Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Called Shelly V three times no answer no get back. Left a voice mail NOTHING Then contacted Cami the spinner in Ky No answer no get back. Then tried Jenna of Dayton no answer which is highly unusual for her and also tried KKink with no answer also unusual for these two. Ladies this is a business Even the courtesy of a response or a simple no interest fine. Left my screen name for contact with first two and a brief description with the later of having contacted before. Either business is off the charts or business acumen of the first two is much to be desired. These are not argumentative comments but merely contact descriptions of non responses. A simple explanation would suffice. Sorry for the semi rant but this goes on too much yet guys keep asking about them Why reward poor responses Too many to worry about a few but it is good to know about the few who do not respond. As I said very unusual for JofDayton and KK. They are usually fun ladies who will help you take a load off your stress level. The other two need work.

Thanks for keeping it real Enrico. I have been burnt before by misleading reviews like the one you state from DR. It may be all real for him but our reality is different. So my conclusion, I know what to expect when I read DR's reviews.

[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,

Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]

Is it just me or do some of the reviews in the Classified section seem like overhyped ads? I have seen some of the girls mentioned and I am wondering if they are referring to the same person. Not that I am complaining about anyone's performance, but if some of these girls are that gorgeous and have great personalities, etc. , why are they doing tricks for 100/ hhr? I guess I can understand the hype if there's a discount involved.

That around here, [B]"full figured"[/B] is [I]usually[/I] code for [B]"fucking fat, but I can only live with myself if I say something else."[/B].

[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,

Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]

I don't think DR misled anyone in his review; he mentioned full-figure, and that's what it means, there is a little more there than a "spinner."

I also contact Miss Victoria last week via text, and her second message to me back was "I am full-figure," which led me to ask for images, which she supplied. She was pretty open and honest about her figure. And to be honest, that is some people's cup of tea.

But don't blame DR; he left enough info there for you to make an informed decision, and you could have asked her more if you needed it. And I'm sure she would have been happy to comply.

I will add this: when I arrived to meet Miss Victoria, an issue came up where she had unexpected company at her apartment (shit happens); she was very open and told me about it; she came out to talk with me about it and I found her her very nice and pleasant. I could absolutely see OTHER providers not give you a heads up until you are in the living room or with your pants down, and then what do you do? It cost her some cash, but she let me know and we worked on another time. I will give her credit for that.

Overall, your review was pretty mean-spirited on her size; you were forewarned and didn't bother checking with the provider. Your problem, not DR or Miss Victorias.

[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,

Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]

There are many kinds of them Small bbws medium bbws and large. There are guys for all three. Most bbws describe themselves as full figured which means heavy set depending on size / height. The operative lesson is if you don't like BBW's then don't see them or you can do as has been suggested ASK MORE QUESTIONS. If you want to treat a woman with respect think ten times before you call a woman FAT. Many mongers have a paunch but do not consider themselves FAT just PLEASINGLY PLUMP. Same goes for ladiesThe more polite thing would be to say you are not what I am seeking but thanks for being honest. Now that father Pussy Man has given the daily lesson in verbal etiquette, go out and find "SOMEBODY TO LOVE" as Freddie Mercury would say. JMO.

Let's be honest, he has 10 posting and 7 were made in 1 day. Yeah, he's the expert.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2476762]Thank you for those comments. I am glad to see there is still some sanity and objectiveness out there in mongerland.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.

[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.[/QUOTE]My friend, you obviously are a man of morals and compassion, which is why you feel the way you do. I am very much like you, and have fallen into this sexual trap myself over the last couple of years. I haven't partaken in the hobby for over 4 months now, and have made myself a promise to stay out. I try to help those providers I have befriended, but just as a friend. I encourage them to get out of the trap, as they ALL feel trapped in this lifestyle. Most are from badly broken families or from a foster care background. The vast majority have a drug addiction to feed, and most have children who are being raised by a drug addicted prostitute (not the best for the next generation). The best thing you and I can do (and anyone else out there who feels like we do) is to not continue the enableing by paying these women for sex. Besides, LEO is all over this city trying to ruin reputations. I decided I have too much to lose to continue and the best I can do to make up for my past mistakes is to help some of these women break out and get a real life outside the hobby. I commend you for coming to the realization that what we do (or did) is wrong on all fronts. The only "good" thing is a temporary sexual release, and sometimes it's not even that "good"! God bless you, friend!

[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.[/QUOTE]No blow up. But consider this. Why didn't you just drive on over to a fast-food carryout and get her some food before you took her home? AND / OR- if you thought she was honestly broke, open your wallet (or drive to an ATM) and give her an extra $ to get her by for a few days. It seems like you spend that kind of money on people during your "day job. ".

Which means it's not personal. You seem to be taking it personally. If the level of customer service you are getting from these girls bugs you, don't contact them again.

Not trying to be a dick, and I've never contacted those girls you mentioned, but the ones I have almost always reply back. If they don't, I move on and don't get angry about it.

[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2475947]Called Shelly V three times no answer no get back. Left a voice mail NOTHING Then contacted Cami the spinner in Ky No answer no get back. Then tried Jenna of Dayton no answer which is highly unusual for her and also tried KKink with no answer also unusual for these two. Ladies this is a business Even the courtesy of a response or a simple no interest fine. Left my screen name for contact with first two and a brief description with the later of having contacted before. Either business is off the charts or business acumen of the first two is much to be desired. These are not argumentative comments but merely contact descriptions of non responses. A simple explanation would suffice. Sorry for the semi rant but this goes on too much yet guys keep asking about them Why reward poor responses Too many to worry about a few but it is good to know about the few who do not respond. As I said very unusual for JofDayton and KK. They are usually fun ladies who will help you take a load off your stress level. The other two need work.[/QUOTE]

I'd rather not have a review saying someone is gorgeous just because they're inexpensive.

Plus all this shit has some subjectivity anyway. Maybe they weren't the same person for you that they were for the reviewer. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2475989]Is it just me or do some of the reviews in the Classified section seem like overhyped ads? I have seen some of the girls mentioned and I am wondering if they are referring to the same person. Not that I am complaining about anyone's performance, but if some of these girls are that gorgeous and have great personalities, etc. , why are they doing tricks for 100/ hhr? I guess I can understand the hype if there's a discount involved.[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that your stated daytime efforts are in direct conflict with your mongering activities. I mean, really? The nearly exact type of person you're trying to help during the day is the same one you're taking advantage of at night? You aren't a catholic priest are you?

OK, that was little mean. But seriously, maybe this type of activity isn't for you. Or you could stop using broke SW and go for higher end, non-desperate types.

[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.[/QUOTE]Don't get personally involved. Don't fall in love. Don't believe lies. Leave her a nice tip and that's it, period. Don't ever give your name or where you reside. If LE sees you riding around with her even for something philanthropic you got their attention on you. You will open Pandora's Box. Stay safe, JG.

[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.

Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.

Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.

I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?

Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.

Bless you all.

HH.[/QUOTE]If you read the ads of these providers most of them will tell you how much they love what they do, but if you get to really know them they will eventually tell you how much they hate the biz, and are stuck in it for one reason or another. Some providers do truly love the life, but most providers become good actors and you will never know their true dislike for what they're doing. But if you are going to play you have to harden your heart and mind against their situation, otherwise you'll wind up in the poor house, and most likely will not succeed in permanently saving anyone. Be kind to them, treat them with respect, be gentlemanly, but try to keep the relationship within the bounds of a business understanding for your own sake.