"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My AA 20 year old princess was "the" hottest girl in her high school. Period. When I met her she barely knew what sex was. But over time due to her winning personality I have loosened the virgin grip she had on me and slowly introduced her to what a real man needs to be happy. And no, she didn't have the bad attitude you refer to in your post which is why I hung in there till things got better. So lets all be grateful for what we've got. And if you really want those super hotties then you better be ready to spend and spend and spend.

One last statement. I have always been willing to sacrifice a little in the looks dept to get with a girl with a banging body and that knows how to use it (or is willing to be trained).

[QUOTE=Revvo;2014963]If you have been reading any of my posts for the last few months. You know I somewhat of a theory about what I consider one of the illnesses of our society the "hot chick" she is a special concoction of the times we live in. Completely self absorbed, selfish, and self centered, all at the same time. Inconsiderate, aloof mean, and no value to anyone other than their looks. And sadly enough pursued by both women and men. Well today I had a M&G with a really awesome young lady who is very good looking ans sexy and interesting, and not a hot chick, but her friend is a hot chick and got her SD from the SDforme site.

So she proceeded to tell me the insiders view of this particular hot chick. First I have to say that my girl or soon to be girl. Is really cool and down to earth and does not approve of the whole hot chick thing.

So a couple of things she told me. Her friend met her guy online and within two months, she had this idiot millionaire dude spend over $20 k on her. She demands that every time they meet from the first time to the last he must give her a gift including the money. She does not give him head, does not do anything fun in the sack, no experimental stuff, only one pop per session. He is a busy man, but if she texts him and he does not text back. She gets mad and gives him shit. What would possess a mature successful very wealthy man to put up with this shit? Looks? Thats it. Are you fucking kidding me?

I think I would go celibate before I ever ever put up with that shit. Now don't get me wrong I have had these pots and babies treat me wrong more than once. But at least I don't stick around. I am out of there.

Anyway when she complained to my girl about her SD not texting her back right away, my girl told her to just look at her $900 boots.

Amazingly no one talks about this. And it is like a disease in our society.

Thats a view from the other side of the bowl.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Revvo,

There you are talking about my ex-wife #2! You've described exactly the kind of girl she is. I was so happy to get out of that marriage, and was left with a three-year old kid to raise on my own since her mother was, and still is so incredible selfish. She has managed to find an SD idiot who has given her well over $200 K, and gotten virtually nothing to show for it. She literally kicks him out of bed if they are together. He comes back for more abuse. I don't understand why any guy would put up with that and lose their hard earned money in the process. Life is too short to put up with selfish women.

I enjoyed your post because it confirms my experience with the selfish ***** and I am much happier playing in the sugar bowl with its ups and downs.

-krusty.

Fridays have to be the worst day to get a random sugar babe, especially after 9 at night. I sent out like 10 txt messages and got 3 replies. Decided to go with a girl from my B team. Picked her up at 10.30 pm for an overnite. She is so shy but adorable. 19 HCB that is really sweet and with some great natural oral skills. Here she is this morning.

So I feel like Willie Loman from death of a salesman. Next time, next time. And I cannot deny that I have been disappointed to the point of saying fuck this crazy game and its weird people. I am going to give up. But just about that time something great happens. So goes my story. So lets start with my stumbles and finish with some great shit.

So lets go down the list.

My Italian Paralegal POT: Has continued to sporadically contact me and I even told her we would get together. But I really did not have the time anymore for her and her shit. Where I just don't know what will happen to her next. So if I did not have so many prospects I would but since I don't. I won't bother.

Tat Pinup baby: She flaked on me from last week. She did answer my calls. But she has a bit of weirdness to her and I do not really expect to hear from her again. Would I fuck her yeah sure if she called me and I had the time. And I would not give her any money either. But not needed right now.

Pageant Latina Baby: I knew she would be a long term prospect and so far that has proven out. She is getting better and better. I said she was looking for a little extra money for bills and I also believe she is not getting any sex from her dick-less boyfriend at home. She has become more and more responsive to me. But then she got a new and better job and will not have a real schedule for a couple of weeks. This happened just about the time we were supposed to meet this week. So that was a big disappointment but par for the course lately. But she contacts me every day if I do not contact her. I can see she wants the closeness but is waiting for me to give it to her first. And I give it to her and I will continue my slow roll with her.

Blond Sexy MILF: You saw her story below about the surprise boyfriend that was a police officer. Have not heard from her since and really do not expect her to. Big waste of first class pussy. But one of the major disappointments of a very disappointing two weeks.

UTR Redhead: No contact. She is gone.

Brazilian Beauty: The biggest disappointment because of my desire for this one to be good. She was beautiful and sweet and not demanding and good communicator. She was a total flake. Was texting me right up to an hour before we were to meet. Then she just went silent. Seemed like a sweet girl. But you never never know for sure.

Beach Blond Divorcee: So while all of the other flakes and bullshit was going on. Right in the middle this sweet 36 YO baby. She had been a little bit flaky but not bad. And she made the mistake of missing a call with me. I had just kind of got frustrated. And sent her a negative text. Nothing too terrible. But it was enough to scare her away. So I shot myself in the foot with this one. The shit just got to me. And I had a moment of weakness. LOL Bad timing.

Long Haried Latina Cutie: Went dark. Profile was suspended. I figured she just found someone else. Gone.

Blondie and Beautiful: She backed out of our M&G she is gorgeous. Only even messaged two guys on the site. And believe me she would have been covered up with all of the other schlubs on that site. But she is self described nervous. But she did message me instead of flaking. And she is still communicating with me. Considering how skittish she is I consider this a major victory. May not go anywhere but I will keep trying for a while. She is worth it.

Now some good news.

Panamanian Cutie: I contact this cute little mixed race chick from AF at the spur of the moment after one of the other POTs self destructed. She is in her college class. She is a second year college student. 18 YO very intelligent and very cute and curvy. Not fat. But man she has these beautiful soft curves and gorgeous plump titties. And her face is adorable. She agrees to talk on the phone on a break and then to meet for coffee after class. We do and she is adorable. She is part white, Italian, Panamanian, and AA. I give her a 8/7/10/? . Wonderful smile and so open and honest. Not interested in any money a real amateur. Just sexually open and willing to explore her own sexuality. We have a great time and agree to a second date. Which we did yesterday great second date. We did some smoochin and kissing but she does not like PDA, but at the same time she is ready for the FC, so next week, I am planning on fucking her on Wednesday night. This could be a really nice long term development with no cost other than expenses. And she is very willing to learn. Both dates were so pleasant she is so normal, mature for 18, and fun and cute.

Trim All American: So this 30 YO MILF contacts me and is really cool. We start the conversation and it goes remarkably well. She is experienced but not a gold digger. She is the one in the story below about the girlfriend who is a hot chick. She is so cool and fun to talk to. I give her a 8/8/9/? So far. We talk and texted extensively and are hitting it off great. She is really interested in getting to know me. She has a child but lots of free time and a potentially her place to meet. She has her own place, her own car, and her own life. We met we chatted it went well there was some flirting but I did detect she is about going slow. Which once again I have no problem with. I tried to kiss her when we left. But she did not want anyone spotting her and getting back to her ex who is a bit nutty. I understand and consider her pretty smart. She is ready to meet again right away. And said if it was another environment other than broad daylight in a parking lot. She would kiss me. She is so cool and has great potential. However of any of these pots she seems the least of a sure thing. And she may be expensive when it comes down to it. I cannot figure it out yet.

Sexy Italian: This is truly what this site should be about. She is absolutely stunning. I was able to break through all of the pretenders on the site and get her attention after a while. She contacts me back. She is 26 YO dark hair brilliant eyes little spinner body and nice titties. Stunning I would give her a 9.5/9.5/10/? So far. She sent a bunch of beautiful photos and a really nice note to my email address. Then we exchanged a few pleasantries and soon was texting while she was in the tanning booth. And 30 minutes later we were having a great conversation on the phone.

I immediately scheduled a M&G for the next day. And later that night we had another fun text exchange where she told me she liked me and had a good feeling about me and her. Now this chick is really hot not just good looking so she has her pick of the litter. She is cool, good communicator, fun and funny, classy, has a good job, car and lives with her cousin but is moving into her own place soon. She seems honest and well put together. And by the way she has my favorite look in a woman. That is the dark hair with brilliant light eyes.

We meet and it went great Starbucks sat for an hour talking, flirting, touching, giving each other compliments and having an all around good time. I asked her how she was going to make me happy. And her eyes lit up surprised but then she said what do you want. All interested in my answer. After about an hour. I held her hand and walked her to her car and we planned our next long date for Monday, and I proceeded to kiss the most luscious delicious lips ever. The more I kissed her the more she responded to me. I pulled her in tight and she let out a whimper and we kissed some more. It was awesome. Then she asked me if I was going to keep her. Can you believe that? I said sure. She has told me that she never gives out her number but she had a feeling about me. She believes in signs. Since then we have been texting and talking on the phone until our meeting on Monday. And I can just literally feel the attraction building. She is very cool and so damn sexy. I have four chicks that want to meet on Monday but this one has all of my attention and she is good to go so I will be meeting her first. Others have to wait.

So went from disaster to happy days in a short turn of events. Thats the way it happens. Just have to have the stamina and positive attitude to turn it all around. And believe me I was tested this week. Not for the faint of heart. But what I am looking for is also not easy to find. What am I looking for? As I mentioned before I am looking for a quality experience. This could possibly be one very beautiful payed baby to spend time with that really really turns me on. And one no dollar young baby that is being trained to be a full on sex and play toy. Of course all this may change next week. LOL.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;2015373]Revvo,

There you are talking about my ex-wife #2! You've described exactly the kind of girl she is. I was so happy to get out of that marriage, and was left with a three-year old kid to raise on my own since her mother was, and still is so incredible selfish. She has managed to find an SD idiot who has given her well over $200 K, and gotten virtually nothing to show for it. She literally kicks him out of bed if they are together. He comes back for more abuse. I don't understand why any guy would put up with that and lose their hard earned money in the process. Life is too short to put up with selfish women.

I enjoyed your post because it confirms my experience with the selfish ***** and I am much happier playing in the sugar bowl with its ups and downs.

-krusty.[/QUOTE]Krusty, At least you got out. Could you just imagine what goes through the heads of these rich men that take this abuse and keep coming back. What are they thinking. How much suffering they go through.

Hollywood, great description and so fascinating. I still miss my little Venezuelan baby all of the time. She was by far the best sex of my life. And the second bast blow job I ever had. She was not a 10 she was a 8/10/9/10+. I consider her one of the finest women I have ever known. And I only ever gave her 150 per visit. She was cute sweet, normal, had her own place. And never ever gave me a minute of grief. Just happiness.

What do these idiot rich men want. Happiness or just a hot chick to torment them?

Amazing.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2014963]

An Insiders View Into A "Hot Chick"

If you have been reading any of my posts for the last few months. You know I somewhat of a theory about what I consider one of the illnesses of our society the "hot chick" she is a special concoction of the times we live in. Completely self absorbed, selfish, and self centered, all at the same time. Inconsiderate, aloof mean, and no value to anyone other than their looks. And sadly enough pursued by both women and men. Well today I had a M&G with a really awesome young lady who is very good looking ans sexy and interesting, and not a hot chick, but her friend is a hot chick and got her SD from the SDforme site.

So she proceeded to tell me the insiders view of this particular hot chick. First I have to say that my girl or soon to be girl. Is really cool and down to earth and does not approve of the whole hot chick thing.

So a couple of things she told me. Her friend met her guy online and within two months, she had this idiot millionaire dude spend over $20 k on her. She demands that every time they meet from the first time to the last he must give her a gift including the money. She does not give him head, does not do anything fun in the sack, no experimental stuff, only one pop per session. He is a busy man, but if she texts him and he does not text back. She gets mad and gives him shit. What would possess a mature successful very wealthy man to put up with this shit? Looks? Thats it. Are you fucking kidding me?

* * * Revvo.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the millionaire businessman has a hot chick he can lay whenever he wants, getting what he wants, doesn't worry about the cost and pays no attention to the girl when he's busy, knowing she can't do anything about it. Sounds like the millionaire holds the power in this relationship as I expect he would. Sounds like the girl Revvo met at the M&G might be a bit jealous as women tend to be.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2015170]A prostitute is a girl that takes money in exchange for sex from multiple men she is unattracted to, and engages in sex acts that do not turn her on. (and may have items not on the menu that may seem quite normal to you)

A sugar baby is a girl that is compensated for her time by men (usually one at a time) that she is attracted to... And only has sex that she is turned on by. (but will usually do things out of her comfort zone to please her man)[/QUOTE]This fits the common view of the board that a sugar baby represents a different kind of pay for play, the sugar baby being held in higher regard. I think this view is driven more by the image we hold of ourselves just as our image of self impacts the car we buy. Sugar baby is just a better fit for our image of self. I seem to be the only one saying the term sugar baby is a distinction without a difference. In all pay for play we pick out the girl, we pay the girl, we are one of several men doing the same thing with her and but for that she would be long gone. Better stated, she would never enter the door in the first place. We kid ourselves thinking otherwise. And about the girls being so turned on having sex with us, let's stop dolling out the dollars and see how that works.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2015689]This fits the common view of the board that a sugar baby represents a different kind of pay for play, the sugar baby being held in higher regard. I think this view is driven more by the image we hold of ourselves just as our image of self impacts the car we buy. Sugar baby is just a better fit for our image of self. I seem to be the only one saying the term sugar baby is a distinction without a difference. In all pay for play we pick out the girl, we pay the girl, we are one of several men doing the same thing with her and but for that she would be long gone. Better stated, she would never enter the door in the first place. We kid ourselves thinking otherwise. And about the girls being so turned on having sex with us, let's stop dolling out the dollars and see how that works.[/QUOTE]You need to look for some better girls. LOL. Am I deluded into thinking I am all that?. No. Do I think all these girls are naive angels? Hardly. But when I have a girl I know for a fact is being exclusive to me, and see her turning down way way more money than I could ever pay (especially when they cant pay their bills), then yes, I do feel special.

Part of the thrill is getting with first timers. Do they stay that way for long? It varies. (my princess stripper is a first timer and lasted a year so far)(try getting her to grind on you at the club, you will be sorely disappointed). Laugh all you want but I know what I am talking about. But dont compare a teenager sticking her toe in the water for the first time with a seasoned pro. In the past I have dated pros for free. How is that possible you may ask. Everyone needs a break. And people have different needs from time to time. So anything is possible out there. I am down for all of it but lean towards the exclusive relationships even if the girls are serial monogamists.

Does being tall, dark and handsome. Living in the hollywood hills and driving a luxury sports car. And having a big dick that stays hard till they say daddy hurt my ability to get quality girls in spite of my paltry offers that barely cover a cel phone bill? Who knows.

This is a topic that is very nuanced and could go on forever. I dont agree or disagree. Its just my perspective. At least we get what we pay for (sexually that is), not like a wife or so called civi girlfriend that can say no whenever they want. And how much do they cost? I'd rather be with a first round draft pick than a girlfriend, professional golddigger, SO, SW, escort, UTR or AMP girl any day (excluding my roommate who I worship like a goddess in spite of her many followers). Also letting my POTS know I have multiple regulars really amps up the competition. Or totally turns them off. Either way its a win for me. For me its all about control. The more in control I am, the harder my dick gets. The moment I see that control slipping I know its time to move on. And pardon the rambling.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2015706]You need to look for some better girls. LOL. Am I deluded into thinking I am all that?. No. Do I think all these girls are naive angels? Hardly. But when I have a girl I know for a fact is being exclusive to me, and see her turning down way way more money than I could ever pay (especially when they cant pay their bills), then yes, I do feel special.

Part of the thrill is getting with first timers. Do they stay that way for long? It varies. (my princess stripper is a first timer and lasted a year so far)(try getting her to grind on you at the club, you will be sorely disappointed). Laugh all you want but I know what I am talking about. But dont compare a teenager sticking her toe in the water for the first time with a seasoned pro. In the past I have dated pros for free. How is that possible you may ask. Everyone needs a break. And people have different needs from time to time. So anything is possible out there. I am down for all of it but lean towards the exclusive relationships even if the girls are serial monogamists.

Does being tall, dark and handsome. Living in the hollywood hills and driving a luxury sports car. And having a big dick that stays hard till they say daddy hurt my ability to get quality girls in spite of my paltry offers that barely cover a cel phone bill? Who knows.

This is a topic that is very nuanced and could go on forever. I dont agree or disagree. Its just my perspective. At least we get what we pay for (sexually that is), not like a wife or so called civi girlfriend that can say no whenever they want. And how much do they cost? I'd rather be with a first round draft pick than a girlfriend, professional golddigger, SO, SW, escort, UTR or AMP girl any day (excluding my roommate who I worship like a goddess in spite of her many followers). Also letting my POTS know I have multiple regulars really amps up the competition. Or totally turns them off. Either way its a win for me. For me its all about control. The more in control I am, the harder my dick gets. The moment I see that control slipping I know its time to move on. And pardon the rambling.[/QUOTE]Good points Hollywood. So many shades of grey to the relationships between men and women and money. And I wanted to add one more point and this has to do with the theory that removing the money from the equation and then see how long a woman will stick around. Of course this is true. But it begs why is the woman attracted to the man. And I do not believe it is crass to understand that one of the main reasons women are attracted to men is for their money.

Well a couple of things. If I stopped giving my wife money she would not stick around either. As would most wives. Lets face it even in our modern society women still mainly expect men to earn the money and men mainly expect women to provide the sex and take care of the children. Regardless of if it is on a sugar web site or not.

The other point is that the whole point of the sugar equation is an expectation and when you remove the sugar you are reneging on your side of the equation or your side of the deal. Just like if a woman removed sex from the equation but still wants to be in a relationship with you and pay her after you already had an agreement. How long would you stick around? It is just part of the deal. Change the deal and it takes away trust. Where is the relationship after that?

We need them and they need us for different reasons. But still we need each other. Take away one of the reasons they need us and you ruin the relationship.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2014963]If you have been reading any of my posts for the last few months. You know I somewhat of a theory about what I consider one of the illnesses of our society the "hot chick" she is a special concoction of the times we live in. Completely self absorbed, selfish, and self centered, all at the same time. Inconsiderate, aloof mean, and no value to anyone other than their looks. And sadly enough pursued by both women and men. Well today I had a M&G with a really awesome young lady who is very good looking ans sexy and interesting, and not a hot chick, but her friend is a hot chick and got her SD from the SDforme site.

So she proceeded to tell me the insiders view of this particular hot chick. First I have to say that my girl or soon to be girl. Is really cool and down to earth and does not approve of the whole hot chick thing.

So a couple of things she told me. Her friend met her guy online and within two months, she had this idiot millionaire dude spend over $20 k on her. She demands that every time they meet from the first time to the last he must give her a gift including the money. She does not give him head, does not do anything fun in the sack, no experimental stuff, only one pop per session. He is a busy man, but if she texts him and he does not text back. She gets mad and gives him shit. What would possess a mature successful very wealthy man to put up with this shit? Looks? Thats it. Are you fucking kidding me?

I think I would go celibate before I ever ever put up with that shit. Now don't get me wrong I have had these pots and babies treat me wrong more than once. But at least I don't stick around. I am out of there.

Anyway when she complained to my girl about her SD not texting her back right away, my girl told her to just look at her $900 boots.

Amazingly no one talks about this. And it is like a disease in our society.

Thats a view from the other side of the bowl.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]There are gluttons for punishment anywhere, and the millionaire guy you described sounds like someone with a mommy complex that wants a woman to tell him what to do instead of a daddy wanting a baby. Maybe we are all a little broken, whatever --I guess everyone has the own fetishes, but I won't tolerate less than spectacular sex, and if I'm not satisfied (to whatever I define satisfy to mean on a per-visit basis), she won't be paid. I will tell her that before hand so there is no disappointment on either of our part, all of fair play.

If I wanted to be the patsy I'm pretty sure they have websites for submissive males to be controlled by females. But it's not going to be me. I have noticed a geographical variation in various SB attitudes, after a while you can almost predict it by city. It can range from "so how much is my allowance" out of her mouth in the first five minutes, to meeting a genuinely sweet girl that displays a kindness you can respect and brings out the best in you.

I send my form letter to all age girls. By far the most response I get is from the 19 to 22 range. Either I am really immature, too cheap or just like to KISS.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2016042]There are gluttons for punishment anywhere, and the millionaire guy you described sounds like someone with a mommy complex that wants a woman to tell him what to do instead of a daddy wanting a baby. Maybe we are all a little broken, whatever --I guess everyone has the own fetishes, but I won't tolerate less than spectacular sex, and if I'm not satisfied (to whatever I define satisfy to mean on a per-visit basis), she won't be paid. I will tell her that before hand so there is no disappointment on either of our part, all of fair play.

If I wanted to be the patsy I'm pretty sure they have websites for submissive males to be controlled by females. But it's not going to be me. I have noticed a geographical variation in various SB attitudes, after a while you can almost predict it by city. It can range from "so how much is my allowance" out of her mouth in the first five minutes, to meeting a genuinely sweet girl that displays a kindness you can respect and brings out the best in you.[/QUOTE]Great comments Jeez. I agree I set the expectations and if they don't live up to them I am gone. But I have never told them they will not get paid. Seems a little harsh to me. I have often thought about offering better rewards for better performance but I have decided that is just too mercenary on my end. And goes contrary to what I am looking for. I am looking for a quality experience with an emotional component to it. I want someone I can be close to and have a long term relationship.

And I am all about the issue of certain cities being so mercenary. I am in s Fla. And I can tell you it is really bad down here. But there are always little gems hiding in there. Not many and man they are really hard to find and to snare. But they are there.

In fact I may have stumble across a couple of them recently after much pain. Time will tell.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2016544]Great comments Jeez. I agree I set the expectations and if they don't live up to them I am gone. But I have never told them they will not get paid. Seems a little harsh to me. I have often thought about offering better rewards for better performance but I have decided that is just too mercenary on my end. And goes contrary to what I am looking for. I am looking for a quality experience with an emotional component to it. I want someone I can be close to and have a long term relationship.

And I am all about the issue of certain cities being so mercenary. I am in s Fla. And I can tell you it is really bad down here. But there are always little gems hiding in there. Not many and man they are really hard to find and to snare. But they are there.

In fact I may have stumble across a couple of them recently after much pain. Time will tell.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]That is a little harsh. LOL. I just let them know what I expect, but every girl is different. Some have amazing banging skills, some have insane oral abilities, or they may be super submissive, but if I add up all the things I like or would want, it's an almost impossible list. So I try to get the best of whatever it is they have to offer. If I,m not getting my minimum daily requirement I go silent. Or I might see 2 different girls in one day to get it all.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2016544]Great comments Jeez. I agree I set the expectations and if they don't live up to them I am gone. But I have never told them they will not get paid. Seems a little harsh to me. I have often thought about offering better rewards for better performance but I have decided that is just too mercenary on my end. And goes contrary to what I am looking for. I am looking for a quality experience with an emotional component to it. I want someone I can be close to and have a long term relationship.

And I am all about the issue of certain cities being so mercenary. I am in s Fla. And I can tell you it is really bad down here. But there are always little gems hiding in there. Not many and man they are really hard to find and to snare. But they are there.

In fact I may have stumble across a couple of them recently after much pain. Time will tell.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I should probably clarify about telling them they will not get paid -- obviously if the conversation gets to the point where I have to say that, I've probably already marked her off the list in terms of meeting in person, so by that time it's no loss for her or for me. It's just that every now and then you run across one that believes her pussy is the most valuable vag on the planet, and it comes across in her attitude, so I just make it clear that daddy needs to get his money's worth if baby wants allowance, but as far as how tactfully I actually word that, well it varies based individual and is usually not done in a way that would reflect badly on me. Even when things go badly, I try to make sure I wrap things up the same way I would a conflict situation in a business environment -- in a way that wouldn't hurt my reputation if someone else asked her about her interactions with me after the fact. Walk away from each one under the assumption they are reviewing you somewhere on a website :) As they say, it's not what you say as much as how you say it that, and if I'm trying to get the girl to warm up to me for a meeting I will get the point across gently and with charm, whereas if I'm trying to push her away I'll be a little colder and firmer about it.

The time I use this tactic most is when I get these who come right out and say (sometimes in their profile) that absolutely unconditionally no sex on the first date. My philosophy is that the chemistry is either present or its not, and adding ritualistic rules to what happens or in this case cannot happen on the first date is an instant deal breaker for me. It's amazing how many of them come back and say "well I didn't really mean I'm not open to it, I just wanted to filter out pervs" etc.

And yes, you're right on about South Florida, some of them are real lookers but the attitude is a bit too much sometimes. I just assumed that's because there's so much money/drugs around Miami that they are used to making more money than girls elsewhere (thus inflated ego)?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2016606]That is a little harsh. LOL. I just let them know what I expect, but every girl is different. Some have amazing banging skills, some have insane oral abilities, or they may be super submissive, but if I add up all the things I like or would want, it's an almost impossible list. So I try to get the best of whatever it is they have to offer. If I,m not getting my minimum daily requirement I go silent. Or I might see 2 different girls in one day to get it all.[/QUOTE]Agreed, and I never mention a specific skill they need to do well or anything. Good sex can come in many forms. I just make sure I send them lots of photos of myself that give a fair representation, and I say "well you now have a really good idea what I look like, so you already know if you're attracted or not or you'll know it for sure within the first minutes of meeting". From there on out my only expectation is enthusiasm, which should come natural if she's liking me. I can't stand the thought that some potential SDs get worked into spending tons of cash and get either bad / apathetic sex or none at all. Nobody should pay anything for that.