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[QUOTE=Giani]Near Findley Market, (just out shopping), I noticed this person. Several questions arise...

Anyone know her/him?

Is it a he or a she? The kicker is that the hip action DOES attract attention!

I did not test the waters, but wonder if anyone else has.

The board is pretty dead these days. I probably deserve part of the blame with my paranoia...

See if you can post posts which are not incriminating--we can still transmit good information.

Giani[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it's "him". Only the guys that have wandered off Dunlop would dress that way.

The sad part is, many of them look better than most of the girls in that area.

[QUOTE=Giani]Near Findley Market, (just out shopping), I noticed this person. Several questions arise...

Anyone know her/him?

Is it a he or a she? The kicker is that the hip action DOES attract attention!

I did not test the waters, but wonder if anyone else has.

The board is pretty dead these days. I probably deserve part of the blame with my paranoia...

See if you can post posts which are not incriminating--we can still transmit good information.

Giani[/QUOTE]
'she' looks like a linebacker for the WFL

(nice legs tho!)

It took me almost all afternoon to find this one, but she actually walked right pass me as I was walking to my car. I asked her one of those can you tell me where "BLANK" is questions, and once she pointed I asked the MAIN question.

I had seen her before after I thought about it once before, but did not have the opp to speak to her. She is decent and at the time smelled fresh like soap on a Hot Day. That is better than most, so she lived near by.

HERE ARE HER PICTURES. DEFINITELY "NOT" A He/She. She is Bi!

BoomBastic.

[quote=i need it]they did get me for the fee. i paid it before they broke the news that they were 16. if they were cops i would think they would have busted me just for that even though i didn't say exactly what i wanted. i talked to them on tango which is a chatline. i didn't get any pictures of them. i think nude pictures would get you in deep trouble if they are ****. they were thick girls. mandy was cute 5'5" curly red hair huge tits at a 50dd. tiffany was average looking 5'9" blond said she was a 44dd. i guess i'm a sucker for the big boobs! mandy looked 18 but tiffany looked younger. what gets me is if they were legit why would they tell anyone they are under 18? they have to know that people will stay away from **** women. i think they may have been the rip-off type. i just got a really bad vibe about the whole situation.[/quote]definitely not cops. they just took you for your money and they did not have to do anything to earn it. talk about an easy job!

Man have some of the WSW due to their shortage gotten arrogant.

There were so few decent WSW out, that the decent one have noticed they have a real bargaining chip in the game now. Some have stopped settling for a lower price, where they did before, and others have gotten so busy that it is almost like taking a number. I had one I know go to the corner store rather than come over to me, and we know one another. She now knows she can get more if she holds out, and acts uninterested. I had to laugh, because she was the same one that just after winter passed wanted to do fs for 20, and 5 extra for a 2nd nut. Wow, how times have changed?

I am seeing a slight incline in price and what a lot of SW's are asking and accepting. The hardcore are still the same, but the parttimers and decent SW are looking to ask for more money. They are getting very picky, and down right arrogant. This will only get worse, because the decent SW numbers are extremely low. I just had one who is one of the very better looking hardcore WSW tell me the 411 on the situation in otr/we, and it ain't good. I even had to work at it just to get her, when before she would just hop in. She saw another mark who she knew she could get over on. But to my luck, he must have missed her, and did not come back. She is a fox, and she could easily create a waiting list. Easily!

We are in a buyers market now. If you want decent SW of anykind! If you will settle for anything. You can still find whatever you want?

Has anyone else noticed?

Oh by the way the he/she was out yesterday walking finlay towards central pkway, and alot of his friends were too. Later that night they had control again of the whole area, as a roving pack of fags. Two of them were big enough to be football player. Hey bengals. Defense!

Bbastic

OK... I know that cruising is a hit and/or miss prospect. But frankly, 0.2 for FS??? WHEN was that? Even *I* would be embarrassed to pay so little for FS. Where in the States would one find such a low price? Dream on if you think you can get that regularly. No, I don't think times have changed, only our hallucinations.

In the past week or two, I saw several SWs whom I recognized, including one of our SW TV stars who was still as socially pleasant as ever.

Frankly, part time SWs may be generally ignorant of the going price. There is an opposing pressure on the price: Who would not prefer a PT novice? Wouldn't you pay more?

Remember to follow the basic rules of mongering (I have posted them numerous times--if you don't know them, do the research.)

Respect the SWs as fellow human beings, pay a respectful price, and both of you will reap the benefits.

Giani

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]Man have some of the WSW due to their shortage gotten arrogant.

There were so few decent WSW out, that the decent one have noticed they have a real bargaining chip in the game now. Some have stopped settling for a lower price, where they did before, and others have gotten so busy that it is almost like taking a number. I had one I know go to the corner store rather than come over to me, and we know one another. She now knows she can get more if she holds out, and acts uninterested. I had to laugh, because she was the same one that just after winter passed wanted to do fs for 20, and 5 extra for a 2nd nut. Wow, how times have changed?

I am seeing a slight incline in price and what a lot of SW's are asking and accepting. The hardcore are still the same, but the parttimers and decent SW are looking to ask for more money. They are getting very picky, and down right arrogant. This will only get worse, because the decent SW numbers are extremely low. I just had one who is one of the very better looking hardcore WSW tell me the 411 on the situation in otr/we, and it ain't good. I even had to work at it just to get her, when before she would just hop in. She saw another mark who she knew she could get over on. But to my luck, he must have missed her, and did not come back. She is a fox, and she could easily create a waiting list. Easily!

We are in a buyers market now. If you want decent SW of anykind! If you will settle for anything. You can still find whatever you want?

Has anyone else noticed?

Oh by the way the he/she was out yesterday walking finlay towards central pkway, and alot of his friends were too. Later that night they had control again of the whole area, as a roving pack of fags. Two of them were big enough to be football player. Hey bengals. Defense!

Bbastic[/QUOTE]

Just yesterday. Mr. G?

There is a difference between regular SW's and the parttimers. Regular go by the going rate, and if at any point one will do it for less so be it. I will tip for good service, but I ain't that generous. I don't wheeled gangbanger money.

I had a chance to hang around otr/we most of the early evening until about 11:45pm. Around 8pm I called ms. E. Who had minutes amazingly, and we agreed to meet up. Ms. E. Is about 23, very thin, very atractive, use to have a nice attirude, when she was strictly parttiming, now she has the makings of a scam artist. The rush job type, hurry up, I hear someone crap. Actually she walked down to where I was parked, and we went to a location spot where I paid a mutual person we both know a. 05 to use his room. Ms. E and I agreed on. 25w. 05tip. 05pic. 05room, paid my me. At the last moment she closed on the pic. I think if I offered more (. 15) she would have changed her mind, but I had limited funds and a limited plan. We did it and she got her money, thus everyone is happy. Ms. E. Only answers her cell after 7pm, because then she gets free minutes. Evenually I will have to cross ms. E. Off the list. Scammin big time, for people who don't know her already.

Myself and a few friends stopped up at a house bar and drink a few beers. I don't much like drinking more than a 2-3 beers at a house place because you never want to be caught drunk at a house place without very, very close good friends. And you would be amazed at how many white guys, and women come through this place. The drinks are very cheap and not too watered down. The beers are just a buck fifty for a 16oz. Can. At about 11pm I deceided to leave. Upon leaving I meet ms. M. Who asked if I could give her a ride over to that bar near john st. Forgot the name. On the way we did the quick chit-chat, and she gave me the needing to make some money routine. I asked her how much for fs, and she quoted me. 020. And she said it in a way that people had offered her less. We agreed on a hiden spot we both knew of and did it there. After we were finished and she checked her money again, I had to take her back to the spot I found her because she lost some type of lens to her glasses. After a little looking with a bright flashlight and about 15 minutes, she found it, and I dropped her off near queenann's bar. Ms. M. Was in her mid-thirty's and had a very good personality and attitude. I did tell her that I will be contacting her again, since she did show me where she lived.

Low prices and rates. Is not the norm, but every now and then you get "lucky. " I have missed out on a lot, by just being a car or two back, or turning one way instead of the other. I saw three really nice, what I thought to be WSW, walking with a group of black guys on three ocassions. When they are in a group like that, they will mainly ignore you, until you catch them alone. They last one disappeared into the drug area over near the fire station at that corner apartment building.

All-in-all, the going rate is 30, but is they say less, I ain't gonna school them. It is a sellers market now, and I am surprised the price hasn't settled at 40 or more. They get as much respect, friendliness, and everything else from me and sometimes more than with other guys willing to pay more.

It's just a matter of timing and luck!

BooMBastic.

[QUOTE=Giani]OK... I know that cruising is a hit and/or miss prospect. But frankly, 0.2 for FS??? WHEN was that? Even *I* would be embarrassed to pay so little for FS. Where in the States would one find such a low price? Dream on if you think you can get that regularly. No, I don't think times have changed, only our hallucinations.

In the past week or two, I saw several SWs whom I recognized, including one of our SW TV stars who was still as socially pleasant as ever.

Frankly, part time SWs may be generally ignorant of the going price. There is an opposing pressure on the price: Who would not prefer a PT novice? Wouldn't you pay more?

Remember to follow the basic rules of mongering (I have posted them numerous times--if you don't know them, do the research.)

Respect the SWs as fellow human beings, pay a respectful price, and both of you will reap the benefits.

Giani[/QUOTE]

Recently, taking a tour around OTR, I saw quite a few interesting ladies "on the street." No way would I think these were SWs... (Just to be clear.) But they may look familiar to the practiced monger.

Across from the Shell station (do NOT pick up near there!) I also saw a thin, tricked out stilettoed piece of work in VERY tight pants who from a distance looked like a hot one. You know the rest of the story. Com'on--Real OTR SWs NEVER advertise like that.

I have it on good authority that decent BBBJCIM still goes for 0.2 + tip, and FS for 0.4. For less than that, you may get more than you bargained for. But as always, choose your friend carefully, behave in a cautious but congenial manner, pick a safe location, and agree clearly up front about what for how much. (Same old story--see my mongering rules if you would like more specific lessons.)

So here are several pictures of (certainly not) SWs on the street.
LE: take careful note. These are NOT SWs...

Giani

Hey G-man,

I have to say I have not pay more than $30 for everything including pix for almost a year or more.

I always start at 20, then they go 30, I say 25 max, then it's usually a deal. If I do pix I will ask only after the deal is made, and if they want more money then I offer only an extra 5. Most times I get them for no extra charge, because they owe me for some type of taxi service drop off to their favorite dealer instead of a long walk. I have even taken them back to their place or a relatives, instead of having to beg someone for a ride. More than anything. They just feel comfortable with me. Especially according to the horror stories they have told me, about what some of the mongers have said and done. I am no saint. But if I get a bargain I'm gonna take it!

I know the place that mr. B. Is talking about. He is a little braver than I about being there even though, I go there too. Sometimes! It is not an SW hang out, but more a gathering place for people trying to catch up with other folks in the area/neighborhood, and it is strictly for an over #30 crowd. There rare is any harecore SW there, but a few parttimers hang at the place, and that is, same can be said for all the other clubs in the area.

So as a matter of record. I have gotten all of them for 25w/5tip, and most times pix were free and for a plus. Basically that comes out to 30, but I neigotiate it differently, because if I say 30 as a deal, then more will be expected for anything more, especially pix.

Lastly. I am starting to see a severe shortage of WSW, especially the decent ones. And the ones out that are more than decent have now gotten mass attitudes, because they know they can ask whatever for their serve. Some of the same p/t WSW I saw a year ago, that would barely show attitude, are now totally different. I saw (3) very nice blondes over a two day period and got to talk to two of them who told me they won't do anything for under 50, and it will be 20 extra for pix. I simply said "no thanks", and walked back to my car. The other WSW just ignored everyone until her popcorn pimp, okayed a deal. They were at the little park on finlay near vine.

Times are ah changin!

Word!

[QUOTE=Giani]Recently, taking a tour around OTR, I saw quite a few interesting ladies "on the street." No way would I think these were SWs... (Just to be clear.) But they may look familiar to the practiced monger.

Across from the Shell station (do NOT pick up near there!) I also saw a thin, tricked out stilettoed piece of work in VERY tight pants who from a distance looked like a hot one. You know the rest of the story. Com'on--Real OTR SWs NEVER advertise like that.

I have it on good authority that decent BBBJCIM still goes for 0.2 + tip, and FS for 0.4. For less than that, you may get more than you bargained for. But as always, choose your friend carefully, behave in a cautious but congenial manner, pick a safe location, and agree clearly up front about what for how much. (Same old story--see my mongering rules if you would like more specific lessons.)

So here are several pictures of (certainly not) SWs on the street.
LE: take careful note. These are NOT SWs...

Giani[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have experience with Rayne, who advertises regularly on CL - Cincinnati? She looks good (IMO), but I hestitate to go with osmeone who has no reviews?

To me, this lovely is a work of art. Look at her stance, her attitude, and her courage. Gotta love it.

Giani

P.S. Yes, I know this is low rez--but your imagination is at least as good as my camera...

I found this on CL.... good info to have....

D'Nut

PS--- What's up guys? Long time no see....

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What the Agencies Don't Want You to Know - w4m - 24

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Reply to: [email]pers-370373061@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2007-07-09, 10:22PM EDT


THE FOLLOWING POST IS LISTED PERIODICALLY IN THE COLUMBUS EROTIC SECTION, BUT THE WORDS HOLD TRUE IN ANY MARKET. I HATE TO SEE ANYONE GET RIPPED OFF SO POSTING IT HERE IN CINCINNATI. THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS WHEN GIRLS SUDDENLY SHOW UP AND THEY ARE NOT REVIEWED ON ANY OF THE BIG SITES FOR THIS HOBBY (FAVORABLE REVIEWS ON CL DO NOT COUNT AS MANY TIMES THEY END OF BEING SELF REVIEWS DONE BY THE SCAMMERS THEMSELVES). BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE GIRLS THAT BLOW INTO TOWN AND ARE OFFERING OUTCALL ONLY. JUST READ THE POST AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH - AND JUST MAYBE IT WILL HELP TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING VICTIM TO A SCAM... BUT IF YOU DO FALL VICTIM, REPORT IT ON CL TO SAVE OTHERS FROM THE SAME. ANYHOW, HERE'S THE POST:

This is the post that many of the Escorts and Escort Agencies in Central Ohio DON'T want you to see. Many of the posts by girls here are misleading. They want you to believe you are getting full service when in reality, they only offer a dance and/or mutual masturbation. When this post does get flagged, that means the scammers are actively posting at that time. If you ask for FULL SERVICE, they will say, “Yes, I’m full service”. What they don’t tell you is that their idea of full service consists of you masturbating yourself to completion. After you get ripped off, you might ask the girl "I thought this was full service"? They will tell you that the legal definiton in Ohio for Full Service includes mutual masturbation. That is a lie. Their is NO legal definition of "Full Service" in the Ohio Revised Code. This is how it works: You agree to meet the girl. She will likely show up with a driver. She will ask for $130 to $200 up front. If you make the mistake of paying this, you might as well say goodbye to it. The driver will take the money to the car and usually wait. From here, the girl will tell you that the money you just paid is for the driver, agency, or a show up fee. She will now tell you that she only works on tips. You now have to negotiate a price to have the girl continue. This will range from $200 to $300. If you pay her, you are now about to learn about the term “Full Service” from her terminology. She will likely only offer to strip and conduct mutual masturbation. You WILL NOT be allowed to touch her and she WILL NOT touch you.. Once you figure this out, you might ask for a refund. It is likely she will tell you there are no refunds. Though, there is a slim chance she will refund your second payment, you are definitely not getting your first payment returned. She will likely leave and you are out anywhere from $130 to $500. If she does conduct a strip or mutual masturbation, there is no refund what so ever, guaranteed.

How to deal with this:
1. If a driver or second person shows up, you are about to get ripped off.... GUARANTEED! Do not answer the door if they come to you. You need to watch and see if she comes with someone. If the girl that shows up is not the girl pictured, it is very likely a SCAM. If a non pictured girl shows up with a driver, you might as well write off any money you give up.

2. IF you have the confrontation with the driver and the girl, make an excuse to cancel. At this point, the driver will tell you there is a cancellation fee. It usually ranges from $100 to $150. Hopefully, you have not let them into your room. They will try to come into your room prior to conversation because when the confrontation happens, you will feel more intimidated to give up the money. Remember, your room is your safe haven until they are inside. If you are in a situation where you can’t avoid the confrontation, refuse to pay the money. If you are bigger then the driver, they will likely leave. If not, immediately have your cell-phone readily available and tell them that you will call the police and the police can resolve it when they get here. Though, this is something you won’t likely want to do, I can assure you, they don’t want to confront the police anymore then you do. They will likely leave at this point. Trust me, you don’t owe them a cent.

3. Watch out for the scenario where the girl shows up and asks for the money up front. After you pay her, she will open the door and hand the money to a driver who is now outside of your door that you didn’t see the first time. If this happens, you may as well say goodbye to that money and get ready for the second round of negotiations to start all over again. Once again, you are about to get ripped off. If a girl shows up and you let her inside and asks for the money up front, open the door and see if anyone is standing outside the door. If not, the driver may be waiting in the car. Know the cars in the parking lot prior to the girl arriving. This way you can spot the driver more easily. The girl may insist on taking the first payment out to the car. If this happens, you are about to once again get ripped off. She will take it to the driver. If she does go to the car and give the money to a driver, get ready for a second round of negotiations IF she returns.

4. They will say whatever is necessary to get the initial payment from you. Once you have given up that money, they don’t care anymore, they got what they wanted and can and will leave at anytime they want. Anything else they get from your wallet is just a bonus now for the girl and the driver. Once they have your initial payment, they know you aren’t going to call the police. They can do as they please and they know it.

5. In some cases, the girl will agree to meet you at a hotel before anyone has a room. Sit in your car and wait. Prior to her showing, ask what kind of vehicle she is coming in. If she comes with a driver, simply drive away. If they ask what you are driving, be vague. Once again, if you are foolish enough to make contact, they will ask for the initial payment up front using the excuse that they have to pay for the room. Whatever you give them, say goodbye to it and be ready for the second round of negotiations.

6. Incall/Outcall- It does not matter if the girls are incall or outcall. The escort agencies and girls use both. Once they have scammed one guy, they have full use of the hotel room for the rest of the day and night. Once they have the room, they offer incall. If you schedule with a scammer, it usually works like this; The girl will tell you to go to an area close by and then call her back. Once you do that, she may direct you closer to call back or just give you the actual location. When you do this, drive the parking lot and check out all of the cars closely. Usually, the girls will have a driver waiting in his car in the same parking lot. If you see this, just drive off. You are about to get ripped-off. If you do go into the room, negotiate exactly what you are getting. Make her say it. If she refuses to discuss the details, LEAVE! You are about to get ripped-off. If you do give up the initial payment and she wants to take it out to a car, you are about to get ripped off. She will either leave or come back after leaving the money with the driver. At this point, you have lost your initial payment and are on your way to the second round of negotiations. The most common hotels that are used by the escort agencies for incall are the hotels on E161 close to I71. They also use the hotels behind the Continent (Zumstein Dr.). They also use the hotels off of Brice Rd. North and South of I70. The last common area they use are the hotels off of High St. (Rt. 23) north of I270.

7. Prior to meeting with a girl and her likely driver, you have to call the phone number they give you. Just be direct with them. Ask them if this is mutual masturbation and/or a dance ONLY. If they are a licensed agency/business, they might tell you the truth but it is unlikely. Another common response is "I can't discuss that over the phone". If they won't discuss it, you are about to get ripped off. Just to be sure, ask if there will be a driver. If they say “Yes”, just hang up. You are about to get ripped-off. One common quote they love to make is “I promise you won’t be disappointed”. Don’t be tricked. This quote means nothing and you will be disappointed.

8. A very high percentage of ads in the “Columbus Dispatch” and “The Other paper” are exactly what we have discussed above. ALL of the phonebook ads under “Escorts” listing agencies are as listed above. In addition, most of the girls’ ads in the Dispatch and Other Paper are actually ads from escort agencies listed in the phone book. The agencies have several phone numbers they use that all ring to the same phone and answered by the same operators. They change numbers like you change pants every morning. They change numbers because they know guys won’t call the same number that is known as a rip-off number.

9. As you may already know, there are open businesses that you are aware of (You can find there ads in the “Dispatch” sports section) in which these businesses offer mutual masturbation. At least one of these businesses are responsible for sending girls your way with a driver also. Remember, they have several phone lines also.

10. Remember, they want you to believe they are doing something illegal. It’s a game of words. An example of this is an ad that says "this is not an offer of prostitution". This is reverse psychology. They think if they post this that you will believe it is prostitution. This is probably the only time in reality that they aren't lying (This only applies to CL). For other reverse psychology phrases, see rules 7 and 11.

11. If you have made the mistake of paying the driver and the secondary costs to the girl, she will continue to tell you that "The more you pay, the more you get". Though, she won't tell you how much more no matter what. She will just continue to get you to try to pay more and more. The more you pay, the more you will lose and the simple fact is, you will never get to touch her and she won't touch you no matter how much you pay.

12. If the service advertises a rate for a half hour or you are offered a 30 minute rate, it's very likely to be mutual masturbation (DIY).

13. As you read this, remember, the local escort agencies and DIY scammers are reading this also. They are changing there tactics in advertising on CL in hopes that you won't distinguish them from a legitimate provider. You have to use common sense. Think with the big head and not the little fireman. If the ad seems to good to be true, it is. Hot women do not suddenly show up in Columbus and just start advertising on CL.

14. One way to spot a scammer is to keep a running list of phone numbers of suspicious ads. Eventualy, you will find the same phone numbers listed in multiple ads for different girls. I know, I told you earlier that they change numbers like you change your pants every morning. They do change there numbers frequently, but they also use a number long enough until they feel it is no longer of any use to them. In addition, compare numbers you get on CL to phone numbers listed in the "Dispatch" and "The Other Paper". When you find a match, compare the ads. The comparison should raise a red flag.

15. If you do meet one of these girls and get burned. Remember, you are angry at the girls(s), driver, and the agency. The best revenge you can put on them is to take money out of there pocket by reporting which CL ads are a SCAM. Give as much detailed information as possible to include the phone number in the ad, a description of the girl(s), driver, and the vehicle he/she is driving. CL is anonymous so there is no fear of embarressment. DO NOT report legitimate providers as scams. It only defeats the purpose of our goals. If you have a personal problem with a legitimate provider, take it to "Rants and Raves".

16. You should NEVER invite these people over to your home or apartment. (Hypothetical) The girl and driver shows up. You see the red flags and cancel. If you refuse to pay the cancellation fee, they WILL intentionally make a scene in front of your residence waking up or getting the attention of your neihbors. They do this in an attempt to embarress you into paying them. This is the best case scenario. Use your imagination and you should come up with many other possible bad scenarios or crimes that could result from this. Just ask yourself, do you really want these people to know where you live?

17. WHERE THE MONEY GOES - The intial payment mostly goes to the agency. The second round of negotiations goes to the girl (Second round of negotiations usually start at about $200 to $300). The driver gets a percentage of the take from the second round of negotiations and possibly gets a small cut of the initial costs.

18. Recently some of the scammers have began to post ads without pictures. They are requesting that you e-mail them first before you receive a picture. They are doing this because the guys are catching on to the scammers ads and flagging them. Lets use commos sense, why won't they post them in the ad but instead e-mail them? Use common sense. Also, refer to rule #13.

19. On 6-25-2007, A male by the name of Mike responded to this post claiming that he would offer drivers services to girls, Craigslist posting number 360084157. In the post he seemed concerned with the reputation of drivers and the girls safety. He offered to be a driver for the girls and would not accept additional money from the girls. In addition he said he would be there to make sure nobody got ripped-off, scammed, or hurt. He said this was a new idea so that the driver isn't always a bad thing. With this, I contacted Mike pretending to be a local Escort Agency. I offered Mike a job with certain conditions and an understanding of what the job entailed. I told Mike; 1. He would pick up the girls and take them to meet upscale gentlemen. 2. Once the lady is paid, he would hold the money until the lady returns. 3. Under no circumstances, would he give a refund to the gentleman. 4. He would be responsible for collecting a $150 cancellation fee. 5. He would be paid $10 per customer and 20% of additional monies after the intitial fee collected by the lady. 6. Oh yea, and the services offered only by the female are DIY (Mutual Masterbation). Mike gladly accepted the job offer knowing all of the above. Mike knew he was advertising his services fraudulently with every intention of becoming part of the scam. This clearly makes my point as stated above. If there is a driver, it is a SCAM! Thanks for your help Mike. By the way, I did save the electronic paper trail so you couldn't deny it later.

20. This post will not last very long. Let's do everyone a favor and work together on this one. Copy and paste this post to your hard drive. When you notice that the post has been flagged and deleted from CL, re-post it. Everyone has a right to know about this ongoing scam. If enough people know about this, the rip-off artists will stop posting here.

21. I have received requests from people asking for a recommended provider or asking if a specific post is a scam. I do not respond to these e-mails. The most common question is "I called this girl who posted and she sounded really nice over the phone". How is she supposed to sound that shows her as a scam? If you are asking this type of question, you are thinking with the little fireman. The goal of these posts is to show you how to deal with the confrontation of a suspected scam. If I provided information on legitimate providers, it would delegitimize this post as a whole and would show a personal agenda. This post shows you how to pick out legitimate posts and how to pick up the signs of a suspected scam. If you simply memorize these simple rules, it is unlikely you are going to get ripped-off. Their are guys out there who actually believe it is worth spending up to $1000 to have a female watch him jack off. This post does not apply to these guys. It applies to guys who are looking for more then jacking themselves off and avoiding girls who mislead them into believing they will get more then mutual masturbation.

Actually, it makes me glad. Hey--I can get scammed with SW for only 0.2-0.3. If I go for escorts, I could get scammed for 2.0-4.0, and beaten up to boot!

On the other hand, this hobby teaches one about the baser elements of human nature... Yes, I have been ripped off by SWs, numerous times (no recently, I am happy to report), just look at some of my early posts...

I found it interesting that many of the cautions in the CL/escort post are covered by my Mongering 101 list... ESPECIALLY, do NOT give up the $ up front!!! And be SURE it is clear what for which? And do not get yourself into a corner.

So... for newcomers, read carefully, be CAUTIOUS, do not commit to anything until tests have been performed.

Thanks D Nut for the post. I actually enjoyed reading it as a cautionary tale. And the writer has good style! Love the repetitive "You are about to get ripped-off..." Truer statement was never made.

Thanks for the post, and welcome back, stranger!

[QUOTE=D Nut]I found this on CL.... good info to have....

D'Nut

PS--- What's up guys? Long time no see....
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I took notes from a friend of mine about his recent experience in OTR:

He reports that he picked up M******e in OTR yesterday around 6:30 PM. (He said she was the ONLY prospect on the streets at that time): glamorous, tall, thin, blonde, about 30. At first, with her standing on a corner, so good looking in her jeans, white top and sunglasses, that he was worried she was part of a sting. (She said thanks when he told her this later). Said he circled around three times, finally pulled into a side street. She followed and jumped right in. "Need a ride?" "Sure..."

He said she was SO congenial, it was a GFE. While her face was a little pock marked, her smile and attitude trumped that. She eagerly agreed to the feel test. (He said she spent considerable attention to the area between his legs... so much that he was pretty much ready by the time they got to the spot.) She said she loved what she does. (He said if it isn't true, she deserves an Oscar!)

At his favorite spot (agreed on BBBJCIM for the usual fare), he says she displayed unbelievable oral skills: taking plenty of time, caressing, massaging, little finger exploring the distant nether land... (I wish it had been me!!!) This guy would not stop about the pleasure she lavished on him. She told him afterward that she was all tingly from the experience. This is not a usual SW line, even it IS a line. He ate it up. He said, if he were scoring her: looks: 8, cleanliness: 9, attitude: 10, skills: 10. Yes, he said she likes butter on her bread.

He said she gave him digits, but he does not know if they work. He will get back to me if they do. She told him she is out only a couple days a week. He considered himself fortunate to be there on one of those days.

Don't we all wish we were him!!!

Giani

D-Nut good post! I have actually seen some of these a few times....never had problems with a driver but I have had the girl give me the "you won't be disappointed" and The price is all inclusive routine only to try and re-negotiate when she showed up. I always held negotiation to the caliber and attitude of the provider. I agree if the girl isn't as advertised send her packing and tell the agency she doesn’t bath. Once from a major upscale hotel during a big convention I told the agency receptionist that I had seven other potential clients in the hotel waiting for a full report before they placed an order, the provider they sent was gorgeous and very attentive; all inclusive in the price quoted by the agency. You have to have a counter scam...but it can only work so many times. As for the drivers that want to come to the door and collect the money.....I look out the peep hole and if it is a guy I won't answer the door, if the agency calls I simply tell them I ordered a female not a male and then hang up.