Stopped by 40 Harrison today. Older woman was entering the lower lobby talking on the cell phone so I followed her in without buzzing. She turned and said if I wanted a massage I should come back later as someone was upstairs checking licenses.
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Stopped by 40 Harrison today. Older woman was entering the lower lobby talking on the cell phone so I followed her in without buzzing. She turned and said if I wanted a massage I should come back later as someone was upstairs checking licenses.
[QUOTE=YelloTail;1935547]Stopped by 40 Harrison today. Older woman was entering the lower lobby talking on the cell phone so I followed her in without buzzing. She turned and said if I wanted a massage I should come back later as someone was upstairs checking licenses.[/QUOTE]I was just there a few minutes ago. Had tried calling2 B bot the phones weren't working. Got a little spooked but decided to press on. Followed someone else in, don't know how he got buzzed in. 2 B had a sign on it saying something about warning, establishment closed due to legal noncompliance. Turned on a dime and headed out. Back, on the street, tried calling Diva but their phones weren't working either.
[QUOTE=Leggeddog;1935506]What girl goes into a place like that and expect nothing?[/QUOTE]So, these places offer happy endings for chics? Seriously?
I've seen gaggles of girls going into the place in Waltham, and it's all male attendants.. Are they getting more than a foot rub... I never knew..
I team had a report on AMPs in the suburbs. They showed the place in Sudbury, Jolin's and a few other places. They talked about bodyrub places fronting as places that offer more than just a massage. They also interviewed MC who talked about sex trafficking. I team also sent in an undercover reporter to see what they were offering at Sudbury place and found nothing offered that day.
Good old MC.
I doubt it. Perhaps on a very rare occasion. Most seem to go for the $35 foot rubs.
[QUOTE=Spectator;1935632]So, these places offer happy endings for chics? Seriously?
I've seen gaggles of girls going into the place in Waltham, and it's all male attendants.. Are they getting more than a foot rub... I never knew..[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/i-team-sex-trafficking-in-the-suburbs/[/URL]
I-Team: Sex Trafficking In The Suburbs.
By WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve.
November 21,2013 11:21 PM.
BOSTON (CBS) – Sex trafficking in the suburbs is a growing concern for state and local law enforcement. As Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve found out, prostitution arrests are being made in communities that don't usually see this type of crime.
"See that Body Works. Open. Sign.
Police Chief Scott Nix points out a small business that's a big problem for him — sex sold — right in the middle of a quaint plaza on busy Route 20 in Sudbury.
Nix says, "it's portrayed that they would provide some type of reflexology treatment, versus a massage, because massage is regulated by the state, and from there certain things were offered during the appointment.
After a sting, an undercover detective filed this report — saying the unlicensed masseuse "made an attempt for my groin" — as she indicated "I can take care of that for you." The woman was charged with soliciting sex. The I-Team sent a producer into the office — but on this day was told nothing "special" was being offered.
Attorney General Martha Coakley is seeing a spike in store front operations offering services called reflexology, acupressure and Asian body works. Some are legal and legitimate. Many are not. And while massage parlors are regulated and inspected, sites offering these alternative therapies don't draw the same scrutiny.
Coakley says, "I think that is what is allowing for this other industry to come in and kind of hide behind that.
A concern for many communities is where these businesses are popping up. For example, a little commercial district in a suburb like Braintree. A few years ago an arrest was made at a business on Commercial Street which offers Thai body work.
North Andover Police Chief Paul Gallagher says "they advertise everything is Asian, like it's a different type of massage.
And his town had the same problem — sex being sold in a quiet retail area. After a sting, the police report stated the worker "placed her hands on the officer's genitals.
Gallagher says, "somebody is making money in this because these young ladies were not making money, they were kind of in squalor.
The women arrested in North Andover were from New York, and believed to be victims of a thriving sex trafficking business.
Audrey Morrissey escaped a life of forced prostitution, and counsels young women trapped in that nightmare. She says these suburban sites are booming.
"It sickens me," says Morrissey. "It has made it more convenient and easier for these men to buy sex without being detected.
There are even websites that review the services — offered in some of Boston's nicest suburbs. Diligent Police like Chief Nix can keep their eyes on the facilities in their towns, but the Attorney General believes this might be much bigger.
"We are focusing on the people selling, organizing the business, making money off it, and we have tried to look at the women who are in this business, many of whom have been brought to this country under false pretenses," said Nix.
The Attorney General tells the I-Team her office has brought 13 indictments and complaints against these kinds of establishments. Because these operations could be organized overseas, she is also looking for help from federal law enforcement.
Ever since aiko left CT I've been doing 40 h for the table showers and because you know EXACTLY what you're getting. I loved the idea of buzzing 2 b and 2 d at the same time to see who comes out. However, I had a fun but absolutely BUSTED masseuse last time I went to 2 d. I figure Aiko wasn't gorgeous by any stretch, but at least you got a massage out of it. Any strategies to actually get a decent looking masseuse or get a selection? I always went to either aiko or Irene in malden, so I don't know the way around a place with multiple girls in and out. PMs are good! Thanks all.
Was in the area to meet up with a friend, thought I'd take a look if theres any fun to be had before I meetup.
Found main st, went through a red door, 30 ish lady brought me in, and up a flight of stairs. It was dark and little decorated to set the mood. Took me into a big living room type, with a table and chairs+couch. Lady took the .6 for a hour and I undressed. Didn't catch her name but she looked mid 30's, slender body, be cups, decent bottom. All in all the massage was worth it with plenty of oil (used hot towel from a bucket to wipe off) and elbows. Then came the flip and it ended like a normal HE, asked for more offers but wasn't havin it. Finished then toweled up jr, and gave the .4 on the table.
All in all, was a good time, will probably return. Happy huntin all.
Anyone know any good sensual massage providers on Cape Cod? Clean, private, good looking. I have been to all 3 places in Hyannis and I was not crazy about any of them. Please let me know if you know of any good sensual massage providers.
Is this Jennifer?
BH.
[QUOTE=TopFloor;1935647][URL]http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/i-team-sex-trafficking-in-the-suburbs/[/URL]
I-Team: Sex Trafficking In The Suburbs.
By WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve.
November 21,2013 11:21 PM.
BOSTON (CBS) – Sex trafficking in the suburbs is a growing concern for state and local law enforcement. As Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve found out, prostitution arrests are being made in communities that don't usually see this type of crime.
"See that Body Works. Open. Sign.
Police Chief Scott Nix points out a small business that's a big problem for him — sex sold — right in the middle of a quaint plaza on busy Route 20 in Sudbury.
Nix says, "it's portrayed that they would provide some type of reflexology treatment, versus a massage, because massage is regulated by the state, and from there certain things were offered during the appointment.
After a sting, an undercover detective filed this report — saying the unlicensed masseuse "made an attempt for my groin" — as she indicated "I can take care of that for you." The woman was charged with soliciting sex. The I-Team sent a producer into the office — but on this day was told nothing "special" was being offered.
Attorney General Martha Coakley is seeing a spike in store front operations offering services called reflexology, acupressure and Asian body works. Some are legal and legitimate. Many are not. And while massage parlors are regulated and inspected, sites offering these alternative therapies don't draw the same scrutiny.
Coakley says, "I think that is what is allowing for this other industry to come in and kind of hide behind that.
A concern for many communities is where these businesses are popping up. For example, a little commercial district in a suburb like Braintree. A few years ago an arrest was made at a business on Commercial Street which offers Thai body work.
North Andover Police Chief Paul Gallagher says "they advertise everything is Asian, like it's a different type of massage.
And his town had the same problem — sex being sold in a quiet retail area. After a sting, the police report stated the worker "placed her hands on the officer's genitals.
Gallagher says, "somebody is making money in this because these young ladies were not making money, they were kind of in squalor.
The women arrested in North Andover were from New York, and believed to be victims of a thriving sex trafficking business.
Audrey Morrissey escaped a life of forced prostitution, and counsels young women trapped in that nightmare. She says these suburban sites are booming.
"It sickens me," says Morrissey. "It has made it more convenient and easier for these men to buy sex without being detected.
There are even websites that review the services — offered in some of Boston's nicest suburbs. Diligent Police like Chief Nix can keep their eyes on the facilities in their towns, but the Attorney General believes this might be much bigger.
"We are focusing on the people selling, organizing the business, making money off it, and we have tried to look at the women who are in this business, many of whom have been brought to this country under false pretenses," said Nix.
The Attorney General tells the I-Team her office has brought 13 indictments and complaints against these kinds of establishments. Because these operations could be organized overseas, she is also looking for help from federal law enforcement.[/QUOTE]
Hello Fellow Horndogs.
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
The only 'bite' was this lady responding from Plymouth area offering massage that will make me 'happy'.
She is real, we traded 20+ emails and determined it's too far to travel for her.
She said she works out of her house. I don't have her phone or email sorry.
She did send these (no hits on tineye. They are real).
I may take a trip someday to see..quoted 80\hour 140\2 hours.
If anyone's experienced, either PM me or reply here. Up to you.
Please no PM for anymore information this is all I got.
[quote][URL]http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/thp/4203955242.html[/URL]
Beijing Herbal Foot Spa Grand opening in downtown salem, MA01970.
We offering the traditional type Chinese foot reflexology.
Asian full body works, and Asian chair therapy.
Grand opening special:
$35/ Hr. Foot reflexology massage includes FREE Asian full body works.
Individual rooms for keeping more privacy.
Large parking lot.
Call for appointment:978-7443333.
[/quote]
So for 35 bucks, why not. Let me begin that the minute I entered I knew totally legit. So, I decided to stay and get the foot massage and body works.
Stop reading right here if you are looking for HE although I was relaxed for an hour Shoes and socks off pants up to knees, feet in tub to soak and she sits at head and does 15-20 minutes of head, neck and shoulders OTC on me. LOL. Was really a professional head and neck massage and then to the feet and the next 30 minutes or so were nirvana for my piggies, LOL Then flip to stomach and more neck, shoulders and legs including glutes again all OTC with a light blanket to keep me warm. No complaints as I knew what it would be from the get go.
Headed north and figured I would stop in at the old haunt in Newburyport and alas, door closed and no signs and tel number removed from the sign out front. Looks like another one closes the doors.
Oh for the days of Tyler Stevens and Delphine on the North Shore. Where the hell is Sherman and the wayback machine?
Take care and stay safe.
OR CH 13.
[QUOTE=TopFloor;1935647][URL]http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/i-team-sex-trafficking-in-the-suburbs/[/URL]
I-Team: Sex Trafficking In The Suburbs.
By WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve.
November 21,2013 11:21 PM.
BOSTON (CBS) – Sex trafficking in the suburbs is a growing concern for state and local law enforcement. As Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve found out, prostitution arrests are being made in communities that don't usually see this type of crime.
"See that Body Works. Open. Sign.
Police Chief Scott Nix points out a small business that's a big problem for him — sex sold — right in the middle of a quaint plaza on busy Route 20 in Sudbury.
Nix says, "it's portrayed that they would provide some type of reflexology treatment, versus a massage, because massage is regulated by the state, and from there certain things were offered during the appointment.
After a sting, an undercover detective filed this report — saying the unlicensed masseuse "made an attempt for my groin" — as she indicated "I can take care of that for you." The woman was charged with soliciting sex. The I-Team sent a producer into the office — but on this day was told nothing "special" was being offered.
Attorney General Martha Coakley is seeing a spike in store front operations offering services called reflexology, acupressure and Asian body works. Some are legal and legitimate. Many are not. And while massage parlors are regulated and inspected, sites offering these alternative therapies don't draw the same scrutiny.
Coakley says, "I think that is what is allowing for this other industry to come in and kind of hide behind that.
A concern for many communities is where these businesses are popping up. For example, a little commercial district in a suburb like Braintree. A few years ago an arrest was made at a business on Commercial Street which offers Thai body work.
North Andover Police Chief Paul Gallagher says "they advertise everything is Asian, like it's a different type of massage.
And his town had the same problem — sex being sold in a quiet retail area. After a sting, the police report stated the worker "placed her hands on the officer's genitals.
Gallagher says, "somebody is making money in this because these young ladies were not making money, they were kind of in squalor.
The women arrested in North Andover were from New York, and believed to be victims of a thriving sex trafficking business.
Audrey Morrissey escaped a life of forced prostitution, and counsels young women trapped in that nightmare. She says these suburban sites are booming.
"It sickens me," says Morrissey. "It has made it more convenient and easier for these men to buy sex without being detected.
There are even websites that review the services — offered in some of Boston's nicest suburbs. Diligent Police like Chief Nix can keep their eyes on the facilities in their towns, but the Attorney General believes this might be much bigger.
"We are focusing on the people selling, organizing the business, making money off it, and we have tried to look at the women who are in this business, many of whom have been brought to this country under false pretenses," said Nix.
The Attorney General tells the I-Team her office has brought 13 indictments and complaints against these kinds of establishments. Because these operations could be organized overseas, she is also looking for help from federal law enforcement.[/QUOTE]I wonder if Joe' got to do any "field" research? Joe Shortsleeve sounds like it could be a good screen name too.
[QUOTE=BigHead;1936118]Is this Jennifer?
BH.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, yes.
Joe Hags clear out your inbox.
Was in waltham again this evening and tried out moody st's.
Led in by a 50+ woman (not good so far), walked to the third room (place was pretty big with tall ceiling and wooden floor), pretty professional looking place. Asked for the hh for .4, undressed and ready to go. Her massage skills were actually really good and bunch of teasing. BUT, ended up with nothing in the end of the 30 min mark. Wasn't really interested in one anyway because of the age. But left 20 flowers and off I went. I feel there could've definitely been HE but was only offered for full hour. But didn't matter, again, too old for me. GL all.
[QUOTE=AsianLPGAfan;1936412]I wonder if Joe' got to do any "field" research? Joe Shortsleeve sounds like it could be a good screen name too.[/QUOTE]I've always thought Myles Long would be a good name.
[QUOTE=Rexxbreefs;1936252]Hello Fellow Horndogs.
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
The only 'bite' was this lady responding from Plymouth area offering massage that will make me 'happy'.
She is real, we traded 20+ emails and determined it's too far to travel for her.
She said she works out of her house. I don't have her phone or email sorry.
She did send these (no hits on tineye. They are real).
I may take a trip someday to see..quoted 80\hour 140\2 hours.
If anyone's experienced, either PM me or reply here. Up to you.
Please no PM for anymore information this is all I got.[/QUOTE]I'll make the trip...I'm close to Plymouth. She didn't give you any contact info?? If you don't want to go ill toft send me the info.
Thp.
[QUOTE=Rexxbreefs;1936252]
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
[/QUOTE]Unless you're still in college, you're going to pay one way or another.
[QUOTE=TasteHerpie;1937154]I'll make the trip...I'm close to Plymouth. She didn't give you any contact info?? If you don't want to go ill toft send me the info.
Thp.[/QUOTE]Very nice to TOFTT!
She appears to be in her late 40's from the pictures...what age did she say she was again?
I am headed out to MW today or tomorrow and will report back as usual. I am looking for any up to date Metrowest intel as I have been travelling extensively for work for a month now. My last place was the dangerously conspicuous place in the Bellingham. Miford area. And prior Pink and Myrtle. I understand Myrtle has new mgmt and girls. Concord too. Anyone find any thing exciting in the last couple weeks. Like most I enjoy a good massage from a young willing provider. Will gladly exchange intel. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Rexxbreefs;1936252]Hello Fellow Horndogs.
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
The only 'bite' was this lady responding from Plymouth area offering massage that will make me 'happy'.
She is real, we traded 20+ emails and determined it's too far to travel for her.
She said she works out of her house. I don't have her phone or email sorry.
She did send these (no hits on tineye. They are real).
I may take a trip someday to see..quoted 80\hour 140\2 hours.
If anyone's experienced, either PM me or reply here. Up to you.
Please no PM for anymore information this is all I got.[/QUOTE]Would love to know more about her and try her out. I only live a half hour away from Plymouth.
Went to good ol trustworthy 40 h and rang for 2 d and 2 b. Went up the ele, and first girl outside was in 2 b. Her name was cindy, prolly late 30's, wore like a pj's getup. Was attractive enough with slender body and natural be. Not much to write home about other than she shorted me on time and only a somewhat playful back rub. Good thing I only did the half and did give .4 for her time and pretty good HE. Just would've liked to have a little more time but they were pretty busy it seemed (hearing from the hallway and the 2 b room itself.
Also another thing fellow mongers, you should be more courteous to these women and not ask so many questions. Like don't interrogate them and get so deep into their personal lives. Especially in a room with no ceilings and we can hear every damn thing ya'll say, its hard to get off, at all.
She has an ad on BP now.
[URL]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/BodyRubs/asian-china-girl-for-you-great-massage-30/25198756[/URL]
[QUOTE=Rexxbreefs;1936252]Hello Fellow Horndogs.
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
The only 'bite' was this lady responding from Plymouth area offering massage that will make me 'happy'.
She is real, we traded 20+ emails and determined it's too far to travel for her.
She said she works out of her house. I don't have her phone or email sorry.
She did send these (no hits on tineye. They are real).
I may take a trip someday to see..quoted 80\hour 140\2 hours.
If anyone's experienced, either PM me or reply here. Up to you.
Please no PM for anymore information this is all I got.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JackADogov;1938092]She has an ad on BP now.
[URL]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/BodyRubs/asian-china-girl-for-you-great-massage-30/25198756[/URL][/QUOTE]Cat's out of the bag now, haha, nicely done.
[QUOTE=MongerExpert;1938184]Cat's out of the bag now, haha, nicely done.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy's.
Just an FYI. I have not seen her yet but have had some communication. She is a bit further south and over the bridge not really in Plymouth. If you were thinking she was in the Plymouth center area or northern Plymouth you will need to add another 30 or 40 minutes to your travel time.
Fever.
Are you serious?
How am I letting the cat out of the bag if she posts ads on BP for everyone to see?
[QUOTE=MongerExpert;1938184]Cat's out of the bag now, haha, nicely done.[/QUOTE]
Went to Myrtle today. 2 young ladies were working. Both were very skinny. I chose the older one, about 30 yo Eve. Massage with some tease + HE. UTC on top, OTC the rest. If you are a tit man these ladies are not for you. HH=40+40.
BH.
[QUOTE=JackADogov;1938481]Are you serious?
How am I letting the cat out of the bag if she posts ads on BP for everyone to see?[/QUOTE]Restricted hours of operation to afternoons and appointment only. (per her emails).
[QUOTE=Rexxbreefs;1936252]Hello Fellow Horndogs.
So I'm trolling with a CL M4 F ad; since I want to get laid for free.
The only 'bite' was this lady responding from Plymouth area offering massage that will make me 'happy'.
She is real, we traded 20+ emails and determined it's too far to travel for her.
She said she works out of her house. I don't have her phone or email sorry.
She did send these (no hits on tineye. They are real).
I may take a trip someday to see..quoted 80\hour 140\2 hours.
If anyone's experienced, either PM me or reply here. Up to you.
Please no PM for anymore information this is all I got.[/QUOTE]Picture looks a lot like the gilr that works at Boaking in the Pilgrim town.
Jack A Dogov pay no attention. You are correct. There are some that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag or as the saying goes couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag.
[QUOTE=JackADogov;1938481]Are you serious?
How am I letting the cat out of the bag if she posts ads on BP for everyone to see?[/QUOTE]
Was visiting relatives in Indiana and was directed (via PM) to Top Oriental. I've filed a report in the South Bend forum.
I was in the F-ham neighborhood, so I made my third visit to this place, the first two visits having been passable. A nice looking lady took my $60 I asked her if she'd be handling the massage; she replied that she would. So far so good.
Then, once I was strapped in, the door opened and I saw a female Asian Yogi Bear enter the room. Ugh! The dreaded bait and switch was on. The lady wore black exercise tights. This seemed appropriate, since her face had kind of a sweaty, oily sheen, despite the fact that she had not exerted herself yet.
Long story short: Massage was mediocre, though not without some teasing. Once I was face-up, however, I found that DIY was on offer. I'd never encountered that here, but Yogi spoke the saddest of possible phrases:"You do." I countered with "No, YOU do." I don't like DIY anyway, but in this instance I wanted to have both hands free, so I could cover my eyes and think about someone hotter.- like, say, Bea Arthur or Judy Dench. After a few times over the net with the youdoyoudo nonsense, I won the point. All in all it was a forgettable experience (I hope) and I do believe that I'm over this place, even in a pinch.
Yogi's AMP name was Cici (like you didn't know that already).
Stopped by there late last week and couldn't get the number off the sign and door was locked.
Suffice to say CL post was back up and I was in town so got immediate appointment. What a pleasant surprise. The older gal who I had seen before was replaced by a younger Joanna. Got a nice massage with some fantastic light tease for 10 minutes pre flip. The HE was a 9 as the boy have nevr gotten so much attention and she was in no hurry.
On the plus side, she told me that Greenleaf in Portsmouth is under the same owner and that she works there 1-2 weeks a month. Certainly saves gas for me.
Take care and stay safe.
OR CH 13.
Tofttt saw this new ad for Waltham Newton st. Called and reconized the voice who answered the phone. Made an appointment and was very surprised to see girl who greeted me. She is in her mid to late 30's. Place is very clean and new. Paid the house fee for hour and got undressed. Massage was very mechanical with some teasing before the flip. Tried some roaming otc but she resisted and said she do not allow. Ask for HE but she said no. I think with a few more visit she will accomodate for a HE.
Good news for all you Aiko mongers out there. She will be back in December.
A reputable source confirms.
Further Ct reports that the "board" As it is known by has visited the infamous 40 harr in CT. The two salons one being. Diva and Lotus were paid a visit by Investigators surprised it took so long. But, your non-licensed rub and tug specialists will be unavailable for a while due to the recent compliance inspection. Rumour has it Judy and Diva spa are working answering phones but not safe on 2nd floor at 40 h for the time being. Pm me for more details..please mongers I have had contact with before please.
[QUOTE=Ledger6969;1940664]Good news for all you Aiko mongers out there. She will be back in December.
A reputable source confirms.
Further Ct reports that the "board" As it is known by has visited the infamous 40 harr in CT. The two salons one being. Diva and Lotus were paid a visit by Investigators surprised it took so long. But, your non-licensed rub and tug specialists will be unavailable for a while due to the recent compliance inspection. Rumour has it Judy and Diva spa are working answering phones but not safe on 2nd floor at 40 h for the time being. Pm me for more details..please mongers I have had contact with before please.[/QUOTE]Officer ledger.
Checked this place out they advtise on CL.
Left unhappy decent massage only.
Anyone had any luck here PM me.
I may try it again.
[QUOTE=Ledger6969;1940664]Rumour has it Judy and Diva spa are working answering phones but not safe on 2nd floor at 40 h for the time being. Pm me for more details..please mongers I have had contact with before please.[/QUOTE]I was at Diva last Friday, seemed to be business as usual.
Saw Niko (Miko?) for the half hour, had a good but nonprofessional rub and very nice finish. She's maybe in her 40's (actually I have no idea) with a little-girl voice and minimal English. Wearing yoga pants below and Fort Knox up top. Didn't feel the urge for UTC, but OTC was accepted.
Damage 50/40. Not shorted on time, maybe even a little over. No discussion of tip at any time.
[QUOTE=TommyAnonymus;1941425]I was at Diva last Friday, seemed to be business as usual.
Saw Niko (Miko?) for the half hour, had a good but nonprofessional rub and very nice finish. She's maybe in her 40's (actually I have no idea) with a little-girl voice and minimal English. Wearing yoga pants below and Fort Knox up top. Didn't feel the urge for UTC, but OTC was accepted.
Damage 50/40. Not shorted on time, maybe even a little over. No discussion of tip at any time.[/QUOTE]Has paid a visit to 40 Harrison Ave. In CT. To REQUIRE ALL NON-LICENSED BODYWORKERS STOP PRACTICING UNDER THE VAIL OF LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPISTS. If you should go up to 40 h second floor certain.