Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Jwlgn309;6154644]Last couple spots I've been to (7 Day, Owen Rd), both have expected 60 for a standard HE finish, which used to be 40. I get that they only want to deal in 20's but that's too big of a jump in price to be considered reasonable. Going to stay out for a bit and see if the market cools off.[/QUOTE]I've been of the impression for a year or more that 60 is the standard donation for HE. If you're going for a 1 hour massage with HE expect to spend 120. Plenty of places are raising prices to 70 for a 1 hour massage as well. I tip 40 only if I don't get a HE. Unless the massage sucked, then they get 20.

I've been going to Owen for a couple months now regularly. I try not to frequent a single place for too long, but this place is solid.

Decent massage. They have two good looking girls. One is probably about 40 and the other is late 20's early 30's. OTC roaming is fine. The older one will allow UTC for a small upcharge. I've been getting by for 80. The younger one would probably open up but I try not to be too pushy.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]This is just a guess but she could be sending earnings to relatives. She is probably making good money and is committed to her family. She may also like her independence. She is supporting herself and possibly family and if she left this job what would she do. She wants to keep working. She doesn't want financial support or to ask you for it. She might just want to keep it at the relationship it is. There are a lot of possibilities. Asking her would be the best, she may or may not give you an answer.

[QUOTE=TJ321;6155108]I've been of the impression for a year or more that 60 is the standard donation for HE. If you're going for a 1 hour massage with HE expect to spend 120. Plenty of places are raising prices to 70 for a 1 hour massage as well. I tip 40 only if I don't get a HE. Unless the massage sucked, then they get 20.[/QUOTE]And we wonder why these girls have insane expectations about how much money they should be getting. A $40 tip on a regular $60 massage?. That's around 65% tip. What do you tip on a haircut? When you go out to dinner?

[QUOTE=AsiaPhileJake1;6155134]This is just a guess but she could be sending earnings to relatives. She is probably making good money and is committed to her family. She may also like her independence. She is supporting herself and possibly family and if she left this job what would she do. She wants to keep working. She doesn't want financial support or to ask you for it. She might just want to keep it at the relationship it is. There are a lot of possibilities. Asking her would be the best, she may or may not give you an answer.[/QUOTE]Definitely this. Children are obligated to provide for their parents in China. Most of her money goes back home. It would complicate things if she gets involved. She might also have a boyfriend or husband back home. Not uncommon.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]There could be several financial reasons she is in the business, all of which I've heard reference to.. Supporting family in one way or another, either through direct financial support or paying for goods and / or services for them; has a gambling habit she wants / needs to pay for; or perhaps likes to buy herself nice and expensive things. She may refuse to talk about it because she simply wants to keep her motivation private, or perhaps there's a certain level of shame she's dealing with. When it serves their purpose, these ladies can be incredibly (and sometimes maddeningly) taciturn.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]Almost all of these women are working here to take care of their families back home in China. I was in a similar situation as yours. I fell for one of these girls. The girl I know sends tens of thousands of dollars a month back home. She is financially supporting her husband and children, mother and father, and brother. Even her extended family, aunts and uncles are all in line for a handout. So unless you are mentally and financially prepared to take on the burden you will never get her to leave the spa life. These Chinese women also love their high end brands. The girl I know buys Rolex watches and Louis Vuitton handbags. So on top of supporting her family you will need to supply her with plenty of gifts like that. None of these women enjoy working in a spa or doing the deeds that go along with it. But their love of money outweighs their hate of the job.

Having feelings for these girls is a bad idea. It will never be a real relationship and you will never know the real person inside. These women lie about everything. They have a lot of secrets. Most of these women are damaged beyond repair. My advice is to walk away while you can and don't look back.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]A lot of the people that have commented have given some real scenarios. If you want to know her situation, I think you are going to have to ask her.

Sitting her down and being blunt with her about what you are interested in and asking her what her situation is or asking what would it take to make that happen.

Will give you your answer.

I am not sure some of the numbers are accurate. The house takes a percentage, and they had to pay for a flight or get spotted with interest.

I can't see them producing 100's of thousands of dollars to send home and LV handbags, but I could be wrong.

It sounds more like setting an expectation of what they would need to leave.

Advice is to sit down with her ASAP and ask her, to see if she will be honest with you and if that is what she wants.

The faster you do it. The less pain it will be and you will know not to invest more time in her.

On the other side it could work out you just never know.

If it does not work out, invest in a trip to the phillapines. Lots of nice good looking young girls who would be interested.

[QUOTE=IronMan74;6155535]And we wonder why these girls have insane expectations about how much money they should be getting. A $40 tip on a regular $60 massage?. That's around 65% tip. What do you tip on a haircut? When you go out to dinner?[/QUOTE]50% on a haircut and 25% at a restaurant. Tips are how these folks live. If I can afford to pay someone to do what I don't want to I can afford to tip them well. That's how you get extras in the future.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]As many have said, this situation you have is probably family related. She probably has family back home she is supporting, she may even be married. I have over the years been able to get to know a few ladies due to being a long-time regular. Never though to the level of seeing them outside the building. One was a Korean lady who owned a home in the Philadelphia area that her husband, couple kids, and elderly mother lived. She worked in Chicago because she wanted to be far enough from home so her family wouldn't find out what she did. She was supporting everybody. She would work like 6 months, go home for two months, then come back. Another Korean lady I got to know was divorced and had kids in the states and she would talk about how they would come and visit her. Another Korean had family back in Korea she was supporting. Point being, these ladies are here all alone for long periods of time and get lonely. Sounds like you are a nice guy, so you help them get through their days. But don't count on anything long-term.

[QUOTE=PeterNorth9;6156810]Point being, these ladies are here all alone for long periods of time and get lonely. Sounds like you are a nice guy, so you help them get through their days. But don't count on anything long-term.[/QUOTE]I think that's a very salient point. If you're nice, friendly and safe, you can provide an alternate and *temporary* environment for them to be relaxed and comfortable in, away from the monotonous grind of endless and impersonal HEs and the closed-in four walls of the physical environment.

[QUOTE=TJ321;6156684]50% on a haircut and 25% at a restaurant. Tips are how these folks live. If I can afford to pay someone to do what I don't want to I can afford to tip them well. That's how you get extras in the future.[/QUOTE]I can certainly understand the 25% tip at a restaurant. I would only consider a 50% tip for a haircut if I was going to a place like costcutters where the haircuts are cheap and stylists are underpaid. 65% tip for massage without HE? That would have to be an amazing massage.

Are you proposing marriage to this woman or just "dating"? I am not sure any woman should leave a job just for dating. She then relies on you and what if you decide you don't want to date her anymore, she is just stuck. Not surprised at all that she would hesitate to give up financial independence for "dating".

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Preston902;6157326]Are you proposing marriage to this woman or just "dating"? I am not sure any woman should leave a job just for dating. She then relies on you and what if you decide you don't want to date her anymore, she is just stuck. Not surprised at all that she would hesitate to give up financial independence for "dating".[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. That is her job. Take it or leave it!

I know you say it's not about the sex. But here, on USASG, it's always about the sex. So please tell us about it. How often are you nailing her, in what positions, and where do you finish? We don't want to hear if she's a considerate lover or about her home life, just if she's got a good head game and where we can meet her. We've all traveled as far as Chicago for a piece so please share.

[QUOTE=PackerBacker4;6154410]Hello fellow Madison mongers. Some of you may role your eyes, laugh to yourself or even think I am a fool for sharing this, but I think there may be others like me who have the same question or situation and would like some feedback either way. My situation consists of this. I have been a customer of several spas in the Midwest and in southern states for over 3 years now. At one time it was my addiction. Often frequenting them weekly. During my ventures I have met 6 ladies who I have become very good friends with. About a year ago, I had seriously bonded with one in particular near Chicago, dating off and on while I lived in Madison. The affection and love was very mutual, however it was the most unconventional relationship you could ever imagine. We spent time outside the spa on short dates and small vacations, these events occurred once a month and spanned over a year. Even though I knew of her work, I tolerated the work thinking that I could "rescue" her from the business and provide for her. Her motives were innocent and never once took advantage of my kindness or asked for financial means. All ventures were organized and created by myself. I'm pushing 55, a business owner and mature enough to know her intensions were never to be hurtful. The issue was commitment, I couldn't get her to leave the spa. I know what many are thinking, that she used me for gifts and small amounts of freedom. That's literally not the case. After about 3 months now of what we called a breakup, her and I are connecting again but I am still unable to get her out of that situation that is unexplainable. Is she a prisoner of sorts to some debt she cannot escape? I don't want the heartache again, but damn have I been hooked on her. It's not even the sex, she has an amazing and kind personality. Sounds dumb, but I can't figure out the secret life that is being hidden regarding why she is here working the spa, can't leave the spa, nor will discuss anything about it. What are your thoughts fellas? Anyone else have such an experience or understand the secrecy? Is this a prison sentence we cannot ever overcome? TIA for those who respond with a respectful outlook.[/QUOTE]