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[QUOTE=Barebacking;5428508]How much are you guys paying? I've never done a SB type of arrangement so I was wondering what the ballrate is.[/QUOTE]From around before last September I had never done more than 2 to 2. 5, but since then it's been around 3. Was seeing a nice UCR student a few months ago for 2. Great time with her. A girl I'm talking to right now wants 4. 5. Ideally I'd like to keep it at 300 or below.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;5429071]I've gotten away with 4 Benjamins w / pretty girls (at least an 8) but do know it took weeks to find a taker. Most seem to be running the 5 to 6 Benji range nowadays if you want an 8 in the looks dept. I haven't gotten lucky as I'm not willing to go those rates. If you want those profiles, I think I still have their messages on my acct. Just pm me if interested. Never met them tho but they told me directly their ppm rate so chances are they're real.[/QUOTE]IK I am a broken record, but if you're negotiating that price electronically instead of face to face, you're getting her 'escort' pricing. You could be an actual creep. Have some game, do a M&G, she might even like you / be attracted to you, and you'll get a better rate. I have had the hottest girls you can imagine, and the most I have ever paid (once) was 600, that was super special. Otherwise, 4 is my limit, I have a great steady SB at 1000/ mo for 3-4 FC meets, but sadly she is moving away. IK, 'that's what they all say,' but in her case it is true.
FirstClass1, when do you free up mailbox space? How often do you free up mailbox space? You replied to 1 of my direct messages and I cannot respond back.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5429231]IK I am a broken record, but if you're negotiating that price electronically instead of face to face, you're getting her 'escort' pricing. You could be an actual creep. Have some game, do a M&G, she might even like you / be attracted to you, and you'll get a better rate. I have had the hottest girls you can imagine, and the most I have ever paid (once) was 600, that was super special. Otherwise, 4 is my limit, I have a great steady SB at 1000/ mo for 3-4 FC meets, but sadly she is moving away. IK, 'that's what they all say,' but in her case it is true.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insult. Appreciate it. The messages I got with ppm rates are girls directly asking me what I can offer. I am a young looking guy who looks early 20 and so I don't blame them for asking or even someone asking me if I'm using a decade old picture of me. I did a screenshot of ppm msg but for some reason, it keeps giving me an error.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;5429740]Thanks for the insult. Appreciate it. The messages I got with ppm rates are girls directly asking me what I can offer. I am a young looking guy who looks early 20 and so I don't blame them for asking or even someone asking me if I'm using a decade old picture of me. I did a screenshot of ppm msg but for some reason, it keeps giving me an error.[/QUOTE]Seriously. I am talking from the girl's perspective. With a lack of complete knowledge of you, you might be. Have you ever thought a girl was hot online and from messaging, and then met up w / her and were like 'OMG, let me out of here'? That is my point. She's pricing you for her worst case scenario, that she doesn't like you much but wants the $.
When using SeekingArrangements, approximately how many women do you meet do not require a condom at any time? Whether the time is the first or not the first. Examples are 100%, 30%, 8/10,3/10, etc.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5426910]I don't use OF, but my understanding is that you can DM the girls there. If that is the case, it would work much the same as messaging on any social media platform: Twitter, Insta, etc. Depending on your game and looks, you may persuade the girl to meet you.
I've fucked gorgeous girls on Insta and Twitter after simply sending a DM.[/QUOTE]How do you open with DMs on twitter / ig for freestyle sugaring?
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5431017]When using SeekingArrangements, approximately how many women do you meet do not require a condom at any time? Whether the time is the first or not the first. Examples are 100%, 30%, 8/10,3/10, etc.[/QUOTE]Recent STD check will always be required from experience but there's always the 1%. At farfaraway. Like I said. Thank you. Not sure why you're assuming I'm negotiating 100% of the time on messages on SA but I certainly don't. There are girls I copy / paste msg though if they got nothing on their profile for me to talk about. 99% of the time, if they got nothing on their profile, they get a copy / paste response from me. Especially the ones with profiles that says be straight to the point or don't waste my time on their about me section. Those definitely respond with their ppm rate.
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5431017]When using SeekingArrangements, approximately how many women do you meet do not require a condom at any time? Whether the time is the first or not the first. Examples are 100%, 30%, 8/10,3/10, etc.[/QUOTE]50% or more do not require condom.
[QUOTE=Barebacking;5428508]How much are you guys paying? I've never done a SB type of arrangement so I was wondering what the ballrate is.[/QUOTE]Depends on age, race, their experience level, your game level, their current level of desperation, etc. How much time and energy you are willing to invest? I am a low baller yet consistently get good pussy, mostly AA (black barbie, pretty face, perfect body) as that is my preference, but have done all races.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.
[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5432764][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Excessively long profiles are usually (and generally speaking) a red flag.
Is M&G meet & greet? If it is not, what is it?
What is FC?
Is SB snapback? If it is not, what is it?
Has anybody met a gal by using SeekingArrangements by sending money to her before meeting her?
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5433178]Is M&G meet & greet? If it is not, what is it?
What is FC?
Is SB snapback? If it is not, what is it?
Has anybody met a gal by using SeekingArrangements by sending money to her before meeting her?[/QUOTE]Sup everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I start contributing.
MG = meet and greet, FC = Fuck chamber, SB = sugar baby.
For your last question, probably yea. But the chances are also real slim because its prob a scam. You'll learn to almost NEVER send any sort of payment or deposit before meeting. In my experiences, only true SBs will accept payments AFTER the meet / session. The ones that don't are either lookin to scam / rob you, or are pros. Everytime I've paid beforehand I've either been scammed or robbed of services in my experiences (which isn't much tbh).
Things I've learned and red flags as well.
Super photoshopped or doesn't seem legitimate pics = sketch.
No social media = sketch.
Asking for deposits or payments before meeting no matter what excuse they give = sketch.
They shoot you their number quick to also take conversations offline = they've done this before and aren't new to the game.
They offer a crazy menu right off the bat and promise you the world = sketch. This is where I get in trouble the most.
You meet them at a motel / hotel = sketch or a pro.
Longer their bio, higher chance of having GPS (golden pussy syndrome).
For example:
Nataliababyxo (blocked her so no link, location states LA, but really in riverside off tyler / magnolia at a motel).
So I just send everyone pretty much the same basic generic message. Might throw in a twist here or there depending on profile.
Her response: Hey baby you seemed to grab my attention if interested in meeting with me text me at at 657-XXX-4427 xoxo.
Hit her up, ask her ppm, she says 500 for 3 hours full service. And this is where I ask if they're open to other things like BBFS, swallow, CIP, CIA, knowing that either most or all will be denied. If so then ill offer a lower ppm. She said she'd do it all, on birth control, yada yada, so nothing for me to counter. I was all excited thinking "no way did I hit jackpot?" but like they say if its too good to be true it prob is. So my horny dumbass sets up the appt, drives my ass an hour out to riverside to some shady ass motel. I scope out the place first because I'm a paranoid ass, and spidey senses were tingling. Some sketchy people around since the place is already kinda shady, but no activity near the room number she finally gave so said fuck it. Went to her room and the fun begins.
Opened the door in lingerie. Didn't quite look like her pics, but still workable, just like 20 pounds heavier. Fuck it I thought, her face is kinda cute, and not like she's fat, just thick. I could work with this, esp with that menu. She asks and I give her the cash before anything begins or clarifying anything in person because I'm blinded by the menu I thought I was going to get and thought I had already made things clear with her over text. I get on the bed, and she asks if I want to turn over for the massage. I'm like nah I'm good, ill just skip straight to the fun. She gives a bs surprised stare saying she don't do that and only offer massages. I'm like I literally just talked to you earlier, we even snapchat vid called last night for face verification, was it not you I was texting? Etc. She says theres other people / her booker on the number, she doesn't set shit up, and more bs. She says hold on and begins "texting her boy / booker" she gets a call and supposedly talks him down on his crazy ass coming to the room and fucking me up or something. "No don't do that, don't do that to him, don't do anything crazy, if any shit happens the room is in my name" etc. I'm not a big dude at all, but by this point I was so pissed and annoyed on having my time wasted and being scammed again (I've got other stories, and its always getting suckered into some bs menu), I wasn't budging on not having my donation back. Not this time damn it! I just felt if this fucker shows then ill decide then if I want to square up if he's unarmed or just take the L if he is. If I take the L then I'm coming back with a brick through the window later. * can have it charged to her card lmao. I go to the area where I saw her put the donation, tho I don't know where, and she gets between me. Told her I'm leaving with at least some of it (if she gave it all back right then and there I prob would have given her 100), but shit drags on saying she can't do that she'll get in trouble, blah blah blah. I tell her I'm sorry for what her boy / booker set her up, but that's something for her to deal with her boy for putting her in that situation. Either she's honoring the menu that was given, or I'm taking at least half the donation back. She gets on her phone again and does the same trick in trying to scare me into leaving with her fake conversations. Think she was bluffing tho because I never heard a noise on the line, just her talking. This happens a couple times but I'm still standing there waiting for my shit back or someone to come in.
I try sweet talking her into anything past a massage but its still no. Felt her up a little bit mainly trying to move her aside so I can find / grab my cash but she ain't about it. Finally she gives in on giving half the donation back with no services, not even a massage, because she could tell I wasn't getting scared or going to leave empty handed I think. She pulls the cash out from where she hid it and started counting out half. I just snatched that shit right out of her hands, had already put my socks and sandals on, and bounced TF out. Didn't see no booker or whoever outside but wasn't waiting around to find out. Got in my car and left. I got real lucky this time on actually leaving with my full donation. Either case, it was my fault for thinking with my dick on some PSE type menu at a crazy rate.
Point of the story when it comes to SA: never pay for shit before meeting unless you trust her like that. Don't let your dick take over and ignore the red flags if somethings off. Just like how there's an average rate on agencies or HX, there is also one on SA. If you get anything below those rates, you either got lucky (which has happened to me before but never Hollywoodguy lucky at 100, only like 200-250) or have to meet in person first before trying to set shit up (something I've never done. I always just try to set shit up because I'm not really tryna go through the whole M&G).
Happy hunting out there and stay safe.
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5429254]FirstClass1, when do you free up mailbox space? How often do you free up mailbox space? You replied to 1 of my direct messages and I cannot respond back.[/QUOTE]I've made more room in my inbox. DM away.