"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1987198]There are ways of posting pics without causing harm. Just blot out part of their face or put up pics that don't show the face at all. I agree that more pics would be nice to see. I have posted some they ae much less an invasion of privacy than the pics these gals post with their ads on the sd sites. Just my 2 cents...[/QUOTE]This sounds reasonable until one considers the guy has no right to make a decision that a particular crop is sufficient to mask her identity. To the right friend or family member her dress, what she may be holding in her hand in the context of the background could be an identifier. She is a woman of free will. Even where she has posted the same pic on a SB site she has not consented to have that pic appear on this site. This may be the kind of thing we can't see until it happens to us.

[QUOTE=DogSun;1987524]Although I'm new to the sugar game, one thing I've noticed is that personality is way more important than looks. With an escort, they leave after the sex, so if they are completely dull it's not a big deal. But with a sugar baby, you're going on dates and spending time with them and if the chemistry isn't there you'll regret it. One in particular was very hot, but also very young. We did not click, but I wanted to bang her so bad. After the deed was done I just wanted her out of there, and from that point on I made the decision to let things develop more slowly so that I can be sure I'm attracted to more than just their looks. It definitely adds to the excitement when I know I'm getting to have sex with a woman that I can connect with on at least a somewhat deep level.[/QUOTE]For me its the opposite. I never want to get close to or be friends with some one that isn't a teen hottie or something close to it (and of course there are exceptions). Sorry for being superficial, but for me, looks (especially their body), skills and sexual chemistry are way more important than personality. I have tried it both ways. If I don't start out wanting to bang the fuck out of them, I never will, no matter how much I like them. If they connect with my dick (and not just dick, but MY dick) . Then we are going to be fine. And any issues we have can be worked out. I am not looking to get married here.

Obviously the ideal situation is to have it all. But I don't like waiting and don't have a hundred years left. I say plow through as many babes as possible (no pun intended). A bad date is no big deal. A little awkwardness? So what. One of my old mentors used to say "if you have enough quantity you will find some quality in there". All the girls on my A team were unknown quantities before I met them. And actually there was some lack of personal connection in one way or another with each one. But one thing they all had in common was, that I was positively physically attracted to them from the get go. Over time we got close, and it was their looks, skills (or potential skills then realized) and passion that kept us together long enough to be able to make that happen.

Recently I fucked a pro. She banged, sucked and kissed me like I was her long lost boyfriend. Date # 2. I was a trick. But at least I had one memorable night. Will I see her again. No. But if she could have kept it up, then yes I would see her again (pretend is cool). I want bomb ass sex with 8+ girls as often as possible. Long term or short term. Was it a waste of time? No. Next, next, next.

Here is the pro I had a little crush on. Not anymore. But at least I got her off my to do list. 8/8/8/3.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1987415]Golden Pussy Syndrome...get it.[/QUOTE]Makes sense now!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1987666]For me its the opposite. I never want to get close to or be friends with some one that isn't a teen hottie or something close to it (and of course there are exceptions). Sorry for being superficial, but for me, looks (especially their body), skills and sexual chemistry are way more important than personality. I have tried it both ways. If I don't start out wanting to bang the fuck out of them, I never will, no matter how much I like them. If they connect with my dick (and not just dick, but MY dick) . Then we are going to be fine. And any issues we have can be worked out. I am not looking to get married here.

Obviously the ideal situation is to have it all. But I don't like waiting and don't have a hundred years left. I say plow through as many babes as possible (no pun intended). A bad date is no big deal. A little awkwardness? So what. One of my old mentors used to say "if you have enough quantity you will find some quality in there". All the girls on my A team were unknown quantities before I met them. And actually there was some lack of personal connection in one way or another with each one. But one thing they all had in common was, that I was positively physically attracted to them from the get go. Over time we got close, and it was their looks, skills (or potential skills then realized) and passion that kept us together long enough to be able to make that happen.

Recently I fucked a pro. She banged, sucked and kissed me like I was her long lost boyfriend. Date # 2. I was a trick. But at least I had one memorable night. Will I see her again. No. But if she could have kept it up, then yes I would see her again (pretend is cool). I want bomb ass sex with 8+ girls as often as possible. Long term or short term. Was it a waste of time? No. Next, next, next.[/QUOTE]Well of course this falls under the area of to each his own. But I can tell you I have been with very very beautiful bonifide hot women. And I have been with good looking women that were fun and sexy and interesting to be with and there was no comparison for me. I would prefer as any man does to have a beautiful woman that has it all. But that is indeed rare. Most really beautiful / hot women. Especially if they are American women, are already damaged goods. They are way way overvalued. They have terrible attitudes and give little value. They know they are overvalued and they act that way. They treat everyone around them like this including themselves. Which in turn makes them very needy and at the same time able to get away with anything. A very difficult brew.

There is a funny scene in a so so movie called "Don Jon" where a truly hot woman Scarlett Johanssen, who is playing a hot woman is about to go down on the lead character. And he is dreaming of getting a really great blow job. But then he stops the scene and says to the camera "who am I kidding? Hot women don't need to give great blowjobs." This is the epitome of the hot woman. And the move goes into her very very flawed character quite accurately. So what does this all have to do with our little thread?

Well an expert in sex and sexuality once said the sexiest thing in the world for men is also the same for women. It is to be desired. Look back into your own memories my brothers and tell me. The best blowjob of your life. Was it from a beautiful woman that had good blowjob skills? Or was it from the woman who worshiped your cock like it was the most important thing in the world. That she cherished it with ever lick and suck. Looking at your good with hungry eyes looking at you hoping you were enjoying it as much as she was? Swallowing your cum like it was life water. Now that is some good sex. And at that distance it is hard to even see what she looks like anymore. Now I love beautiful women. I am just saying. Some of the beautiful women I have been with. Especially the young ones. I have a hard time getting and staying hard with them. They are so bad at kissing and so terrible and lifeless at fucking.

So much more to fucking for me. Just my 2 cents.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1988254]Well of course this falls under the area of to each his own. But I can tell you I have been with very very beautiful bonifide hot women. And I have been with good looking women that were fun and sexy and interesting to be with and there was no comparison for me. I would prefer as any man does to have a beautiful woman that has it all. But that is indeed rare. Most really beautiful / hot women. Especially if they are American women, are already damaged goods. They are way way overvalued. They have terrible attitudes and give little value. They know they are overvalued and they act that way. They treat everyone around them like this including themselves. Which in turn makes them very needy and at the same time able to get away with anything. A very difficult brew.

There is a funny scene in a so so movie called "Don Jon" where a truly hot woman Scarlett Johanssen, who is playing a hot woman is about to go down on the lead character. And he is dreaming of getting a really great blow job. But then he stops the scene and says to the camera "who am I kidding? Hot women don't need to give great blowjobs." This is the epitome of the hot woman. And the move goes into her very very flawed character quite accurately. So what does this all have to do with our little thread?

Well an expert in sex and sexuality once said the sexiest thing in the world for men is also the same for women. It is to be desired. Look back into your own memories my brothers and tell me. The best blowjob of your life. Was it from a beautiful woman that had good blowjob skills? Or was it from the woman who worshiped your cock like it was the most important thing in the world. That she cherished it with ever lick and suck. Looking at your good with hungry eyes looking at you hoping you were enjoying it as much as she was? Swallowing your cum like it was life water. Now that is some good sex. And at that distance it is hard to even see what she looks like anymore. Now I love beautiful women. I am just saying. Some of the beautiful women I have been with. Especially the young ones. I have a hard time getting and staying hard with them. They are so bad at kissing and so terrible and lifeless at fucking.

So much more to fucking for me. Just my 2 cents.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't date white girls. None of this is true with black or mixed girls, in my experience. They may refuse my $, but only because they want $ $. And 90% of all the best kissing and BJ's I ever had in my life were from hot looking black, mixed or asian girls. No luck with pure latina girls either... But not from lack of trying. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1988306]This is why I don't date white girls. None of this is true with black or mixed girls, in my experience. They may refuse my $, but only because they want $ $. And 90% of all the best kissing and BJ's I ever had in my life were from hot looking black, mixed or asian girls. No luck with pure latina girls either... But not from lack of trying. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree on the BJ thing. The best blowjob I've ever gotten from a white girl couldn't compare to the worst blowjob I've gotten from a black or mixed chick. Haven't experienced an Asian girl yet unfortunately.

Is skin deep my bros.

I agree that attitude is the most important. My ATF #1 I was madly in love / lust with is actually a little homely when I look back at pics of her many girls later. But She took care of business so very well that I would take her back in a New York minute if she wanted.

The one deal breaker for me is Heavy. I just can not do it. I have had some energetic and adoring SBs over the years who had great skills and attitude, but even chubby turns me off, much less obese.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1988810]Is skin deep my bros.

I agree that attitude is the most important. My ATF #1 I was madly in love / lust with is actually a little homely when I look back at pics of her many girls later. But She took care of business so very well that I would take her back in a New York minute if she wanted.

The one deal breaker for me is Heavy. I just can not do it. I have had some energetic and adoring SBs over the years who had great skills and attitude, but even chubby turns me off, much less obese.[/QUOTE]I hear ya my brother. I could get fat women all day. I am looking for good looking fun, sexy women, that know how to fuck and suck. Chubby is a no go. I have left a few stories out. But I have a no dollar semi attractive one right now I could fuck anytime I want and she has her own place. And is really cool and normal. No crazieness.

But I cannot do it. Just too chubby. Not fat but she has a fat woman inside of her waiting to get out.

Revvo.

I stumbled onto this section of the board back in October and became a convert. I got lucky right off the bat on AF with another newby and had a regular SB all through the fall, a single mom / student living with family. Didn't want cash, wanted me to buy things for the kid, or pay her insurance. She was a screamer and the only problem was when we could not go to her place, finding a motel where I wasn't worried about security showing up in the middle of it. Very interesting. But she graduated, got a good job and I faded away. So in December I tried a Craigslist ad and bingo found this one, a single mom living with family. I have to get a room for her but as you can see, it is worth it. I know there has been some debate about photos, but I am betting her momma can't recognize her from this view, which is what she sends me when she wants to meet. I also have 2 more that should go to FC this week.

Again, thank you.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1987456]None of these three 40 ish MILFs is perfect 10 type hotties. None of them are skinny. But on the other hand. Conversations personalities, humor, level headedness with no Drama is fucking awesome. These women are of such high quality. And none of them would cost me as much as the one 19 YO Tat baby above.

Be careful out there. Revvo.[/QUOTE]I have no problems with women age 35-50 that are in decent condition physically. I am turned off by fat. A little love handle is fine by me. It seems to me that women in this 35-50 age bracket know what they like, know how to move their bodies and willing to put out effort so that both of you can enjoy the Lovemaking session. They have less inhibition than the young ones (18-22) and want to enjoy sex, rather than lay back like a dead fish.

[QUOTE=genuis8;1989575]I have no problems with women age 35-50 that are in decent condition physically. I am turned off by fat. A little love handle is fine by me. It seems to me that women in this 35-50 age bracket know what they like, know how to move their bodies and willing to put out effort so that both of you can enjoy the Lovemaking session. They have less inhibition than the young ones (18-22) and want to enjoy sex, rather than lay back like a dead fish.[/QUOTE]I cannot agree more. This was perfectly put. Now don't get me wrong. This does not mean I am fucking ugly chicks. All of the ones I am describing above are 7's or 8's. But they are just not super hot 19 and 20 year olds. And I have a little update since a couple of days ago. I met with two yesterday.

PuertoRican Tat Baby: She seems to be all in still. And is a little hard to communicate with. She is very friendly. Have not seen her since last week. But she is ready to meet on Friday at her place. I told her I am expecting the royal treatment so we will see how it goes. She has told me things she is doing to mover her schedule around to accommodate me. That is a good thing. So maybe she will improve. I am not holding my breath. Right now she is on the bubble. May have to let her go. We will see. With these other ones competing for a slot.

Sexy Pinup MILF: Wow what a good time. She was awesome in the sack. She is so incredibly sensitive and came hard and often. She came two times before I even fucked her. And then she was begging for my dick. Really really fun to play with. So easy going and we just had a great time. Limited time to play but she is moving out and will have her own place soon. And she is planning to have a nice love nest for us to meet. Oh and she is a screamer. I mean loud. You definitely do know when she is cumming. What a sexy woman. And oh my god the curves. I can see why she does pinup.

Eastern European MILF baby: Met her for dinner. She is very beautiful. I give her a 9/7/9/? . Great conversation lots of fun. Been through a very bad divorce. Which of these women has not? But too much conversation and not enough flirting. I am not sure if she is even ready to move on to the next level now or even later. I don't even know if a slow slow roll will work for her. She did not let me kiss her when I walked her to her car. I will give her a little time but not a lot. Oh and she looks like she may have a fat ass under all of her clothes. Not sure yet. She may be hiding some serious tonnage under her folds. If that is the case. Nice girl but bye bye if she is. She tells me how she works out and she used to be a runner in college. So I am giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Pretty good day overall.

Revvo.

I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!!

[QUOTE=Graham111;1990664]I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!![/QUOTE]No matter how careful we are, it is still a small country! One of mine had a seat right beside us at a concert in RIC (I reported it earlier). I had a cover story with her that she was helping me with a project and she played right along. Warden was non the wiser. RIC is still a small town.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1990664]I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!![/QUOTE]People in the US and you still end up with her on your plane. It's funny but I travel all of the time all over the US and it seems like inevitably I run into someone I know in airports. It has happened many times.

I am really careful about traveling with SBs. I only do it with ones that I really trust and are good partners in crime. I always go to the gate area separate and inspect the area for anyone I know. And many times I fly them out separate as opposed to being on the Same plane.

Love the starfish analogy. I got my own little starfish baby. Report soon to follow.

Revvo.