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[QUOTE=GreenMount28;6988695]Question: Thanks in advance. Which places do not charge for singles? Everyplace I have gone to lately where I ask for singles I always get a 10% charge and there are no signs posted (except for holiday) nor does the bartender tell me before. Sometimes I like to have a nice band and my banks too cheap for those LOL.[/QUOTE]I've never been charged for getting singles.
[QUOTE=GreenMount28;6988695]Question: Thanks in advance. Which places do not charge for singles? Everyplace I have gone to lately where I ask for singles I always get a 10% charge and there are no signs posted (except for holiday) nor does the bartender tell me before. Sometimes I like to have a nice band and my banks too cheap for those LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CocaCvs;6988839]I've never been charged for getting singles.[/QUOTE]Heh, the better question is which places are charging for singles?
[QUOTE=TenSleep;6988308]Speaking as a guy who probably ranks between "not bad for his age to Hideous Troll", depending on the angle and the girl making the judgement call, I would imagine the amount of $$ she wants to charge me might be an indication as to whether she sees me as "Not Bad" or "Hideous Troll". LOL.[/QUOTE]So I'm a baby face guy. When I was younger I had no facial hair. I can saybas fact, strippers will literally solicit sex from you if your hot. There were many times me and fellow associates (models, actors, etc) were jerked off then asked for VIP. I even had a star stripper on the trip ask to exchange my oral for her sex.
Strippers.
[QUOTE=SuperFreakOMG3;6989106]Heh, the better question is which places are charging for singles?[/QUOTE]It was ST when I was there for the drink specials. Also I think knockouts when I was there a month ago charged me. The holiday also charges but they have signs at the bar. When I go to some clubs out of state waiters will walk around with bands asking people if they want change LOL.
[QUOTE=GreenMount28;6989718]It was ST when I was there for the drink specials. Also I think knockouts when I was there a month ago charged me. The holiday also charges but they have signs at the bar. When I go to some clubs out of state waiters will walk around with bands asking people if they want change LOL.[/QUOTE]Last time I went to Knockouts, they had pre-bundled stacks of ones. And each stack had $18. They don't even tell you they take 10% so unless you count it, you don't really know. I figured it out cause I ended up not spending the ones and counted it when I got home. I got 2 stacks and both stacks were like that so I don't think it was a mistake on their part.
[QUOTE=CaseyX;6988556]I've had it go both ways. Sometimes the negotiation in the VIP results in her dropping from her initial ask to something reasonable pretty quickly when she realizes that that's the only way she's going to make money beyond the room fee. Sometimes she holds to her number and I end up with a vanilla dance. Either way you have to stick to your guns and not let the little head take charge. I think more often than not she caves in my experience but that will vary depending on how hot / popular the girl is and how busy the club is. It's probably better to negotiate before going back and I often do. But I've also had dancers turn me down out on the floor and then accept that number in the VIP on the next visit.[/QUOTE]Yes, I prefer to negotiate in VIP for a couple reasons. Like Casey says once she's in the room she can't make any more money unless she gets you to tip. So make sure you're ready to pass if you can't agree on the price. I make sure she can get me hard, no point otherwise of course, and the first few mins is my chance to look out for red flags to abort. Give her a chance to get comfortable for me to make her decision easy. Then she asks me if I want something more. I make it clear I want sex for 2. You want to name the starting price.
Shay, Diamond, Mona took 2 on the spot without hesitation, because it's their price. Girls like Melanie and Pink didn't even tell me what to tip them, they love our dicks that much. So I gave 2. Rarely a girl is more but I only pay if I think she's worth it.
Some girls will take that 2 and raise it and then it's up to you. But from comparing notes with others here she might take a 2 and raise it to 3 while if you started at 4 she'd raise it to 5. That's not hard to handle, you have to make your decision either way. Most veterans would say to hold firm and most girls will give in, but it is everybody's own decision.
Other girls have GPS and either their minimum price is high and they won't go lower or they'll only go lower if they like you. One girl told me she charges guys she'd fuck A, while she quotes guys she doesn't want to fuck B. If they're willing to pay a crazy high rate of B, then she'll do it. I avoid most GPS girls to begin with by tipping the girl at the rail and letting her come to me. I'm not the most attractive guy so any girl who comes to me has told me they are down for business. I've only tipped $5-$15 so they have no idea if I have a low or high budget at this point, and I always hesitate if I'm really even going to get a dance with them. If they give me a good vibe and attitude on the floor, I've had a high success rate. Maybe I've been lucky but in any case I try what works.
There are long-time veterans at clubs like SR who don't do extras, they don't need to. So if you are at SR where it's uncertain, the girl will usually tell you on the floor that more is available. You can just ask. I always say it's not what I'm there for but curious if it's available, so they know it's a matter of price before we do anything. At SR and Synn 2 is the most common price for me, I've heard some guys go lower and certainly a few girls only do higher. ymmv
Occasionally I have my eyes set on a girl I really like, so I don't have much choice but to approach her even though I know it might be GPS or high prices. However, since I actually thought she was worth paying more, and I have plenty of money, we worked something out. Most I paid was 4 for a girl that was honestly worth more. But I'm not going to tell her that. I actually saw her again for 4. She was a 10 in my book. I have been quoted 6, 8, 10 by a few girls who were not half as hot as the girl I paid 4 for. Don't take it personally, just move on. It is part of the game.
You would think once they realize "shit I'm locked in for the next 15/30 minutes in this VIP, I might as well take this X tip instead of nothing at all".
[QUOTE=KevlarProof;6991329]You would think once they realize "shit I'm locked in for the next 15/30 minutes in this VIP, I might as well take this X tip instead of nothing at all".[/QUOTE]This is very true. I was negotiating with a girl on the floor not in the room. We agreed on a price, but she started asking weird questions and making restrictions. I didn't say anything and started walking away. She caved pretty quickly and even said she was willing to go down more.
It's not the exact same situation as you mentioned, but similar idea to where if you are firm in giving her a take it or leave it, there's a good chance she'll take it rather than walking away with nothing at all.
[QUOTE=KevlarProof;6991329]You would think once they realize "shit I'm locked in for the next 15/30 minutes in this VIP, I might as well take this X tip instead of nothing at all".[/QUOTE]Girls who are desperate for business would solicit openly on the floor. Just go along with it and negotiate with them. Be specific on what you want before going to VIP to avoid misunderstanding. Some newbies won't discuss it even if they're dtf because they're overly cautious. They want you to at least take them to a regular lap dance and see you to incriminate yourself before they tell you their menus. They also want to see how you conduct yourself. If you aggressively fingerbangs her in a regular lap dance (and if she doesn't like it) then she probably won't offer you anything. Some girls, especially the popular ones, would only discuss their menus in VIP. They want to make sure you can afford VIP before disclosing anything. There are lots of lookie loos at the clubs. Girls want to avoid telling men all the nasty shit they are willing to do without knowing if they have money for it.
With all these discussion with tip after VIP, what happens if price is too high? Do you even tip some afterwards, does dance just end or does it just end up being a 15 min redundant lap dance?
[QUOTE=CumDripp;6992559]With all these discussion with tip after VIP, what happens if price is too high? Do you even tip some afterwards, does dance just end or does it just end up being a 15 min redundant lap dance?[/QUOTE]Price too high = enjoy the low-mileage dance, keep it flirty and fun, make sure you and her enjoy the dance. If I want to see her again and try again at extras in the future then I'll tip her no more than $20 or try to get away with not tipping. If I don't want to see her again (aka she has a bad attitude) I'll fight to not pay a tip.
I prefer to do my negotiations in the VIP and not on the floor. I don't do that for the reasons mentioned by other users (girls are willing to take a lower bid since they're already stuck back there), I do it because it increases my odds of getting freebies.
I have a eye on Bella.
What I'm looking for send me some mileage ill send some explicit content of a few dancers I plowed. Delicious.
Stunna no mileage don't even.
Khalifa extreme gps & a little slow she seems to be on drugs from her pimp.
Kayalani too much. $500 WTF no.
Destiny she is dating the security guard in front but her bf was trying to get at Dior from Synn LOL.
Royalty was there last night but she can take a pounding for $250 just walk out when she wants to charge more for a nut.
[QUOTE=SuperFreakOMG3;6992654]Price too high = enjoy the low-mileage dance, keep it flirty and fun, make sure you and her enjoy the dance. If I want to see her again and try again at extras in the future then I'll tip her no more than $20 or try to get away with not tipping. If I don't want to see her again (aka she has a bad attitude) I'll fight to not pay a tip.
I prefer to do my negotiations in the VIP and not on the floor. I don't do that for the reasons mentioned by other users (girls are willing to take a lower bid since they're already stuck back there), I do it because it increases my odds of getting freebies.[/QUOTE]Pros and cons on negotiating in the VIP. Pro. She wants her "tip". The con is she can burndown the clock. For a 15 minute VIP, 5 minutes of negotiating burned 1/3rd of the time and she still wants the same tip as if she worked the full 100% of the time.
[QUOTE=CumDripp;6992559]With all these discussion with tip after VIP, what happens if price is too high? Do you even tip some afterwards, does dance just end or does it just end up being a 15 min redundant lap dance?[/QUOTE]By default I don't even take a girl unless she gives me a great vibe on the floor. My success rate on just a dance has been high, I don't always go for extras since I sometimes want to see several girls in a night and finish later. I'm in no rush to find a girl to bang, it can be the next girl no problem.
I have two separate pockets for money, one I can pull out for a girl and the other zipped up with a lot more. I shuffle it over after every dance with enough for the house fee so I can say "oh let me see..wow I really do have just 200 on me" - take it or leave it. Other people have some variation of this system.
Once you're in VIP you get a clear picture of how things are going. If I get a feeling she's going to ask high I cut her off and act ambivalent "I don't want it from every girl" and keep her going. Or shut it down with "I want to get to know you first with a dance, if you're good I'll tip you and maybe ask for more later". I don't even bother with that unless I care, I am looking to get a dance or two before I bang anyways.
At SR you can get a good dance and don't have to tip, at Synn every girl needs a tip to survive so the strategy depends on the club too. I will tip a girl if she is very good.
Of course you can sometimes do a 2 for 4 or special to get an idea first. I like the SR $100 for 10 specials early weekends for that. And the Synn 2 for 4 was a great way since some girls sucked and other girls gave me a VIP's worth right there so we just continued where we left off in the VIP.
You are there to have fun so do it your way. This is the other reason I don't bother with hard negotiation. Yes some girls will negotiate on the floor so I'll do that but many girls won't first time so it is a judgement call of their attitude and how much you'll like them.
Whats carmen mileage at paradise??