Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BelowMe;6070509]Do you think Biden cares that Iran has a bounty on Pompeo? What's your point? Obama has 30. Million documents from his presidency that he says he's going to out online. Many of which were classified. Does anyone care about that? Why are they so afraid of Trump?[/QUOTE]Iran is an enemy foreign state. The guy that attacked the FBI is a US born Trump supporter.

President Obama has a lot of records from his Presidency that he Requested from the national archives and were vetted and Approved by the national archives. Trump took classified documents about a lot of things including the United States' nuclear capabilities without telling anyone, told authorities he didn't have any, then when busted by the FBI at a raid, suddenly claims WITHOUT PROOF that he declassified them, as if NUCLEAR information would just be declassified. Not the same.

President Obama epitomized class despite his middle class upbringing. Donald Trump doesn't have class despite being born and raised rich. Definitely not the same.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;6070509]Obama has 30. Million documents from his presidency that he says he's going to out online. Many of which were classified. [/QUOTE](Watching Fox will damage your brain.).

That statement is a certifiable lie. But I'm guessing you already knew that!

[QUOTE=BengalMan;6070761](Watching Fox will damage your brain.).

That statement is a certifiable lie. But I'm guessing you already knew that![/QUOTE]The scary part is that he either knows that and doesn't care, or genuinely believes it because his master told him it was true. Authoritarianism in action.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;6070798]The scary part is that he either knows that and doesn't care, or genuinely believes it because his master told him it was true. Authoritarianism in action.[/QUOTE]People believed in Hitler 100%. Mussolini too.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;6071293]People believed in Hitler 100%. Mussolini too.[/QUOTE]Yep. That's what authoritarian followers. Trump was speaking truth when he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and his followers would be fine with it.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;6071293]People believed in Hitler 100%. Mussolini too.[/QUOTE]More than 81 million people voted for / believed in Joe Biden a while back. 36% still approve per Rueters. 59% disapprove.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;6071954]More than 81 million people voted for / believed in Joe Biden a while back. 36% still approve per Rueters. 59% disapprove.[/QUOTE]81 million people will still vote for Joe Biden over that treasonous Trump. People are free to express pleasure / displeasure over the job of the sitting President, but they'll still vote for the guy who actually has morals over the guy who doesn't have any loyalties other than to himself. He has thrown the nation under a bus.

[QUOTE=DNut;6070615]Iran is an enemy foreign state. The guy that attacked the FBI is a US born Trump supporter.

President Obama has a lot of records from his Presidency that he Requested from the national archives and were vetted and Approved by the national archives. Trump took classified documents about a lot of things including the United States' nuclear capabilities without telling anyone, told authorities he didn't have any, then when busted by the FBI at a raid, suddenly claims WITHOUT PROOF that he declassified them, as if NUCLEAR information would just be declassified. Not the same.

President Obama epitomized class despite his middle class upbringing. Donald Trump doesn't have class despite being born and raised rich. Definitely not the same.[/QUOTE]Wonder if any of the Classified docs Trumper had were Hillaries emails, or the Classified docs she pouched, or Sandy Burgers Classified pant stuffers. Or, may be the Trumpie stuff included a receipt for the Obama / Clinton Uranium One deal with Russia. Or, who killed JFK and Epstein. Or, what happened to the Roswell Aliens that wound up at Wright Pat. Or, the secret KFC and Coca-Cola receipts. Or, who gives a F about all this noise blue snowflakes and red magats make. Don't care. Its almost Football season and time for Steelers to suck and Michigan to suck more.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;6072028]Wonder if any of the Classified docs Trumper had were Hillaries emails, or the Classified docs she pouched, or Sandy Burgers Classified pant stuffers. Or, may be the Trumpie stuff included a receipt for the Obama / Clinton Uranium One deal with Russia. Or, who killed JFK and Epstein. Or, what happened to the Roswell Aliens that wound up at Wright Pat. Or, the secret KFC and Coca-Cola receipts. Or, who gives a F about all this noise blue snowflakes and red magats make. Don't care. Its almost Football season and time for Steelers to suck and Michigan to suck more.[/QUOTE]No need to wonder. Anyone who can read can view the unsealed warrant and inventory and see that Trump had material related to our nuclear capabilities. EX-Presidents are NOT authorized to have them, specially in an unsecured golf course.

But nice try using the 2016 "But her e-mails!" defense. (this is the part where you should start chanting, "Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

Trump and Biden are the reason we need to support and vote for minor party candidates. But minor party candidates will never win because the country is filled with uneducated voters that continue to support unqualified candidates and we will continue to have elections that looks like a remake of Dumb and Dumber.

[QUOTE=DNut;6072102]No need to wonder. Anyone who can read can view the unsealed warrant and inventory and see that Trump had material related to our nuclear capabilities. EX-Presidents are NOT authorized to have them![/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyX59oo/[/URL] 😉.

Were never spoken. The two party system is broken beyond repair. Keep voting for these special interest shills and all you will get is more of the same.

[QUOTE=RufusFirefly;6072595]Trump and Biden are the reason we need to support and vote for minor party candidates. But minor party candidates will never win because the country is filled with uneducated voters that continue to support unqualified candidates and we will continue to have elections that looks like a remake of Dumb and Dumber.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;6072016]81 million people will still vote for Joe Biden over that treasonous Trump. People are free to express pleasure / displeasure over the job of the sitting President, but they'll still vote for the guy who actually has morals over the guy who doesn't have any loyalties other than to himself. He has thrown the nation under a bus.[/QUOTE]Has trump thrown the nation under the bus?

[QUOTE=LilJonBoy2021;6073130]Has trump thrown the nation under the bus?[/QUOTE]You mean aside from him profiting from his almost weekly trips to his golf courses to play golf while the US taxpayers have to pay for meals, rooms, and other amenities for the hundreds of support staff costing about $150 million dollars in 4 years, aside from the anti-science response to COVID that pushed cures that were fake and killed people, aside from the withholding of congressionally approved aid unless the Ukraine found dirt on the Biden's, aside from the incitement of an attempted insurrection just to hold on to power after he lost an election, aside from him stealing top secret information and hiding that fact from the FBI when they asked for it back, aside from the time his administration stockpiled ventilators from hospitals that needed it causing unneeded deaths, basically lie after lie after lie after lie after lie. How has Trump thrown the nation under the bus? You kidding?

[QUOTE=DNut;6073694]You mean aside from him profiting from his almost weekly trips to his golf courses to play golf while the US taxpayers have to pay for meals, rooms, and other amenities for the hundreds of support staff costing about $150 million dollars in 4 years, aside from the anti-science response to COVID that pushed cures that were fake and killed people, aside from the withholding of congressionally approved aid unless the Ukraine found dirt on the Biden's, aside from the incitement of an attempted insurrection just to hold on to power after he lost an election, aside from him stealing top secret information and hiding that fact from the FBI when they asked for it back, aside from the time his administration stockpiled ventilators from hospitals that needed it causing unneeded deaths, basically lie after lie after lie after lie after lie. How has Trump thrown the nation under the bus? You kidding?[/QUOTE]Nut,

Go F yourself and the hole you crawled out from. Anyone that has to write a paragraph to about Trump to defend Biden shoes how uninformed and unintelligent you are.

[QUOTE=RufusFirefly;6072595]Trump and Biden are the reason we need to support and vote for minor party candidates. But minor party candidates will never win because the country is filled with uneducated voters that continue to support unqualified candidates and we will continue to have elections that looks like a remake of Dumb and Dumber.[/QUOTE]The Simpsons said it best.

[URL]https://youtu.be/HRJsTQFTEZ8[/URL]

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6073834]Nut,

Go F yourself and the hole you crawled out from. Anyone that has to write a paragraph to about Trump to defend Biden shoes how uninformed and unintelligent you are.[/QUOTE]You're just upset because you can't read an entire paragraph, you stupid twat.

Also, just checking out your post history? You appear to want to pay money to fuck some really ugly chicks. Guess you and trump have that in common. Along with being stupid

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;6072847][URL]https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyX59oo/[/URL] 😉.[/QUOTE]You aren't going to start using Tiktok for making points are you? Fucking thing is worse than twatter.

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6073834]Nut,

Go F yourself and the hole you crawled out from. Anyone that has to write a paragraph to about Trump to defend Biden shoes how uninformed and unintelligent you are.[/QUOTE]I must have missed something. Where did I mention Biden? Also, point out where I lied. Also, I could have typed more ways Trump has thrown the nation under the bus. As I've show, one can write about Trump's failures as a President and human being, without defending Joe Biden. You're a typical Trumper inflicted with "What about"-itis. You hear or read something bad Trump did (which there is a lot) and your defense is to try to pivot the conversation with "What about. ", "But Joe Biden. ", "Hilary's e-mails! "Hunter Biden's laptop!

But again, point out where I lied.

Your entire post is more about attacking me personally than defending Trump. Why is that? Nothing in there disputes anything I wrote, just some insults. Since you were not part of this conversation, I can only assume that you needed some attention and going on an insult rant was the only thing you could think of. A lot of words, but nut much substantive content. You're like a 9 year old boy who just discovered his first erection without any idea how to use it effectively. So you just go on spraying it around.

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6073834]Go F yourself and the hole you crawled out from. Anyone that has to write a paragraph to about Trump to defend Biden [b]shoes[/b] how uninformed and unintelligent you are.[/QUOTE]The barely literate shouldn't cast these aspersions.

[QUOTE=IrlFan;6073075]Were never spoken. The two party system is broken beyond repair. Keep voting for these special interest shills and all you will get is more of the same.[/QUOTE]Except for the fact that my old party just keeps spreading thousands of lies endlessly. And the other party just keeps passing major legislation.

Other than that, they're both the same. 🙄.

As an Army veteran, I took an oath to defend the constitution, not some politician. It blows my mind when I hear Trump supporters calling themselves Patriots and then trying to overturn elections because of some narcissistic rich draft dodger that can't admit he lost. I have been a registered Republican all my lift but the actions of the last administration and the enablers in the Republican Party was the last straw. I am now an Indipendant. We do need a third party that represents the ideals of the majority of Americans. I hear that some centrist Republicans and Democrats are talking about starting the Forward Party. I hope and pray it takes off.

[QUOTE=IrlFan;6073075]Were never spoken. The two party system is broken beyond repair. Keep voting for these special interest shills and all you will get is more of the same.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Slowhand4U;6074988]As an Army veteran, I took an oath to defend the constitution, not some politician. It blows my mind when I hear Trump supporters calling themselves Patriots and then trying to overturn elections because of some narcissistic rich draft dodger that can't admit he lost. I have been a registered Republican all my lift but the actions of the last administration and the enablers in the Republican Party was the last straw. I am now an Indipendant. We do need a third party that represents the ideals of the majority of Americans. I hear that some centrist Republicans and Democrats are talking about starting the Forward Party. I hope and pray it takes off.[/QUOTE]Andrew Yang announced that he and other disillusioned Democrats and Republicans are setting up a third party. They're starting small, first putting candidates in some local races, then expand.

I wish them well.

[QUOTE=DNut;6075072]Andrew Yang announced that he and other disillusioned Democrats and Republicans are setting up a third party. They're starting small, first putting candidates in some local races, then expand.

I wish them well.[/QUOTE]While I'd like some better options, splitting the party in these difficult times isn't helpful. It's why I'm hoping the MAGAt's start their own branch.

I say that as an independent, but it's been quite a while since I found a republicuck that I wanted to vote for, because they all seem to breath through drumpf's tiny pecker like BeLOWME does.

[QUOTE=DNut;6074230]I must have missed something. Where did I mention Biden? Also, point out where I lied. Also, I could have typed more ways Trump has thrown the nation under the bus. As I've show, one can write about Trump's failures as a President and human being, without defending Joe Biden. You're a typical Trumper inflicted with "What about"-itis. You hear or read something bad Trump did (which there is a lot) and your defense is to try to pivot the conversation with "What about. ", "But Joe Biden. ", "Hilary's e-mails! "Hunter Biden's laptop!

But again, point out where I lied.

Your entire post is more about attacking me personally than defending Trump. Why is that? Nothing in there disputes anything I wrote, just some insults. Since you were not part of this conversation, I can only assume that you needed some attention and going on an insult rant was the only thing you could think of. A lot of words, but nut much substantive content. You're like a 9 year old boy who just discovered his first erection without any idea how to use it effectively. So you just go on spraying it around.[/QUOTE]One thing you can't defend which was in your original post.

Not one Person / State ran out of ventilator's. Show me or prove this and I will shut up! You can't you are still licking Cuomo's ass hole! What a Dush bag he was. Or you still hanging on his cock? .

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6075841]One thing you can't defend which was in your original post.

Not one Person / State ran out of ventilator's. Show me or prove this and I will shut up! You can't you are still licking Cuomo's ass hole! What a Dush bag he was. Or you still hanging on his cock? .[/QUOTE]Seems pretty clear to me that you want to suck on D Nut's cock. Stalk much? You must like asshole licking since you talk about it so much. Spell check might help out too. LOL "dush" LOL.

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6075841]One thing you can't defend which was in your original post.

Not one Person / State ran out of ventilator's. Show me or prove this and I will shut up! You can't you are still licking Cuomo's ass hole! What a Dush bag he was. Or you still hanging on his cock? .[/QUOTE]Actually, I can. This first story was in April 3, 2020- Jared Kushner said that the ventilator supply was "ours" (the federal government's Dept of Health) and not the states and he said they were under no obligation to share. When it was pointed out the Department's own website said that it was to share with states as requested, the website was changed.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/03/coronavirus-jared-kushner-draws-backlash-our-stockpile-comment/2938648001/[/URL]

The second story, also from April 3, 2020, shows that states were running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. Rationing meant giving ventilators to those who had a better chance to live. In the story, it states, [I]However, New York State does have a protocol for allocating ventilators during a pandemic. The 2015 guidelines were developed by a state bioethics task force over more than a decade, and lay out detailed protocols for saving the maximum number of lives by assessing how likely every patient is to benefit from ventilator therapy.[/I].

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/03/826082727/ventilator-shortages-loom-as-states-ponder-rules-for-rationing[/URL]

People died because a choice had to be made on who to give the available ventilators to, and who to let die.

Since you promised to shut up once I provided proof, I don't expect a response from you, since you did promise to shut up.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;6075652]While I'd like some better options, splitting the party in these difficult times isn't helpful. It's why I'm hoping the MAGAt's start their own branch.

I say that as an independent, but it's been quite a while since I found a republicuck that I wanted to vote for, because they all seem to breath through drumpf's tiny pecker like BeLOWME does.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what the two ruling parties want you to believe. The two ruling parties want to prevent other viable parties because it is in their best interest for the following reasons.

First it is easier to have one enemy or competitor because you only have to focus one the one.

Second they can play the blame game.

Third the do not have to work with a party to get them to agree with your agenda.

Lastly the get exactly what they have. A bunch of blind followers. Voters that put the party above the person and will support the person no matter how bad they are. Case in point Clinton, Trump, and Biden oh and let's throw in our useless VP Harris.

I say we need at least 4 viable parties but with our uneducated voters we would be back to two within 20 years.

I try to avoid this thread because both sides are so dense.

Ventilators killed people, they did not save them. All of you partisan nations facilitated death with your obnoxious ignorance.

I could go on but there is no point.

At least some of you have good taste in pussy.

[QUOTE=DNut;6076076]Actually, I can. This first story was in April 3, 2020- Jared Kushner said that the ventilator supply was "ours" (the federal government's Dept of Health) and not the states and he said they were under no obligation to share. When it was pointed out the Department's own website said that it was to share with states as requested, the website was changed.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/03/coronavirus-jared-kushner-draws-backlash-our-stockpile-comment/2938648001/[/URL]

The second story, also from April 3, 2020, shows that states were running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. Rationing meant giving ventilators to those who had a better chance to live. In the story, it states, [I]However, New York State does have a protocol for allocating ventilators during a pandemic. The 2015 guidelines were developed by a state bioethics task force over more than a decade, and lay out detailed protocols for saving the maximum number of lives by assessing how likely every patient is to benefit from ventilator therapy.[/I].

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/03/826082727/ventilator-shortages-loom-as-states-ponder-rules-for-rationing[/URL]

People died because a choice had to be made on who to give the available ventilators to, and who to let die.

Since you promised to shut up once I provided proof, I don't expect a response from you, since you did promise to shut up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeBlows7;6076920]I try to avoid this thread because both sides are so dense.

Ventilators killed people, they did not save them. All of you partisan nations facilitated death with your obnoxious ignorance.

I could go on but there is no point.

At least some of you have good taste in pussy.[/QUOTE]I wonder then why doctors and hospitals put people on ventilators if they're having problems breathing? Could it be because you're full of shi--t instead of having a medical degree? Ventilators are not guarantees of survival, but without them it's guaranteed death from not being able to breathe. How long can you hold your breath?

But if you have a medical degree from an accredited school, and other than Trump University, please provide it and I will shut up.

[QUOTE=JoeBlows7;6076920]Ventilators killed people, they did not save them.[/QUOTE]When you're not smart enough to be a doctor, delude yourself into thinking you're superior with conspiracy theories. That's you, bro.

And now, for something completely different. Check this kid out.

[QUOTE=JoeBlows7;6076920]I try to avoid this thread because both sides are so dense.

Ventilators killed people, they did not save them. All of you partisan nations facilitated death with your obnoxious ignorance.

I could go on but there is no point.

At least some of you have good taste in pussy.[/QUOTE]Another Como c**k sucker.

How did all these people get infected. Could it be that the Govenor's put sick people in assisted living facilities. (These people funded Como's election bank row). It infected and killed the most vulnerable of people.

I guess Trump did that also. You didn't Prove shit with the two articles other than you are a partisan hack!

[QUOTE=DNut;6076076]Actually, I can. This first story was in April 3, 2020- Jared Kushner said that the ventilator supply was "ours" (the federal government's Dept of Health) and not the states and he said they were under no obligation to share. When it was pointed out the Department's own website said that it was to share with states as requested, the website was changed.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/03/coronavirus-jared-kushner-draws-backlash-our-stockpile-comment/2938648001/[/URL]

The second story, also from April 3, 2020, shows that states were running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. Rationing meant giving ventilators to those who had a better chance to live. In the story, it states, [I]However, New York State does have a protocol for allocating ventilators during a pandemic. The 2015 guidelines were developed by a state bioethics task force over more than a decade, and lay out detailed protocols for saving the maximum number of lives by assessing how likely every patient is to benefit from ventilator therapy.[/I].

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/03/826082727/ventilator-shortages-loom-as-states-ponder-rules-for-rationing[/URL]

People died because a choice had to be made on who to give the available ventilators to, and who to let die.


Since you promised to shut up once I provided proof, I don't expect a response from you, since you did promise to shut up.[/QUOTE]You proved my case in your own words. Not sure you are smart enough to even realize it. "running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. " & ran out" are two different things.

Guess they had enough?

[QUOTE=JoeBlows7;6076920]I try to avoid this thread because both sides are so dense.

Ventilators killed people, they did not save them. All of you partisan nations facilitated death with your obnoxious ignorance.

I could go on but there is no point.

At least some of you have good taste in pussy.[/QUOTE]"Guns don't kill people, Ventilators do".

Also, my taste in pussy is questionable at best.

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6077130]You proved my case in your own words. Not sure you are smart enough to even realize it. "running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. " & ran out" are two different things.

Guess they had enough?[/QUOTE]A "shortage" means they had less than what was needed. Hospitals were at 100% capacity or "a shortage of beds". They were turning people away. Can you explain how that's not "running out"?

[QUOTE=RufusFirefly;6076226]This is exactly what the two ruling parties want you to believe. The two ruling parties want to prevent other viable parties because it is in their best interest for the following reasons.

First it is easier to have one enemy or competitor because you only have to focus one the one.

Second they can play the blame game.

Third the do not have to work with a party to get them to agree with your agenda.

Lastly the get exactly what they have. A bunch of blind followers. Voters that put the party above the person and will support the person no matter how bad they are. Case in point Clinton, Trump, and Biden oh and let's throw in our useless VP Harris.

I say we need at least 4 viable parties but with our uneducated voters we would be back to two within 20 years.[/QUOTE]The ONLY thing both parties seem to agree on is they want to keep any other parties out.

[QUOTE=JoeMan64;6077130]You proved my case in your own words. Not sure you are smart enough to even realize it. "running out of bedspace, and were rationing ventilators due to a shortage. " & ran out" are two different things.

Guess they had enough?[/QUOTE]I know for a fact that Childrens Hosp had zero ventilators available a number of times during the pandemic!!

I also know that some hospitals were using antiquated equipment and non certified equipment!

I also know that the National stockpile was depleted of its inventory during the pandemic AND trump had to be nudged to implement the emergency order that enabled other manufacturers to supply and sell ventilators to the government and a number of those were transferred to states for use.

Ventilators save lives they do not kill people; please share your medical credentials and where you get your so called data.

Together, why'all have me pinned as a Trump blaming, Cuomo sucking, conspiracy theorist who supports Trump. Can any of you think independently, use Google to challenge your beliefs?

Oh, the government ordered ventilators and delivered them to the states. Well, that proves they're effectiveness!

Can why'all even read medical studies? Have you wondered why they hardly ever intubate for covid anymore?

They did all sorts of stupid shit under the duress of fear. They vented patients to protect themselves at first. Fucking 'heros'.

My TV went in the attic 14 years ago. Now why'all have reminded me why.

I'm going back to pussy reviews.

Later.

[QUOTE=JoeBlows7;6077831]Together, why'all have me pinned as a Trump blaming, Cuomo sucking, conspiracy theorist who supports Trump. Can any of you think independently, use Google to challenge your beliefs?

Oh, the government ordered ventilators and delivered them to the states. Well, that proves they're effectiveness!

Can why'all even read medical studies? Have you wondered why they hardly ever intubate for covid anymore?

They did all sorts of stupid shit under the duress of fear. They vented patients to protect themselves at first. Fucking 'heros'.

My TV went in the attic 14 years ago. Now why'all have reminded me why.

I'm going back to pussy reviews.

Later.[/QUOTE]Got your medical degree up in the article too? Don't confuse access to WebMD with a medical degree.