Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BobbyLinn;6235112]I see that Karmyn is now listing an ad on ListCrawler, she normally only posts on Eros and Tryst. The ad says she requires a deposit. Do not send her any money unless you don't care if you don't ever receive services or see ANYTHING in return. She must have worn out her welcome on Eros and Tryst and is now trying out ListCrawler. She is a fuc_ing ripoff.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/ohio/cincinnati/101628541[/URL][/QUOTE]I paid you for a bathroom remodel and you ghosted me! Now you're saying because I charged back the money I gave you that I'm a ripoff? Should've thought about this a bit more before you posted it because I'm on your ass now.

[QUOTE=KarmynBankz;6238662]I paid you for a bathroom remodel and you ghosted me! Now you're saying because I charged back the money I gave you that I'm a ripoff? Should've thought about this a bit more before you posted it because I'm on your ass now.[/QUOTE]You don't see much 2 way fire in this neck of the woods here!

Or maybe Bobby just enjoys getting his ass kicked during sex and this is the buildup to the latest episode? Whatever 'bathroom remodeling' is code for, just play nice enough to stay out of jail you crazy kids! ;D.

[QUOTE=SpnkDaMonkey;6238548]Question, why and who is paying $400, $500 $600 or more to see the likes of to name a few:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/tiffanybluee[/URL]

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/wonderwomanworld[/URL]

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/green-eyed-beauty[/URL]

[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/lynn-marie555[/URL][/QUOTE]Tiffany Blue is disgusting, fat ghetto trash. I guarantee if you send that deposit, you won't see her. She has been around for years Under the name Taylor and TayTayKrayKray on the hooker sites and at least a few others while attempting and failing to be a sugar baby. She has run every other type of scam you can think of. Has about 5 kids with different black dudes. Think I remember her setting up scams via Snapchat and some in person cash and dash set ups with her pimp / baby daddy a few years back.

Lynn Marie is they only one I would consider since she is legitimately a body builder / want to be influencer with a body type some might find appealing and not a junkie or trailer trash.

[QUOTE=KarmynBankz;6238662]I paid you for a bathroom remodel and you ghosted me! Now you're saying because I charged back the money I gave you that I'm a ripoff? Should've thought about this a bit more before you posted it because I'm on your ass now.[/QUOTE]Let's set your bullshit straight. I agreed to 'help' restore the bathtub plumbing and walls in your dilapidated kids bath in your dilapidate townhouse as a friend. I ASKED NOTHING, and I repeat 'NOTHING' in return. You graciously gave me $200 (which BTW as you know I never asked for) after 12 hours of labor, my 'friend' labor rate just so you know is $40/ hr. To my calulations if I were being "paid' by you for my work you still owe me about $350 once your generous $200 donation is taken into consideration. At job end I made arraingments WITH you the day before to put up the last 20 4 x4 missing tiles, again never asking for or expecting any payment. When I arrived no one was home and you could NOT be reached by phone and had not let me know that you wouldn't be home. In other words you blew me off. What is your procedure when clients blow you off? You never contacted me ANYTIME after that to make arraignmets to have me come back over to complete the work, which I would have done even after you blew me off.

Fast forward to over a year later you called crying for money and asking if I would loan you $200-$300. I sent you $300, (no mention of the bathroom cluster fuc_). After over a month I tried to reach you to see if you could repay the money I loaned you, I suggested that you could even repay me in $100 payments if that worked for you. You said that when your kids finished trick or treating you would send the money. What happened? Crickets. Your business must not be doing to well I guess. I really don't mind not being repaid as I had counted that 'loan' as loss (money a FRIEND needed) when I sent it to you, you were what I considered a friend needing some help. However, I did AT LEAST expect you to let me know what was going on. Again your favorite 'trick' was employed. You ghosted me and as reported I reported had RIPPED ME OFF! That 'loan' as you well know was just that. One has nothing to do with the other. If it did you owe me $300 for the loan and an additional $350 for labor. Don't worry 'friend' I never expect to see a cent from you. If you would do this to a 'friend' I felt the need to let our friend here know what your 'word' means and how you might well treat their deposit money.

[QUOTE=KarmynBankz;6237439]I don't ask the people here to like me, these specific guys aren't the type of clients I see anyhow. What I do ask is that if you have a problem with me and it's not sex work related, that you come to me like an adult. Recently was notified that I was being called a rip off for no other reason than I made sure I was refunded money from a service that was not provided. I bought materials for my bathroom to be fixed, paid the person and was left half done for a year. Yes! Actually over a year after I had paid and everything. I recently got the money back. No promise of anything sexual or anything. This is strictly business and not sex business. None of this is hobby related and I'm appalled that someone would have the audacity to come in here as if I ripped them off by accepting a deposit and not following through. We're all grown here hopefully, let's not be stupid.[/QUOTE]Karmyn!

I almost saw you again then the pandemic happened. I remember our visit fondly from time to time. Sorry to see someone here giving you trouble.

Guys, she's an absolute sweetheart! Why is anyone fucking with her?

[QUOTE=BobbyLinn;6239338]Let's set your bullshit straight. I agreed to 'help' restore the bathtub plumbing and walls in your dilapidated kids bath in your dilapidate townhouse as a friend. I ASKED NOTHING, and I repeat 'NOTHING' in return. You graciously gave me $200 (which BTW as you know I never asked for) after 12 hours of labor, my 'friend' labor rate just so you know is $40/ hr. To my calulations if I were being "paid' by you for my work you still owe me about $350 once your generous $200 donation is taken into consideration. At job end I made arraingments WITH you the day before to put up the last 20 4 x4 missing tiles, again never asking for or expecting any payment. When I arrived no one was home and you could NOT be reached by phone and had not let me know that you wouldn't be home. In other words you blew me off. What is your procedure when clients blow you off? You never contacted me ANYTIME after that to make arraignmets to have me come back over to complete the work, which I would have done even after you blew me off.

Fast forward to over a year later you called crying for money and asking if I would loan you $200-$300. I sent you $300, (no mention of the bathroom cluster fuc_). After over a month I tried to reach you to see if you could repay the money I loaned you, I suggested that you could even repay me in $100 payments if that worked for you. You said that when your kids finished trick or treating you would send the money. What happened? Crickets. Your business must not be doing to well I guess. I really don't mind not being repaid as I had counted that 'loan' as loss (money a FRIEND needed) when I sent it to you, you were what I considered a friend needing some help. However, I did AT LEAST expect you to let me know what was going on. Again your favorite 'trick' was employed. You ghosted me and as reported I reported had RIPPED ME OFF! That 'loan' as you well know was just that. One has nothing to do with the other. If it did you owe me $300 for the loan and an additional $350 for labor. Don't worry 'friend' I never expect to see a cent from you. If you would do this to a 'friend' I felt the need to let our friend here know what your 'word' means and how you might well treat their deposit money.[/QUOTE]Seems you're still thinking on the wavelength that got you into this situation in the first place.

No need to go into all this detail, just say you broke some cardinal rules of the hobby and shit went sideways. Nobody should be mixing real life and hobby activities, loaning money, trying to negotiate for future transactions with these women.

The takeaway here is everybody should be sticking to the formula.

Anonymous introductions and setup
Meet at the agreed anonymous place
fuck
pay cash
leave
repeat.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6239446]Karmyn!

I almost saw you again then the pandemic happened. I remember our visit fondly from time to time. Sorry to see someone here giving you trouble.

Guys, she's an absolute sweetheart! Why is anyone fucking with her?[/QUOTE]Come on man, bros before hoes unless you were there and watched it happen.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6239803]Come on man, bros before hoes unless you were there and watched it happen.[/QUOTE]Bros before hoes?

Hmmm, generally yes. But if I had a $1. 00 for every story I heard from a girl about bros behaving badly, I could date free for a month! Just saying.

The post about mixing business with pleasure looks like the best advice and outcome to this kerfuffle. Wise man posted that!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6239877]Bros before hoes?

Hmmm, generally yes. But if I had a $1. 00 for every story I heard from a girl about bros behaving badly, I could date free for a month! Just saying.

The post about mixing business with pleasure looks like the best advice and outcome to this kerfuffle. Wise man posted that![/QUOTE]Just saying, and not really saying much. Think about how many more dollars you'd have by not letting them waste time telling sad stories during your visits. The way some of you play the shoulder to cry on sneaky-fucker game with women you're literally paying to fuck you! LOL.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6239784]Seems you're still thinking on the wavelength that got you into this situation in the first place.

No need to go into all this detail, just say you broke some cardinal rules of the hobby and shit went sideways. Nobody should be mixing real life and hobby activities, loaning money, trying to negotiate for future transactions with these women.

The takeaway here is everybody should be sticking to the formula.

Anonymous introductions and setup
Meet at the agreed anonymous place
fuck
pay cash
leave
repeat.[/QUOTE]I have fronted money to these girls to pay for future visits. First it was never more than I could afford to lose. And yes tomorrow never arrived so I never received the pay back.

Remaining anonymous is very important. I do not give my real name or number. I do not have any social media accounts. I never have them come to the house. I do not give them rides. I do not talk about personal issues. I keep it completely business.

I do not even go and see them when they contact me telling me they need money. Actually that usually makes me stop contacting her. I always control the situation and do not allow them any control. They need me more than I need them.

[QUOTE=RufusFirefly;6240553]I have fronted money to these girls to pay for future visits. First it was never more than I could afford to lose. And yes tomorrow never arrived so I never received the pay back.

Remaining anonymous is very important. I do not give my real name or number. I do not have any social media accounts. I never have them come to the house. I do not give them rides. I do not talk about personal issues. I keep it completely business.

I do not even go and see them when they contact me telling me they need money. Actually that usually makes me stop contacting her. I always control the situation and do not allow them any control. They need me more than I need them.[/QUOTE]I will add one more thing to that list. If a provider ask me to stop an get anything I terminate the meeting an go to plan B my back up choice.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6239803]Come on man, bros before hoes unless you were there and watched it happen.[/QUOTE]Obviously I don't know why people are fucking with her which is why I asked. You didn't answer.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6242476]Obviously I don't know why people are fucking with her which is why I asked. You didn't answer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6239446]Karmyn!

I almost saw you again then the pandemic happened. I remember our visit fondly from time to time. Sorry to see someone here giving you trouble.

Guys, she's an absolute sweetheart! Why is anyone fucking with her?[/QUOTE]You're a senior, RTFF. Its nobody's job to spoonfeed you updates on conversations you jump into midstream. Acting like you haven't already taken her side, not knowing what actually happened. Because after all you had a visit with her once. And she was such a well-behaved "absolute sweetheart" for that hour or two. So of course that's how she must be the other 23 hours of the day, 365 days a year! LOL.

I'm hoping you're still young with plenty of time to live and learn. Because whether they're a card carrying wh0-re or not, women don't respect or desire men that kiss their ass and give them everything they want.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6242664]You're a senior, RTFF. Its nobody's job to spoonfeed you updates on conversations you jump into midstream. Acting like you haven't already taken her side, not knowing what actually happened. Because after all you had a visit with her once. And she was such a well-behaved "absolute sweetheart" for that hour or two. So of course that's how she must be the other 23 hours of the day, 365 days a year! LOL.

I'm hoping you're still young with plenty of time to live and learn. Because whether they're a card carrying wh0-re or not, women don't respect or desire men that kiss their ass and give them everything they want.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to tip your servers and bartenders, Pearish will be back tomorrow and he's here all week! LMFAO.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;6242664]You're a senior, RTFF. Its nobody's job to spoonfeed you updates on conversations you jump into midstream. Acting like you haven't already taken her side, not knowing what actually happened. Because after all you had a visit with her once. And she was such a well-behaved "absolute sweetheart" for that hour or two. So of course that's how she must be the other 23 hours of the day, 365 days a year! LOL.

I'm hoping you're still young with plenty of time to live and learn. Because whether they're a card carrying wh0-re or not, women don't respect or desire men that kiss their ass and give them everything they want.[/QUOTE]Dude, I have fond memories of her, and I remembered them when I saw her post. I was not inspired to do research. LOL.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6243293]Dude, I have fond memories of her, and I remembered them when I saw her post. I was not inspired to do research. LOL.[/QUOTE]I just saw the story. LOL. Got to love drama.

I don't pick sides when all I have is hearsay.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;6242888]Don't forget to tip your servers and bartenders, Pearish will be back tomorrow and he's here all week! LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Its kind and loving posts like this that are going to get you out of that moderated timeout box!

[QUOTE=AgelessSR;6256215]Personally, I thought she was too expensive during the Jennifer days. Give me a small sweet submissive Asian woman, I am a happy guy. Even if they have a little chub on their ass. Don't need to be sneezing from cats.

NyteHawk should be paid a handsome commission on his well written post and earn some residual income.[/QUOTE]For your information, "Ageless," who is a regular member and not even a senior. Those have been reading my reports for the past several years know that those reports are extremely accurate and detailed. So much so, that one AMP got pissed off and has blackballed me from their service. So before your lame opinion should be submitted, know what you are talking about. I do nothing for favors or returns, and post these reports ONLY to help other men who want the same thing I do. A happy ending and satisfaction from a service well done. If you don't like our reports, stop reading them, roll the dice and see where that gets you.

Nytehawk.

[QUOTE=NyteHawk;6256703]For your information, "Ageless," who is a regular member and not even a senior. Those have been reading my reports for the past several years know that those reports are extremely accurate and detailed. So much so, that one AMP got pissed off and has blackballed me from their service. So before your lame opinion should be submitted, know what you are talking about. I do nothing for favors or returns, and post these reports ONLY to help other men who want the same thing I do. A happy ending and satisfaction from a service well done. If you don't like our reports, stop reading them, roll the dice and see where that gets you.

Nytehawk.[/QUOTE]Hey, I was complimenting you on your literary skills and your providing excellent information for all. What is this regular member crap with you? Do you think you are better than me or superior to me because I am currently a regular member? Let me give you some history Chief. I was a senior member before you were under an different name. I was going to AMPs maybe when you were jerking off at your mom's house. So please, keep us us to date on where to go and who to see. Hopefully no one else will blackball you.

[QUOTE=AgelessSR;6257740]Hey, I was complimenting you on your literary skills and your providing excellent information for all. What is this regular member crap with you? Do you think you are better than me or superior to me because I am currently a regular member? Let me give you some history Chief. I was a senior member before you were under an different name. I was going to AMPs maybe when you were jerking off at your mom's house. So please, keep us us to date on where to go and who to see. Hopefully no one else will blackball you.[/QUOTE]Just adding some 3rd party perspective. Nytehawk is vastly superior. Going to AMPs to do building repairs is completely different from going to have sex. Just sayin.

We might need a real recession to bring some healthy variety back!

East.

Newbie 78 is the man the pimp and runs a tight ship! He knows that they need phones to make it easier for the mongers to pick them up! And for them to start doing outcalls if they have a car!! Isn't that amazing!! He says it would be safer for them What a white night!! Isn't that a thought. Then states how crazy they are for not doing it. What a guy he is. Apparently he hasn't looked at the Listcrawler ads that are up. Most of the girls there are streetwalkers and charge 6 times their walking rates. Newbie needs to hand out phones so we can contact them easier! Then when he gets his brakes fixed he can pick them up for outcall services and deliver them. The truth is most these girls are homeless their phones get stolen as soon as they fall asleep If they are luckythey are lucky some one buys them food they mostly sleep in trap houses until they are thrown out or are sleeping in tents in the woods.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;6263194]Newbie 78 is the man the pimp and runs a tight ship! He knows that they need phones to make it easier for the mongers to pick them up! And for them to start doing outcalls if they have a car!! Isn't that amazing!! He says it would be safer for them What a white night!! Isn't that a thought. Then states how crazy they are for not doing it. What a guy he is. Apparently he hasn't looked at the Listcrawler ads that are up. Most of the girls there are streetwalkers and charge 6 times their walking rates. Newbie needs to hand out phones so we can contact them easier! Then when he gets his brakes fixed he can pick them up for outcall services and deliver them. The truth is most these girls are homeless their phones get stolen as soon as they fall asleep If they are luckythey are lucky some one buys them food they mostly sleep in trap houses until they are thrown out or are sleeping in tents in the woods.[/QUOTE]English, mother fucker. Do you speak it?

Anyone else being constantly booted out of the forum when navigating around? Started happening about the time the new pop ad showed up.

[QUOTE=Newbie78;6276335]English, mother fucker. Do you speak it?[/QUOTE]Is motherfucker one or two words?

Anyone tried that Royal Honey from the head / smoke shops? The guy almost had me buying some yesterday. Did a quick web search and it seems to have unlabeled Viagra in it or something?

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6276777]Anyone tried that Royal Honey from the head / smoke shops? The guy almost had me buying some yesterday. Did a quick web search and it seems to have unlabeled Viagra in it or something?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/honey-based-sexual-supplements-may-contain-cialis-viagra-ingredients-f-rcna37876[/URL]

RG at your service my friends.

[QUOTE=Cincyjim;6276741]Is motherfucker one or two words?[/QUOTE]Just one. Only one. One. Uno.

[QUOTE=Newbie78;6276335]English, mother fucker. Do you speak it?[/QUOTE]What do you expect from a cheapass that blows loads in $5 streetwalkers?

[QUOTE=RocketGuy;6276831][URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/honey-based-sexual-supplements-may-contain-cialis-viagra-ingredients-f-rcna37876[/URL]

RG at your service my friends.[/QUOTE]Right. I was trying to figure out if anyone here has had any.

[QUOTE=Cincyjim;6276741]Is motherfucker one or two words?[/QUOTE]Definitely one but was trying to type it deliberately as Jules says it. Should have just posted the link [URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8[/URL].

We need a thread for rip off providers that's clean and simple. Just name (s), photo and links. Photo required. Possibly a VERY brief description of their method. Like cash and dash, physically threatened, husband / bf ploy. A strict database. No stories, which I DO value, they are truly educational, but have those in another thread. A place where you can scroll through efficiently before you start scrolling through the sites. I like the rip off thread we have, reading it has guided me well as to where to park, what to look out for, even what clothes to wear if I have to get dressed quickly to get the h*ll out, it would be nice to also have another that's one more condensed. Like looking through mug shots. Just thinking out loud!

[QUOTE=Newbie78;6276336]Anyone else being constantly booted out of the forum when navigating around? Started happening about the time the new pop ad showed up.[/QUOTE]No navigation issues for me. But two weeks ago, my email notifications stopped. I verified my settings and they're all current. I messaged the Admin, but no response yet.

[QUOTE=SimonPieMan;6277688]No navigation issues for me. But two weeks ago, my email notifications stopped. I verified my settings and they're all current. I messaged the Admin, but no response yet.[/QUOTE]Check your spam folder. For some reason, my e-mail notifications stopped. I checked my spam folder and there they were. I have no idea what changed to make that happen but I have not been able to get them back to my inbox again. I just check for them in my profile now.

BAM.

Hey, I know this is a nerdy question, but here it is. I want to take Thalia out on a "date. " Like maybe a nice lunch with a couple drinks. I'm also scared of getting caught as I feel like I generally know too many people. So I'm looking for spot recs. Anyone have an idea for a lunch spot, nice but not too busy, located not too far away but certainly not in any kind of hot spot zone for people out and about in the afternoon?

Maybe PM me if you don't mind. I am trying to be super secretive after all!

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6286704]Hey, I know this is a nerdy question, but here it is. I want to take Thalia out on a "date. " Like maybe a nice lunch with a couple drinks. I'm also scared of getting caught as I feel like I generally know too many people. So I'm looking for spot recs. Anyone have an idea for a lunch spot, nice but not too busy, located not too far away but certainly not in any kind of hot spot zone for people out and about in the afternoon?

Maybe PM me if you don't mind. I am trying to be super secretive after all![/QUOTE]Not sure where you are located but Loveland has several places you could enjoy.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6286704]Hey, I know this is a nerdy question, but here it is. I want to take Thalia out on a "date. " Like maybe a nice lunch with a couple drinks. I'm also scared of getting caught as I feel like I generally know too many people. So I'm looking for spot recs. Anyone have an idea for a lunch spot, nice but not too busy, located not too far away but certainly not in any kind of hot spot zone for people out and about in the afternoon?

Maybe PM me if you don't mind. I am trying to be super secretive after all![/QUOTE]Don't do it. I've run into people I know at places I least expected to. All it takes is that one time. Just give her a nice tip and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6286704]Hey, I know this is a nerdy question, but here it is. I want to take Thalia out on a "date. " Like maybe a nice lunch with a couple drinks. I'm also scared of getting caught as I feel like I generally know too many people. So I'm looking for spot recs. Anyone have an idea for a lunch spot, nice but not too busy, located not too far away but certainly not in any kind of hot spot zone for people out and about in the afternoon?

Maybe PM me if you don't mind. I am trying to be super secretive after all![/QUOTE]Your best bet is room service at a hotel. Go to a nice one. Cincinnatian or 21 C.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;6286704]Hey, I know this is a nerdy question, but here it is. I want to take Thalia out on a "date. " Like maybe a nice lunch with a couple drinks. I'm also scared of getting caught as I feel like I generally know too many people. So I'm looking for spot recs. Anyone have an idea for a lunch spot, nice but not too busy, located not too far away but certainly not in any kind of hot spot zone for people out and about in the afternoon?

Maybe PM me if you don't mind. I am trying to be super secretive after all![/QUOTE]I have thought about doing that with a couple ladies. I have decided against it because I cannot see anything good coming from it. The only good thing is people seeing me out with a young good looking girl. And that is exactly what I do not want to happen. Plus when you do that you are moving closer to a boyfriend girlfriend relationship.

[QUOTE=RufusFirefly;6287779]I have thought about doing that with a couple ladies. I have decided against it because I cannot see anything good coming from it. The only good thing is people seeing me out with a young good looking girl. And that is exactly what I do not want to happen. Plus when you do that you are moving closer to a boyfriend girlfriend relationship.[/QUOTE]Ha! Having an experience closer to boy / girlfriend would be the whole point! This girl has already fulfilled literally every sexual fantasy I know how to imagine. She won't be in the hobby forever, and before she leaves I think I want to know what a date feels like.

As others have mentioned, this is probably a bad and risky idea I should avoid, and I may end up avoiding it. But I am curious what options might exist for an out-of-the-way place that might be discreet enough. Just to consider. Doesn't mean I'll do it.

I appreciate the hotel / room service suggestion, but it's not about eating food with her it's about feeling what it's like to be in public on a date.