Massage Parlor Reports

Negotiations are sometimes an integral part of the AMP experience. Not necessarily pleasant, but to be expected. And I keep various amounts of money in various pockets, so that rather than pulling out a wad with everything that I have on display, and them wanting all of it, I can pull out various amounts as necessary while not necessarily showing everything that I have and tempting them to get greedy.

But this thing about them going through your pants pockets, that is simply unacceptable. At no point, and for no reason whatsoever, do they have any right to start rummaging through your pants pockets...at all. And in truth, I'm not even happy about them picking up my pants and holding them out to me as an indicator that they want or need more. If this is what's happening, then I can only imagine what is going on while one is in the sauna or getting a table shower.

I've been there exactly once, and had Bebe, and was satisfied with her service. It was a little pricey, but I deemed it satisfactory. But these multiple reports of pants being gone through, that makes me very nervous and unhappy indeed.

I had Bebe hand me my pants at Aloha after asking "Want play time?"

I wasn't particularly happy about it, but I didn't think it was a big deal.

On another note, visited Spring and had a nice time with Bonnie. Service was essentially the same as at Pine Tree, but less expensive and a bit less attractive.

[QUOTE=Travelrr 433]Amperage:

His report is right on and Bebe went through my pants to find $40 .Never bring more than you want to loose to these swindlers and con jobs!

YMMV but bored and tired is bored and tired!

Travelrr[/QUOTE]

Wow! I don't get this at all. I have been a regular there since the Four Seasons shut down, and I have never had anything like this happen. While the providers can be irregular in quality, as I have previously posted, two of my three ATFs hail from the Aloha.

I am not sure if my frequent flier miles buy me more latitude, but I have always felt safe and secure there, and have never been given the hustle by any of the ladies. There are negotiations at times, but seldom uncomfortable. Mamasan Sugie runs a tight ship, and a good number of girls are never asked back for various reasons. I have to believe that if she were made aware of this bs, that Bebe would not return.

I had a session with Bebe several months ago. It was only average, but it was not in any way unpleasant. In fact, she was quite comfortable, with a good personality and communicative. Guess this only further proves that YMMV.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I hope it is not a sign of things going downhill. I have not been there in a month or so as I have been to other establishments, so my info is a little old. However, it's hard to believe it could all go bad so fast.

A buddy of mine I saw tonight just saw at the bar told me he saw Bebe 2 weeks ago and she said $$ and he gave her half and was fine with it. He had a great time and nothing like what was said happened. So Im confused myself.
Im wondering if she had a bad day or they are hurting for cash. Who knows it could be anything these days.
I guess we just need to keep this issue updated. Im gonna get some more feedback from a few guys I know go there and see if they have had issues lately.

Happy Hunting..


[QUOTE=Jaws Iii]Wow! I don't get this at all. I have been a regular there since the Four Seasons shut down, and I have never had anything like this happen. While the providers can be irregular in quality, as I have previously posted, two of my three ATFs hail from the Aloha.

I am not sure if my frequent flier miles buy me more latitude, but I have always felt safe and secure there, and have never been given the hustle by any of the ladies. There are negotiations at times, but seldom uncomfortable. Mamasan Sugie runs a tight ship, and a good number of girls are never asked back for various reasons. I have to believe that if she were made aware of this bs, that Bebe would not return.

I had a session with Bebe several months ago. It was only average, but it was not in any way unpleasant. In fact, she was quite comfortable, with a good personality and communicative. Guess this only further proves that YMMV.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I hope it is not a sign of things going downhill. I have not been there in a month or so as I have been to other establishments, so my info is a little old. However, it's hard to believe it could all go bad so fast.[/QUOTE]

I wanted to clarify my recent experience at Aloha. Bebe handed me my pants. She did not stick her hands in my pockets (that I saw). I only take what cash I think I need.

$$ is a little steep for what I experienced with bebe. I decide how far I want to go and how much $ I will spend by how good the massage is. I can't see a crappy massage leading to a great f**k. I am not hideous and I am always polite. Maybe bebe was having a bad day, maybe business is a little slow. What I experienced was no way to get repeat business.

Guys, please do not pay before services rendered. I have been guilty of this twice in my adventures and it is the fastest way to an unsatisfactory session.

I had a similar experience, but never at Aloha. I was at the Japanese Spa on Kennedy in Tampa. I had taken a little extra in with me because I had a favorite there and wanted to tip a little more this time. However, when I came back from the TS, there was a 20 missing from my pants pocket. I know it wasn't my favorite because she was there with me at all times. I can only assume that someone else slipped in and went through my pockets or, saint's forbid, I didn't take as much in as I thought I did. I have never had that problem there before or since, and frankly have never had that problem at any other AMP I visited in this or any other state. Of course, if a provider has a jones for gambling and lost big time the night before then I guess there's always the possibility that one could be a little desperate.

Most of the time these AMPs have a small vinyl or plastic pouch in the room for you to put your valuables in and take with you into the shower. I always use that so I don't have to worry about getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=Amperage]Guys, please do not pay before services rendered. I have been guilty of this twice in my adventures and it is the fastest way to an unsatisfactory session.[/QUOTE]

Amp,

Are you talking about not paying the tip before the massage starts or not paying the tip until the deed is done? My experience is that the tip is usually required prior to the ending (e.g. no tip = no HE or better) unless you are a long time repeat customer. If you know any way around this, please share. Thanks.

CB

My personal knowledge of this is half now half later method. Show them the total amount and give half and wait to give the other half if your satisfied. If not then she gets half the amount thats it. She gets paid when the job is complete. If she doesnt like the terms then adios. If they are straight up its ok if not then so be it I leave. I have really never had any issues with this method. It is the easiest way for me not to get burned.

Hope that helps.

Happy Hunting..


[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]Amp,

Are you talking about not paying the tip before the massage starts or not paying the tip until the deed is done? My experience is that the tip is usually required prior to the ending (e.g. no tip = no HE or better) unless you are a long time repeat customer. If you know any way around this, please share. Thanks.

CB[/QUOTE]

Rarely do I have to negotiate anyting. I will get a whisper in the ear "you take care of me? " I say yes, and we are off to the races. Sometimes with a new girl they will ask how much.

I pay $40 for HJ

Up to 100 for fs.

Smetimes I pay more if warranted, I have left a twenty for crappy service but have never stiffed anyone, although I have been tempted to leave without a release and therfore no tip a few times. If service is that bad, I will say something to mamasan and try to get a free trip next time. This has worked at bt and pt. (but you have to return within a few days not weeks to collect.)

A lot of times no money is even mentioned and I just leave an appropriate amount on the table and the girl rarely counts it or even looks at it before escorting me out.

Your experience may vary.

[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]Amp,

Are you talking about not paying the tip before the massage starts or not paying the tip until the deed is done? My experience is that the tip is usually required prior to the ending (e.g. no tip = no HE or better) unless you are a long time repeat customer. If you know any way around this, please share. Thanks.

CB[/QUOTE]

I have seldom found prepaying to be necessary, even as a newbie. A couple of times I put money on the table prior to any action as per request of the provider, but that has to be less than 5% of the time, including places new to me. It has in all honesty not been an issue. I guess I must look like a trustworthy guy.

Also, I almost never take my wallet or money with me to the shower. I am beginning to believe that may have been a mistake, even though I have never been short even a penny. Identity may be an issue.

Second visit to Spring was not as invigorating as first.

American girl provided mediocre massage, but it did relieve my stress.

Let's be careful out there!

I use to always put the tip on the table before any massage started. After being upsold a few times, I no longer do this. When it comes time for negotiations, I tell them that I will tip after services are rendered. If they *****, I ask them if they've ever tipped a waitress before you got your meal. I tell them that I paid a door fee (1/2 hr or hour) and I expect the services that come with that fee. And when my time is up, I'll leave. That's when the attitude changes. And I've had some great sessions.

[QUOTE=Peterpiper52]I use to always put the tip on the table before any massage started. After being upsold a few times, I no longer do this. When it comes time for negotiations, I tell them that I will tip after services are rendered. If they *****, I ask them if they've ever tipped a waitress before you got your meal. I tell them that I paid a door fee (1/2 hr or hour) and I expect the services that come with that fee. And when my time is up, I'll leave. That's when the attitude changes. And I've had some great sessions.[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting analogy but tipping for a set level of service and tipping for a range of extra services are not exactly the same thing. At a restaurant tipping is based on a percentile of your bill based on the quality of service, not based on a menu of service choices the waitress will provide. "Excuse me waitress would you please spoon feed me and cut my steak? By the way is this extra?"

I'd say it is more like going to a car wash where you have a list of options from basic wash to ultimate, each with its own price. In the case of AMPs some providers will quote prices upfront which can often be negotiated. I prefer the Osaka model of old where price was never mentioned and tipping was based on a fairly well known price structure.

Of course some cheapskates tip waitresses only $1 on a $40 meal or don't leave a tip at all. And just like the guy who stiffs an AMP provider I wouldn't want to be the cheapskate on a return visit to that restaurant. You might find more than you bargained for in your beef stew.

Bottom line is that your $60 or $80 buys you a 1/2 hour or hour massage, that's it. Everything else is an add on whether expected or not.

[QUOTE=EyeLuvMassage]That's an interesting analogy but tipping for a set level of service and tipping for a range of extra services are not exactly the same thing. At a restaurant tipping is based on a percentile of your bill based on the quality of service, not based on a menu of service choices the waitress will provide. "Excuse me waitress would you please spoon feed me and cut my steak? By the way is this extra?"

I'd say it is more like going to a car wash where you have a list of options from basic wash to ultimate, each with its own price. In the case of AMPs some providers will quote prices upfront which can often be negotiated. I prefer the Osaka model of old where price was never mentioned and tipping was based on a fairly well known price structure.

Of course some cheapskates tip waitresses only $1 on a $40 meal or don't leave a tip at all. And just like the guy who stiffs an AMP provider I wouldn't want to be the cheapskate on a return visit to that restaurant. You might find more than you bargained for in your beef stew.

Bottom line is that your $60 or $80 buys you a 1/2 hour or hour massage, that's it. Everything else is an add on whether expected or not.[/QUOTE]


You bring a whole new meaning to the term "anal"