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[QUOTE=ReadyFreddy;4226291]I don't see an issue with it. If a lady has no desire to see someone under 30, that is her prerogative. Frankly, I appreciate that. I don't see anyone under 40, I fully understand where she's coming from. It's a safety issue, nothing more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding. I appreciate your feedback.
[QUOTE=Lopezcumins;4232499]I'm looking for a girl that goes by the name Sophia Ducati. Any info would be helpful want to see her again!!
[URL]https://escortindex.com/ad/miami/786-864-7906/1/1988261[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks expensive.
Why are you looking for her? You got her add right there with a phone number.
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Hey Mongers,
I was hoping if there are any good recent reviews or recommendations for an incall. Looking for BBBJ, MSOG, younger. Race doesn't matter so much.
I've tried looking back through some posts, but can only do so much.
Thanks guys!
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1473210[/URL]
Just wondering if anyone has any info on her, I should be back in Miami in about two weeks and was looking to relax.
I had the same experience there. It was a mess with ho's and handlers just hanging outside. One of the most uncomfortable experiences possible so I drove away. I actually saw her walking outside and she looked pretty good but no way I was walking into that mess or parking my car there.
[QUOTE=Rico1000;4228577][URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/31899237/sunshine[/URL]
I tried seeing her once but yea she close to the home depot down by florida city staying at a crack shack motel notel. I told her I be there in 5 minutes and when I pull into the parking lot I see what looked like a wrap up with previous john so I circled the block couple of times pulled in again and low and behold they are still talking like old friends catching up. I drove around the block couple more times and yep they still catching up I parked hoping this dickhead would get the fuck on but no he still parked not going anywhere and then I got solicited by a fat moped who used to post on escortbab and there was a couple of other working girls coming out of this rat hole to do laundry. Bunch of crackheads walking about and fools riding 10 speeders looking to get into something. And this was around 10 am.[/QUOTE]
I think she has been written about before but wondering if anyone has recent info?
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/26132380/[/URL]
[URL]https://lazypal.com/escorts/listings/305-842-6379/[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1473210[/URL]
What ever happened to the house in Hialeah?
Unfortunately I wasted 100 roses. Pics from first link are total bull, the MILF in the room had no ink at all. And the other links may have been her but they are not what she looks like. 1st she is older and a bit of a MILF but she is a lousy date. She is a clean freak which isn't bad but damn she is extreme! I am a very clean and presentable guy, but she made me go through 3 different levels of cleaning with soap and water, then alcohol and then wipes. Holy crap LOL. She doesn't like her tits played with or her pussy, no BBBJ, no DATY and a total rush. Definitely will never repeat.
[QUOTE=MeetFoRealFun;4234035]I think she has been written about before but wondering if anyone has recent info?
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/26132380/[/URL]
[URL]https://lazypal.com/escorts/listings/305-842-6379/[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1473210[/URL][/QUOTE]
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/27607926/[/URL]
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OK, Yeah, I was trying to talk intelligently about women choosing who they let do them. It's a real issue every guy deals with. BTW, I like girls with Brown skin, I hope that's OK to say.
I am looking for information on Alex (Alexandra H.) age 30 5'9" 135 lbs red hair blue eyes tattoos of musical notes on right shoulder, needle track marks lives around 70St NE 2 Ave sometimes rides a bicycle in the area. Does anyone know her, are there any reviews available?
Man Miami has become one big joke this year. The selection is a terrible. Either the pics are fake or its a Damn email scam. Then the ones who are real charge way to much. Had one diamond but she never works. Then there is the ives dairy crew. House full of WG.
[QUOTE=WrongNo;4234805]I am looking for information on Alex (Alexandra H.) age 30 5'9" 135 lbs red hair blue eyes tattoos of musical notes on right shoulder, needle track marks lives around 70St NE 2 Ave sometimes rides a bicycle in the area. Does anyone know her, are there any reviews available?[/QUOTE]Ah, Sexxi Lexxi isn't very sexy anymore. Too much sugar has done a lot of damage. She will also say whatever you want to hear to get you to give her some $$ I would avoid, but if you must, make sure the deed is done first before she sees any famous dead folks.
[QUOTE=Cedric6996;4237093]Man Miami has become one big joke this year. The selection is a terrible. Either the pics are fake or its a Damn email scam. Then the ones who are real charge way to much. Had one diamond but she never works. Then there is the ives dairy crew. House full of WG.[/QUOTE]Ives Dairy crew? What's this?
[QUOTE=VeteranMonger;4238623]Ives Dairy crew? What's this?[/QUOTE]I'm wondering the same thing. Please Cedric, enlighten us.
Visiting from out of town soon. Found [URL]harlothub.com[/URL] and there looks to be only about 10 girls on there (mostly smokin hot) but may be TGTBT. I don't mind spending extra if any of these are worth the price of admission. Here we just two that seem really hot. Anyone familiar with the site or any of the girls on it? Feel free to PM if so. Thanks in advance.
Giselle.
[URL]https://harlothub.com/united-states/florida/miami-beach/female-escorts/954-998-5772-207992.html[/URL]
Alejandra.
[URL]https://harlothub.com/united-states/florida/miami-beach/female-escorts/305-539-2184-190563.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=GoodTimer88;4241412]Visiting from out of town soon. Found [URL]harlothub.com[/URL] and there looks to be only about 10 girls on there (mostly smokin hot) but may be TGTBT. I don't mind spending extra if any of these are worth the price of admission. Here we just two that seem really hot. Anyone familiar with the site or any of the girls on it? Feel free to PM if so. Thanks in advance.
Giselle.
[URL]https://harlothub.com/united-states/florida/miami-beach/female-escorts/954-998-5772-207992.html[/URL]
Alejandra.
[URL]https://harlothub.com/united-states/florida/miami-beach/female-escorts/305-539-2184-190563.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The area of Miami Beach that is one of the girl's incall location is an area of all residential apts. That incall location is probably the same apt as the one advertised several months ago which had good looking young girls. Or now it could be a sting apt. Take your pick.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32155962/[/URL]
Hi All!
I've received one message about a FS provider but hoping to build up a few others that I could maybe work with.
Anyone have any experience with the following?
If so, please share and / or pm!
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/escorts/petite-brunette-s-t-u-n-n-i-n-g__1555835571-18768059/[/URL]
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/escorts/36d-gfe-happy-ending-best-service__1555787205-19049949[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1316518[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1314538[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1503789[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1295675[/URL]
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32344748/[/URL]
Car Date.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32180719/[/URL]
Also any input on this site?
[URL]https://888companions.com/888girls/[/URL]
[QUOTE=GlennUknow;4239042]I'm wondering the same thing. Please Cedric, enlighten us.[/QUOTE]Its a bunch of black girls, they all post back to back usually and they all work off 199th and ives dairy, by i95. I haven worked up the courage to yet, plus there are never any reviews. Its like 5 or 6 of them. SOmetimes they use fake pics, sometimes real.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/darealkittykatt/[/URL]
Thats one of them.
Before o Toft any intel appreciated.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32372005/[/URL]
Does anybody know what's up with Listcrawler / EscortAlligator? I can't read reviews, comments or view pictures anymore. It just keeps redirecting to Eros. Any info would be cool.
[QUOTE=ThaRiddler;4243651]Does anybody know what's up with Listcrawler / EscortAlligator? I can't read reviews, comments or view pictures anymore. It just keeps redirecting to Eros. Any info would be cool.[/QUOTE]I just opened the Aligator List, It's working, if you're being redirected to Eros you likely have a virus or tracking going on in your computer.
Go delete all the cookies, if that doesn't work install Super Anti-Spyware, if that doesn't work get a Norton subscription.
[URL]https://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/gallery/1/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.superantispyware.com/free-edition.html[/URL]
[URL]https://buy-static.norton.com/norton...E&gclsrc=aw.ds[/URL]
Happened to me, just clear your browser and don't sign in under your old screename if you had one
[QUOTE=ThaRiddler;4243651]Does anybody know what's up with Listcrawler / EscortAlligator? I can't read reviews, comments or view pictures anymore. It just keeps redirecting to Eros. Any info would be cool.[/QUOTE].
Anyone have experience?
[URL]https://www.yesbackpage.de/75/posts/8-Adult/122-Female-Escorts/1392145--HOT-SEXY-LATINA-CALL-ME-.html[/URL]
This looks TGTBT won't be trying but I'm curious non the less.
[URL]https://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32405920/[/URL]
Someone please tell me she's real LOL. Visiting in a few weeks and this would make my trip.
[URL]https://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32165902/[/URL]
Have any of you guys used Miami Elegant Escorts or Foxy List? Looking for something a little nicer than your run of the mill bad and tag but not quite Eros. If the girls on either of these sights are legit, looks like a good time for sure.
[QUOTE=WenRegnom88;4246347]Someone please tell me she's real LOL. Visiting in a few weeks and this would make my trip.
[URL]https://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32165902/[/URL][/QUOTE]She is real. Body is amazing. Face not so much, she's not ugly but her face isn't as great as her body.
Also she's not GFE.
I've been seeing the 888 companion girls for a while, it's usually a 0.5 $ house fee then YMMV with each girl but overall I've never had a bad session.
[QUOTE=WenRegnom88;4241815]Hi All!
I've received one message about a FS provider but hoping to build up a few others that I could maybe work with.
Anyone have any experience with the following?
If so, please share and / or pm!
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/escorts/petite-brunette-s-t-u-n-n-i-n-g__1555835571-18768059/[/URL]
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/escorts/36d-gfe-happy-ending-best-service__1555787205-19049949[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1316518[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1314538[/URL]
[URL]https://adultsearch.com/florida/miami/female-escorts/1503789[/URL]..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WenRegnom88;4246347]Someone please tell me she's real LOL. Visiting in a few weeks and this would make my trip.
[URL]https://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32165902/[/URL][/QUOTE]Seen her before rushed and nothing spectacular decent body though.
Been eyeing this cutie, I don't travel down south but been tempted.
Any info.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32550215/[/URL]
Thanks.
I texted 10 different numbers on Sunday afternoon from ho's offering car dates, ONE answered my back 4 hours later. Ended up at an AMP
[QUOTE=RebelRok;4250595]Been eyeing this cutie, I don't travel down south but been tempted.
Any info.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32550215/[/URL]
Thanks.[/QUOTE].
She told me she wanted 100. Forget that.
[QUOTE=RebelRok;4250595]Been eyeing this cutie, I don't travel down south but been tempted.
Any info.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.miami.listcrawler.com/post/32550215/[/URL]
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MeetFoRealFun;4257725]She told me she wanted 100. Forget that.[/QUOTE]I agree fuck that. LOL.
I am going to try and lay out the facts as best I can without trying to be negative but.
Went through screening and set a 2 hour appointment with Tina. Comes close to time and I am in Miami so I had to figure for traffic. So I asked where she was at so that I would be on time. She said that she was off exit 21 at Sheridan East. If you google that it comes up Sheridan East Condos on Sheridan st. Go find it and it looks like a condo one would find a provider.
She text and said 9:15 would be better, 9:15 the text to see if I am close. I told I was at the complex and was just chilling. She said why?, I told you to text me when you get off the Interstate although I told her on several occasions I was staying off the same exit. She gives me directions. It's a small house down an ally off a side street.
I think in the back of our minds we all think about the Starbucks girl or maybe the hot MILF at the grocery store and the reason the hobby is so addicting is because of the chase that one day we find this girl that doesn't exist. I have found that nearly all my visits are largely unfulfilling even though some were fun. So I decided to try the next tier up and book with a more expensive provider to see if the quality gets better, hence Tina.
She was what she appears to be in her pictures, a super tiny girl. MAYBE 4' 11". Body is nice but not quite what the pictures indicate and her face is not nearly the same. I mean, it's her but it isn't like the photos. Severe acne scarring and has the "industry" look to her.
The first dream was pretty great, despite the disappointment in the location and the distance between the pics and reality, the first session was pretty nice. After that we chilled and talked about music and was relaxed. Then she either took a call or made a call I really can't say for certain but I am sire she took it. Walked out of the bedroom. Was gone for a while and came back.
She danced for me a minute but would pick up her phone and use it some. Finally down for the second dream and she starts going full blast fast with the BBBJ, stopping and using her hand and jack hammering me. Although I told her several times that if she slowed down it would be better. But she did that for a while and then asked me to jack off while she got on the phone. Then went off to use the phone again. Came back and said she was sorry but she would get me hard again. She started and like the first session it was going good then the jack hammer came out. She did that a while and then asked me to jack off while she licked me. Then she said that I had to come within ten minutes. No pressure. So after a while I gave up.
We were chatting and she said, "Do you have my money?" then grabbed my pants reached into my pocket and pulled out my money. She then said I was prepared for just the right amount. She left as I got dressed. Thats not cool at all. Once dressed I walked into the living where she was and she was either handing someone something or someone was handing her something through the front door. I couldn't tell but at least some of the money was on a the table by the door. So I started to leave and she jumped on me and said "Please stay for a minute and drug me back into the room. Then she asked me if I drove or took Uber which she knew because she came out and told me where to park. When Said I drove she jumped up and said you can go then and I split.
We scheduled for 9 but was changed to 915 and then I was in the wrong spot. I believe she knows that if you google Sheridan East that you find those condos. It's a nice delay tactic. So I didn't get in until 930/945. I left at 1100, so the visit was not 2 hrs, she didn't finish the second sessions and was very rushed. Then the sketchy shit leaning out the door, not letting me leave.
She was decent for a $120 half HR session but to pay her rates and there is not upside in looks or service I felt like I wasted my money.
I am thinking that I am going to retire. I find this hobby ultimately unfulfilling. Sure I have had a couple of really good visits but by and large it's always a disappointment. The girls are never what they appear. I see now why I keep trying. Like I said we have these fantasies about women we see. The Starbucks girl, the waitress, the hot MILF in the store and I keep looking for that girl that looks and acts the part. It's been one sketchy fucked up after another, misleading pics that it seems was touched up by a wizard. And even the best experiences the chick still ends up being weird AF. I am spending a lot of money being constantly disappointed and unfulfilled. Might be past time I stopped.
As far as the girls I have seen Tina is as nice and sweet as the next. Her skin was tacky a little like she needed a shower and the head was fine so take that for what its worth but there is no way I'd spend fo fitty for that ever again.
Maybe I am in a bad mood, but there you have it.
Link?? Searched tina star couldn't find one
[QUOTE=TheRonChapman;4258096]I am going to try and lay out the facts as best I can without trying to be negative but.
Went through screening and set a 2 hour appointment with Tina. Comes close to time and I am in Miami so I had to figure for traffic. So I asked where she was at so that I would be on time. She said that she was off exit 21 at Sheridan East. If you google that it comes up Sheridan East Condos on Sheridan st. Go find it and it looks like a condo one would find a provider.
She text and said 9:15 would be better, 9:15 the text to see if I am close. I told I was at the complex and was just chilling. She said why?, I told you to text me when you get off the Interstate although I told her on several occasions I was staying off the same exit. She gives me directions. It's a small house down an ally off a side street.
I think in the back of our minds we all think about the Starbucks girl or maybe the hot MILF at the grocery store and the reason the hobby is so addicting is because of the chase that one day we find this girl that doesn't exist. I have found that nearly all my visits are largely unfulfilling even though some were fun. So I decided to try the next tier up and book with a more expensive provider to see if the quality gets better, hence Tina.
She was what she appears to be in her pictures, a super tiny girl. MAYBE 4' 11". Body is nice but not quite what the pictures indicate and her face is not nearly the same. I mean, it's her but it isn't like the photos. Severe acne scarring and has the "industry" look to her.
The first dream was pretty great, despite the disappointment in the location and the distance between the pics and reality, the first session was pretty nice. After that we chilled and talked about music and was relaxed. Then she either took a call or made a call I really can't say for certain but I am sire she took it. Walked out of the bedroom. Was gone for a while and came back.
She danced for me a minute but would pick up her phone and use it some. Finally down for the second dream and she starts going full blast fast with the BBBJ, stopping and using her hand and jack hammering me. Although I told her several times that if she slowed down it would be better. But she did that for a while and then asked me to jack off while she got on the phone. Then went off to use the phone again. Came back and said she was sorry but she would get me hard again. She started and like the first session it was going good then the jack hammer came out. She did that a while and then asked me to jack off while she licked me. Then she said that I had to come within ten minutes. No pressure. So after a while I gave up.
We were chatting and she said, "Do you have my money?" then grabbed my pants reached into my pocket and pulled out my money. She then said I was prepared for just the right amount. She left as I got dressed. Thats not cool at all. Once dressed I walked into the living where she was and she was either handing someone something or someone was handing her something through the front door. I couldn't tell but at least some of the money was on a the table by the door. So I started to leave and she jumped on me and said "Please stay for a minute and drug me back into the room. Then she asked me if I drove or took Uber which she knew because she came out and told me where to park. When Said I drove she jumped up and said you can go then and I split.
We scheduled for 9 but was changed to 915 and then I was in the wrong spot. I believe she knows that if you google Sheridan East that you find those condos. It's a nice delay tactic. So I didn't get in until 930/945. I left at 1100, so the visit was not 2 hrs, she didn't finish the second sessions and was very rushed. Then the sketchy shit leaning out the door, not letting me leave.
She was decent for a $120 half HR session but to pay her rates and there is not upside in looks or service I felt like I wasted my money.
I am thinking that I am going to retire. I find this hobby ultimately unfulfilling. Sure I have had a couple of really good visits but by and large it's always a disappointment. The girls are never what they appear. I see now why I keep trying. Like I said we have these fantasies about women we see. The Starbucks girl, the waitress, the hot MILF in the store and I keep looking for that girl that looks and acts the part. It's been one sketchy fucked up after another, misleading pics that it seems was touched up by a wizard. And even the best experiences the chick still ends up being weird AF. I am spending a lot of money being constantly disappointed and unfulfilled. Might be past time I stopped.
As far as the girls I have seen Tina is as nice and sweet as the next. Her skin was tacky a little like she needed a shower and the head was fine so take that for what its worth but there is no way I'd spend fo fitty for that ever again.
Maybe I am in a bad mood, but there you have it.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Gringo2123;4258716]Link?? Searched tina star couldn't find one
.[/QUOTE]She is on private delights. Com.
[QUOTE=TheRonChapman;4258096]I am going to try and lay out the facts as best I can without trying to be negative but.
Went through screening and set a 2 hour appointment with Tina. Comes close to time and I am in Miami so I had to figure for traffic. So I asked where she was at so that I would be on time. She said that she was off exit 21 at Sheridan East. If you google that it comes up Sheridan East Condos on Sheridan st. Go find it and it looks like a condo one would find a provider.
She text and said 9:15 would be better, 9:15 the text to see if I am close. I told I was at the complex and was just chilling. She said why?, I told you to text me when you get off the Interstate although I told her on several occasions I was staying off the same exit. She gives me directions. It's a small house down an ally off a side street.
I think in the back of our minds we all think about the Starbucks girl or maybe the hot MILF at the grocery store and the reason the hobby is so addicting is because of the chase that one day we find this girl that doesn't exist. I have found that nearly all my visits are largely unfulfilling even though some were fun. So I decided to try the next tier up and book with a more expensive provider to see if the quality gets better, hence Tina.
She was what she appears to be in her pictures, a super tiny girl. MAYBE 4' 11". Body is nice but not quite what the pictures indicate and her face is not nearly the same. I mean, it's her but it isn't like the photos. Severe acne scarring and has the "industry" look to her.
The first dream was pretty great, despite the disappointment in the location and the distance between the pics and reality, the first session was pretty nice. After that we chilled and talked about music and was relaxed. Then she either took a call or made a call I really can't say for certain but I am sire she took it. Walked out of the bedroom. Was gone for a while and came back.
She danced for me a minute but would pick up her phone and use it some. Finally down for the second dream and she starts going full blast fast with the BBBJ, stopping and using her hand and jack hammering me. Although I told her several times that if she slowed down it would be better. But she did that for a while and then asked me to jack off while she got on the phone. Then went off to use the phone again. Came back and said she was sorry but she would get me hard again. She started and like the first session it was going good then the jack hammer came out. She did that a while and then asked me to jack off while she licked me. Then she said that I had to come within ten minutes. No pressure. So after a while I gave up.
We were chatting and she said, "Do you have my money?" then grabbed my pants reached into my pocket and pulled out my money. She then said I was prepared for just the right amount. She left as I got dressed. Thats not cool at all. Once dressed I walked into the living where she was and she was either handing someone something or someone was handing her something through the front door. I couldn't tell but at least some of the money was on a the table by the door. So I started to leave and she jumped on me and said "Please stay for a minute and drug me back into the room. Then she asked me if I drove or took Uber which she knew because she came out and told me where to park. When Said I drove she jumped up and said you can go then and I split.
We scheduled for 9 but was changed to 915 and then I was in the wrong spot. I believe she knows that if you google Sheridan East that you find those condos. It's a nice delay tactic. So I didn't get in until 930/945. I left at 1100, so the visit was not 2 hrs, she didn't finish the second sessions and was very rushed. Then the sketchy shit leaning out the door, not letting me leave.
She was decent for a $120 half HR session but to pay her rates and there is not upside in looks or service I felt like I wasted my money.
I am thinking that I am going to retire. I find this hobby ultimately unfulfilling. Sure I have had a couple of really good visits but by and large it's always a disappointment. The girls are never what they appear. I see now why I keep trying. Like I said we have these fantasies about women we see. The Starbucks girl, the waitress, the hot MILF in the store and I keep looking for that girl that looks and acts the part. It's been one sketchy fucked up after another, misleading pics that it seems was touched up by a wizard. And even the best experiences the chick still ends up being weird AF. I am spending a lot of money being constantly disappointed and unfulfilled. Might be past time I stopped.
As far as the girls I have seen Tina is as nice and sweet as the next. Her skin was tacky a little like she needed a shower and the head was fine so take that for what its worth but there is no way I'd spend fo fitty for that ever again.
Maybe I am in a bad mood, but there you have it.[/QUOTE]Deceiving photos for sure. Next time just google a name like that. They usually show their idiot side somewhere on the web. This one does for sure. You can also see what they really look like and scan the background for their current living situation. This one looks like a million bucks on her escort site but looks like anybody's lower end streetwalker on her YouTube videos. And to drive for that is even more troublesome. Don't give up though. Just lower your expectations and understand the reality. Most are supporting an addiction. Catching them at the beginning is the trick. Catching them at the end is a waste. It's not like we are in this hobby to keep them. If the number you quoted was real, you could easily parlay that into 15-20 good nuts.