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I went there today after reading reports on here. Because it's my usual hangout.
Asked mamasan not to bring nicole after her bad review on here. She tells me they don't have a nicole here.
So I'm curious did you get the right place, or right name?
Because I ended up having a good time as always
Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.
[QUOTE=Yardape08;1135258]Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.[/QUOTE]Glad you had a visual on Ruby would like to go backl and see her. Had great time with her
[QUOTE=Yardape08;1135258]Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.[/QUOTE]Glad to see a decent report and a girl worth while there now. I see you reported seeing Ruby there, I was told by Sophia that she was leaving on Friday but once again I seem to have been given wrong information! I think Sophia does that to me if the girl I ask for is busy in an attempt to get me to go with someone else! She should know by now what my preferences are. I think it might be time for me to take a break from 1021 and let things settle down.
Other then OS can anyone recommend a nice quiet Spa with some girls that are open to a nice GFE time?
[QUOTE=Muffythediver;1135320]Glad to see a decent report and a girl worth while there now. .....Other then OS can anyone recommend a nice quiet Spa with some girls that are open to a nice GFE time?[/QUOTE]Hey Muffy. I used to go to Downtown all the time before I settled on 1021. But I also have had some not great visits lately. I have been thinking about revisiting DT.
I saw a few recent reviews on DT. I think my next spa visit just might be DT. It will be nice to see the new location also..
Have fun.
Tony. :)
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer; 1135153]Recent vist called ahead asking for new girl "Coco". Mamasan for some reason seemed to hedge and was not sure if they had such a girl. I showed up and was in waiting room and saw this absolutely stunning girl walk by. I'm usually aware of what super hot girls are around, so I figure that must be her. Ok, Coco, turns out to be "Heidi" from Bali. I have a detailed report on her on Dec 13th under the super hottie listings. I; ve been with her 4 times previously.
This time indicated 24 yrs / old. Full level 9 level looks (as Yankee accurately described several days back) looks like a cover girl model. 5 ft 3, 106 or so, tanned mid chocolate tone, very very stunning. Top 3 at Foxy for sure. At maybe 5 ft 5 no problem as an NFL cheerleader (ok augmentation needed) too) Ann Margaret cat eyes and a touch of Natalie Wood. Non-smoker too, As I said before the only problem I have is is sometimes I need more height and ultra long legs like 5 ft 7 Jackie or 5 ft 9 Ivy of 5 ft 7 Lucy, all super model looks too, and incredible length on the legs for those 3, and this girl is (strict rules) no GFE no matter how many $$ you dump on her. Sort of like Julie that way, but better personality than Julie.
Today she did at least present me the option for a full GFE session, BUT I would have to commit right there and then to an SD (take me out of the business) arrangement. (PM for details) LOL, anyone get that offer? Instead I suggested increasing by 50 bucks the prepaid already large tip amount. She said no, commit to the proposed deal, or its no GFE. Crazy but true. So it was a strict rules session. IMHO her business must be off, lest she wouldn't be pitching deals, and I had been pitched a few times before by her, but not this specific. Remember I had very very hot Nicole and Yumi ready for full GFE available with short notice. Coco is very nice though, I have to admit.
Overall great spa girl, I can recommend to anyone despite no GFE option. If she hangs around at OS, she's a nice addition. Hope she gets alot of business. [/QUOTE]This same report got into the Stripclubs forum (probably by accident). I wouldn't offer her increases as that is just driving up the cost of doing business. Her SD (separate deal?) doesn't sound good. You were wise to refuse.
Took a trip to 1021 last night and it looks like the lineup has improved greatly. Ruby, Sandi and Cherry. I had a great visit. That Sandi has a hot body, I love the little mini skirts she wears with nothing under them. I don't know about you guys but it turns me on to do some exploration with my hands and find no thong or panties.
No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices.
Here's the proof, I did 3 sessions with (new) Jackie, all at my usual overpay price. Would have done more, but got sidetracked with Nicole, Yumi, and (new) Bonnie. However, Jackie told me on session 3 that some customers still paid her as low as 60 plus 100 and 60 and 120 for FS, in recent days or weeks. This is top end premium girl, and my overpay had no impact on what she would accept. I happen to value GFE, because w / o it, the entire session seems very unnatural to me, so I'm willing to risk an upfront tip with all OS girls, or a few select girls elsewhere. Even though with some girls like (New) Bonnie or Julie a few months back, or even Ivy last summer. It doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer; 1135641]No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices.
Here's the proof, I did 3 sessions with (new) Jackie, all at my usual overpay price. Would have done more, but got sidetracked with Nicole, Yumi, and (new) Bonnie. However, Jackie told me on session 3 that some customers still paid her as low as 60 plus 100 and 60 and 120 for FS, in recent days or weeks. This is top end premium girl, and my overpay had no impact on what she would accept. I happen to value GFE, because w / o it, the entire session seems very unnatural to me, so I'm willing to risk an upfront tip with all OS girls, or a few select girls elsewhere. Even though with some girls like (New) Bonnie or Julie a few months back, or even Ivy last summer. It doesn't work. [/QUOTE]I know this has been asked a thousand times here, but how does one define GFE? For me, it means like my girlfriend, who never uses a condom for a blow job and french kisses. I have been to OS a dozen time, and only once had a girl who fit this definition. And, I have offered extra compensation on several occasions.
Have things changed there? Is GFE (by my standards) actually available?
GFE can be used 2 major ways.
In AMPs I use it referring to GFE (heavy kissing)
Now with escorts I believe it more often, though not exclusively, isused referring to BOTH heavy kissing and BBBJs.
As you may already know heavy kissing for spa girls is not common. As has been posted, its a Korean culture thing. I've guesstimated it at 5% for a random avg customer at a random FS spa locally. With a large upfront tip it goes to approx 10. Now if you are a heavy spender. And a possible repeat (in one rotation for one girl) buyer. At one particular spa, and also a large upfront tipper, odds go to 30 to 50% that the girl will go GFE, and the looks of the girl have no impact, sometimes ultra beautiful girls offer GFE and sometimes more avg girls don't.
The fact that spa girls make such a big deal out of heavy kissing, is exactly what makes it so enticing sometimes.
[QUOTE=Forest; 1135921]I know this has been asked a thousand times here, but how does one define GFE? For me, it means like my girlfriend, who never uses a condom for a blow job and french kisses. I have been to OS a dozen time, and only once had a girl who fit this definition. And, I have offered extra compensation on several occasions.
Have things changed there? Is GFE (by my standards) actually available?[/QUOTE]How many you have that JUST french kiss you?
[QUOTE=Tomkat4848;1135544]Her SD (separate deal?) doesn't sound good. You were wise to refuse.[/QUOTE]SD=Sugar Daddy. She wants to be his mistress (except for whoever she has visit her that he doesn't know about) , have him pay her rent, all that. $$$$
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer;1136050]How many you have that JUST french kiss you?[/QUOTE]GFE can mean many things and each guy will have his own definition of what it means. I think GFE can be as little as some DFK to an extreme GFE which would mean BBBJ, DATY, DFK and even more! I won't get into specifics about what more could be but trust me that more is available in some instances to the "Right" guy!
OffShore. I respect your comments here and you seem to have a good feel for the workings of these girls and AMPs but I totally disagree with your theory of having to always increase the "Gift" to gain more access! I have been doing this a long long time and trust me when I tell you I do get GFE 95% of the time without ever giving any extra. I guess there are two ways you can attempt to get closer to these girls, one is to just feed them cash and the other is to take the time to get to know a girl, show her respect, present yourself as a complete gentleman, and have some form of cleanliness and appeal to these girls. My way takes much more work, but I find it so much more rewarding then just pumping out $50's to a girl who could care less about you. GFE to me means that the girl has some true feelings and is attracted to you also and truthfully turned on by your time together. You will never get beyond an act from these girls by just tossing some extra cash her way, sure the act gets a bit better but its still an act. If you ever get beyond the act you will know it for sure. Trust me! These girls get nailed all day long by guys who think they are God's gift, all these girls have a protective barrier and a polished act to get them through the hour and reap the benefits! For me breaking through that barrier is the true challenge.
I do think all this talk of "Extra" tipping may lead to higher rates as these girls do start to expect more. I won't go to OS because of the upsell, even with the beauty queens roaming the halls! I would rather go to an small volume AMP with just average girls who may be more willing to give a true GFE visit! For me even the average Korean girls are beautiful!
Muffy
Hi Guy's, I tend to agree with MuffD. No offense intended to Offshore or anyone else here. I have been frequenting the same spa for a while and have built relationships with Mamason and a few of my favorites. Building these relationships has also extended out to other shortimers that come to work at the spa because the other girls pass the word on that I am not only a good customer but also a good person. All of my visits are GFE and I have paid the same tip everytime I go visit, now sometimes I do bring gifts but nothing expensive. I will bring fruit or vegatables from the garden etc although at Christmas I did drop some cash on a gift for mama and my fav. Bottom line is that giving respect, being unassuming and letting the girls know that you care will go a long way. I have been lucky enough to build such good relationships that I been invited into their homes back in NYC and I have accepted these invites and been treated great not to mention that I have recieved GFE experiences while I have been there and not asked for a dime and I got the feeling if I did offer money it would have been taken as an insult. I am actually hoping that one of my ATF's will be vacationing with me in FL in the very near future.
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer;1135641]No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices..[/QUOTE]By throwing extra cash at these girls, and especially in the form of a PRE tip, will undoubtably result in less service, both in time & quality, for the rest of us. If a girl knows her tip will be substantially less than what she receives from you why would she even want to give good service for less tip?
As far as OS goes, for me it doesn't matter too much, as I will only go there if I think things have changed (upselling & shorting on time ). After not going there for over a year I went a few weeks ago just to see if things improved, which they haven't. I paid for an hour & got 40 min. As much as I like Cece (Heidi) I'm through with OS. All I can say is I hope you don't venture out from OS and poison the other spas.
As far as GFE, I have had many terrific times with DFK, LFK, & offers of BBBJ, and not by throwing extra money out, but instead by being pleasant, respectful, clean, well groomed & friendly.
Actually a tip is something given in "return" for service. When it is expected upfront it is something entirely different and when asked "how much you tip?" will eventually get the spa in trouble & shut down.
Sorry for the rant, just couldn't help giving my $.02.