Motels vs Private Residences
[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4321970]Whenever I've had to bail, at motels, its always been because of the potential of a close encounter with thugs with badges very nearby. Or, in one case (not in New England) because I was challenged at the front desk. That was at an Extended Stay type of place in NJ where it was necessary to walk by the front desk in a very small office in order to get to the rooms. So, I will no longer patronize girls that insist on staying in such places.
But there have also been times when I've had to bail before entering private incalls, because of the perceived presence of thugs WITHOUT badges. And although I used to TOFTT with unknown, unreviewed backpage girls a few years ago, these days, I will NEVER go to ANY incall without EXTENSIVE intel concerning safety, from reliable sources. Indeed, that is one of the main reasons that I am on this board so much.[/QUOTE]Hey, sorry to intrude on your thread. Was surfing around, stumbled in here and saw this discussion which is near to my heart!
Nice to see a dude who does extensive recon!
RE: Hotels. In my area there was a dude who was promoting girls on line. Yeah, post FOSTA / SESTA the dude had a website and all. Anyway a link got posted at that time to the affidavit that LE filed in support of a search warrant. (wish I could still find that link) But a read of the affidavit was quite telling on "techniques" and methods used. Dude was set up in a B / C grade hotel, rented the exact same room every week day.
In order to bust the the dude, LE conducted surveillance. One could read about the days / dates that some of the surveillance was conducted. So I guess if mongers had gone to the motel early, done a bit of recon ahead of time, they might have seen the surveillance? After all, LE needs to be "in line of sight" of the action, no? Isn't recon one of "the rules?
Next, because LE was limited in resources, they set up a camera on a nearby pole aimed at the room where the dates were happening. Yeah, seems like we slip further & further into 1984 or The Matrix as time goes by. From that pole cam LE was able to record dudes coming & going into the room. And oh, wouldn't you know it most all of the dudes parked right in front of the room, so their ass-end was pointing directly at the cameras and their license plate in full view! (Point is in nearby states (2) there are no front plates!) So as things "went down" with LE, several mongers got telephone calls at their home numbers, obtained from a DMV search. Only ONE monger reported to me that he had parked at a business nearby and walked to the room, so his plate probably wasn't captured by the cams.
(Along this line: what is anyone doing "boxing them self in" by pulling into a parking space? I was always taught to park headed out or in a way that can't be boxed in! I dated a girl at a motel once and had the option of pulling into a space in front of her room, took instead the option to park in a space that was parallel to the flow of traffic. Turned out to be a good decision as half way through the date the pimp showed up and I needed to get out of there fast. IF I had pulled in, when the dude tried to box me in, he would have been successful!
Then talk about surveillance, the dude running this operation, "for safety reasons" had a go pro camera set up in the room recording the date! Girl had to give a signal at some point that she was OK, as the dude was watching from his car outside and if she didn't signal he would rush in. But the key is that the dude was dumb enough to hold onto EVERY video he ever took! This is known as he was messing with an under-aged girl, who asked him via FB texting to delete the videos he took of them having sex and he stated something like "I can't delete my past!" Reports are that the dude had 2- 3 mega hard drives in his house to store all of his vids, pictures, etc. ! So again, another reason to be aware of one's surroundings!
Oh and private residences are no "sure thing" either. I tried a girl who was in a bungalow behind a main house. Went in to LR and she wanted to date there. Wasn't too long into proceedings that some dude jumped out from the shadows of the DR and caused a scene. Have dated in Apartments where I am sure there was someone else hiding in the bathroom or another bedroom. That of course is not my preference as it presents risks as well.
But residences pose another risk. With dudes coming & going all of the time neighbors are sure to take notice. This kind of activity is often interpreted as drug activity and gets reported fast and gets the immediate attention of LE. Dated a girl who I picked up for my dates, but eventually she got herself set up with a roomie (female) in a house. Sure enough the comings & going were reported to LE as suspected drug trafficking. Would have hated to be the monger who was [I] in flagrante delicto[/I] when LE made their raid on the place!
But hey, this is a risky hobby and everyone is free to evaluate the risks, take risk reducing measures and make their own decisions on dating! Me? I have settled into a style where I meet a new girl in public. Fast cash or rip-off artists usually won't do that. From there I often take the girl to a place of my choosing. For me it all comes down to control of the situation. Where does the power lie? I have it initially because she wants something I have. I can choose to use that to my advantage or give it up to her.
Hey, I'm just saying! Stay safe amigos!
Law Enforcement Called Mongers At Home
[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4341688]I agree with everything you said, but I'm confused by the quote above. Are you implying that it was thugs with badges that called people? Or thugs without badges? Because this is not the usual modus operandi of LE, as far as I undertand things. They don't call people on the phone. But scam phone calls from thugs WITHOUT badges, posing as LE, and threatening all kinds of shit, are common place--I get them all the time, for crap totally unrelated to whoring. I just delete them.[/QUOTE]Yes, to clarify things. Law Enforcement. This was a long (months) on-going investigation by the FBI and Local LE focused on collecting evidence against the proprietor (pimp) of the website.
Dudes reported on this site that LE called them at home in regard to dating at that motel. Those dudes who were contacted, posted seeking advice on what to do or to offer warning to others.
I am not aware of what is "the usual modus operandi" of any LE, just reporting what happened in this case, fwiw. Perhaps LE is "evolving" or adapting in their styles and techniques? For me, understanding what has been done in the past allows me to evaluate steps that might be taken to reduce risk.
I have heard about dudes getting scam calls by thugs etc. I have had idle threats from girls before trying to extort me. But if one is following the rules, then they are using an app number layered on a burner phone. Seems like the way to get a call from LE at home or on a regular number is:
1) IF LE gets your name / info from vehicle registration or.
2) If one makes a date from a phone registered in your real name.
(am I missing anything else?
I would think an App number allows one to block the thugs attempting a shakedown and that usually ends it. That has worked for me. Just blocking a number. However, IF the scammers get persistent by using different numbers, then I dump the App number & get a new App number. The extreme case is when nefarious types end up with the burner number then it is time to send the phone swimming and start over. Thankfully only had to do that once and I was probably paranoid and over-reacting! Seems like the only "thugs" with enough resources and legality to find you at home would be the Gubmint?
All for what its worth. Stay safe amigos!
Not sure why the truth isn't believed!
[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4342839]Do you have a link or a post number regarding these reports about LE calling people? I realize that our 1st and 4th Amendment rights are becoming a thing of the past. But this business of LE calling people sounds EXTREMELY fishy to me. It seems more likely that these are thugs without badges who got the plate numbers during the motel visit to the hoe, and are trying to extort people. Or maybe even thugs WITH badges who have access to plate number data, also trying to extort people.
Has anyone else ever heard of this business of LE calling people like this? Because I haven't. I would actually like to communicate directly with anybody that got such calls, in order to learn in detail more about this, if it actually happened to them.[/QUOTE]Sounds fishy to you? LOL! I dunno, whenever I "think" I know something in the hobby is when it teaches me a lesson! Just because I have never heard of any of this doesn't make it false! But hey if one wishes to operate on that basis, no skin off my teeth! I'm just saying.
Oh wait! It just hit me, someone who is LE friendly would have an interest in dissuading others from paying attention to these techniques and tactics! After all if too many take heed, then LE will have to come up with new techniques!
Maybe what you aren't comprehending is that the FBI was after a PIMP who was running a website. The calls to mongers were not to jam up the monger's for solicitation, but to collect evidence against the pimp. Perhaps there is more of this in the future as Federal Prosecutors build their case and compels testimony of customers captured on tape? Of course, the mongers could lie to Federal Officials and deny sex occurred and then get jammed up when the Pimps go-pro videos prove otherwise? When you have a dude, who picks up girls in one state, drives them across state lines to do "dates", controls when or IF the girls work, takes money from them and in some cases requires them to have video taped sex with him in order to get a job (oh & he posted on his website one video where he was urinating on the girl) me thinks LE is going to use more than a few techniques and resources to get the guy regardless of what anyone has heard!
I don't understand why a dude who is trying to help & add to the conversation as to assist other mongers has to have their veracity challenged. If one studies the background they will see I am taking some level of risk by posting here. I could just say * you and let you continue on with your beliefs which apparently in this case are flawed. Sigh.
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[I] [b]WHFT investigation. [/b]
I was just contacted by someone claiming they are a detective building a case and wanted to ask me questions. UGHHH I stated I would rather speak with him with a lawyer present and that I would need to verify his credentials. This is fawked! [/I]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229509&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229509.
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[I] Yes same here I received a call yesterday wanting to know more about x and everything that was happening. Its not looking good I got a attorney today. [/I]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229752&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229752.
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[I] [b]Investigation [/b]
He said he was just interested in X but I felt super uncomfortable talking about any of that without having a lawyers advice. I told him I will call him back after I could verify his info. Ughhh has anyone else been called? [/I]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229814&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229814.
Since LE reads these threads, any number of LT mongers have disappeared, gone underground or whatever, but no longer post! I suspect more were contacted that a) are not members on this site or b) who thought it prudent to NOT post on the threads that they had been contacted, or perhaps were advised by counsel not to post anymore.
So if one reads the affidavit that LE filed in support of warrants there one can see various LE techniques:
* the use of on-site surveillance of the motel room & pimps house.
* tracking devices on cars.
* access to FaceBook emails.
* access to bank accounts and banking records.
* pole cameras to record pimp & girls coming & going as well as mongers and their license plates.
* a fake prostitute (UCLE / decoy) doing "dates" in an adjacent room to get pimp's interest (it worked).
* traffic stops after dudes completed their dates.
* LE reading posts here on usasg and using those posts as "evidence" in support of the affidavit and.
* the pimp's use of a go-pro camera in the room to record dates!
[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14999144/united-states-v-xavier-lees-residence-located-at-5-hickory-lane-elkton/[/URL]
See Doc 3, the pdf file!
Then dudes reported on the USASG forums that they had been contacted. So everyone is free to draw their own conclusions and take actions or just blow it off as "can't happen here. " One thing I know about the hobby is that it involves some level of risk and everyone is free to make their own evaluation: ignore the risks or take actions to minimize the risks. So in my view the risk exists regardless of whether anyone has heard of it or not. Anyone can parse this and discount it as they wish. Me thinks this is quite sobering information.
Good luck mongering! Stay safe!
Not "Not believed" just questioned without sources
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;4344041]Not sure why the truth isn't believed!
[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14999144/united-states-v-xavier-lees-residence-located-at-5-hickory-lane-elkton/[/URL]
See Doc 3, the pdf file![/QUOTE]You are a long time poster in another state, I started to go through your posts to find links to posts claiming calls from popo but just don't have the time, thank you for links. That request for search warrants was an interesting read. Wonder what made them go after this guy after being around for a decade. Also see why you have a personal interest in the case. Another example of why "agencies" may be a thing of the past.
This conversation should probably be moved to general reports or news / media rather than the BB forum.
Not Delaware, But Maryland - Read the Affidavitt
[QUOTE=Longjblues;4344477]The two posters that actually posted that they had been called by LE were DragonFlyJones with 3 posts and Pacoow 12 with 15 posts at time of their "Investigation" posts on April 12,2019. Other posters on that Board questioned their veracity.
I read their posts. Sounds like total BS, or someone is scamming them. They both said the cops called them, and were asking about a certain person "X". The cops assured them both that they were only investigating "X". Must have been the FBI, because no legitimate, competent law enforcement official is going to say that, particularly over the phone. LOL. I am calling total BS by those two posters.[/QUOTE]
Just a question. Did you read the affidavit and get familiar with the case? Fwiw X is not some generic term but stands for Xavier _(can't post last name) _ the target of the FBI investigation. It is anyone's prerogative to not read the details, to question the veracity, to defend the homeboys and decide to ignore the warnings therein. Me thinks there is plenty to be learned from this experience, if one is willing to do the homework and I was just sharing the information to help others. Apparently some do not wish any help, which is fine with me.
I am amazed that this factual information is so easily discounted. But then again, perhaps I should not be. After all I issued warnings over the years that stated that X was recording dates using a cam in the motel room and many ignored those warnings and went ahead and dated X's girls and now have their naked b*tts on tape in the FBI hands!
Good luck mongering!
Sarah lived up to the hype
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