"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

If she keeps blowing you off log in and cancel her insurance and get a refund.

[QUOTE=ChipandPutt;2026014]As I mentioned in my initial post, I had most a lot of expensive mistakes but feel as I have learned from those experiences. I have a current situation which I am trying to salvage (after making some initial mistakes again) and would welcome any suggestions or advice from others:

Using SD4 Me, I received a reply from a 21 blonde in my area whom I had messaged on a couple of occasions. All went well with the first couple of M&G's and she was willing to enter the FC during the first week.

However, things started going downhill the next week. First, she asked for help with her car insurance. I hesitated but she said that could apply to our next 2 dates. Since our visit to the FC was pretty awesome, I gladly agreed. So she gave me her login info and I took care of the initial premium.

Then there were more "emergencies" that seemed to follow thereafter. However, since I had access to her personal info from the insurance login, I was able to perfom some due diligence (facebook, twitter). Based on her twitter account, her stories weren't adding up. For instance, being sick, having a job, etc. In fact, she had agreed to make a visit to the FC this past weekend but backed out to being "sick" Although, his twitter showed that was anything but true as she was going out with friends both nights.

Earlier this week, I said no to another emergency request and she then stood me up on a lunch date. So, I have attempted some efforts to salvage this relationship, since I really to continue visits to the FC with her. I have followed up with an email stating what I am willing to pay per date that ends up in the FC. She never responded to the email, but over text has said that is fine with her.

In the following days, we have texted some back and forth and all seems to be a go at this point for this weekend. In fact, she replied to a text yesterday that she missed me (although it took her 6 hours to return the text) At this point, I am skeptical about things and realize she may just be messing with me with. At this point, I am willing to put up with a certain amount of drama for visits to the FC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Girlmoneys;2026797]If she keeps blowing you off log in and cancel her insurance and get a refund.[/QUOTE]Do Not Prepay for future service!! Repeat after me, Do not =.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2027101]Do Not Prepay for future service!! Repeat after me, Do not =.[/QUOTE]I learned the hard way. My first experience from SA website. We had emailed back and forth and she was the first I had hotlisted. Late 20's and had child. Made plans to meet but she had to to reschedule but gave sad story of why she needed the money so I made arrangements to meet and give an advance. Scheduled time to meet the following week but she wanted paid again (another sob story) I partially gave in but decided that would be it. She was just after the money and I don't know what she needed it for but I am sure she was not truthful. Too bad because she looked great, was good in bed but not worth the headache. Bottom line, DO NOT give anything in advance!

[QUOTE=ChipandPutt;2026014]As I mentioned in my initial post, I had most a lot of expensive mistakes but feel as I have learned from those experiences. I have a current situation which I am trying to salvage (after making some initial mistakes again) and would welcome any suggestions or advice from others:

Using SD4 Me, I received a reply from a 21 blonde in my area whom I had messaged on a couple of occasions. All went well with the first couple of M&G's and she was willing to enter the FC during the first week.

However, things started going downhill the next week. First, she asked for help with her car insurance. I hesitated but she said that could apply to our next 2 dates. Since our visit to the FC was pretty awesome, I gladly agreed. So she gave me her login info and I took care of the initial premium.

Then there were more "emergencies" that seemed to follow thereafter. However, since I had access to her personal info from the insurance login, I was able to perfom some due diligence (facebook, twitter). Based on her twitter account, her stories weren't adding up. For instance, being sick, having a job, etc. In fact, she had agreed to make a visit to the FC this past weekend but backed out to being "sick" Although, his twitter showed that was anything but true as she was going out with friends both nights.

Earlier this week, I said no to another emergency request and she then stood me up on a lunch date. So, I have attempted some efforts to salvage this relationship, since I really to continue visits to the FC with her. I have followed up with an email stating what I am willing to pay per date that ends up in the FC. She never responded to the email, but over text has said that is fine with her.

In the following days, we have texted some back and forth and all seems to be a go at this point for this weekend. In fact, she replied to a text yesterday that she missed me (although it took her 6 hours to return the text) At this point, I am skeptical about things and realize she may just be messing with me with. At this point, I am willing to put up with a certain amount of drama for visits to the FC.[/QUOTE]As others said, never prepay for anything. Also if I were you, before your next meeting you need to get back into the website and make sure nothing about your credit card is stored on file and that there is nothing that will auto-bill your card recurringly. An insurance company website is a lot more trustworthy than others (worse places you could have given your cc info to) but in general I would nix that practice with regard to SB's, and do cash only and after the fact only. If there's any chance you'll get auto rebilled and the site gives you a hard time, call the bank to get a new card number issued, say you've lost it and you fear it could be compromised. If it were me I would also try to wipe my name off the billing info records on the site, just incase things go sour and she tries to do something with your real name, etc.

As far as researching her on FB / twitter, I do the same thing and try to find out as much as I can about them when I can ahead of time, then keep an eye on it. I'm sure they do the same to me as much as they are able, but I reveal very little about myself online. I'm never surprised when I see things on FB or Twitter from them I don't like, but for example with one POT that I will see soon, she is in her early 20's now and her last childish / silly social media activity was when she was in her late teens, so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that's she's outgrown stupid to some extent. At least she seems to have in email.

In the theme of funny things that Sbs say. I have to pull one out from the archives. This was from one of the first POTs that I ever met. When she showed up over an hour late, I noticed immediately that she was not the same person as in her pictures. I mean it was a totally different person. I was so naive then. And man did it show. So she gets there at the hotel bar and we start chatting. Me being all honest and open and such. Telling her everything about myself. Big mistake. And her figuring out how many ways she can lie.

Then out of the blue this air-headed scamming ***** tells me that she used to be a doctor. An actual physician and that she gave it up to be an interior decorator. No shit. Now I know a lot of doctors have a lot in my family. And a doctor is not a career it is a calling. They start on this path when they are very young and they never stop until they die or someone takes their license away from them. I have an uncle in his 70's that was forced to retire from the hospital because of age. So he works all of the holidays because the other docs don't want to do it. And he is the only one willing to do it. And it is the only times of the year he practices anymore.

What was even funnier is that I sat there and let her say this and did not get up and leave or bust out laughing. Man was that a mistake. This became my batshit crazy stalker that almost cost me my marriage. Man was I dumb-ass back then.

It is funny when you think about it.

Revvo.

So this report is going to be a little shorter. I have reduced it down to one regular SB. And she is pretty damn awesome. All of my other POTs and SBs have fallen by the wayside. She is my focus for now. As Fred said I am in lust. Now she aint perfect but she is pretty damn good for a SB. Not marrying material but definitely mistress material. She is beautiful sexy funny, always in a good mood, good communicator, responsive, drama free, and as far as I can tell she has been pretty straight with me.

She did have a stalker ex boyfriend that she had to get a restraining order on and she cusses a little too much. And she has had a couple of other SD's in the past. But she is cool and fun and open about it all. For example on the stalker she showed me the text strings where she would still communicate with him. And I told her she should not be doing that and that I did not want any blow-back on me. And that communicating with a crazy person just encourages their bad behavior. She told me that the reason she still communicated with him is she did not like to let him have the last word, maybe. But she also agreed and assured me that he would never know about me. So on the bright side I think she has cut him off.

She lives life like there is no tomorrow. She seems fearless and really does not care about risks in everyday life. I am amazed by this. I take chances sure but she does not even see risks. And she is so cool to hang with. Once again not marriage material, but to explore sex and other fun things with she is all about that. But she is super responsible with her work and is an assistant manager and works a lot. She is willing to accommodate just about any time I want to get together as long as it is not interfere with her job. And as many of you know with most SBs you give them an allowance and you never see them until you pay again. Or even ever. I pay her weekly on our first visit of the week. And it is no problem getting her to meet again.

And man is she gorgeous. She is about 5'1" and about 105 lbs. She is tiny says she can't gain weight. She has beautiful titties and the most incredible eyes. And that sexy mouth with the full lips like the girls are always trying to get. Oh and she swallows with pride and enthusiasm. I give her a 9.5/9.5/10/9. This is more than I can hope for. I give her 200 per week and we meet once or twice a week. Only thing is she lives with her aunt and we cannot meet at her place. But we are talking about her moving in with a friend in the next couple of months. Then we won't have the hotel cost to deal with. Which are killing me right now. I have committed to her and she is committed to me. But who knows what will happen. It could all blow up tomorrow. I did her today and we are getting together on Monday.

There have been some other POTs over the last couple of weeks. But nothing really to speak of. Usual parade of flakes and fakes. This has what I have been working for this many months. One baby and it being a quality experience. I think I am about as close as I can get. We shall see.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2027242]As others said, never prepay for anything. Also if I were you, before your next meeting you need to get back into the website and make sure nothing about your credit card is stored on file and that there is nothing that will auto-bill your card recurringly. An insurance company website is a lot more trustworthy than others (worse places you could have given your cc info to) but in general I would nix that practice with regard to SB's, and do cash only and after the fact only. If there's any chance you'll get auto rebilled and the site gives you a hard time, call the bank to get a new card number issued, say you've lost it and you fear it could be compromised. If it were me I would also try to wipe my name off the billing info records on the site, just incase things go sour and she tries to do something with your real name, etc[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the Advice!

Yes, fortunately after coming to my senses a couple of days later, I logged on and removed my credit card information. It was set up for a recurring payment which had to be done initially for the policy to be issued. I was glad she had not changed the password but I probably could have called the company to request that it be removed. However, her next premium was immediately moved up a couple weeks and doubled in the amount. The insurance rates for the early 20 crowd is insane, particularly if they had a couple of tickets or an accident.

We had scheduled a visit to the FC chamber for tonight. My initial offer was 2.5 but she asked for 3 benjamins to which I agreed. Today I started getting bad vibes and reservations, so made up some excuse to cancel. So I'm not sure where this one is headed right now. My gut right now is that it might be best to move on.

I recently placed an ad on Craigslist with some success. So far, there have only been 2 responses that interested me.

#1 is a 30 yr old brunette and quite beautiful although we still have yet to meet. Seems she had a run of bad luck and is currently living out of a motel. Her initial response to my ad showed her complete name so I have been able to thoroughly research. Our text messages have been different from other POT SB's. She was reluctant to meet at first and wanted to get to know each other before meeting. She has an arrest during the past year but I'm not sure what for. But she looks like a model in her mugshot photo, unlike most others you see. She has said she will tell me her story when we meet, but not sure that will be how it goes.

We are scheduled to meet Sunday evening. My gut on this one is that she is the real deal, but could be expensive if not handled properly. She is currently jobless and without a vehicle. Probably a Nando 1 that will need to handled very carefully.

#2 is a 23 yr old strawberry blonde that replied just this week. After several messages and finding her to be quite cute in her pictures, she offered to meet at her place. We spoke over the phone and she sounded very country but decided to take a chance since I liked her pics. Turns out she stays at a local extended stay hotel where she works as a maid and takes online courses. But turns she was cute, sweet, 5-6, 117, with smallish (B cup) breasts that were well shaped. We spent 2 hours together, lots of conversation and lots of DFK. I managed 2 pops during the visit (not bad for a 57 yr old without any medical help). Only negative is she said she did not like to give oral. I did not ask or attempt oral on her. Not sure if I will continue to see this one but this was a no drama situation.

My theory is that is a pool of young ladies who check CL ads for a SD that for various reasons are not joining the SD sites. Many of the young ladies only use their smartphones nowadays so I imagine that is difficult to set up a profile on the SD sites. So simply checking out CL ads might be their first attempt at finding P4 P.

I dated this girl 6 times at an average of $.4 per date. We then mutually agreed to stop seeing each other as we were both unhappy. A couple weeks later the txts, calls and naked pics start showing up. Here was my reply.

The reality is we both need more than the other is willing to give... So I,ll keep dating the cock, ball and ass worshiping orally addicted sluts that are grateful to take half or less of what you expect and whose mission in life is to make me cum as hard as possible every time we are together by doing exactly what they are told... And you need to find someone more financially generous that adores the pillow princess you are... Which is very adorable. But only to a point.

I don't have to compromise because there are just too many eager lonely girls that want an understanding, decent looking guy with above average skills as much as they need a little extra money. And you really need to look at some less than attractive, socially awkward, easily satisfied guys that may not float your boat but will happily pay 200-300 for the privilege of tasting your delicious vagina and smelling the intoxicating aroma of your perfect velvety skin.

I pay $100 a date and that includes all meals etc. Sure there are some that take the $100 cash and skip the extras, because they are not extra. They are deducted from the $100. That runs me $3,000 a month in after tax income. Because I don't miss a day. And that's all I can afford.

What you want is not unreasonable, just not in my budget at this time. What I do offer is more about steadiness and having a good time without all the baggage, demands or any creepiness that sometimes goes along with this type of arrangement. So its a bit of a trade off. You can always get more cash, but maybe it's from someone you need too... Just to be able to tolerate being with them.

And I need someone that doesn't say no in the bedroom. The word no makes my dick go soft or keeps me from cumming. And no offense, but I don't think you made me cum more than once or twice in 6 dates. So as much as we like each other, we just seem to have different needs.

I see what my roommate and other girls I know have to do to make ends meet.

Could you find the perfect guy. It's possible. And I really hope you do. And I mean that. Just remember, the competition is fierce.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2027579]
Dear Jane Letter

I dated this girl 6 times at an average of $.4 per date. We then mutually agreed to stop seeing each other as we were both unhappy. A couple weeks later the txts, calls and naked pics start showing up. Here was my reply. (Edit Delete)[/QUOTE]That reply was hurtful to her as intended to be.

It's so much better to simply disappear which gets the job done and does no harm. A girl wrote me once and simply said, "This is my good bye." That was good also. No drama. No doubt. No harm.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2027616]That reply was hurtful to her as intended to be.

It's so much better to simply disappear which gets the job done and does no harm. A girl wrote me once and simply said, "This is my good bye." That was good also. No drama. No doubt. No harm.[/QUOTE]Normally I go silent. But this girl needs a reality check. In my worst case scenario I have called the police 3 times on one stalker I had. She isn't like that. But she only lives 5 minutes from my house. Also when I met her she talked all this big sex talk. And she was always squeezing for more cash. So yeah, I got a little irritated. But everything I said was true. And she knows my girlfriend is working her ass off at a strip club to get what she needs. So, I don't really feel sorry for her. She is just a small town girl trying to make it in the big city. And L.A. Is the kind of place where you either suck it up. Or it sucks you up. No pun intended.

Also she supposedly already broke up with me and then afterward txted my roommate bitching that I stiffed her for 20 dollars. Hello.

Also she just emailed me back to say everything was cool, and for what i was paying all she was willing to give was intercourse. And she couldnt be all that with someone she was just hustling for the little cash I was paying. I just didnt want to be harassed in any way. So alls well that ends well?

Revco. Sounds like you got a keeper. I just recommend you keep one or two on the line. If for some reason this one leaves you high and dry you might make get a in a hurry and make a mistake on the next one. I know. That's happened to me.

Chipandputt. I am thinking of trying the Craig's list thing again. The last time I tried it just got a bunch of losers.

What was the damage for strawberry girl?

After a couple more emails. This girl pointed out to me that she is not emotionally needy in any way. For me, this is why I go the SB route. I need the emotional connection to get what I am looking for. Some good sport fucking with a random girl is all good and well, but for an ongoing relationship there has to be a real connection, even if it is more one sided. But without it I am going to lose interest eventually (usually in under 10 dates), and especially if there are any items missing from the menu.

I am primarily on SA, and occasionally I get the random wink or email from a girl who is not even close to me. Demographics tend to AA, but not always. I've gotten a couple from ABQ (I live in PHX) which is close on the map but not in real time, including one today from a stunner. I generally send a polite reply, 'cause who knows?; but don't really take it seriously. I assume GPS or someone phishing for a sucker. My question is, anyone ever scooped an out of state girl at random that wasn't prohibitively expensive? If so, how did you mange the logistics?

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2028420]I am primarily on SA, and occasionally I get the random wink or email from a girl who is not even close to me. Demographics tend to AA, but not always. I've gotten a couple from ABQ (I live in PHX) which is close on the map but not in real time, including one today from a stunner. I generally send a polite reply, 'cause who knows?; but don't really take it seriously. I assume GPS or someone phishing for a sucker. My question is, anyone ever scooped an out of state girl at random that wasn't prohibitively expensive? If so, how did you mange the logistics?[/QUOTE]For me I never do this. But I see many members have jobs that require travel. Girls that like to travel or a need for some anonymity that can only be achieved through a little distance... I,m sure many past posts touch on this subject.