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[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info. I have been tempted so many times.

So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.

[QUOTE=Gcd02;2147909]So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.[/QUOTE]First of all, I want to thank Monger Heaven for creating this board. It's saved and is still saving my ass regularly, About the *****, I'm somewhat radical. I'd f. K with her everyway possible Starting with the tires! Damn, you're ucky.

Enough to have all that info. Get the *****! One suggestion. We like to post contact info on here, negative or positive, for all of us geezers to see. It's a form of contributing to the site. Hell, I might to make her life a.

Little miserable. I've done it before. The geezers on the board don't agree with me, but that's me.

[QUOTE=Gcd02;2147909]So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I stick with known reliable providers. I got taken once, which is one of the reasons I stopped picking up SW. I however, was pissed off enough to contact a police officer, GR wasn't as aggressive of keeping the SW trade under control back then. At any rate he made it clear to the lady, she could give back my cash or go to jail. As things are these days, I would not suggest that approach.

[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;2148425]One of the reasons I stick with known reliable providers. I got taken once, which is one of the reasons I stopped picking up SW. I however, was pissed off enough to contact a police officer, GR wasn't as aggressive of keeping the SW trade under control back then. At any rate he made it clear to the lady, she could give back my cash or go to jail. As things are these days, I would not suggest that approach.[/QUOTE]Yes, SW's have a rap for rips. But it is my experience only a small percentage of SW's rip guys off. In fact I will hazard a guess that those with a phone and add, rip guys off slightly more often than the average SW. But I'm not a good judge of this since I concentrate on SW's and avoid the higher cost SP's.

The best SW's are the BP / ad gals who are out and about because their phone isn't ringing enough. These 8's,9's, 10's are a real bargain. Of course some of them can be rips too. I have honed my SW picking skills where now I can find the UTR gals who provide an awesome GFE. There are also many fine looking SW's, newer to the job, that rate high in looks and 10 in skills.

At least with a SW, she is telling the world I am available. The trick is to negotiate quickly before reaching a destination, and cover the details of what is expected. And always be willing to cut your losses before getting too far down the road. The best line I have found so far; is, do you have some time? This tells them, I do not want a quick B&G. And for me there is no such thing. I'm too old for quick anything!

Be safe and good hunting. MW.

[QUOTE=MwJrp;2148510]Yes, SW's have a rap for rips. But it is my experience only a small percentage of SW's rip guys off. In fact I will hazard a guess that those with a phone and add, rip guys off slightly more often than the average SW. But I'm not a good judge of this since I concentrate on SW's and avoid the higher cost SP's.

The best SW's are the BP / ad gals who are out and about because their phone isn't ringing enough. These 8's,9's, 10's are a real bargain. Of course some of them can be rips too. I have honed my SW picking skills where now I can find the UTR gals who provide an awesome GFE. There are also many fine looking SW's, newer to the job, that rate high in looks and 10 in skills.

At least with a SW, she is telling the world I am available. The trick is to negotiate quickly before reaching a destination, and cover the details of what is expected. And always be willing to cut your losses before getting too far down the road. The best line I have found so far; is, do you have some time? This tells them, I do not want a quick B&G. And for me there is no such thing. I'm too old for quick anything!

Be safe and good hunting. MW.[/QUOTE]Another good reason I gave up the SW scene 16 years ago is that my area does not write you a ticket and send you on your way. They arrest, book and if you cannot afford the $500 bond you go before the judge the next day. They also seize your car as a crime forfeiture. Just way too serious for my tastes.

[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]Which ones did you see? Some of these ladies have really peeked my interest. I am will willing to pay for a happy massage especially if I can build up to more in the future. Maybe I am over valuing my negotiating and people skills but I love a challenge!

[QUOTE=Grguy07;2150165]Which ones did you see? Some of these ladies have really peeked my interest. I am will willing to pay for a happy massage especially if I can build up to more in the future. Maybe I am over valuing my negotiating and people skills but I love a challenge![/QUOTE]It's been well over a year and I really don't remember the names, not that any of the SPs ever change their names. The common threads were early 30's, always the same 1. 5 donation and only outcall. Sorry can't be of more help. I may have passed up some great girls since then but I wasn't going to get taken again.

Another I remember was that they always got 5 for FS and had a very condescending attitude that I didn't want to pay it. I have given sizeably smaller donations for FS with SPs that had much better attitudes, great service and were significantly better looking.

I can appreciate a challenge and if you take it up, I hope that you have better luck than I did.

[URL]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-am-a-rip-off-21/16439129[/URL]

Is this L. E or L. O. ?

[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]This sounds like Suzanne. Some pics look like they were from the 80's. Later she switched a lot of pics around then dropped off the face of BP earth.

Yea yea yea, I am alive and doing well! Just thought I'd drop in after a long absence from here to check things out. I have been extremely busy with work and yes, still trying to help out the girls of our hobby world. I am occasionally seeing my atf Jasmine. She has 3 jobs now so finding time with her and my busy schedules has become a task. Her good friend Nikki has now been employed by a contractor and I see her around my job sites now and then. SW Jasmine has also landed 2 jobs and was just recently hired in by one of them. Her bf Cassious has worked several times for me but I admit he makes me to nervous to get to deep with him. I am still called on by them for help but I am trying to let them figure things out more and more. Just to hard for me to let go of them as I have developed a true friendship with them.

Well, that's a quick update of the girls closest to me.

Play Safe, be good to the girls.

Asian.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2150910]This sounds like Suzanne. Some pics look like they were from the 80's. Later she switched a lot of pics around then dropped off the face of BP earth.[/QUOTE]Yes, she's been doing this for almost 20 years now, and I'm sure some of the pics that she posts are almost 20 years. Nothing but a soapy handjob and a bunch of upsell. She use to work out of that now-defunct hotel in Muskegon along 31 business. Can't remember the name of it, just remember her and her scams. Stay away.

I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2163868]I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.[/QUOTE]I am afraid, just like providers using fake pics and scamming clients, clients are either too scared to go through with the appointment or like to mess with providers. Blacklist those that waste your time and block their numbers from your phone.

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2163868]I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.[/QUOTE]My guess is in agreement with Badboy. Plus there is a tremendous amount of bad news in or close to our hobby in the GR area. We have the 18 yr old women involved with Craigslist. We have the women hanging out with the two guys in a crime spree. My guess is there are alot of questions in guys minds as to who have I talked to or messaged with. We are all a bit nervous between LEO and even worse. You are in a good place here and you have a vouch from a respected member so that should help. Can you post or pm some photos?

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2163868]I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.[/QUOTE]This has extended to Kalamazoo also. I was looking at touring to GR one weekend thinking it's just the area I'm in but I guess it extends to up in the GR too. I've also had a lot of no shows too lately. A text would be nice, I understand life happens. Hobbyists and providers both are in vulnerable positions. Hobbyists have encountered skeezy women who ruin it for us legit providers and we providers have dealt with clients who have made us approach each appointment with a slight case of cynicism. I fortunately gave not encountered rude treatment from a usasg member. But ugh! Sometimes I wish we had a sounding board for us escorts on here where we can post some stories so we can all see the other side. Or just so we can post the work we put into preparing for each appointment.

Everyone stay safe and respect one another! .

[QUOTE=Happyone99;2164522]My guess is in agreement with Badboy. Plus there is a tremendous amount of bad news in or close to our hobby in the GR area. We have the 18 yr old women involved with Craigslist. We have the women hanging out with the two guys in a crime spree. My guess is there are alot of questions in guys minds as to who have I talked to or messaged with. We are all a bit nervous between LEO and even worse. You are in a good place here and you have a vouch from a respected member so that should help. Can you post or pm some photos?[/QUOTE]Yes I understand perfectly. And have thought of blocking numbers but I am sure a couple actually did have something last minute turn up. It can be hard to juggle work home life and hobby fun and I get that. Thinking I'll start a 3 strikes and your out with that situation LOL as for pics I am currently still learning my way around this site and their rules and so forth so keep looking out I'll figure it out eventually. Thank you guys so much for the feed back. I am sure a lot of the ladies have this same issue. I was just a little peeved to have it happen 7 times in one week. Once again thank you and I hope to meet with you in the future!

[QUOTE=Happyone99;2164522]My guess is in agreement with Badboy. Plus there is a tremendous amount of bad news in or close to our hobby in the GR area. We have the 18 yr old women involved with Craigslist. We have the women hanging out with the two guys in a crime spree. My guess is there are alot of questions in guys minds as to who have I talked to or messaged with. We are all a bit nervous between LEO and even worse. You are in a good place here and you have a vouch from a respected member so that should help. Can you post or pm some photos?[/QUOTE]Here is a link to an attachment from this site so I think it's ok to post not sure if you will be able. To use it or not though. Here's to trying pleas. Let me know if it works.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=335009&d=1406341959[/URL]

[QUOTE=Happyone99;2164522]My guess is in agreement with Badboy. Plus there is a tremendous amount of bad news in or close to our hobby in the GR area. We have the 18 yr old women involved with Craigslist. We have the women hanging out with the two guys in a crime spree. My guess is there are alot of questions in guys minds as to who have I talked to or messaged with. We are all a bit nervous between LEO and even worse. You are in a good place here and you have a vouch from a respected member so that should help. Can you post or pm some photos?[/QUOTE]Count on this Hollander not to cancel on you. Will be calling you soon.

Ya got to remember one thing. A cancellation is a helluva lot better than a no show!

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2164641]Here is a link to an attachment from this site so I think it's ok to post not sure if you will be able. To use it or not though. Here's to trying pleas. Let me know if it works.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=335009&d=1406341959[/URL][/QUOTE]The photo link did not work for me.

I agree with Bloozer as far as I would not cancel on a provider and certainly would not no call no show.

Common sense and common courtesy can work here in the hobby as well.

Unfortunately common isn't so common anymore.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]335077[/ATTACH]

This is a recent photo I believe.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2165093][ATTACH=CONFIG]335077[/ATTACH]

This is a recent photo I believe.[/QUOTE]OMG thank you so. Much darling I. Can't. Figure. How. To. Do it.

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This is a recent photo I believe.[/QUOTE]She's phenominal! Treat her well. She went thru a lotta stuff getting her weight down. The beauty of it is, as young as she is, she's got a "monger's soul" being from A. E, E. V. , etc.

LADIES.

Due to the recent rise in cancels and no call no show, I will be making a personal list of men who are habitual offenders. This list will include screen names and phone numbers. While I will not share the whole list, if you have a question about a certain hobbyer, I will be glad to let you know if said person has caused me problems in the past. I really hate to go about it this way but I don't know what else to do. I've had a cancel or a ncns at least once a day for the past week and a half. And it isn't happening to just me. So here's to helping ladies!

HAPPY HOBBYING.

Stay Safe.

Yours in Play.

Innocence.

[blue]You may share any or all of this info by PM, but you can't post it. One of these days the USASG wants to start a private forum for advertisers on our new site. You would be able to share it there, but not here.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2165279]LADIES.

Due to the recent rise in cancels and no call no show, I will be making a personal list of men who are habitual offenders. This list will include screen names and phone numbers. While I will not share the whole list, if you have a question about a certain hobbyer, I will be glad to let you know if said person has caused me problems in the past. I really hate to go about it this way but I don't know what else to do. I've had a cancel or a ncns at least once a day for the past week and a half. And it isn't happening to just me. So here's to helping ladies!

HAPPY HOBBYING.

Stay Safe.

Yours in Play.

Innocence.

[blue]You may share any or all of this info by PM, but you can't post it. One of these days the USASG wants to start a private forum for advertisers on our new site. You would be able to share it there, but not here.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Oh I would never post any info on anyone publicly but thank you for keeping up on people's privacy here on the board it is much appreciated.

Wanted to say thanks for adding Muskegon and Holland to the list of city's. I know a few of us on gr page ate from these areas.

[QUOTE=Ford1275;2167969]Wanted to say thanks for adding Muskegon and Holland to the list of city's. I know a few of us on gr page ate from these areas.[/QUOTE]Now all Holland needs is postings! (which are few and far between) I think those CRC's won't let you have any fun!

[QUOTE=Bloozer;2168096]Now all Holland needs is postings! (which are few and far between) I think those CRC's won't let you have any fun![/QUOTE]And another thanks from me, Admin. Not a super active town, but there is a little to be had there.

I ran across this on YouTUbe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUEkwrK9R3M[/URL]

Dang, I have too much time in the morning.

This post is 3 Nutz (and two tits) approved

P.S. Thank you Itsy and Bitsy

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2171337]I ran across this on YouTUbe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUEkwrK9R3M[/URL]

Dang, I have too much time in the morning.

This post is 3 Nutz (and two tits) approved

P.S. Thank you Itsy and Bitsy[/QUOTE]I love a good mouth full of boob, but DAMN! 164's? That's not sexy if you ask me. They are down right dangerous!

[QUOTE=Shawtren;2171395]I love a good mouth full of boob, but DAMN! 164's? That's not sexy if you ask me. They are down right dangerous![/QUOTE]Agree, love a nice set of tits but this is crazy.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2171337]I ran across this on YouTUbe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUEkwrK9R3M[/URL]

Dang, I have too much time in the morning.

This post is 3 Nutz (and two tits) approved

P.S. Thank you Itsy and Bitsy[/QUOTE]Those aren't boobs. Those are freakshow attractions!

I have talked to a few girls that are good community members and they say they have never seen the number of guys not following through so high.

Some of it can be attributed to all the news lately. But that is not a valid excuse for treating people like this in my opinion.

I have used the term, "Senior in Good Standing" One of the characteristics of a SIGS is that they do not NC / NS (unless in hospital) and the do not have a track record of canceling appointments that have been scheduled and confirmed the same day of the appointment.

If you are concerned for your safety. Stick with sure bets. There are plenty listed here if you do a little reading.

If you get your jollies out of this behavior, grow up and get your big boy pants on if you are going to play.

If you are letting your little head make plans that your big head does not have the intestinal fortitude to follow through on, stop hanging around with him and do not take his calls.

Let's at least treat people like people guys.

If this is not you. Ignore this message.

This behavior is counter productive to all of us.

Am I missing something here?

This opinion piece is 3 Nutz approved.

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This is a recent photo I believe.[/QUOTE]Another thumbs up for Innocence69 from me. She is fantastic at what she does. You won't be disappointed!

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2172477]I have talked to a few girls that are good community members and they say they have never seen the number of guys not following through so high.
[/QUOTE]Some of us have been around on the hobby boards for over a decade. Some of the ladies asked me to look over their shoulder, while they talked with a "hobbyist" in chat. There were a huge number of guys who get off by NC / NSing on the ladies. It was so obvious, the way these guys were talking. They didn't apologize for past behavior and would pop up on chat to talk dirty with the SP. They seemed to want a free fantasy or to torture women with financial woes.

[QUOTE=Grmojo;2172664]Some of us have been around on the hobby boards for over a decade. Some of the ladies asked me to look over their shoulder, while they talked with a "hobbyist" in chat. There were a huge number of guys who get off by NC / NSing on the ladies. It was so obvious, the way these guys were talking. They didn't apologize for past behavior and would pop up on chat to talk dirty with the SP. They seemed to want a free fantasy or to torture women with financial woes.[/QUOTE]Grmojo:

I have known you a while. I agree this behavior has been around since men started acting narcissistic toward women. But you never took a position. Are your for or against this behavior?

I have a hard time thinking of a situation where this is mature harmless fun.

3 Nutz.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2172477]I have talked to a few girls that are good community members and they say they have never seen the number of guys not following through so high.

Some of it can be attributed to all the news lately. But that is not a valid excuse for treating people like this in my opinion.

I have used the term, "Senior in Good Standing" One of the characteristics of a SIGS is that they do not NC / NS (unless in hospital) and the do not have a track record of canceling appointments that have been scheduled and confirmed the same day of the appointment.

If you are concerned for your safety. Stick with sure bets. There are plenty listed here if you do a little reading.

If you get your jollies out of this behavior, grow up and get your big boy pants on if you are going to play.

If you are letting your little head make plans that your big head does not have the intestinal fortitude to follow through on, stop hanging around with him and do not take his calls.

Let's at least treat people like people guys.

If this is not you. Ignore this message.

This behavior is counter productive to all of us.

Am I missing something here?

This opinion piece is 3 Nutz approved.[/QUOTE]There is a fringe group of guys who apparently get their jollies by wasting a providers time and worse. I know a provider who was asked to provide outcall to an area about 75 minutes away from her home base. She dutifully drove to the address given only to find out it was fake. I know another that was robbed when she arrived at another outcall request that was a long distance from her home. This sort of crap really does reflect badly on customers who are considerate and enjoy the fine services provided. Unfortunately, there will always be dickheads associated with this hobby. If you can't make an appointment have the common decency to call and cancel and express some remorse to wasting her time. No reason whatsoever to no show / no call.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2172871]Grmojo:

I have known you a while. I agree this behavior has been around since men started acting narcissistic toward women. But you never took a position. Are your for or against this behavior?

I have a hard time thinking of a situation where this is mature harmless fun.

3 Nutz.[/QUOTE]I'm definitely against this behavior. I know one SP who went to Toledo, only to be cancelled by all 5 of her prescheduled appointments. That's just wrong! She had to call friends in a nearby city, in order to scrape together some cash to get a bus ride with.

I'm thinking we need a bad weather reporting area. I was choking down a week old Micky the's hockey puck burger on 28 ht st yesterday right by the RRI on 28th / costco area.

Not sure what was up but KC LEO was sitting behind the gas station in the overflow lot of RRI. Seemed like several people or hotel patrons out side on the balcony's out of their rooms.

Its not the first time I've seen KC LEO out at that hotel. Also there was someone scrutinizing anyone with a laptop who drove in sitting at the front of the office area.

Maybe a curious patron or someone who needed to know who was coming and going.

Whatever the fact it looked rather stormy over there. Heads up.

I agree that a spot to report of LEO issues would be a great addition to this board!

Play safe out there!

[QUOTE=Naughty12;2176096]I'm thinking we need a bad weather reporting area. I was choking down a week old Micky the's hockey puck burger on 28 ht st yesterday right by the RRI on 28th / costco area.

Not sure what was up but KC LEO was sitting behind the gas station in the overflow lot of RRI. Seemed like several people or hotel patrons out side on the balcony's out of their rooms.

Its not the first time I've seen KC LEO out at that hotel. Also there was someone scrutinizing anyone with a laptop who drove in sitting at the front of the office area.

Maybe a curious patron or someone who needed to know who was coming and going.

Whatever the fact it looked rather stormy over there. Heads up.[/QUOTE]