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Stopped by fccc. Too much focus on the local AMP scene recently. Again disappointed in the provider. The provider was in her 40's, lot of belly flab, sagging chest. Little head took over. She was pleasant and enthusiastic. Just wanted to get it over with and get out. Not worth a repeat.
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NoVa's Asian massage parlors can be fronts for human sex trafficking, authorities say.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/novas-asian-massage-parlors-can-be-fronts-for-human-sex-trafficking-authorities-say/2011/10/03/gIQAeWO6IL_blog.html[/url]
Its election time
[QUOTE=Vamassage Fan; 1290315]NoVa's Asian massage parlors can be fronts for human sex trafficking, authorities say.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/novas-asian-massage-parlors-can-be-fronts-for-human-sex-trafficking-authorities-say/2011/10/03/gIQAeWO6IL_blog.html[/url]
Its election time[/QUOTE]This guy may be one frequent visitor himself. I don't trust him just on the way he looks. Massage polar has been around forever, and he is just bringing it up now?
[QUOTE=Vamassage Fan; 1290315]NoVa's Asian massage parlors can be fronts for human sex trafficking, authorities say.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/novas-asian-massage-parlors-can-be-fronts-for-human-sex-trafficking-authorities-say/2011/10/03/gIQAeWO6IL_blog.html[/url]
Its election time[/QUOTE]Reading that article almost makes me sick to my stomach. This whole notion of "human trafficking" and some sort of forced servitude / slavery by an organized criminal element is virtually 100% nonsense. I can speak from literal first hand experience that virtually all of these women (in the Korean AMPs. Which make up the vast vast majority) are 100% independent and working on their own accord. To include when they work, where they work, how long. Etc. There is no force involved whatsoever. There is no leadership. There is no criminal organization behind it. Yes, it is organized insofar as they all work via referral and connection. It is common that one of these older woman (who worked many years as an AMP girl) may very well now own her own spa / AMP (or a couple) so she has built up her "network" of friends and they work for together for their own mutual benefit. They all keep in touch and communicate and work at different spas for there own mutual benefit. They all "keep to themselves" and are secretive, obviously out of necessity. There is no controlling "head" or element in an organized crime manner however. Utter nonsense.
It is a perception of this. Only because of a culture difference and for those that want to perpetuate inaccuracies / false information for political leverage (this articles case). Yes. Quite often when they do work, it is usually the entire day. 7 days a week, for maybe a month or two or so at a time. They stay, quite often, in the AMP too. This is just how they do it. It is how they want to do it. It is a convenience and safety thing. It is a money thing. It is their culture. After hours, they socialize and relax (sometimes venturing out together to enjoy themselves after hours, run errands, etc.). They stick together. They do it this way because they are hard and honest workers. They do it this way because it attracts less attention by coming and going daily. They do it this way because they have a system that works.
They like that they can work in this manner for 2 or 3 months of the year. And conceivably vacation the rest. Many of these women have families and children and like that they can work 2 or 3 months a year and make, effectively, what a "normal" upper middle class worker in this country would make in an entire year of full time work. Some of them like that they can work 2 months, take a month off to relax. And repeat. They are quite often very frugal (there are cases of girls with drinking and gambling problems however). Maybe they'll do this for 6 to 8 years and then quite literally have enough to retire if they are wise with their money.
NOBODY IS GETTING HARMED. NOBODY IS A VICTIM (except for the gullible public masses that fall for propaganda like what is espoused in this article). Colossal waste of our tax dollars by LE. Victimless "crime". It sure makes a flashy platform for the Jim Bob running for political office (who I would bet my last dollar has / does frequent these places himself). The ignorant and jesus loves eat it up alike!
*Caveat: I'll admit that there may very well be VERY small pockets of abuse or coercion. But it is never in the Korean AMPs (again which make up the vast vast majority of AMPs). The rare latino or Russian places I've read about. I would not be surprised at all. But target those places. And make the effort to identify the real criminals behind them. Don't bother the women making a living for focks sake. If a woman is working via coercion. Then help her, don't make her a criminal.
I concur. I wonder when the raids will start? I remember seeing a girl show up in a BMW once.
[QUOTE=Richmond Mas;1290326]This guy may be one frequent visitor himself. I don't trust him just on the way he looks. Massage polar has been around forever, and he is just bringing it up now?[/QUOTE]LOL, he's been in Congress for 30+ years. He's just trying to earn some brownie points with the "family values" crowd. And yeah, he looks like he's seen the inside of a few "places of ill repute" in his day.
This is a bit concerning though:
[quote]The locations are uniformly bland and low-key, on the outside. One parlor in Merrifield, enthusiastically reviewed by several mongers, was in an apartment-style office complex on Route 50 near Gallows Road, but was not open late last week. Another, in an office park near Fairfax Circle, was open but the woman at the desk said she was only a cleaning lady, and that nothing illegal occurred there.
At an industrial park in Chantilly, another well-reviewed parlor was sandwiched in between body shops and tire stores. A sign on the door said it was on vacation for four weeks. In another office park in Chantilly, near a dentist's office and a day care center, no one was available to be interviewed, the woman at the front desk said.[/QUOTE]
Just a friendly reminder that Uncle LEO can read this forum just as easily as you can. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what spots are being talked about.
I love getting details as much as anyone else but. . .nobody wants to see their favorite spots closed down or their face in the Post.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven;1290949].I remember seeing a girl show up in a BMW once.[/QUOTE]Darn straight. Further. I know more than one woman personally in the business. As an example. Used to keep in touch a little (been a couple years though) with one. She is married, has adult children now, takes / took multiple nice vacations a year, has two houses paid for. A third only a small mortgage on (that was then. Probably paid for now) , nice luxury cars, children's college paid for and finished, nice cash nest egg, etc. She worked very hard (like 5-6 months out of a year) for about 8 years if I recall the time frame correctly. She hasn't worked now for a couple years as everything is paid for and her husbands modest income provides plenty for their daily needs. I, for one, admire the dedication these women have for their families. We should these types of people into our society. They are a net gain overall to our country / economy. They take nothing in terms of government services, are entirely self reliant and supportive, and overall add to our economy / society. Fat lazy self-entitled white and black American women could learn a thing or two from them on hard work and dedication to their families.
[QUOTE=DeuceSlim; 1290993].
Just a friendly reminder that Uncle LEO can read this forum just as easily as you can. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what spots are being talked about.
I love getting details as much as anyone else but. Nobody wants to see their favorite spots closed down or their face in the Post.[/QUOTE]This is really a red herring type of argument / effort. There is nothing LE already doesn't know already re: where and what. That they may find / read on here. I agree reasonable diligence is necessary on dealing with less established members (how many times have we seen the "new members" with one or two posts asking where they can go get "action". These guys obviously need to be ignored for obvious reasons) and also with publicly posting every last detail (PM among senior members can provide the nitty gritty). But, would urge folks NOT to discontinue contributing in fear. It just doesn't really make a difference. And I believe is ultimately a net gain for both the AMPs and us to continue.
[QUOTE=TivoTerry;1291021]This is really a red herring type of argument / effort. There is nothing LE already doesn't know already re: where and what. That they may find / read on here. I agree reasonable diligence is necessary on dealing with less established members (how many times have we seen the "new members" with one or two posts asking where they can go get "action". These guys obviously need to be ignored for obvious reasons) and also with publicly posting every last detail (PM among senior members can provide the nitty gritty). But, would urge folks NOT to discontinue contributing in fear. It just doesn't really make a difference. And I believe is ultimately a net gain for both the AMPs and us to continue.[/QUOTE]Oh, I agree. I wasn't saying for people to stop contributing, just be aware that there are a lot of extra eyes around here.
I concur with other posts on this topic so far and just wanted to add my $.02. Most AMP's hire women willing to work, and they tend to work hard for a short time and before cashing out. This is why there are always people on the board looking for his ATF, it's always possible she found greener grass, but more likely than not: she made enough money and quit the business temporarily or permenantly. I actually had a provider who wanted to be a masseuse (the legit kind) , and decided to work in AMP for a few months so she could gather enough capital to open her own business. I wouldn't be surprised there are women desperate for money turning to this, but I would be VERY VERY surprised if any of the places I have been to actually employ sex slaves like this article suggests. The providers would be Oscar-worthy actresses or liars. Because a lot of what we enjoy, is the attitude of the providers. I don't think most of us can have an enslaved, crying, upset and / or depressed provider and desire an HE from her. Case in point, if you walk into any AMP and ask for a provider who does FS, even if you are a regular, mamasan will always deny your request. If you find a providers willing and able, that's a different story because nobody forced her, but think about it, what kind of sex-slave brothel openly denies customers who want FS?
I have no doubt local operators actively recruit women who they know are in need of money. Questionable and / or possibly unethical business practice? Sure. Sex-slaving? Hardly! I think the biggest problem with Polaris' misconception about AMPs. They may read the forums, but they don't go into the AMPs as customers and don't see how the providers interact with customers and just simply don't know the whole picture.
Now the Latino (and / or Eastern European if there are any around here) operations, they are a different story as Tivoterry has suggested, and I wouldn't touch them with a 60-foot pole. Those are what Polaris and police should focus their energy upon if sex slave problem is what they really care about.
[QUOTE=Vamassage Fan; 1290315]NoVa's Asian massage parlors can be fronts for human sex trafficking, authorities say.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/novas-asian-massage-parlors-can-be-fronts-for-human-sex-trafficking-authorities-say/2011/10/03/gIQAeWO6IL_blog.html[/url]
Its election time[/QUOTE]
One reason these women can keep so much is they are not paying taxes like Americans are. AMPs are a cash business and they take advantage of that fact. If you or I didn't have to pay the IRS their vig we could retire early too.
Been way to long since I have been active, am visiting from Baltimore and had an ache. Cute and bubbly provider, decent conversation. Standard rates and I left happy.
Would like some info on ACC if anyone is willing to share. No car so TCCC is not an option.
In NoVA there are many fine establishments.
From the outsode, many of them have seen better days, but inside is warm and a good massage.
I visited a place that has been mentioned on the list recently as having "official visitors" earlier in the week.
It was true. Inspectors came. Checked liscense and safety of facility. And left.
Yes. It is a time for discretion. So, I'll not identify it further. And I'll not name the therapist (other than to say, she was "new" (to me if not to others).
TS. OK. But this is a place that usually has great TS.
Massage. Was mostly soft. But of good quality.
Everything about normal. Except, after I arrived others kept ringing the bell. They go busy, so for my first visit with the lady, she cut my time short. Also unusual for this place.
MMS gave me a big hug as I left. Thanked me for being understanding.
Standard rates and tip. I was nice to the lady (but not more generous than was appropriate). Be discrete and you be nice also.
PA
I know of AMPs that have been shut down because of too much publicity. Either their own or because of these kinds of forums. Share enough info to help keep your favorite spots in business but not enough to get them shut down. Post all your reports of unsatisfying encounters for the world to see.
[QUOTE=TivoTerry;1291021]This is really a red herring type of argument / effort. There is nothing LE already doesn't know already re: where and what. That they may find / read on here. I agree reasonable diligence is necessary on dealing with less established members (how many times have we seen the "new members" with one or two posts asking where they can go get "action". These guys obviously need to be ignored for obvious reasons) and also with publicly posting every last detail (PM among senior members can provide the nitty gritty). But, would urge folks NOT to discontinue contributing in fear. It just doesn't really make a difference. And I believe is ultimately a net gain for both the AMPs and us to continue.[/QUOTE]
Hey y'all, I'll be heading up to the Chantilly area this weekend for the gun show. I'm going to be getting a hotel room for the two day stint at the show (you can never see everything in one day, especially at a show this big) , and I'd like to find something to entertain me for the evening after the show closes. I know "NoVa" is a pretty big area, is there anything in easy driving distance of Chantilly that you would recommend? I would prefer not having to go into DC, but when push comes to shove, I won't be picky.
Thanks!