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Don't do it. Generally, the $$ you pay is not worth it.

Guys have a fantasy that it will be all fun / sex but it's not the case.

It's an all expenses paid trip with minimal sex.

Just pay for 2 hrs if you want to spend more time with the girl.

[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7206076]I'm sure some of you have taken (or at least tried to take) a short trip with a K-Girl for a couple nights to Vegas / Palm Springs / San Diego etc. Many times when booker tells me "she is off 2 days" I assume some rich guy offered $xxxx to take her somewhere and she agreed.

Can you let me know approximate rate you were charged? I asked this question to a K-Girl over the weekend and the price was a lot more than I thought it would be. It's kinda a bucket list item for me though. Might consider doing it, if the rate I'm being charged is truly the market rate. Spending 2 full days and nights with this girl would be dreamy for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7206076]I'm sure some of you have taken (or at least tried to take) a short trip with a K-Girl for a couple nights to Vegas / Palm Springs / San Diego etc. Many times when booker tells me "she is off 2 days" I assume some rich guy offered $xxxx to take her somewhere and she agreed.

Can you let me know approximate rate you were charged? I asked this question to a K-Girl over the weekend and the price was a lot more than I thought it would be. It's kinda a bucket list item for me though. Might consider doing it, if the rate I'm being charged is truly the market rate. Spending 2 full days and nights with this girl would be dreamy for me.[/QUOTE]I can't think of anything that would be a bigger absolute waste of money. It just won't go as you envision. With all due respect "think McFly, think!

I have gone on several dates on personal time with K-girls and although its not those extravagant trips, I did pay for everything (nice dinner, some shopping) and though I did enjoy some of their company (even considered taking some of them off the market) TLDR I agree with everyone's sentiment. It doesn't end well. The return on investment is not worth it. You are better off paying for that hour enjoying yourself and if you want to see her more, just book multiple sessions.

[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7206076]I'm sure some of you have taken (or at least tried to take) a short trip with a K-Girl for a couple nights to Vegas / Palm Springs / San Diego etc. Many times when booker tells me "she is off 2 days" I assume some rich guy offered $xxxx to take her somewhere and she agreed.

Can you let me know approximate rate you were charged? I asked this question to a K-Girl over the weekend and the price was a lot more than I thought it would be. It's kinda a bucket list item for me though. Might consider doing it, if the rate I'm being charged is truly the market rate. Spending 2 full days and nights with this girl would be dreamy for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Randy62;7206578]I can't think of anything that would be a bigger absolute waste of money. It just won't go as you envision. With all due respect "think McFly, think![/QUOTE]

The longer the date, the higher the chances of disappointment. Just lunch or dinner on her day off is safest, maybe some sightseeing if there's actually a place she wants to see (unfortunately OC has [I]very few[/I] options). Few girls can be special enough for it to work out once, even fewer on repeat. I always caution that many veterans have tried it and even if it starts out good they often get burned. Even if the girl does nothing wrong, the illusion shatters. So while it can work out, the odds are against you.

[QUOTE=JohnHada;7206298]Just pay for 2 hrs if you want to spend more time with the girl.[/QUOTE]

This is a good option in most cases. A few girls are special enough to book for 2 hours. I've never regretted it because of the particular girl. Past that is diminishing returns. Most girls know how to entertain a guy hh or hr, 2 hour or more is not their specialty. Bring your own service if you must do this.

[QUOTE=Mrworldwide89;7206639]You are better off paying for that hour enjoying yourself and if you want to see her more, just book multiple sessions.[/QUOTE]

When a guy is hypnotized, it's hard to think straight about a girl. We've all been there. But the wonderful thing is you could just see the girl every other day until you decide otherwise. It's less money. You and the girl are probably going to have a good time meanwhile, it's a much surer thing. I think dating tends to work better with much older guys who don't emphasize banging and maybe have some nostalgia about dating a girl they like, showing her a good time. It can work out if you don't have high expectations and just want to show the girl a good time. A ton of guys have asked this, but while it is possible and most guys are hoping for a bang after a date, I think it is more fun if you don't expect that. See the girl to satisfaction first before doing any of this first, then there's no pressure and disappointment. Trying to combine dating with banging is complicated.

[QUOTE=Download X;7197270]My advice is to only date a girl you think is a good person and special. Don't chase after a girl just because she looks good..almost everyone who's been around has been burned before. Most of us have had that lesson - the key is not to ever get emotionally attached. Always let them go. I do think in 1% to 3% of the case a girl is safe and special. And when I say safety, I mean emotionally stable and not out to extract money out of you. A good girl will not guilt you or mentally drain you..I actually ask girls out "for free" for a meal or sightseeing. At the very end I give them extra money anyways. Usually, it's after their tour is over and that is the last time I ever see them. It's better that way.

One reason I've dated a few special working girls is I want to be a happy memory for them and to have the same. It is a dead end if you try anything more since the illusion will shatter at some point.

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[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7206076]I'm sure some of you have taken (or at least tried to take) a short trip with a K-Girl for a couple nights to Vegas / Palm Springs / San Diego etc. Many times when booker tells me "she is off 2 days" I assume some rich guy offered $xxxx to take her somewhere and she agreed.

Can you let me know approximate rate you were charged? I asked this question to a K-Girl over the weekend and the price was a lot more than I thought it would be. It's kinda a bucket list item for me though. Might consider doing it, if the rate I'm being charged is truly the market rate. Spending 2 full days and nights with this girl would be dreamy for me.[/QUOTE]

Girls don't normally take days off for that, I suppose there are definitely exceptions. Normally, it's going to be thousands of dollars for that. It is rare but some rich guys want it and pay.

Thank you for all your guys input. I actually had a girl ask to get my number to take her out a little later in the week to a place in Anaheim. I honestly thought about but it was like less than 10 minutes left so just showered and left. Actually this was the second time. The first was with a kgirl but before anything happened she moved to the valley I think. I cleared alot messages and old numbers recently.

[QUOTE=Atlus;7206903]Thank you for all your guys input. I actually had a girl ask to get my number to take her out a little later in the week to a place in Anaheim. I honestly thought about but it was like less than 10 minutes left so just showered and left. Actually this was the second time. The first was with a kgirl but before anything happened she moved to the valley I think. I cleared alot messages and old numbers recently.[/QUOTE]I think you're situation is a little different than what LuvBoba is asking. OTC excursions like hanging out, recreational activities, and lunch / dinner are fine in my estimation. The thing you need to consider if it's worth your time. Language barrier could be a big issue, but kgirls are just girls all the same. Have healthy boundaries and set the expectation from the beginning and you could have a great time.

Funny this topic came up. During my last session, she spoke very good English and had a great time. In the pre shower and post shower she asked me a lot of personal questions and kept complimenting me. In the clean up shower she asked me if I would like to go to a movie with her and her friend. I kind of laughed as if she was just messing around and dried off. When leaving she asked again and I was completely caught off guard and played like she was just joking around and left. But looking back on it all, I think she was serious and might go see her again now to feel it out.

Thanks guys for the feedback, normally I'd agree but this one is a bit different. I've seen her many times and we get along very well. We've already dated a couple times outside 'on the clock' and it was a great time actually. Some days I don't care about sex and we just sit and talk. She's very smart and funny. I know some won't understand but it's worth it to me even when it's not physical. Every session I leave very happy regardless. We text multiple times per day, she always makes sure she tells me good morning and good night and usually some small talk in between. I get it though, all day and all night does not have the same excitement as 1-2 hours then back to real life.

Still debating if I want to try the trip. On one hand I don't want it to ruin what I already have, on the other hand I feel like I'll regret it if I don't try before she leaves. Tough one.

[QUOTE=Resilient John;7207018]I think you're situation is a little different than what LuvBoba is asking. OTC excursions like hanging out, recreational activities, and lunch / dinner are fine in my estimation. The thing you need to consider if it's worth your time. Language barrier could be a big issue, but kgirls are just girls all the same. Have healthy boundaries and set the expectation from the beginning and you could have a great time.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this sums it up. The more brief the activity, the better. I've said before I'd only consider about 3% of girls safe and worthy, it's critical to consider. Don't judge by looks, ask if she's a good person and worth the time. I only see a girl who would see me for free, even if I give her a gift at the end anyways.

I always do it on her day off, even if it's lunch or dinner. Or late night if she has no work the next day, so it doesn't affect her sleep. Think of it like dating a girl at Starbucks, you don't visit her mid-shift and ask her to hop over the counter to have lunch with you. She'll tell you when it makes sense. If you want her to have fun and relieve stress, that is best when she is not working at all. Or she'll tell you the time, then you decide if it's good for you too. While a girl is working, the best you can do is bring her something. Don't complicate her work, use common sense.

If a girl is supposed to be working on a day and you want to take her out, she is losing that chance to make money. You are asking her to stop making money and cancel that day (or more). She and the shop are supposed to get paid, other guys would have seen her and paid her. That's why you pay her on the clock in that situation. It can be thousands for a 2 day trip, but I guess some guys are rich. I still wouldn't do it if you are rich because as others have said, you may be disappointed in the end. People expect too much and as I put it, the illusion will shatter. Some rich guys are good enough to learn and move on. A few become mentally unwell by thinking the girl owes them more. So how about we skip that and just see 5-10 girls instead with that money. So much easier.

It's also important not to ramp things up from a small date like dinner or movie, to a full on trip. A lot of guys including myself have fantasized about these things, and I'm so glad I kept it fantasy in hindsight. Many guys have been burned, because you are going to see the real side of her you can't unsee. There is not a whole lot more she can do for you, you can be unhappy even if she does nothing wrong. I emphasize again that girls know how to entertain a guy for an hour or two, that's it.

Lastly, the best scenario is if you just want the girl to be happy and have fun together. This is best after you have already seen her to satisfaction physically. It's because so many guys imagine they will date and bang for free at the end, it's so predictable. I would not expect that even if there is some small possibility, the expectation itself leads to stress and disappointment. It can be different with a girlfriend, but not for a date. I'd warn about girlfriends but I already know people will ignore any advice I give on that.

[QUOTE=TheVistMan;7207047]Funny this topic came up. During my last session, she spoke very good English and had a great time. In the pre shower and post shower she asked me a lot of personal questions and kept complimenting me. In the clean up shower she asked me if I would like to go to a movie with her and her friend.[/QUOTE]

Clearly from your comments you're comfortable with her, she's the same with you. That's the most important requirement. I know this is common sense but some guys can't see that when they fantasize about a girl.

[QUOTE=LabiaFedora;7203534]Yes would recommend to try at least once to see if its your cup of tea. I was mainly drawn in by her being Vietnamese as I feel its a rarity and I definitely find them sexy. She is cute and got the job done and was a good session for me. Enjoyed her look and her body and after talking to her said she has experience at a spa so I put that to the test and opted to get a massage too LOL. Review of her by fellow monger should tell you more.[/QUOTE]Hi, how is her menu of BBFS, is CIP on the table. For a Viet girl that is rare. Thanks.

It got approved in HYA but not pleaser.

Can any mod chime in?

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7207018]I think you're situation is a little different than what LuvBoba is asking. OTC excursions like hanging out, recreational activities, and lunch / dinner are fine in my estimation. The thing you need to consider if it's worth your time. Language barrier could be a big issue, but kgirls are just girls all the same. Have healthy boundaries and set the expectation from the beginning and you could have a great time.[/QUOTE]Yeah you're right those instances are different, but it did make me ponder the same thing of paying to book a girl for longer maybe a day. Tbh I'm still young and dumb enough to maybe actually do it, however, thanks too this discussion I know better to just keep it to either maybe a friendly OTC excursion or 2 hours bookings at most for a special girl. Sorry probably should've elaborated more.

I get that OTC is off the clock.

But do you mean that after a girl's normal hours (10-9 for example), you would see her at 10 pm for dinner or something like that?

And if it's OTC time that the girl agrees to, would you still expect to pay for her time? Or should it be free?

[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7207369]Thanks guys for the feedback, normally I'd agree but this one is a bit different. I've seen her many times and we get along very well. We've already dated a couple times outside 'on the clock' and it was a great time actually. Some days I don't care about sex and we just sit and talk. She's very smart and funny. I know some won't understand but it's worth it to me even when it's not physical. Every session I leave very happy regardless. We text multiple times per day, she always makes sure she tells me good morning and good night and usually some small talk in between. I get it though, all day and all night does not have the same excitement as 1-2 hours then back to real life.

Still debating if I want to try the trip. On one hand I don't want it to ruin what I already have, on the other hand I feel like I'll regret it if I don't try before she leaves. Tough one.[/QUOTE]Yes, all the things you said make sense. But as you can see, the advice people give here is not just for you but everyone. You are posting but 30 other guys are "read only". A few are worth helping, others are white knights, others worse. It's a public forum.

It's also not necessarily a question of if it's worth it, I just think there is a better way. I emphasize again if she has to take two days off, a bunch of guys can't book her and the shop is inconvenienced too. That's why your dream date has a price, it makes sense and it sounds like you'll have a good time even if it's expensive. Maybe you can do just a day trip this time, if you pay her proper everyone's happy.

[QUOTE=Gooner3;7207736]But do you mean that after a girl's normal hours (10-9 for example), you would see her at 10 pm for dinner or something like that?

And if it's OTC time that the girl agrees to, would you still expect to pay for her time? Or should it be free?[/QUOTE]I link to entire guides that cover this, I've answered each of these questions a few times including this thread. I don't encourage this at all so I don't want to be seen as endorsing it. I think it doesn't work out often and guys get disappointed. The expect the wrong things, it's always the same ideas. But since guys insist, might as well keep both guys and girls safe with some tips. Lower expectations. Ask people to use common sense.

You can figure it out yourself with what's been presented. I would again emphasize that lots of guys get disappointed when they do it for the wrong reason. I think of it as a tip for the girl, I already tip some girls anyways so taking her out for fun and to share a memory is another tip. I don't expect a single thing from girls, so it works out. Guys who expect much get burned.

Different scenario here but after repeating with a kgirl a few times, she asked me if I could take her to the market so she could do grocery shopping. I said sure and ended up pushing the shopping cart around for her. I didn't get anything extra out of it but seeing her in bright lights inside of a market and not instead of a dark room made her look less appealing to me in a way. It sort of lowered the fantasy aspect of it. I still saw her again after that but I didn't try to push for anything off the clock. Come to think of it, I would've had to answer a lot of questions if I ran into someone I knew at the market when I was with her. Clearly someone my age is generally not with a young girl like her.