Escort Reports

This is all relative. We all have our ideas about what these services are worth but at the end if the day we must realize the ones performing the services, in all fairness have the largest say in the matter. Things like "market value" can't really apply here because the service being sold is personal. What would WE expect to suck & fuck strangers all day?? Sure, some girls in desperate situations can be negotiated with and we might think we have all the control but not all providers operate this way and trying to charm your way to a lower rate will get you a very negative response. Typically the girls that will waver on their rate are the ones in desperate situations and are trouble magnets sue to their immaturity and/or lifestyle. Of course high rates don't guarantee better service just as low rates don't mean poor quality but we should not assume that ALL of these ladies are willing to be charmed into a lower rate. If they are good then their phones won't stop ringing even at $500/hr.

[QUOTE=Yellowfever023;1982604]Hi Guy's.

$300 an hour for GFE, and what does GFE mean to her? I have a UTR girl who is 20 years younger with a bangin body who provides full GFE PSE for a lot less! Don't get me wrong I am not knocking Paige Lynn what I am knocking is the rates. I have never even met PL but with a little effort there are plenty of girls who are younger, better looking and provide great service for short money compared to these 3 and 4 hundred dollar an hour girls. What we all tend forget is that if we pay outrageous prices the girls will charge outrageous prices. Like any commodity if there is no demand the price goes down. Have any of you noticed that a lot of the Quincy AMP's are now charging 50 an hour instead of 60, it is supply and demand, a basic fundamental. We are the customers so we should control the market. Do you guy's realize what a lot of girls will do to get there cell phone bill paid or get the latest fashion of jeans and most of them are non pro girls next door? We as consumers of any product be it pussy, milk or bread have to think out of the box (no pun intended) to find the best value for our dollar, I read so many posts here where we over tip and over pay, all this does is hurt the market and keep prices high. My policy is, if you won't provide the service I want at the price I want then I move on to the next because their are so many girls out there that are willing. I have had many of the girls that have been talked about here and not payed the asking price and got elevated service from them. Believe me when their phone does not ring and they are texting and calling you this is an opportunity to lower the rate and raise the service level and the best part is that once you have done this the rate stays low and the service remains high or you move onto the next. Sorry I don't mean to rant but WE have to take control or the prices will go up and up.

P.S. I wish I could share my UTR girl with you all but she does not want to meet anyone else right now so please don't blow up my inbox with requests for her. I will tell you that she is very classy, has done some modeling and has a playboy playmate body.[/QUOTE]

I've been reading these threads for a while and only posted a few times but think I may finally take the plunge and try this. I had a couloir questions I was hoping to get advice on which have been touched on a bit before.

I was thinking about trying a service (goddess maybe) the first time but only but was hesitant about giving a work phone number. Is that only for a reference or would they actually contact you there? My name alone is easy enough to find my profiles online.

"Greek" I doubt I'll ask about this first time but do most girls offer and how big is the up charge usually?

I've considered Luna from goddess or Tara are the people I'm considering. Generally looking for fit to skinny girls. Not really asking for feedback with this part but I thought I'd add it in.

[URL]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/recently-divorced-ready-to-have-fun-you-will-love-my-skillz-specials-28/25279102[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mfp79;1982969]Yeah, Jill is great. Glad I got on board during open enrollment. I've never had a bad experience there. She just tends to have her girls further north than I'm able to get to in a reasonable amount of time, so I don't get to use her service as often as I'd like. I end up using Boston Int'l or Independents instead. It's too bad hotel prices are through the roof closer to the city, speaking of out of control pricing..[/QUOTE]I was a regular back a few years ago and Jill never failed with her recommendation and woman. I was trying to get back in but she did not recognize my phone number. I gave her just about every number (but my home) to get back in. No go. I respect it though. I hope she has another open enrollment because I will be back in a heart beat.

Dick.

Good info brother. I am new to the hobby and any leads to creative finding of UTR ladies would be appreciated. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Yardape08;1982864]YF is as unselfish as they come when it comes to sharing finds. He understands how the hobby works and I have learned a lot from him. In the case of the UTR girl in question there are extenuating circumstances with her which prohibit expanding her availability. He has always willingly shared his UTR finds without ever asking for trade or anything in return.

I think what he is trying to say is there is a virtual treasure trove of girls virtually untapped lurking just outside the normal boundaries and hunting grounds of this hobby. And this new generation of girls thinks nothing of engaging in pay for play at extraordinarily low rates just to take care of a few personal loose ends. If I could tell you the number of offers to trade sex for the payment of modest cell phone bills it would amaze you. And the vast majority of this tier of girls offers the very highest level of GFE services including overnights for minimal cost. And most of these girls are not drug addicts as some may suspect. They are normal young girls who you meet in everyday life.

As YF said all it takes is a little extra effort and creativity and also as he stated the beauty is once the connection is established more often than not the girl ends up calling you again and the rate can usually be dropped even further. It reminds me of that Lending Tree commercial about bank loans where the roles are reversed and the bank informed they aren't in charge of the decision. After all we are the customers and I think too often in this hobby we let the girls think they are the ones doing us a favor. It is important to remind them that we always have other options and personally I always convey to them my high level of expectations if they want me to continue to pay for their services.

It is also helpful for hobbyists to work in tandem negotiating with the same girl simultaneously unbeknownst to her. It increases our leverage while letting her know at the same time if the rate isn't lowered or the service level expanded we are ready to bolt and seek out someone else. I am always prepared to walk and have in fact "fired" many regular girls I have had. And I use this term for a reason. I am employing them and make sure they are reminded where their added income stream is coming from. Now this is all accomplished in a dignified fashion without being rude. It is business plain and simple. I always negotiate a better rate whenever I can.

I hate reading here comments such as "this is the market rate". We control this market as we are the buyers and there are plenty of girls to go around. And of course I in turn always try and act like a complete gentleman and treat them like a lady when I am in their presence but the prelude to this is business oriented and it is important for us to remember that and have our business hats on I.e. "Big Head" overruling "Little Head". It's all about having the proper prudent mindset before we part with our hard earned money. And in my opinion this minimal extra effort not only reaps great rewards but is a lot of fun at the same time.

As a side note I am getting reacquainted tomorrow with one of the girls I fired a couple of months ago. I believe it is a healthy process and our relationship will be better than it was before as we communicate about the problems that soured our relationship. And they were business related. My negotiated rate is $125 for her to join me tomorrow afternoon and stay overnight at my place. She is 20 years old, acts like a real lady and is beautiful with a very nice body-Full on GFE in all areas. The only problem operating under this new business model is there is simply too many girls and not enough time to see them all lol![/QUOTE]

If there is still room, I would like to put my name in the hat.

[QUOTE=BillyPilgrim;1981085]Found a nice young girl who wishes to remain UTR for now. Latina, 21 years old. New to the business. Looking for quality gentlemen only please! No hagglers, cheapskates, or rough stuff. If you have anything less than a stellar reputation on here, don't bother PM'ing me.

200/240 half or hour. No negotiation or haggling over service. Private residence north of Boston.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mfp79;1982908]All good stuff, but for me, because of my situation, I can't host and tend to know that I'm going to have an hour or two free on short notice. The few the non-pros I've got in touch with tend to be flakey as shit, and I end up wasting a lot of time trying to set something up on short notice; then having it fall through or take longer than expected and have to explain my extended absence away...

Because of that, I don't mind paying extra for a pro because they're typically available on short notice and good quality. There can be a high value to time. If you don't have a lot of it, you may be willing to pay more to waste less of it with the drama and spend more of it balls deep in some tight pussy.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to find some highly available non-pros on the cheap, but as much effort as I try to put in, I get very little out of it. I either end up with non-pros from like the other side of Mass, or flakey as I just mentioned. Pointers always welcomed. .[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with this. I found UTRs and non-pros are way cheaper but usually you end up paying in other ways then money. Time-wise, unpredictability-wise, availability-wise and so on and so forth. With a reputable pro: once you're in, it's predictable, easy to set up, they are more punctual, more knowledgeable, versatile and imaginative at their profession and so on. If you have a pool of 3-4 that you like to see, you'd almost always have someone available at the moment's notice.

With UTRs, especially non-pros, it's more like with a girl-friend. There is always some planning involved, their feelings are involved, their "other" lives are involved, their habits often also get in the way. I mean even the Yardape's firing and rehiring to me sounds more like an experience one has with a real girl-friend then a GFE one gets from a provider.

As for intimacy, knowing more about providers you see, sharing and caring and so on and so forth. If that's your thing (and it is mine), many of the higher end pros once they start counting you among their regulars. You'd be surprised how much do they open up. Prices are higher, no doubt, especially for many of those advertising on the other site. With some you can negotiate down and significantly so, with others not much so. Some from the 2nd category can even get upset and even start threatening you if you try to talk money with them (there was one such experience I had with a pro who calls herself, Cassidy Stevens), but most just won't respond back or will respond with a counteroffer.

Many UTR and craigslist girls are warmer, more innocent, and even more eager to become your real live girl-friends but they also are higher risk, have greater tendency to be dependent of their drug of choice, and to be higher maintenance. Many of them are of street quality, then many others have a lot issues too and would've done street but are too afraid of it to go that route. Some escort services draw from such a pool too. They are definitely different in their dispositions and appearances from most of those you'd pay more for. Those who used to drive street circuits though (like me) do get nostalgic of those type of providers from time to time too. That's why I always think: maybe I should go and see Kayli? But then I think again and say 'no, maybe not.'

That's my take, no gospel (I even know some who wouldn't fit into any category that I just described here), just a rule of thumb.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1983533]I tend to agree with this. I found UTRs and non-pros are way cheaper but usually you end up paying in other ways then money. Time-wise, unpredictability-wise, availability-wise and so on and so forth. With a reputable pro: once you're in, it's predictable, easy to set up, they are more punctual, more knowledgeable, versatile and imaginative at their profession and so on. If you have a pool of 3-4 that you like to see, you'd almost always have someone available at the moment's notice.

With UTRs, especially non-pros, it's more like with a girl-friend. There is always some planning involved, their feelings are involved, their "other" lives are involved, their habits often also get in the way. I mean even the Yardape's firing and rehiring to me sounds more like an experience one has with a real girl-friend then a GFE one gets from a provider.

As for intimacy, knowing more about providers you see, sharing and caring and so on and so forth. If that's your thing (and it is mine), many of the higher end pros once they start counting you among their regulars. You'd be surprised how much do they open up. Prices are higher, no doubt, especially for many of those advertising on the other site. With some you can negotiate down and significantly so, with others not much so. Some from the 2nd category can even get upset and even start threatening you if you try to talk money with them (there was one such experience I had with a pro who calls herself, Cassidy Stevens), but most just won't respond back or will respond with a counteroffer.

Many UTR and craigslist girls are warmer, more innocent, and even more eager to become your real live girl-friends but they also are higher risk, have greater tendency to be dependent of their drug of choice, and to be higher maintenance. Many of them are of street quality, then many others have a lot issues too and would've done street but are too afraid of it to go that route. Some escort services draw from such a pool too. They are definitely different in their dispositions and appearances from most of those you'd pay more for. Those who used to drive street circuits though (like me) do get nostalgic of those type of providers from time to time too. That's why I always think: maybe I should go and see Kayli? But then I think again and say 'no, maybe not.'

That's my take, no gospel (I even know some who wouldn't fit into any category that I just described here), just a rule of thumb.[/QUOTE]Although I do agree with most of what you said here, I do have an issue with a pro being dependable. I have on more than couple of occasions set up an appointment with a provider and to travel 30 minutes to a hotel, call the provider for an hour and not get any response and waste all that time.

[QUOTE=Iman2765;1984155]Although I do agree with most of what you said here, I do have an issue with a pro being dependable. I have on more than couple of occasions set up an appointment with a provider and to travel 30 minutes to a hotel, call the provider for an hour and not get any response and waste all that time.[/QUOTE]Again, no gospel. Just a rule of thumb. There are scores of bad pros out there no doubt. But if you see those that already have high rating on the other site chances of her not being dependable decrease dramatically. You'll probably pay double or triple for it that you'd pay if you take greater risk on CLCE or backpage but that's the trade off. It's all in a risk. The lower the risk, the higher the price.

But also more often then not it's among those lower-priced girls and not the higher end ones where you'd find your jewels in the rough too. You may get stood up, robbed, and go through a lot of other misadventures in the process but that's the risk. You know how it is in life: your reward rarely depends on how much work you do but rather on how much risk you take.

[QUOTE=BillyPilgrim;1981085]Found a nice young girl who wishes to remain UTR for now. Latina, 21 years old. New to the business. Looking for quality gentlemen only please! No hagglers, cheapskates, or rough stuff. If you have anything less than a stellar reputation on here, don't bother PM'ing me.

200/240 half or hour. No negotiation or haggling over service. Private residence north of Boston.[/QUOTE]Ask and never receive. Has anyone received any intel yet on this? Or is it a scam?

[QUOTE=ShortStroke;1984194]Ask and never receive. Has anyone received any intel yet on this? Or is it a scam?[/QUOTE]I asked for and received info, but haven't had a chance yet to try her.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1984159]Again, no gospel. Just a rule of thumb. There are scores of bad pros out there no doubt. But if you see those that already have high rating on the other site chances of her not being dependable decrease dramatically. You'll probably pay double or triple for it that you'd pay if you take greater risk on CLCE or backpage but that's the trade off. It's all in a risk. The lower the risk, the higher the price.

But also more often then not it's among those lower-priced girls and not the higher end ones where you'd find your jewels in the rough too. You may get stood up, robbed, and go through a lot of other misadventures in the process but that's the risk. You know how it is in life: your reward rarely depends on how much work you do but rather on how much risk you take.[/QUOTE]Yup just like in a foot ball game, If you decide to blitz the quarter back, you might sack him and end the game, that's the reward, The risk is he might throw a bomb to a wide open reciever for a touchdown, I hate going to pros sometimes because there is no adventure in it, yea you get rewarded but sometimes its just not fun.

[QUOTE=Fluff;1985288]I asked for and received info, but haven't had a chance yet to try her.[/QUOTE]I sent a PM on 011414 and still waiting.

[QUOTE=Altoid123;1983166]This is all relative. We all have our ideas about what these services are worth but at the end if the day we must realize the ones performing the services, in all fairness have the largest say in the matter. Things like "market value" can't really apply here because the service being sold is personal. What would WE expect to suck & fuck strangers all day?? Sure, some girls in desperate situations can be negotiated with and we might think we have all the control but not all providers operate this way and trying to charm your way to a lower rate will get you a very negative response. Typically the girls that will waver on their rate are the ones in desperate situations and are trouble magnets sue to their immaturity and/or lifestyle. Of course high rates don't guarantee better service just as low rates don't mean poor quality but we should not assume that ALL of these ladies are willing to be charmed into a lower rate. If they are good then their phones won't stop ringing even at $500/hr.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy's.

I agree that it is relative but relative is based on the effort that you are willing to put into finding a provider who gives great service at reasonable prices. If you don't want to put in the effort and just accept the dollar value thrown at you that is fine. I do put a little extra effort into finding these girls but it's not a lot of extra effort. The other thing I have is patience, I am not looking for who I am going to meet with tonight I am looking tonight for the girl I am going to meet 2 or 3 weeks from now.

Market value does apply here just as it does elsewhere, pussy is a commodity. Ask any provider and they will tell you they are in business and if they are in business then what they sell is a commodity and the purchase of this commodity is open to negotiation. These women chose the business that they are in and having sex with strangers all day is their business.

As the purchaser of goods or services the buyer is in total control and if negotiating a lower price for these services gets a negative response then move to the next provider, it is just that simple and chances are the level of service you get would not have been good at any price. The saying "I got the Pussy so I make the Rules" does not apply when selling pussy is the business. Providers who will waiver on their rates are the providers who have been asked to do so, the ones who won't have not been asked to.

Maybe we all carry some type of guilt and our feelings keep us from asking a girl to drop her rate and we say things like "these poor girls work hard for this money" or "she is just trying to survive in a bad economy". Think about it this way, these girls are laughing all the way to the bank and after they rush you out the door calling you honey and baby then later when they are at the mall buying the latest fashions they are telling their friends how you have a small dick, you are a two pump chump or how they have you wrapped around their finger or how they only gave you a handy or a BJ and got 200 bucks for it and rushed you out the door in 20 minutes flat then punctuating that by calling you a stupid trick. Don't fool yourselves guy's these are the comments that are made by these girls, I have been immersed in this hobby and I have heard it all. I don't want to give you the wrong idea about my feelings for women, I love them and respect them and I show them compassion but it does not mean I have to pay them what they demand.

I play in all areas of the hobby, AMP's, SWS, Escorts, Non-pro / UTR and have found that they all use drugs or alcohol. All providers have their vices some are more extreme than others. Depending on which sandbox you choose to play in will dictate the level of substance abuse you should expect. My current UTR only drinks socially.

The bottom line here is opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and this is mine. All of you are going to do what want and pay what you want but I would encourage all of you to think outside box, seize opportunity when you see it and move to the next provider when you don't, and don't over tip. Remember the pussy only has power when it belongs to your wife or girlfriend but when you are paying for it, you set the price.

If I have been a regular with a Provider and paid her normal Rates and she feels comfortable being with me I will occasionally let her know that funds are short and simply say"I have saved up X- $ amount and can schedule at your convience". "Can you work with that?

It seems to work and has not adversly affected the quality of our time together. I think the key has always been establishing trust and having fun. I have not tried this for a first Encounter!

Soincerely,

RL.

Fellow Mongers,

After a rather poor outing I want to ask a rather dumb question. What is the difference between Full Service and GFE?

Doesn't FS include intercourse or is that dependent on the Provider?