the years, but it's a nightmare compared to just 6 mos to a year ago. What is going on out there? What are you guys experiencing? And I'm not talking about trying to land a 8-10. I'm just talking about the mid girls. Is there that much stiff competition out there now? Or is this all the result of simps? I know social media has changed the game dramatically, but I'm just comparing to 6 mos ago. Something changed.[/QUOTE]The hotter girls can just sell content and make money on their socials and simps will gladly dish out the cash. The average girls now think they're worth the $$ the hotter girls used to get so the market is all jacked up. Average 30-40's milfs wanting 500+ppm because that's what some hot college coed was asking before she decided to make OF content. When I first started SA 5 years ago, I was nailing 8's-9's in their early 20's all the time for half the $$ these 30-40 year old 4's & 5's are asking. It's awful. Last few girls I met up with from SA I turned down because when I saw them they were 10 years older than their pics and 25 lbs heavier.
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7209000]Booking hotels has been expensive, what are otherways? Don't want to take babies home and also they don't host.
I should buy a van with bed LOL.[/QUOTE]Honestly I'm up front with these girls, if they can't host or come to me I let them know the room price comes out of our meet allowance. I'm not paying them plus hotel each time. I've had a few here and there that are down to give a BJ or cowgirl quick ride in the pickup truck though and I'm fine with that too if it's just a quicky.
Girls are agreeing with that? Finding girls has become tougher now a days, it was so easy last year. They just want to sell content fuck them.
Recommend some places you fuck quick and BJ in car? Where do you park? What I need to be cautious in selecting the place.
[QUOTE=MacLuvin;7210823]Honestly I'm up front with these girls, if they can't host or come to me I let them know the room price comes out of our meet allowance. I'm not paying them plus hotel each time. I've had a few here and there that are down to give a BJ or cowgirl quick ride in the pickup truck though and I'm fine with that too if it's just a quicky.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MSmith3034;7209722]Loren is real, but seemingly too shy (IMO) to pull the trigger to meet. I spent months with idle chat here and there, pleasantries, etc. She has the attention span of a gnat and thinks she is way hotter and more appealing than she is. She pops up with a new profile every few months and new photos. She's divorced with a kid and worst of all, a self-righteous attitude that's gotten worse from looking at her profile. I'd focus your time and efforts elsewhere, my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much. I love this forum for reasons like this!
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7210484]You are legend. Limo?? Super rich. This hobby also needs a business which brings money to spend on girls. 9 to5 job is tough.[/QUOTE]Agree! This game / hobby now needs serious money or a lot of time to pull the talent we used to several years ago. Not the same anymore.
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7210484]You are legend. Limo?? Super rich. This hobby also needs a business which brings money to spend on girls. 9 to5 job is tough.[/QUOTE]Ha, not limo, or super rich. Not a millionaire even. 'Limo tint" is just very dark tint on windows, similar to a limo. It only lets 5% of normal amount of light in.
I average spending about $1.5 k a month on this hobby, which is still too high for me and I need to cut it down a bit. Down to $1k would be better. I wish I had about $5k a month to spend, and then could have some serious fun and do it right. You know some guys are flyings girl in from all over the country, and doing threesome with 9s, etc. But that being said, I'm still amazed I can get some hot girls and have incredible times, with my limited budget.
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7210991]
Recommend some places you fuck quick and BJ in car? Where do you park? What I need to be cautious in selecting the place.[/QUOTE]For the most part, I would "hide in plain sight" so you don't want to look too suspicious. Office park, shopping center parking lot, etc. But just get some car window covers (sunshades or curtains) and then you will have good privacy, anywhere. Weathertech makes them for most vehicles or you can make your own, or buy cheap ones off of Amazon. If you can put a divider curtain between the front seats and the back, then would look less suspicious, because then the front windows can stay uncovered.
I like having the girls get naked and give me a BJ in the back of my SUV and can usually get some breast play in there too, and even eat them out, for about half of regular ppm. You also then don't have std / pregnancy risk. But usually I still get a hotel room and CIP, just because got to do it.
[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;7204916]Isn't this one of the many crazy girls that some others have referenced in the past? She looks very familiar:
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6ed35ea4-4184-40dc-9964-0ebb13013185[/URL][/QUOTE]Not sure if she is or not but I recently saw her and had a decent time. I won't be repeating though. A rather tall lady with an average body. Set me back 300 and it included a Bare Beaver Blow Job. Every now and then I felt teeth scraping my little guy but she gave a good effort. Lots of spit and eye contact. I'm not sure if BBFS is on the table but you might could CIM since she mentioned she likes to suck.
[QUOTE=Modukolo123;7198223]What was the experience. I am talking to her and everything seems ok for now.[/QUOTE]I came to the conclusion that she might be a time waster. She's real but looks are just average. The 2 times I've seen her, there's always been an excuse when it came down to having some adult fun.
[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;7210991]Girls are agreeing with that? Finding girls has become tougher now a days, it was so easy last year. They just want to sell content fuck them.
Recommend some places you fuck quick and BJ in car? Where do you park? What I need to be cautious in selecting the place.[/QUOTE]Doesn't usually / always work the first time, but if you don't come across as a creep or kidnapper you can talk them in to a quick bbj in the back seat sometimes more. I have full size SUV with dark tinted windows and leather seats so like others say doing it in plain site is the best. You don't stand out just parked in a shopping center or something with a few cars / traffic as much as you do if you pull in to an abandoned lot which my draw uncle LEO to pull through and see if a drug deal is going down or something.
The few that have done full service in my SUV were after I'd already met them and when we meet up I give them a "couldn't book the room till 3 pm but still wanted to see you" line and they'll usually just be OK with it because they're already there and need the money.
[QUOTE=Vader5;7210267]I have been on and off seeking arrangements on and off since 2018 and what's going on now is unprecedented. I've never seen it this bad. Yes I know GPS is rampant from all the guys that have ruined that, but GPS is not what I'm talking about here. The amount of endless texters, girls that ghost for no reason, girls that have no intention on meeting, girls that will be talking to you and just fall off the planet, etc. Is off the charts. I've seen how seeking has changed over the years, but it's a nightmare compared to just 6 mos to a year ago. What is going on out there? What are you guys experiencing? And I'm not talking about trying to land a 8-10. I'm just talking about the mid girls. Is there that much stiff competition out there now? Or is this all the result of simps? I know social media has changed the game dramatically, but I'm just comparing to 6 mos ago. Something changed.[/QUOTE]It's a supply and demand issue fundamentally. I think it's b / c younger men have given up on online vanilla dating and we are now competing with them for POTs. It's a sad state of affairs that young men are paying for sex honestly. But online vanilla dating is completely broken, where the top 2-3% of dudes are banging all the girls. Take a look at MATCH groups stock price, it's crashed for a reason.
Never seen this before. Read the Heading. LOL I can bet you won't be getting conjugals once a week.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/393c304d-15f6-4f03-b5c6-4812692c4f77[/URL]
[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7214848]Never seen this before. Read the Heading. LOL I can bet you won't be getting conjugals once a week.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/393c304d-15f6-4f03-b5c6-4812692c4f77[/URL][/QUOTE]You can't blame the girl for trying! At least she is honest and not like pic sellers or scammers!