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[QUOTE=Opus1984;6519727]I see references from time to time in reviews about providers doing quick LEO checks. Which causes me to ask 2 things:

- What have you been subjected to for a LEO check?

- Have you ever done a LEO check on a provider?

I see providers put "no LEO" in their ads and ask via text to confirm that you're not law enforcement. But that doesn't strike me as something that would hold up. I was out of state last year and had a provider lift up her shirt and asked me to feel her up so that she knew I wasn't Uncle LEO. I guess in that state cops aren't supposed to touch.

But what about in Florida? Bueller? Anyone?[/QUOTE]Some mongers and providers are under the mistaken impression that these LEO checks are going to save them in the event of a sting. That's not exactly the case. If you look through arrest reports when Sheriff Grady does one of his big stings, you will see several girls or Johns arrested for "lewd and lascivious acts. " This is when they did the LEO check and showing your private parts to an undercover earns you that charge. IDK if that charge is a lighter charge than solicitation, or not.

If you are ever caught up in a sting, remember that the most important thing for you to do is to shut your mouth. You have the right to an attorney present whenever you answer any LEO's questions. There are stories on this great Forum of mongers that shut their mouth and refused to answer any questions, then being let go after an hour of fruitless interrogation. Those stories are from years ago but they are here.

Personally, I would go ahead and due the LEO check when seeing a girl for the first time and she's not reviewed.

And what would your LEO check be?

[QUOTE=Vino7373;6519853]Some mongers and providers are under the mistaken impression that these LEO checks are going to save them in the event of a sting. That's not exactly the case. If you look through arrest reports when Sheriff Grady does one of his big stings, you will see several girls or Johns arrested for "lewd and lascivious acts. " This is when they did the LEO check and showing your private parts to an undercover earns you that charge. IDK if that charge is a lighter charge than solicitation, or not.

If you are ever caught up in a sting, remember that the most important thing for you to do is to shut your mouth. You have the right to an attorney present whenever you answer any LEO's questions. There are stories on this great Forum of mongers that shut their mouth and refused to answer any questions, then being let go after an hour of fruitless interrogation. Those stories are from years ago but they are here.

Personally, I would go ahead and due the LEO check when seeing a girl for the first time and she's not reviewed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Opus1984;6519727]I see references from time to time in reviews about providers doing quick LEO checks. Which causes me to ask 2 things:

- What have you been subjected to for a LEO check?

- Have you ever done a LEO check on a provider?

I see providers put "no LEO" in their ads and ask via text to confirm that you're not law enforcement. But that doesn't strike me as something that would hold up. I was out of state last year and had a provider lift up her shirt and asked me to feel her up so that she knew I wasn't Uncle LEO. I guess in that state cops aren't supposed to touch.

But what about in Florida? Bueller? Anyone?[/QUOTE]As some responses have suggested, the "LEO check" is horribly misguided. The provider putting "no LEO" in her ad gains nothing, that does not prevent LE from contacting her and, potentially, arresting her. Similarly, a UC can say he, or she, isn't LE, when, of course, they are LE. An arrest would likely happen there as well. Even once the two individuals are together, one can ask for an LEO check, or even offer an LEO check of their own. Does not mean neither can be arrested. Cops can, and do, lie. I believe I previously mentioned a situation where I have personal knowledge of the monger showing up for what he thought was an incall with a provider, he entered the room, raised his arms and went towards the provider, as if to grab her breasts to show he wasn't LE. As soon as he did, other officers came from the adjoining room and placed him under arrest. All that said, I'll admit I "play along" with the LEO check myself. If the provider asks if I'm LE, I'll state that I am not and I'll ask the same of her. While I realize it's meaningless, a lot of provider seem to think it's legitimate. It seems smarter to just let them think they're actually accomplishing something, I figure if I point out that it does them no good, they'll just get angry or suspicious, no benefit in that.

[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6520079]As some responses have suggested, the "LEO check" is horribly misguided. The provider putting "no LEO" in her ad gains nothing, that does not prevent LE from contacting her and, potentially, arresting her. Similarly, a UC can say he, or she, isn't LE, when, of course, they are LE. An arrest would likely happen there as well. Even once the two individuals are together, one can ask for an LEO check, or even offer an LEO check of their own. Does not mean neither can be arrested. Cops can, and do, lie. I believe I previously mentioned a situation where I have personal knowledge of the monger showing up for what he thought was an incall with a provider, he entered the room, raised his arms and went towards the provider, as if to grab her breasts to show he wasn't LE. As soon as he did, other officers came from the adjoining room and placed him under arrest. All that said, I'll admit I "play along" with the LEO check myself. If the provider asks if I'm LE, I'll state that I am not and I'll ask the same of her. While I realize it's meaningless, a lot of provider seem to think it's legitimate. It seems smarter to just let them think they're actually accomplishing something, I figure if I point out that it does them no good, they'll just get angry or suspicious, no benefit in that.[/QUOTE]I am not an attorney, but if you think carefully about it then there are a lot of little details you can get right that will make it a lot more difficult for them to prosecute you in the event that you walk into a sting.

1) They will probably try to get you to incriminate yourself over the phone before you ever show up. If a girl ever overtly asks you about sexual acts or paying for sex over the phone, then that is a huge red flag and you should just stop right there. It's also why when you call or text you should deliberately use non-sexual language like "I want to make an appointment" because it doesn't imply anything of a sexual nature.

2) When the girl lets you into her place, don't be the one who initiates the LE check. Walk in, then turn around and face her as she is closing the door. Just stand there confidently and look at her like you're expecting something. What should happen is she moves in and offers a kiss, you accept and grab a handful of her ass, and you're good to go. A cop will never initiate to touch you because that is 100% against the rules for them. Note if you're seeing girls who have a shitty attitude and / or dumb and don't know good opsec, then this is trickier because a lot of times they won't initiate either.

3) Bring the cash in an unsealed envelope and never hand it to her directly. Just place the envelope somewhere in clear view and don't mention it or draw her attention to it. A cop will try to get you to admit or acknowledge that it's full of money, so if she says anything of that nature then ignore it.

4) The last thing to watch out for is a cop will try to initiate some kind of sexual conversation once you are there in person to further incriminate you. But remember, they can't touch, they can only talk. If she's intentionally keeping her distance and asking you some overtly sexual stuff or trying to get you to acknowledge that you are there to pay for sex, then just say something like "I don't know what you are talking about" or just STFU and leave.

Keep in mind if you show up to a sting you are probably going to be detained regardless, but if you did everything right and exercise your right to remain silent then they actually don't have much on you. Of course everyone knows why you are there, but remember in court it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. A good defense lawyer will ask the cop: Did he ever ask you for sex? Did he say he was there to have sex? Did he expose himself to you? Did he try to initiate sexual contact with you? Did he offer to pay you for sex? Did he hand you money? If you followed the steps above, then the answer to all of these questions is no, and that can begin to cast a reasonable doubt on what really happened.

Cops know this too, which is why if you don't fuck up and all they have on you is that you showed up, then they might just let you go without charges because it would be too difficult to prosecute. It probably depends on the cop and the though. But even if they charge you, you've got a much better chance of beating it if you avoid talking or acting in an incriminating way.

I would be more than happy to be corrected if there any legit attorneys who can chime in, but I am pretty sure this approach is sound.

Just curious. Is there a known reddit thread or forum like USASG where the providers can review us mongers, blacklist us, and post pictures of us as well?

[QUOTE=AsianDayDream;6521291]Just curious. Is there a known reddit thread or forum like USASG where the providers can review us mongers, blacklist us, and post pictures of us as well?[/QUOTE]Yes I believe there is. Been there for years.

[QUOTE=AsianDayDream;6521291]Just curious. Is there a known reddit thread or forum like USASG where the providers can review us mongers, blacklist us, and post pictures of us as well?[/QUOTE]There is, but I'm not going to reveal the address (mostly because I forgot the exact name LOL). I had a girl I was close to walk me thru it once. It's a simple, crappy site that only allows users to cross check a telephone number. I checked my number for giggles and nothing came up. We checked a few other regulars numbers and some basic, not too useful information came up. Annoying habits, general race etc. Nothing to be worried about.

[QUOTE=StyleNProfile;6520431]I am not an attorney, but if you think carefully about it then there are a lot of little details you can get right that will make it a lot more difficult for them to prosecute you in the event that you walk into a sting.

1) They will probably try to get you to incriminate yourself over the phone before you ever show up. If a girl ever overtly asks you about sexual acts or paying for sex over the phone, then that is a huge red flag and you should just stop right there. It's also why when you call or text you should deliberately use non-sexual language like "I want to make an appointment" because it doesn't imply anything of a sexual nature.

2) When the girl lets you into her place, don't be the one who initiates the LE check. Walk in, then turn around and face her as she is closing the door. Just stand there confidently and look at her like you're expecting something. What should happen is she moves in and offers a kiss, you accept and grab a handful of her ass, and you're good to go. A cop will never initiate to touch you because that is 100% against the rules for them. Note if you're seeing girls who have a shitty attitude and / or dumb and don't know good opsec, then this is trickier because a lot of times they won't initiate either.

3) Bring the cash in an unsealed envelope and never hand it to her directly. Just place the envelope somewhere in clear view and don't mention it or draw her attention to it. A cop will try to get you to admit or acknowledge that it's full of money, so if she says anything of that nature then ignore it.

4) The last thing to watch out for is a cop will try to initiate some kind of sexual conversation once you are there in person to further incriminate you. But remember, they can't touch, they can only talk. If she's intentionally keeping her distance and asking you some overtly sexual stuff or trying to get you to acknowledge that you are there to pay for sex, then just say something like "I don't know what you are talking about" or just STFU and leave.

Keep in mind if you show up to a sting you are probably going to be detained regardless, but if you did everything right and exercise your right to remain silent then they actually don't have much on you. Of course everyone knows why you are there, but remember in court it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. A good defense lawyer will ask the cop: Did he ever ask you for sex? Did he say he was there to have sex? Did he expose himself to you? Did he try to initiate sexual contact with you? Did he offer to pay you for sex? Did he hand you money? If you followed the steps above, then the answer to all of these questions is no, and that can begin to cast a reasonable doubt on what really happened.

Cops know this too, which is why if you don't fuck up and all they have on you is that you showed up, then they might just let you go without charges because it would be too difficult to prosecute. It probably depends on the cop and the though. But even if they charge you, you've got a much better chance of beating it if you avoid talking or acting in an incriminating way.

I would be more than happy to be corrected if there any legit attorneys who can chime in, but I am pretty sure this approach is sound.[/QUOTE]Taking it one point at a time:

1. LE won't mention sexual acts either, they'll be more passive than that, comments such as taking a shower together, laying in bed together, or other such things that might lead to sexual activity, but without directly mentioning sexual activity. Anything more than that and entrapment issues would crop up.

2. A UC LE won't "move in and offer a kiss" to you. She certainly might approach, might touch your arm or some other such innocuous action, but nothing as overt as a kiss. As I detailed in the earlier post, there is no such thing as a legitimate LE check. If you've gotten to the point of being face-to-face in a hotel room or whatever, the odds of you being arrested are extremely high, regardless of what happens next.

3. While there certainly is no harm in being discrete with the cash, in and of itself, that will almost certainly not prevent you from being arrested. As I stated in number 2, if you've gotten that far, it's damn probable you will be arrested, again, regardless of anything else.

4. This bit of advice would be better applied to the initial discussion, well before ever arriving. If there is discussion of a sexual nature, anything that includes money being exchanged, end the conversation and move on. I know a lot of mongers want to know precisely what they'll be getting and for what amount of money. From my perspective, that's a horrible idea, that's the sort of thing that will get arrested. Personally, I'm only visiting ladies that have been reviewed and, from those reviews, I already know what is being offered and for what amount of donation. As stated above, if you're to the point of being right in front of the UC, get ready for the bracelets and a ride to the uncle's hotel.

Yes, if you show up at a sting, you're almost certainly being detained. Actually, you're almost certainly being more than detained, you're being arrested. While it's true that, with a lack of solid evidence, the charges might be reduced or dismissed, LE would rather book you then so as to avoid someone blowing the operation. Plus, due to the sensitive, possibly embarrassing, nature of the charges, many people will plea out just to end it as quickly and quietly as possible, LE knows this too. Trust me, I've seen solid defense cases where the defendant just plead out rather than vigorously fight the allegations.

Sites such as these, sites that offer a wealth of information on providers, these are excellent resources and, along with being smart on how you handle yourself, will go a long way in insuring you avoid that visit to the uncle's place. That said, if you're wanting to be 100% safe, the only way to do that is to retire from the hobby.

Gentlemen, you have exceeded my expectations. Thanks for your contributions. Great stuff for everyone on the forum.

Play safe.

[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6521643]Taking it one point at a time:

1. LE won't mention sexual acts either, they'll be more passive than that, comments such as taking a shower together, laying in bed together, or other such things that might lead to sexual activity, but without directly mentioning sexual activity. Anything more than that and entrapment issues would crop up.

2. A UC LE won't "move in and offer a kiss" to you. She certainly might approach, might touch your arm or some other such innocuous action, but nothing as overt as a kiss. As I detailed in the earlier post, there is no such thing as a legitimate LE check. If you've gotten to the point of being face-to-face in a hotel room or whatever, the odds of you being arrested are extremely high, regardless of what happens next.

3. While there certainly is no harm in being discrete with the cash, in and of itself, that will almost certainly not prevent you from being arrested. As I stated in number 2, if you've gotten that far, it's damn probable you will be arrested, again, regardless of anything else.

4. This bit of advice would be better applied to the initial discussion, well before ever arriving. If there is discussion of a sexual nature, anything that includes money being exchanged, end the conversation and move on. I know a lot of mongers want to know precisely what they'll be getting and for what amount of money. From my perspective, that's a horrible idea, that's the sort of thing that will get arrested. Personally, I'm only visiting ladies that have been reviewed and, from those reviews, I already know what is being offered and for what amount of donation. As stated above, if you're to the point of being right in front of the UC, get ready for the bracelets and a ride to the uncle's hotel.

Yes, if you show up at a sting, you're almost certainly being detained. Actually, you're almost certainly being more than detained, you're being arrested. While it's true that, with a lack of solid evidence, the charges might be reduced or dismissed, LE would rather book you then so as to avoid someone blowing the operation. Plus, due to the sensitive, possibly embarrassing, nature of the charges, many people will plea out just to end it as quickly and quietly as possible, LE knows this too. Trust me, I've seen solid defense cases where the defendant just plead out rather than vigorously fight the allegations.

Sites such as these, sites that offer a wealth of information on providers, these are excellent resources and, along with being smart on how you handle yourself, will go a long way in insuring you avoid that visit to the uncle's place. That said, if you're wanting to be 100% safe, the only way to do that is to retire from the hobby.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Opus1984;6519906]And what would your LEO check be?[/QUOTE]Often LEO checks, crotch grab. Or, show your junk.

I have to laugh when a provider asks if I am LEO. Cops can legally lie. Or can they?

Here is some interesting reading of cases where cops lied and it was legal and some where it was not:

[URL]https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/case-law-on-police-deception-VuP9C033StWR83T4/[/URL]

But if it makes the girl feel good, I am fine with it.

What is my LEO check? Only see provider verified by one of you guys (not all of you guys, sorry) and don't talk money. Fuckin' a ho is not illegal. Paying a ho (or even offering a girl money) is.

Which brings me to a point.

I was wondering if cops ever do the deep while on duty. I found countless accounts of guy cops fuckin' straight and gay, but not one single time did a lady cop posing as a ho fucked a customer. Go figure.

Also, my second point, you may be on the right side of the law but being arrested for solicitation (even if you get off) kinda sucks and will pretty much ruin your life.

Play safe,

C3.

[QUOTE=AsianDayDream;6521291]Just curious. Is there a known reddit thread or forum like USASG where the providers can review us mongers, blacklist us, and post pictures of us as well?[/QUOTE]There is. Dahlia once told with me that her circle of friends share a lot with each other. Now, granted, that is a pretty high end group. She didn't say how they share, but hinted it was some on-line way.

I am on a mailing list with a girl from Tampa. There is a sewing circle there that routinely puts on parties, charging guys $100 entry fee and ladies are free. Even though I have been on their list for years I have never gone to one of their parties (just never met my schedule), but they are usually themed to some holiday. Their attitude is, the party isn't illegal and if people talk in the corner and hook up, they are good with it. I know guys require verification (I got verified way back when) and I can only assume a girls in the party has to be known, to.

Play safe,

C3.

We have Threads for the cuddlers and for non-AMP massage providers, I am wondering if some of you have had experience with Secret Benefit Women and should we have a new thread devoted to them?

[QUOTE=Camera3;6522233]Often LEO checks, crotch grab. Or, show your junk.

I have to laugh when a provider asks if I am LEO. Cops can legally lie. Or can they?

Here is some interesting reading of cases where cops lied and it was legal and some where it was not:

[URL]https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/case-law-on-police-deception-VuP9C033StWR83T4/[/URL]

But if it makes the girl feel good, I am fine with it.

What is my LEO check? Only see provider verified by one of you guys (not all of you guys, sorry) and don't talk money. Fuckin' a ho is not illegal. Paying a ho (or even offering a girl money) is.

Which brings me to a point.

I was wondering if cops ever do the deep while on duty. I found countless accounts of guy cops fuckin' straight and gay, but not one single time did a lady cop posing as a ho fucked a customer. Go figure.

Also, my second point, you may be on the right side of the law but being arrested for solicitation (even if you get off) kinda sucks and will pretty much ruin your life.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]Embarrassingly, I was arrested in a sting 13 years ago in Osceola Co. The girl I went to see had a ton of legit reviews and posted on the .Coms along as USA when they had provider ads. She was working off some jail time by working as a covered informant. Based on her ads and reviews I didn't need any additional information prior to seeing her. I showed up to the hotel and when I entered the room she was wearing a sweat shirt and jeans absolutely showing no skin. She asked me to touch her to prove I wasn't LEO. I touched her tit, and immediately the guys wearing masks came through the door from the adjoining room. We never discussed money, displayed money or said anything sexual. I was arrested and charged with solicitation. These stings aren't really designed to get jail time out of the hobbyists, their goal is to embarrass the shit out of us. I hired a lawyer, paid a hefty retainer and before he could do anything the charges were dropped. Other than not showing up to the appointment, I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent from being arrested in sting operations. If you show up you are going to jail. Just my $0.02.

That's a lot of resources to use just to embarrass someone. Odds are you were clean in other areas of your life and the cops couldn't charge you with drug possession, illegal firearms possession or hold you for an outstanding warrant. And they probably netted more than you that day. But thank you for sharing this.

[QUOTE=Todds57;6522770]Embarrassingly, I was arrested in a sting 13 years ago in Osceola Co. The girl I went to see had a ton of legit reviews and posted on the .Coms along as USA when they had provider ads. She was working off some jail time by working as a covered informant. Based on her ads and reviews I didn't need any additional information prior to seeing her. I showed up to the hotel and when I entered the room she was wearing a sweat shirt and jeans absolutely showing no skin. She asked me to touch her to prove I wasn't LEO. I touched her tit, and immediately the guys wearing masks came through the door from the adjoining room. We never discussed money, displayed money or said anything sexual. I was arrested and charged with solicitation. These stings aren't really designed to get jail time out of the hobbyists, their goal is to embarrass the shit out of us. I hired a lawyer, paid a hefty retainer and before he could do anything the charges were dropped. Other than not showing up to the appointment, I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent from being arrested in sting operations. If you show up you are going to jail. Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]

You lawyered up and that is the smartest move.

They will go away because they are looking for the quickest easiest route to a conviction!

[QUOTE=Todds57;6522770]Embarrassingly, I was arrested in a sting 13 years ago in Osceola Co. The girl I went to see had a ton of legit reviews and posted on the .Coms along as USA when they had provider ads. She was working off some jail time by working as a covered informant. Based on her ads and reviews I didn't need any additional information prior to seeing her. I showed up to the hotel and when I entered the room she was wearing a sweat shirt and jeans absolutely showing no skin. She asked me to touch her to prove I wasn't LEO. I touched her tit, and immediately the guys wearing masks came through the door from the adjoining room. We never discussed money, displayed money or said anything sexual. I was arrested and charged with solicitation. These stings aren't really designed to get jail time out of the hobbyists, their goal is to embarrass the shit out of us. I hired a lawyer, paid a hefty retainer and before he could do anything the charges were dropped. Other than not showing up to the appointment, I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent from being arrested in sting operations. If you show up you are going to jail. Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]

Any ginger providers out there? Bbjcimws a must. Will travel almost anywhere in florida.

Empty your mailbox, I have tried to send you info on Nikkole multiple times.

[QUOTE=Todds57;6522770]Embarrassingly, I was arrested in a sting 13 years ago in Osceola Co. The girl I went to see had a ton of legit reviews and posted on the .Coms along as USA when they had provider ads. She was working off some jail time by working as a covered informant. Based on her ads and reviews I didn't need any additional information prior to seeing her. I showed up to the hotel and when I entered the room she was wearing a sweat shirt and jeans absolutely showing no skin. She asked me to touch her to prove I wasn't LEO. I touched her tit, and immediately the guys wearing masks came through the door from the adjoining room. We never discussed money, displayed money or said anything sexual. I was arrested and charged with solicitation. These stings aren't really designed to get jail time out of the hobbyists, their goal is to embarrass the shit out of us. I hired a lawyer, paid a hefty retainer and before he could do anything the charges were dropped. Other than not showing up to the appointment, I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent from being arrested in sting operations. If you show up you are going to jail. Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]This is the reason I never meet in the room. They do not come out let them starve.

[QUOTE=Camera3;6522239]There is. Dahlia once told with me that her circle of friends share a lot with each other. Now, granted, that is a pretty high end group. She didn't say how they share, but hinted it was some on-line way.

I am on a mailing list with a girl from Tampa. There is a sewing circle there that routinely puts on parties, charging guys $100 entry fee and ladies are free. Even though I have been on their list for years I have never gone to one of their parties (just never met my schedule), but they are usually themed to some holiday. Their attitude is, the party isn't illegal and if people talk in the corner and hook up, they are good with it. I know guys require verification (I got verified way back when) and I can only assume a girls in the party has to be known, to.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]I used to be on the list until I quit the hobby. Probably went to one with you. Do they still throw those?

[QUOTE=Todds57;6522770]Embarrassingly, I was arrested in a sting 13 years ago in Osceola Co. The girl I went to see had a ton of legit reviews and posted on the .Coms along as USA when they had provider ads. She was working off some jail time by working as a covered informant. Based on her ads and reviews I didn't need any additional information prior to seeing her. I showed up to the hotel and when I entered the room she was wearing a sweat shirt and jeans absolutely showing no skin. She asked me to touch her to prove I wasn't LEO. I touched her tit, and immediately the guys wearing masks came through the door from the adjoining room. We never discussed money, displayed money or said anything sexual. I was arrested and charged with solicitation. These stings aren't really designed to get jail time out of the hobbyists, their goal is to embarrass the shit out of us. I hired a lawyer, paid a hefty retainer and before he could do anything the charges were dropped. Other than not showing up to the appointment, I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent from being arrested in sting operations. If you show up you are going to jail. Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that happened to you. While clearly that sort of thing can happen, it is very infrequent. To be clear, I'm referring to LE using a known provider to set up a sting. First, LE has much more control over the situation when everyone is LE, rather than using non-LE as part of the sting operation. Also, the vast majority of prostitution arrests are misdemeanor offenses and it is usually considered to not be worth the effort, to the government or the defendant, to work off misdemeanor offenses in this sort of way. While not an absolute, the majority of situations where a defendant is cooperating with LE will involve felony charges.

As to your situation specifically, and hugely speculative on my part, I'd guess there was very little other evidence, besides you responding to the ad and showing up, and the government dropped the charge because there was a belief they could not prove the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. While there may have been sufficient evidence for probable cause and an arrest, that is not the same as beyond a reasonable doubt and a conviction.

[QUOTE=Camera3;6522233]Often LEO checks, crotch grab. Or, show your junk.

I have to laugh when a provider asks if I am LEO. Cops can legally lie. Or can they?

Here is some interesting reading of cases where cops lied and it was legal and some where it was not:

[URL]https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/case-law-on-police-deception-VuP9C033StWR83T4/[/URL]

But if it makes the girl feel good, I am fine with it.

What is my LEO check? Only see provider verified by one of you guys (not all of you guys, sorry) and don't talk money. Fuckin' a ho is not illegal. Paying a ho (or even offering a girl money) is.

Which brings me to a point.

I was wondering if cops ever do the deep while on duty. I found countless accounts of guy cops fuckin' straight and gay, but not one single time did a lady cop posing as a ho fucked a customer. Go figure.

Also, my second point, you may be on the right side of the law but being arrested for solicitation (even if you get off) kinda sucks and will pretty much ruin your life.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]Yes, cops can, and do, lie. In general, they can lie about evidence, things like witnesses, witness statements, fingerprints, DNA and the like. They cannot lie about the law, such as telling a defendant that what occurred wasn't criminal when it was, or telling them it was something not terribly serious, basically creating a false "safe harbor" for the suspect to enter into only to find out he had been deceived. And yes, the mere arrest "kinda sucks" and will definitely have an impact on most defendants. There will be the arrest (obviously) and likely posting bond, hiring an attorney, having your picture posted online, it may cause issues with employment and, if there is an SO, surely problems there too. Hence my earlier comments about many such defendants entering a plea quickly, regardless of any evidentiary problems, simply because they want to put it behind them as quickly as is possible.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/orlando/145543323[/URL]

[QUOTE=JrRussel;6525370[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/orlando/145543323[/URL][/QUOTE]This is not a legit ad, don't waste your time. Look at the horrible grammar and syntax. Even the dumbest people don't say "sex positions". Look how explicit the ad is and is offering everything for TGTBT rate. Its fake.

Hey Gents, anyone know of any reliable / trustworthy pregnant providers? Willing to travel a bit if the provider is worthwhile. Feel free to send me a PM with any leads. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MiloHibiscus;6513052]So I rented a hotel for the night, Friday in a mediocre location in Kissimmee and decided to enjoy some company. Literally an hour went by and many providers trusted and reviewed didn't bother to respond at all. I decided to take a chance and check out something local and I wish I had / hadn't.

Eve as she calls herself was staying at a mediocre / somewhat shady motel on 192/ siesta Lago Dr. If you know the area by night it can be shady as can be but by day no big deal. I took a chance and picked her up that night around 10 ish after her scheduled appointment cancelled (lucky guy). Picking her up was easy and she wore something sexy as I requested, shorts, a cute cut blouse and heels. Classy but slutty looking just how I wanted, she's about 5'5" and thick luscious legs with dread extensions (she's Italian).

Picked her up and did a kiss / touch to calm the nerves and we drove back to the motel. Friendly, sweet girl and liked to be sweet talked and chill talk. Copped some feels on the drive to the hotel. Once in the door she asked for the donation (first red flag) and I decided to give her half then the rest later. I began to dream and in my dream I rubbed her ass and legs as she took off her shorts and thong. She let me spread her legs to her shaved pussy. She mentioned she had 3 kids but didn't really show except for very, very little tummy that barely stuck out when laying down. Pussy was okay, a little fat but decent, shaved. She didn't hesitate to let me tongue and lick her clean sweet ass. Pussy tasty good too. I couldn't tell if she enjoyed it so I moved to BBBJ and she suckled away. Not great but in motion and smooth with every bob up and down.

The head got me hard enough and I took her to the next bed and bent her thick ass over and pounded away. I heard some light moans but she had sniffles almost like a cold whenever she moved around or sucked dick. Her ass was soft and she took a pounding in doggy that I had her in rhythm, I smacked it and talked dirty to her. I thought about exploding but I wanted to move to mish. She got up first and wobbled back to the other bed like she was drunk and started putting her panties back on, this had me wondering if she was on something. We layed and cuddled and I got her to start sucking again but this time she tapped out and just stared at it while stroking (2nd red flag). She was tapped out or suddenly lost interest. I was hard enough that I tried to get on her and she said "this was bullshit and that I only gave half up front and that she needed the rest because it's been 30 minutes already" (which I told her I'd do until later she'll get the rest because this was the first time we meet). About 20 minutes into the action she requested more even though we set for an hour ahead of time.

I got fed up and realized she was clock watching and suddenly lacked interest for whatever reason. We immediately got dressed and I needed to get rid of her back at her place. She mentioned she needed to make new friends. I was happy to be a regular but unfortunately she really dropped the ball this time. At least we know and I didn't lose the hour but even the half was half good and the rest prevented me from finishing. Maybe she's a quickly type, I'd recommend that instead but she has that thick urban white chick look to her. Classy dressed but a freak when she wants to. On the way home she was passing out or maybe she was falling asleep in my car. She was completely awake at the beginning but I guess it only lasted 15 minutes.

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Face: 6.

Body: 7. 5.

Attitude: 5.

Looks: Much better than her pics, she can pass for 15 years younger than she is.

-Milo does not approve![/QUOTE]You got lucky. That area you should avoid at all costs. It's gotten to risky over there. Just stay away from that whole strip. To many trouble makers. Handlers starting stuff. You have to remember those guys over there have nothing to lose, so they don't mind starting trouble. Nothing good is over there anymore.

Pretty sure its her. [URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/21/2-arrested-in-central-florida-human-trafficking-investigation-mbi-seeks-more-possible-victims/[/URL].

[QUOTE=OrlandoFunTime;6530631]Pretty sure its her. [URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/21/2-arrested-in-central-florida-human-trafficking-investigation-mbi-seeks-more-possible-victims/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yikes, that is her.

[QUOTE=PapiCholo;6530682]Yikes, that is her.[/QUOTE]Yup that's her saw her on the news and couldn't believe it very sad if all that is true. I know she has a couple kids unfortunate to know she's in jail.

[QUOTE=LovesToDream13;6531497]Yup that's her saw her on the news and couldn't believe it very sad if all that is true. I know she has a couple kids unfortunate to know she's in jail.[/QUOTE]She got arrested again Friday / Saturday for prostitution.

[QUOTE=OrlandoFunTime;6530631]Pretty sure its her. [URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/21/2-arrested-in-central-florida-human-trafficking-investigation-mbi-seeks-more-possible-victims/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yep, that's def. her. I'm a bit surprised by this. I always thought she had a set list of safe clients after all these years. She asks $$$$$ plus, I offered her $$$ once to come hang and she declined, she was very cool and sweet about it though. Couple yrs. back, one girl under her wing K8ybby, robbed some dude with her boyfriend and the victim ended up getting popped. (Probably setting up one of her dates) Her and her man received murder charges, I was talking to her also, glad that didn't come to fruition. Would of liked to have linked with LWhite's cute friend (recently released, not bailed out) Autumn. None of these girls were doing anything against their will I don't believe, LW was just acting as a pseudo-madam.(though the article says otherwise) Why I say this is because Autumn was with her before she went to jail for a couple yrs. and came back to her after and seemed quite happy. Usually these girls were LW's friend/lover at the time. All her girls seemed to adore her. Not a surprise since LW has a very fun, intelligent and charismatic personality.

Wow, these are some serious charges, I feel really bad for her kids.

Just trying to get some general advice here. Had a dream I tried to setup an appointment with Legz recently (we've never met). Tried calling her first, no answer, immediately received a text telling me to respond to that instead. All was going well at first, asks my age etc. Tried to setup an appointment within the next hour, then she texts and says "bring condoms". Now, I want to be clear, I get that she is a well-known 'trusted' provider, but I am extremely careful. We've never met, I didn't get to talk to you on phone, then you send me something incriminating like that? I immediately stopped responding and didn't follow through with the date. I don't care how well reviewed a provider is, shit can happen, phones get stolen, and sometimes a girl is trying to work-off a charge. Again, I doubt this is the case with Legz, but I've got a personal set of rules that I won't see someone if anything explicit referencing sexual activity is sent—my radar goes off. Do you all think I'm too careful?

[QUOTE=CountZer0;6531968]Just trying to get some general advice here. Had a dream I tried to setup an appointment with Legz recently (we've never met). Tried calling her first, no answer, immediately received a text telling me to respond to that instead. All was going well at first, asks my age etc. Tried to setup an appointment within the next hour, then she texts and says "bring condoms". Now, I want to be clear, I get that she is a well-known 'trusted' provider, but I am extremely careful. We've never met, I didn't get to talk to you on phone, then you send me something incriminating like that? I immediately stopped responding and didn't follow through with the date. I don't care how well reviewed a provider is, shit can happen, phones get stolen, and sometimes a girl is trying to work-off a charge. Again, I doubt this is the case with Legz, but I've got a personal set of rules that I won't see someone if anything explicit referencing sexual activity is sentmy radar goes off. Do you all think I'm too careful?[/QUOTE]All text convos I've had with her start with "Hey hun, have we ever met?" Asks for age, then gives you her rates.

Seen her twice, and once you get past her shoddy comms, it's a fun dream.

Still, you can never be too careful, if your gut tells you nah, then move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=CountZer0;6531968]Just trying to get some general advice here. Had a dream I tried to setup an appointment with Legz recently (we've never met). Tried calling her first, no answer, immediately received a text telling me to respond to that instead. All was going well at first, asks my age etc. Tried to setup an appointment within the next hour, then she texts and says "bring condoms". Now, I want to be clear, I get that she is a well-known 'trusted' provider, but I am extremely careful. We've never met, I didn't get to talk to you on phone, then you send me something incriminating like that? I immediately stopped responding and didn't follow through with the date. I don't care how well reviewed a provider is, shit can happen, phones get stolen, and sometimes a girl is trying to work-off a charge. Again, I doubt this is the case with Legz, but I've got a personal set of rules that I won't see someone if anything explicit referencing sexual activity is sentmy radar goes off. Do you all think I'm too careful?[/QUOTE]I don't care who the provider is or how well trusted they are, the second they say condoms, I'm out. And then when I contact them in the future I just hope they don't say it again.

[QUOTE=PaulAtreides;6532019]I don't care who the provider is or how well trusted they are, the second they say condoms, I'm out. And then when I contact them in the future I just hope they don't say it again.[/QUOTE]100%. I have always bailed with that kind of message. Better safe than sorry.

You did the 100% Right Thing.

[QUOTE=CountZer0;6531968]Just trying to get some general advice here. Had a dream I tried to setup an appointment with Legz recently (we've never met). Tried calling her first, no answer, immediately received a text telling me to respond to that instead. All was going well at first, asks my age etc. Tried to setup an appointment within the next hour, then she texts and says "bring condoms". Now, I want to be clear, I get that she is a well-known 'trusted' provider, but I am extremely careful. We've never met, I didn't get to talk to you on phone, then you send me something incriminating like that? I immediately stopped responding and didn't follow through with the date. I don't care how well reviewed a provider is, shit can happen, phones get stolen, and sometimes a girl is trying to work-off a charge. Again, I doubt this is the case with Legz, but I've got a personal set of rules that I won't see someone if anything explicit referencing sexual activity is sentmy radar goes off. Do you all think I'm too careful?[/QUOTE]

This is not a review. Just FYI. She advertises 200 for HF. I thought this was a typo because most of the time when it's a half hour at HHR. Glad I confirmed that was the price prior to arrival.

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Has anyone seen her? Can't find reviews and new to this.

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[QUOTE=CountZer0;6531968]Just trying to get some general advice here. Had a dream I tried to setup an appointment with Legz recently (we've never met). Tried calling her first, no answer, immediately received a text telling me to respond to that instead. All was going well at first, asks my age etc. Tried to setup an appointment within the next hour, then she texts and says "bring condoms". Now, I want to be clear, I get that she is a well-known 'trusted' provider, but I am extremely careful. We've never met, I didn't get to talk to you on phone, then you send me something incriminating like that? I immediately stopped responding and didn't follow through with the date. I don't care how well reviewed a provider is, shit can happen, phones get stolen, and sometimes a girl is trying to work-off a charge. Again, I doubt this is the case with Legz, but I've got a personal set of rules that I won't see someone if anything explicit referencing sexual activity is sentmy radar goes off. Do you all think I'm too careful?[/QUOTE]You did what you thought was safe and that is totally fine. I just find it funny because Legz has been doing this for so long that she doesn't even care to be safe than sorry LOL. She'll always text saying she needs something beforehand to buy herself some more time.

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[QUOTE=ComShep;6535785]You did what you thought was safe and that is totally fine. I just find it funny because Legz has been doing this for so long that she doesn't even care to be safe than sorry LOL. She'll always text saying she needs something beforehand to buy herself some more time.[/QUOTE]After reading your response, I was reminded of a situation that happened to me over a year ago with a popular UTR. I arrived at her place on time and texted her the customary "I'm here". I sent this message several times and after about 15 minutes I was getting ready to leave, I got a "over slept I just woke up". She said I'll ready in 10 minutes. I requested if I can proceed to her place and wait there rather than in my hot car and plenty of people passing. A couple of minutes later I get " can you get me a pack of cigarettes?" I said I am not sure where to get a pack of cigarettes. She said at a gas station a mile away. So for her to buy time because she woke up late (after 1 pm) I drove to a gas station to buy a pack of overpriced cigarettes.

When I finally got to her place I gave her the pack of cigarettes, she took it and tossed it in the freezer along side an open carton of cigarettes already in the freezer.

Decent comms, stays at a so-so hotel on I-Drive. Covered everything but before the cover she prefers to sit and grind on you with her hairiness and get you off (as seen in the pics). However, she's NOT what I consider GFE. No LFK, no DFK, no daty, no dato. HJ, covered BJ, covered FS. She's cute. Her breasts have significant vertical scars from a semi-recent surgery. Would repeat for HHr, not Hr. I was delighted there was no waiting and no "go get me something" when I arrived. But this has been many months ago. She shuttles among here, Miami and PR, I think.

[QUOTE=Robcontroller;6540874]Anyone see camila mendez? The ad mentions nuru massage, Escort babylon doesn't have any reviews and I can't find any info on her on the search bar here, thanks in advance.

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