This is getting more and more weird.
[QUOTE=Corona Two; 1164561]I guess I was lucky as she dated me because she liked me. I bought her a $2000 gift for Christmas and paid for meals and movies or whatever but that's it. She bought me clothes including a 400 dollar pair of jeans and a 300 dollar wallet. So I don't think shewas using me for money.
Others find guys at something called a host bar. Where girls pay guys to hang out with them. Some girls get addicted and even become a sugar mama for a host they like. [/QUOTE]I'm glad she liked you so much, but it sounds like that $700 clothes investment paid off well for her.
And do they have any of those "host bars" here in New England? I need to find me a sugah mama, and she doesn't even need to be OS quality, Red Rose type will be OK if they have enough $.
"Everybody Knows" Leonard Cohen
[QUOTE=Corona Two; 1164171]What a weird ride. I went to One Spa based on replies to my first post on this board.
Reminds me of the song I heard from watching "Exotica" back in the 90's.
"Everybody Knows"
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows
Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows.
There are more words you can look up to the song
Re: your numbers don't add up
[QUOTE=Corona Two; 1164171]What a weird ride. I went to One Spa based on replies to my first post on this board.
And I promised to write a review and I didn't. And I'm sorry.
But the reason is because I met a girl there and I guess being an idiot who doesn't do this type of thing too often, I fell in love with her, and while she probably didn't love me, she liked me too. So we dated and I didn't want her to find out I was writing reviews on the board. Oh well. It's over now.
Some things that kind of bothered me but I'm not so sure about.
The owners of One Spa have a reputation for being "psychos"? If a girl makes them mad, they make a huge scene and "fire" the girls or whatever. I used to think they might be human trafficking victims from all the stories, but I learned a lot.
They really aren't sex slaves.
But I heard the owners at One Spa treat their girls very badly with a lot of verbal abuse calling them ugly and whatever. They also charge the girls $1000 a week for food, and $300 for 250 condoms, even though a box of 1000 condoms is only $120. This makes me kind of pissed off, but I don't know.
But the girls take it because the economy is bad all over the country, and One Spa is one of the few places where girls make tons of money. Some girls make $40, 000 in one month even after being ripped off $1000 a week and also paying for condoms.
She also says there is a lot of stress because:
1. There is only one bathroom that 8 girls have to share. So they have to sleep late and wake up early, and therefore get very little sleep.
2. The owners are psychos.
3. There are a lot of dumbass customers who waste their time. For example, a customer will go for a massage. ONLY a massage. They pay the mamasan $60 and the girl $0. In that situation the girl literally makes $0 and they have to take it because the owner makes $60 no matter what. Other customers will literally go all the way and have sex and either be "short" of the standard $140, or will have no money at all. And in those cases, the girls again get screwed. And the owners don't care, as long as they make their $60.
Also, finding out the real ages of the girls is pretty amazing. For example, Gigi is very pretty I thought. But I heard she's turning 40. She's only been in the business for a few years, though, so I wonder what she looked like when she was in her 20's and wasn't selling sex. Whoever dated her was very lucky. But then again, I also was shocked to learn about how much plastic surgery these girls get. Some spend $100, 000 on their face alone. I think I heard Julie was 30, and I would have guessed more like 21. She too had a ton of plastic surgery.
My advice on ever dating a girl. Don't fall in love. Just enjoy it for what it is. They are very different people. Meeting someone from a different country and getting along is hard enough. But meeting someone from the massage parlor culture is completely whack.
Just remember, there are plenty of people who go bankrupt, are poor, need money. Whatever. But they still work regular jobs and would never ever think of selling their bodies for sex. It's apparent to me that none of these massage parlor girls are sex slaves and are doing it out of their own free will. So anyone who is willing to sell their body for sex out of their own free will is wired a little bit differently. [/QUOTE]How much spa experience do you have. How long you date this girl? You based this on talking to just ONE girl? How many times did you go to One Spa. Your conclusions in some cases do not seem supportable. 1000 per week for food? (That's nearly 4 star dining level) Are you sure? That's clearly a ripoff that would stop them from recruting top girls; thus hurting their client base and hurting their basic business model.
You're right on one thing and seem now to get it: the national sex slave issue is 99% ginned up hysteria with virtually nothing to back it particularly as it concerns AMPs, never proven as a national systemic issue the way the media has spun it. In essence they've made isolated cases (Russian mafia in Canada, and Mexican border cases, two examples) into a far larger deal. As for facts or proof? Not necessary. For example a key govt statistic (to get the alleged 10's of 1000's of "victims) presumes by definition. That any girl arriving from asia who works in the spa business within 6 months MUST be working against their will. Absolutely nonsense but an entire paternalistic and consdescending "rescue" industry. (also very profitable in that it sells seminars and training sessions to LE all over the USA).has been built around stats like this. Even the Providence Journal couldn't find the promised AMP sex slaves they were alleging for years to have overidden the city.
You said some girls make 40k per month. Even working 24 hrs a day I don't see how that is likely. There is a stripper-working girl or two in town that can approach that but spa girls its next to impossible, because FS takes more than 15 minutes, they have to wait for customers to show up (top strippers can line up as many FS (itc or otc motel) customers as they are willing to approach in a club) , Plus spa girls have other things going on with the TS and massages etc. All time consuming, plus spas balance the workload out, preventing a super hot girl like Julie from cornering all the customers. How would you ever have seen Julie anyways? Was she the girl you "dated? She was only there 2 weeks in October? OS has at least 2 bathrooms, I've seen both, butt 8 girls can only use one? 100k for plastic surgery? Very very rare for these girls. Plus you're suggesting alot of screw and not pay customers. You say OS doesn't care. Well unhappy workers makes it bad for everyone. Money is upfront for most unless you're trusted as far I'm aware.
"Maxim Cover Girl" Jackie from OS. Followup
A shortcut term, but somewhat accurate, and maybe someone else agreed. Tried to get the straight story from the 2 mamasans, but the reason why (new) Jackie is no longer at or planning to return to OS possibly has something to to with some sugar daddy, perhaps one very very weallthy.
I did some reviews on (new) Jackie in January. What made her unusual is a number of factors. First, she had a sort of Maxim Cover girl look, very striking, legs a bit too skinny (typical of model types) but nice body, and at 5-7 very very hot. Think Kelly LeBrock and a bit of the Jacquline Bissette rolled into one, both in their prime. By Foxy standards top 1. I know of only one hotter model-type stripper in town, and she just retired. You really have to go to NYC to run into girls at this level, and that's outside of spas. Plus she has a fairly decent personality, and good sense of humor. Technique also excellent. Now she was at least a light smoker, not too noticeable to be a problem but she did offer GFE which made it quite enjoyable. This girl can really kiss too. The tip I gave her an amazing bargain, it was like making love to a cover girl, and a very pleasant one at that.
I ended up doing 3 sessions with her. She arrived on Jan 11th when I had my first session and I did two more later. I got sidetracked with Nicole and (new) Bonny) but I carefully made sure what her expected leave date was, which she affirmed as Feb 9th because I would have probably done 6 sessions total, rare for me but worth it with her. However she unexpectedly left on Feb 1st, which I understood per Mamasan at the time meant back to San Diego. Now Mamasan tells me a customer took her to Foxwoods that week. No payment to spa apparently either. Open issue whether that (in and of itself) created a problem about her being able to come back here or not. Not sure on that one.
Strange thing was in late February Mamasan said she was 100% sure Jackie was going to return within a month or so. Then later story changed to she's "never coming back". Why they were so sure, I never understood. Recently I talked with both Mamasans and spread some cash around to try to at least figure out what happened. Looks like a sugar daddy mistress deal, that's what my impression was. To take a girl like Jackie off the table, would be very very expensive. It would have to be 10 to 15k a month min cash to her, if not more, because she's is a top earner. Either that or able to offer her some incredible lifestyle.
I guess that's it for the so-called "Maxim Cover girl." There are alot of lurkers in here, and perhaps someone spotted the Maxim reference, not a problem because I didn't have a thing for this girl per se, preferring variety, Howver if I ever come across again a girl similar to "K" from Bali in Oct 2009, a dream spa girl IMHO, I don't think I will review her, instead keep quiet, just in case.
Re: comments on 40k per month
If you take 1 or 2 of the biggest money making stripper-working girls in Providence, (real world 8. 5's, in club the 9. 5 to 10's look like models with the 6 inch stripper heels etc shoes and stage lights etc) they can make $100 to $200 in 20 to 25 minute increments including setup time right in the club by offering FS quickies or BBBJ's. Of course many customers are broke, so its not continuous. Then they can also lineup higher paying guys for the full GFE near hr long sessions in the 200 to 300 range for the motel later. (the motels costs these girls next to nothing by sharing keys with other girls). Plus they will ocassionally pick up a cash heavy customers on night shift that wants to score the hottest chick in the club, and these guys will sometimes pay 700 to 1k or more, maybe 2 hr sessions or whatever, msog and anal or even more in some cases. Plus these girls have core FS OTC regs groups of (one case 25 to 35 guys) plus they got regular non-sex customers ITC customers. Yes. 40k is possible but would take alot of hrs. 20k is though routinely being done, and that's w / o being on-call almost 16 hrs a day like spa girls. The key advantage stripper-working girls have over spa girls.is that's its much easier getting guys to walk in a strip club than walk into a spa, and the hottest girls generally win, no need to spread around the clients to balance things off. Its often a matter of how many guys a stripper is willing to solicit each day. Remember these are only girls few guys would turn down. They would be stunning in appearance.
At a spa a girl like Julie I could see MIGHT be able to make 40k, and that's because others have mentiioned Juliie has appointments lined up in her established locales at least (not Providence) plus I think she gets more than $140. I offered Julie approx 1500 to $ 2, 000 worth of business over her rotation (expected 3 weeks left) if she would go heavy kissing GFE. Of couirse she declined, Ok, a dumb deal. Given her personality (not great) and the fact she smokes. Not sure why I even offered it. However, sounds to me like she get offers like that all the time, because I was tipping her at an absurd rate (even for me) at $250 instead of 140 anyways. I got like 2 lip kisses lasting like 3 seconds each. And the 2nd session afterr I sort of snuck in DATY she cut the session short by 15 minutes, which is rare for me Julie who was obviously able to make megabucks anyways working on her own terms. Also Jackie might have a shot at 40k, because she knows how to selectively use GFE, but then again the fact that she left early to go to Foxwoods or whatever, suggests business not that good anyways.
Spa girls as takeout commodities
As an alternative theory B, the point I was making in regard to Jackie was that the Mamasan was very insistent that Jackie was never coming back, but she seemed to be hesitant to elaborate how that could happen, except previously having said how Jackie (at some point) had told her about trip to Foxwoods or wherever. Jackie and the mamasan (the sort of pretty one) are friends and in contact at various times. LIke I said the Mamasan went. In the matter of a few weeks. From 100% certainty of return. To her never coming back. Looks like a 'firing" of some type, when looked at that way.
After telling the Mamasan about her gambling trip, maybe the owner somehow found out the real reason she cut short her OS scheduled time, was to run off to Foxwoods with a customer, thus violating the implied or explciit agreement she has with the spa. Yes, they're independent contractors at some level, but they are dependent upon the affiliated group giving them work at different locales as part of their rotations. .
Its always been my impression if you took a spa girl out on a gambling trip that would cut short her expected contract time at OS, you'd want to clear it with the spa first and settle on a price, as it possibly presents at some level interference of contract issues. Yes, such contracts (based on the substance of what they do) are void for public policy reasons anyways, but in practical terms that's what you would have to do. Assuming the spa girl wants to keep working in that affiliated group.