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[QUOTE=TerilusKong;2588076]Check out UG Flushing thread on page 3 [/QUOTE]Not so much interested in prices, just in general, but looking both here under Queens and New York City. General I don't see any such thread. Could you please point a finger in its general direction?
Boston area - 40 standard tip, 50-60 if you can roam otc or utc. 80-100 for CBJ or FS or BBBJ sometimes if your lucky.
As usual YMMV for the tips they ask.
I see a lot of craiglist ads that show $45 for the hour massage? That's cheap. In Boston it cost $40 for half hour.
[QUOTE=DazedWhack;2584814]Ok, I know this is a topic on which people have differing opinions. But if you go to an AMP, the hour is $60, the massage is good, and there's a happy ending, do you think a tip of $60-80 is too much? I know if you're just going for the handjob, $140 total seems like a lot. But I can imagine going for a good massage, getting some excitment and relief in the process, and wanting to tip $80. On the other hand, if *all* I want is a quickie, then fast house pricing would seem more appropriate.
Am interested in what people think![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spaz2580;2588381]Boston area - 40 standard tip, 50-60 if you can roam otc or utc. 80-100 for CBJ or FS or BBBJ sometimes if your lucky.
As usual YMMV for the tips they ask.
I see a lot of craiglist ads that show $45 for the hour massage? That's cheap. In Boston it cost $40 for half hour.[/QUOTE]Good point to differentiate between different service. The tips I'm used to are more expensive:
60 (on top of an hour fee) for a good massage but only otc roaming (never been to a place where there's no roaming at all).
80 for clothes off and roaming (and fiv, or something like it).
100 BJ.
120 FS.
But if I've been overpaying in NYC I'd like to hear where people tipped less!
Copied and pasted for your edification:
"Here is the method I use if going to TOFTT at a new place Be a Man respect your money so the next monger can also be respected. Do not get undressed until negotiations are complete. (But if they don't ask for money ahead then great just proceed) Show them with actions they need YOU not the other way around. As a customer your main power is in the ability to decline services:
1) For a New Place: Choose the SHORTEST time option ask how much. If they say $40/ hr 1/2 hour in Queens it is at least HE. If they say $30 or lower it's likely legit. Adjust expectations accordingly.
2) Now if they say "No Half Hour" and demand $60 all-in for 1 hour, you make sure you get the girl you want and you make sure you get FS. If they say no or catch an attitude then LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. There is no point in paying for the full hour at place where you only get HE and you know the massage will be crap and they will rush you out after 30 min. Here is why:
The Math (Average Queens Prices, may vary by locale):
Option A: $100 HJ (60 house + 40 tip) 1 hour.
Option be: $80 HJ (40 house + 40 tip) 1/2 hour.
Option see: $65 HJ (45 house + 20 tip) This is what I pay outside of Flushing with my converted legit option. (I have also taken the 1/2 hour option and paid $50 in total.).
Option the: Flushing Only - $50 HJ ($30 house + 20 tip) 1 hour.
Long story short: Why would you pay more for the same result? Oh and don't allow them to up-sell you on additional cost for UTC / Roaming especially in Flushing. It's BS and a scam tactic!
For the BJ (Bo Jackson) fans: I don't like BJs because it is gray area where they try to milk more tips to do everything BUT take it in their hooter. A lot of times the price structure has it priced only 20 less than FS but 40 more than HJ. The Math doesn't make sense because they will charge you 80 tip for a BJ at some places where for the same 80 you could 2 BJ sessions at a fast house that are likely better quality. You might as well just get FS at AMP because it will include BJ to get junior ready anyway. If not, you should really just goto a fast house where you get the best ROI for BJs. Even if we are talking flushing and say you can get a good price: 40 house + 60 for BJ. It is not worth it comparatively unless you get an ACTUALLY GOOD THERAPEUTIC massage. If you can, more power to you. But I would not attempt this negotiation at a place you have not been before.
FS is far simpler and runs from about 80 quick to 120 for 45 min. You should not be paying more than 120 for FS in Flushing. If you are there is a problem. It is a hassle but you need to get your legit massage elsewhere and then get FS after. I learned this best practice after about a year into mongering. You get enhanced blood flow from an actually good therapeutic massage and now it's time for jimmy to get to work he is ready as soon as the ST begins at your clearly HE / FS place. Your total expenditure for the night should not be more than $200 for a GREAT massage and at least GOOD FS. Become an expert you can get it even lower than that. Set it up to visit places within a few blocks of each other. In Flushing it's possible.
3) Now if you get past this point and she begins the ST and it sucks etc. Or if the massage is extremely bad (talking lower than 4/10) then you need to LEAVE and get NO EXTRAS period. Cut your losses. If she can't even do a half hearted (5/10) massage what makes you think her other techniques will be good? There is a good chance it will suck. If you are at a FS place and you think it will suck, give her NO tip if it's less than 5 minutes in, and ask for the house money back. If after it already began, negotiate to get the 1/2 house fee back and give her 20 tip if you haven't slid the jimmy in, and 40 if you have. 9 out of 10 times this action alone of showing balls will have them eager to give you to another girl to recoup the potential loss money. A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
These chicks are asking for tip upfront, you better had be confirming available services up front. Also see if you can haggle down based on the conditions of the place. If the place has no A / see and looks like a rat's den, when you are moving to leave if they say "wait hold on" or whatever say you want $10 off because "very dirty". This is a psychological tactic if it's a slow day it will work.
Here's also what helps me avoid unnecessary bad experiences:
1) As mentioned above Specialization. Go to legit only and afterwards go to a clearly HE or FS place (whichever you prefer). The legit place will relax you and then if you goto a place that is clearly offering more that is the least amount of negotiation and stress. Everybody wins nobody gets disappointed.
2) If you want to take a risk and TOFTT have a drink beforehand to relax you so they don't think you are LE. As some guys seem to have that issue which leads to no extras (but not more than 2 servings please) and please don't be afraid to say NO and just LEAVE. I think you guys are letting these ladies push you around and turn you upside down and empty your wallets. Don't you have enough of your GF or Wife doing that at home?
3) For the guys who want YOUNG girls only. If not young DO NOT COMPROMISE JUST LEAVE. It will never get better during the session. Also DO NOT expect FS from a girl under 30 period in an official AMP establishment. They feel too entitled to give it up, unless it's a straight up 120 buck place (not a storefront AMP) you're not guaranteed it AT ALL. PERIOD. The $120 places are the only places you are 100% guaranteed it and remember it's not 1 hour it's 45 minutes (if that). LITTLE TO NO MASSAGE.
4) Now if you don't care about age but you prefer good service at a great price that is easier. Be a repeat customer at a "questionable" place where you like the massage. Get in good with the Mama-san and you will get what you need. When you have the Mama-san on your side almost ANYTHING is possible. But it takes time and loyalty. ".
TerilusKong just posted some important info for the new guys.
I know he copied and pasted it but still. That was really resourceful.
STOP OVERPAYING.
These women are asking a lot of money for substandard service. I haven't been to a KMP or AMP in awhile because it's just not freakin' worth it, I usually leave disappointed.
Exactly you are not getting top notch service. Basically you are getting serviced by a girl who is probably here against her will and was exploited by the mamasan and her handlers. Not every client is too big when he is about to enter the love cave LOL.
[QUOTE=GTrac;2592171]Exactly you are not getting top notch service. Basically you are getting serviced by a girl who is probably here against her will and was exploited by the mamasan and her handlers. Not every client is too big when he is about to enter the love cave LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's pathetic and I'm fed up!
This year has been terrible so far.
I find myself going to these places and never walking in anymore. Extremely disappointing. At least give me a good freakin' massage.
Last time I went to Kiss Kiss Pop in midtown, one of the better K-Spa's in the city, I got massaged by girl who put me through so much pain during the massage that I walked out before the flip. Then when I'm leaving she is giving me a hard time because she's not making any money as if she doesn't know that she sucks. To top it off the following day I woke up in so much pain I was taking ibuprofen to get through the day.
After that experience I'm done being taken advantage of. It literally confirmed everything I've been feeling already.
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Last time I went to Kiss Kiss Pop in midtown, one of the better K-Spa's in the city, I got massaged by girl who put me through so much pain during the massage that I walked out before the flip. Then when I'm leaving she is giving me a hard time because she's not making any money as if she doesn't know that she sucks. To top it off the following day I woke up in so much pain I was taking ibuprofen to get through the day.
[/QUOTE]You don't go o McDonald's to eat a steak so why would you go to Korean Spas to get a good quality, therapeutic massage? Everyone knows that quality of massage itself varies greatly across spas and girls that work there so why bother if you know yo uwant really good stuff. To be honest I kind of wonder what is the point of existence for those spots that do not provide FS. I mean, if they give shitty massage and noting extra on the other hand then they hardly have anything to offer.
[QUOTE=Onic123;2592701]Yeah it's pathetic and I'm fed up!
This year has been terrible so far.
I find myself going to these places and never walking in anymore. Extremely disappointing. At least give me a good freakin' massage.
Last time I went to Kiss Kiss Pop in midtown, one of the better K-Spa's in the city, I got massaged by girl who put me through so much pain during the massage that I walked out before the flip. Then when I'm leaving she is giving me a hard time because she's not making any money as if she doesn't know that she sucks. To top it off the following day I woke up in so much pain I was taking ibuprofen to get through the day.
After that experience I'm done being taken advantage of. It literally confirmed everything I've been feeling already.[/QUOTE]Market is pretty bad lately did not know Midtown sucked too. I have been sticking to fast house and cheaper legit options.
How much is FS in Hempstead?
[QUOTE=GTrac;2592171] Basically you are getting serviced by a girl who is probably here against her will and was exploited by the mamasan and her handlers [/QUOTE]Have you ever KNOWN this to happen in a K AMP? Have you ever even read a news report that included anything other than anecdotal references to it happening?
[QUOTE=TerilusKong;2595132]Market is pretty bad lately did not know Midtown sucked too. I have been sticking to fast house and cheaper legit options.[/QUOTE]YMMV but these are my conclusions.
[QUOTE=FlyDangler;2599557]Have you ever KNOWN this to happen in a K AMP? Have you ever even read a news report that included anything other than anecdotal references to it happening?[/QUOTE]Some of them seem like they're alright with everything, but other AMP girls don't. I really don't know how these girls get treated, but, see'Mon., it's an underground business. It isn't rainbows and candy.
Found this place on BP a couple of days ago and checked it out. Not great, but also not terrible. Massage was 40 for HH and then an extra 60 for a HJ, so 100 all said and done. The massage was a bit rough, as would be expected for the price, but the rest was very pleasant. The place looks incredibly inconspicuous and the door is locked, so try to open in and then wait a minute for someone to answer.
[URL]http://queens.backpage.com/BodyRubs/young-japan-girls-open-24hr-low-price-table-shower-45-new-hot-body-girlscome-to-us/59859166[/URL]
I have seen mixed reviews from here. On there ad they have a VIP 120. Is that FS or HJ only.