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I saw her as well and was extremely disappointed. Maybe it's time to take a break.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4954241]Pepsi's Palace has been popped by le several times.[/QUOTE]Does anyone actually live in that building?

[QUOTE=HeyHoor;4954318]I saw her as well and was extremely disappointed. Maybe it's time to take a break.[/QUOTE]Thank God I dodge that bullet!

M.

Cona, Chanel. WLA.

Kiss, Yuna. MW.

Eye (New WLA) [URL]https://myalbum.com/album/iCw9HzDUojsf[/URL].

Sexyfunkgirls.

Viki WLA.

[QUOTE=PumpNDump;4954287]You are totally correct about the bookers not knowing the past history of the girls they are scheduling for. Some of these bookers are actually in a different county or even state. The only way the bookers are able to vet the girls is when veterans report it to them so the girl can get dropped.[/QUOTE]This is probably on purpose given that we live in a world with Google Hangouts, Skype, Zoom etc.

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;4953615]Hi Gents.

This is not a BBFS report but as we all know that M is famous for BBFS girls, so here you go, not all BBFS this time.

Saw this new girl Yuna with M and tried to book either Cona or Chanel but all booked up on the time I want, so tried Yuna.

One word to conclude this visit, "Disappointment".

[/QUOTE]My experience was a lot better than yours. But I agree that she is pretty average overall. She did give off a "pro" vibe initially, but warmed up soon enough. I went through a different booker and chose the BBFS option. Obviously, that is not the norm with M girls. Normally, I wouldn't give her another thought, but these days I might repeat if there were no better options. But even now we still have girls like Diva, Poppy, Joy, and Ravi that are FAR better IMO.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4954241]Pepsi's Palace has been popped by le several times.[/QUOTE]I've popped at Pepsi's Palace several times as well. I was once put in handcuffs by LE at an MP in WeHo. They threatened me with jail time if I didn't rat out the provider but I knew they were just bullshitting to get info. Eventually let me go with a warning. I was back the next night.

I've tried Chanel with J so I decided to try out Chanel (M). Overall it was fine, but not great as I had expected it to be. She was pretty timid and needed to be directed on what to do. Asked for $$ first, counted it up, there was a little extra in there, but not sure it changed the service levels. All the usual stuff, but so so rim, mechanical shower, and needed to be given directions. Pretty and willing to please, but I like a little more assertiveness.

Google hangouts, skype, zoom has nothing to with it. All the numbers are local, bookers just don't necessarily live here in the l. A region. 15-20 plus years ago bookers would actually arrange appointments by phone call not text. They would actually make recommendations and tell you who you would prefer based on your questions. Zoom hasn't been around for that long nor has hangouts which are used for conferencing / networking / socialisation. In addition when was the last time anyone had to use skype to facetime the booker. Lets not over analyze the obvious.

[QUOTE=IAmGib1;4955018]This is probably on purpose given that we live in a world with Google Hangouts, Skype, Zoom etc.[/QUOTE]

Just throwing it out there if anyone recognizes her. Must of started today because I didn't see her the other day.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4954220]This one slipped between the cracks. She was here with M before and was terrible then. M had no idea it was her. Don't know if the agency did. M just found out today that she was here before under a different name. As I stated in a previous post the bookers don; t usually know much, if anything, about the girls until they hear it from us.[/QUOTE]I don't buy that M is totally ignorant of the girls who are brought in. If she was, that's negligence on her role as a booker. If she is going to screen customers, then she would (or should) certainly screen her girls. She also knows the pictures are fake, so, again, she's been in this business long enough to know how this impacts marketing. So, if it were some other booker, people would say they're "dishonest", but for M, they give her a pass?

[QUOTE=BuddhaHead;4955356]I don't buy that M is totally ignorant of the girls who are brought in. If she was, that's negligence on her role as a booker. If she is going to screen customers, then she would (or should) certainly screen her girls. She also knows the pictures are fake, so, again, she's been in this business long enough to know how this impacts marketing. So, if it were some other booker, people would say they're "dishonest", but for M, they give her a pass?[/QUOTE]That's not the case. I know that she doesn't know much about the new girls who she books. That isn't her job. She works for an agency to book and that's all. Booking includes screening the customers and not screening the girls. They are hired by the agency and the pics are given to her. Sometimes she will know that they worked up north for a while but not much more. In the case of Yuna she saw the pics which are not even the pics of Yuna and didn't know anything else about her until she heard it from us. Do you really believe the bookers screen the girls and then tell management that they don't want to book for some of them. Not in this real world.

Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of.

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of.[/QUOTE]I don't mind cause that's how I make sweet BBFS deals real fast and had lots of luck!

Girls usually ask for $ upfront cause either they've been handed fake $ (happens a lot lately), shorted $, dude just runs out, or even robbed!

Blame it on you fellow mongers if that why!

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?[/QUOTE]I always have the money pre-counted and ready to lay down on the nightstand as I'm getting undressed. I usually use larger bills, so it's easy for her to count if she decides to move it somewhere else (a reasonable thing to do IMO). I'd say 75% of the time, they don't bother to move / count it while I'm there. If I'm inclined to tip (I usually am), then I just lay the tip down on top of the pile after I get dressed. Honestly, this seems like one of the simpler aspects of the hobby.

[QUOTE=Dwaeji;4955492]I always have the money pre-counted and ready to lay down on the nightstand as I'm getting undressed. I usually use larger bills, so it's easy for her to count if she decides to move it somewhere else (a reasonable thing to do IMO). I'd say 75% of the time, they don't bother to move / count it while I'm there. If I'm inclined to tip (I usually am), then I just lay the tip down on top of the pile after I get dressed. Honestly, this seems like one of the simpler aspects of the hobby.[/QUOTE]Yes, just dropping the money somewhere while undressing saves everyone the hassle of the transaction. A kgirl with her hand out is a terrible mood killer so I just prefer we don't even get to that situation. I do remember in NorCal when a girl would excuse herself for one minute and do whatever she does with the cash outside the room. That's respectful also as long as it's quick. I personally count myself in front to make sure they realize I slipped in the extra 20-40. Seinfeld and the tip jar scene haha. On first visits, I tip afterwards based on service but on return visits I'll tip upfront while undressing.

I've heard too many sob stories from them of money issues going down. Especially instances when phony Hollywood money is used. I've seen them money a few times personally. Note I've heard that when a idiot gives Hollywood money, only the girl is shorted. The org still collects as it was the girls fault. It's a crappy move for anyone to do.

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;4955538]Yes, just dropping the money somewhere while undressing saves everyone the hassle of the transaction. A kgirl with her hand out is a terrible mood killer so I just prefer we don't even get to that situation. I do remember in NorCal when a girl would excuse herself for one minute and do whatever she does with the cash outside the room. That's respectful also as long as it's quick. I personally count myself in front to make sure they realize I slipped in the extra 20-40. Seinfeld and the tip jar scene haha. On first visits, I tip afterwards based on service but on return visits I'll tip upfront while undressing.

I've heard too many sob stories from them of money issues going down. Especially instances when phony Hollywood money is used. I've seen them money a few times personally. Note I've heard that when a idiot gives Hollywood money, only the girl is shorted. The org still collects as it was the girls fault. It's a crappy move for anyone to do.[/QUOTE]Anyone know what the girl actually keeps? Is there an industry standard. Do the girls actually pay for the room like strippers pay the club to dance and make their money solely on tips? I'm talking about the KAMP scene.

[QUOTE=AhardLanding;4955563]Anyone know what the girl actually keeps? Is there an industry standard. Do the girls actually pay for the room like strippers pay the club to dance and make their money solely on tips? I'm talking about the KAMP scene.[/QUOTE]I've been told it's a 70/30 split in favor of the girls. I wouldn't be surprised if it varies between agencies.

I don't have an issue dropping the payment upfront if the girl asks for it. Nor do I have a problem with the girl counting it. If there's anyone to blame its the lowlives that have shorted the girls or scammed them with fake money. Unfortunately we live in a society that allows lowlives to flourish and exist, especially in this state. Lets face it there's plenty of lowlife miscreants that are in the hobbying scene.

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4955442]That's not the case. I know that she doesn't know much about the new girls who she books. That isn't her job. She works for an agency to book and that's all. Booking includes screening the customers and not screening the girls. They are hired by the agency and the pics are given to her. Sometimes she will know that they worked up north for a while but not much more. In the case of Yuna she saw the pics which are not even the pics of Yuna and didn't know anything else about her until she heard it from us. Do you really believe the bookers screen the girls and then tell management that they don't want to book for some of them. Not in this real world.[/QUOTE]Why are you defending her? How do you know what she knows or doesn't? Why does she recommend girls that she knows nothing about? Even if this is what she allegedly told you, that doesn't mean it's true. Bookers don't reveal all the details of their business to outsiders.

Have any of you fellas seen Red at KTE? The booker says she's new but her pictures looked super familiar. Google images didn't turn up anything and her name is too short to search on here unfortunately. The talent at KTE is so hit & miss. I'll TOFFT but would love to hear if any of ya had any intel. Thanks!

I have always given money upfront since the day I started. I even tell the upsell girls to count the money so they know the services I want.

Usually girls don't count my donation. Girls who count are with bookers who said donation first. I also have no problem counting money in front of girls.

Agree with this whole post from HapaBoy86.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4955464]I don't mind cause that's how I make sweet BBFS deals real fast and had lots of luck!

Girls usually ask for $ upfront cause either they've been handed fake $ (happens a lot lately), shorted $, dude just runs out, or even robbed!

Blame it on you fellow mongers if that why![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of[/QUOTE]It's probably the difference between being known to the bookers and being a newbie. I've been doing this for so many years and maybe I can count on one hand how many times the donation was wanted up front. Even at the beginning. I've heard some of the same horror stories of being ripped off and I guess if the booker says he's okay it takes the pressure off the girl. I've even forgotten or almost forgotten to give the donation several times but it was all good. Just ran back and made amends.

[QUOTE=NewKinkshire;4950775]How many loads do you think some of these BBFSCIP women have taken? It has to be in the tens of thousands for some of the more experienced. Anyone want to do an estimation[/QUOTE]New to this whole seen. After reading post after post about bbfscip scared of getting sick. How does everyone deal with this? Are the girls tested?

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for [/QUOTE]Unlike everyone else, this is what I WANT. It's business and I want to clear things up right away.

I simply don't understand why it's a "turn-off". When you go buy something, you pay up front. Regardless of what the service is, it's the same thing here. Get it out of the way so everyone is on the same page and they'll know and feel comfortable with intentions.

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?
...[/QUOTE]I've noticed the frequency that bookers mention putting down the donation first has occurred more often. This may indicate that incidents where fake money is used and / or shorting donation amounts have increased. Although it's just speculation on my part, the economical stress brought on by the pandemic may push some mongers that aren't willing to make appropriate adjustments to their mongering, whether out of pride or otherwise, resort to using such measures.

Personally, I don't care if the girl counts it in front of me or leaves the room for a moment to count / put it away. It is a quid pro quo transaction after all, even if some of us mongers conveniently forget it. I've always placed the donation even before undressing to the nearest nightstand / dresser / chair. In practice, I've seen only some new girls count. My regulars don't, even if the booker says so (it's all a standard text anyways). For agencies that I been with for a while, even their new girls don't count. I'm assuming the booker gives a heads up saying that he's been with us for a while so he's good or some such. So overall, I see it just as a minor distraction. The worst I seen was with KTE, they actually had a money counter machine in the room. I found it funny and sad at the same time.

With KPC.

Pictures: It's her, just glammed up and slenderized.

Looks: I find her quite cute, 5'3", natural perky Bs, decent ass, shaven pussy. Fair skin, no tattoos, body is more curvy than in the pictures but she's well proportioned excluding her tits. Blemish free skin and soft supple curves all around really supports and cements the bookers' insistence that she's in her 20's (I'm always skeptical at first). Can easily pass as mid-20's.

English: She knows some phrases, understands the words needed in her profession.

Attitude: carefree. Likes to be a bit silly and laugh. Will lightly slap and pinch you in a playful manner.

Service: Overall average. Could be because she's new but service was just run of the mill as a whole. Not really stood out in terms of service provided so I won't bore you with more text. Not much DFK, has contrived English responses. BBFS no CIP.

Expense: $270.

Repeat: On the fence here. Essentially, she's a decent hookup who is cute, young, and with an all natural body that you can BB but service is meh. For some, it's going to be "where's the nearest ATM" while for others it won't be as attractive. 50/50 chance I might repeat to see if service can improve with repeats.

[QUOTE=NewKinkshire;4950775]How many loads do you think some of these BBFSCIP women have taken? It has to be in the tens of thousands for some of the more experienced. Anyone want to do an estimation[/QUOTE]With all this bbfscip how do you stay clean? Are these girls tested? New to the scene.

[QUOTE=PumpNDump;4955161]Google hangouts, skype, zoom has nothing to with it. All the numbers are local, bookers just don't necessarily live here in the l. A region. 15-20 plus years ago bookers would actually arrange appointments by phone call not text. They would actually make recommendations and tell you who you would prefer based on your questions. Zoom hasn't been around for that long nor has hangouts which are used for conferencing / networking / socialisation. In addition when was the last time anyone had to use skype to facetime the booker. Lets not over analyze the obvious.[/QUOTE]Much of what you say is true. Also 20 years ago most of the girls used real pix too. Want a local number get Google voice.

[QUOTE=BobbyPeru69;4955682]Have any of you fellas seen Red at KTE? The booker says she's new but her pictures looked super familiar. Google images didn't turn up anything and her name is too short to search on here unfortunately. The talent at KTE is so hit & miss. I'll TOFFT but would love to hear if any of ya had any intel. Thanks![/QUOTE]Search for "Silk". AKA Kay.

Anyone tried Coco saw lots of reviews of her other flowers but nothing about her.

[QUOTE=Dwaeji;4956285]Search for "Silk". AKA Kay.[/QUOTE]Thanks D! You saved me from what I'm sure would have been a disappointment based on what I just read.

[QUOTE=BuddhaHead;4955634]Why are you defending her? How do you know what she knows or doesn't? Why does she recommend girls that she knows nothing about? Even if this is what she allegedly told you, that doesn't mean it's true. Bookers don't reveal all the details of their business to outsiders.[/QUOTE]The only recommendations I've received from M were based off of the feedback she's received from her own customers. That's just me though.

[QUOTE=Peter321;4956335]The only recommendations I've received from M were based off of the feedback she's received from her own customers. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]From my experience, whenever I ask if a girl is good or not, she would also mention "other clients say good" or "very popular". However I have had another Booker give me similar feedback, and the girl was hit or miss. Just my input.

[QUOTE=BuddhaHead;4955634]Why are you defending her? How do you know what she knows or doesn't? Why does she recommend girls that she knows nothing about? Even if this is what she allegedly told you, that doesn't mean it's true. Bookers don't reveal all the details of their business to outsiders.[/QUOTE]I'm defending her because I know her and how it works. If a girl is not worth seeing she tells me. Never promotes the bad ones, at least not to me and she tells me if she knows anything about them. What she knows about them is from mongers like you and me. Do you think she would promote the bad ones at the expense of losing her credibility and losing customer's confidence? She has enough good ones to not have to recommend the bad ones. Actually she wants to get rid of the bad ones and hopefully get a good one in her place. She lets me know who is BBFS and who is not. Who is good looking and who is not based on the feedback she gets even though looks is always subjective. Sometimes she doesn't know if BBFS is available and then I wait for those who TOFTT find out. Yes I may get more info than most of the guys calling but I do know what she knows and what she doesn't know based on my experience.

[QUOTE=Peter321;4956335]The only recommendations I've received from M were based off of the feedback she's received from her own customers. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]Some bookers just prefer not to work with certain girls because they deal with all the complaints from the customers. Then they hear the cries from the org on why the girl isn't busy. It's drama they have to deal with because the girl is crap. So they do have the ability to refuse booking for a girl.

Now in the case of a girl slipping through or not. You see Kiss has her own org site and M was likely just helping to book for a girl listed on Booker Gray site too. That girl is the orgs responsibility to vet and ask if they have worked under M PO as well. Girl said no likely and was lying. The flood of complaints happened. Same thing happened with Candy who was Jade of M / Joy of Cakdolls, and now Danbi at Newasianvibe/Dana of Sixshop

Also nowadays orgs cant be picky. The talent pool has diminished so they have to take who they can to hold the over. In NorCal some of the orgs are internal org PO as well so easier to refuse a bad cookie.

[QUOTE=HeavySetD;4953608]Saw her first morning appt today. Definitely worth checking out, will type up the a full review later, look out for the review link. But quick recap, If you like them thin, tall (5'8 with heels), nice little butt that sticks out, face is pretty, I would guess her age is late 20's-early30's, natural tits (nipples reminded me of Sugar's), CIP X2, DFK entire session, responds well to having her body played with, loves DATY, then she's your girl. Already planning a repeat.[/QUOTE]Someone said she looks just like one of the pics in her photoset. Which pic does she most resemble?

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;4956571]Some bookers just prefer not to work with certain girls because they deal with all the complaints from the customers. Then they hear the cries from the org on why the girl isn't busy. It's drama they have to deal with because the girl is crap. So they do have the ability to refuse booking for a girl.

Now in the case of a girl slipping through or not. You see Kiss has her own org site and M was likely just helping to book for a girl listed on Booker Gray site too. That girl is the orgs responsibility to vet and ask if they have worked under M PO as well. Girl said no likely and was lying. The flood of complaints happened. Same thing happened with Candy who was Jade of M / Joy of Cakdolls, and now Danbi at Newasianvibe/Dana of Sixshop

Also nowadays orgs cant be picky. The talent pool has diminished so they have to take who they can to hold the over. In NorCal some of the orgs are internal org PO as well so easier to refuse a bad cookie.[/QUOTE]Thi.

I agree with everything you said except that they can refuse booking for certain girls. I know personally M didn't want certain girls but had no say in it. That's why you see girls return to her as a booker who were not very good the first time around. I. e. Candy, Hera, Eva, etc. She's just a worker in the org and has to book for whomever they send to her. The girls go the org for jobs and not to M and if they contact M personally she directs them to the org for the job. Other than screening of customers and booking bookers have very little say in who is hired and only can report complaints if they want someone fired.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4956446]I'm defending her because I know her and how it works. If a girl is not worth seeing she tells me. Never promotes the bad ones, at least not to me and she tells me if she knows anything about them. What she knows about them is from mongers like you and me. Do you think she would promote the bad ones at the expense of losing her credibility and losing customer's confidence? She has enough good ones to not have to recommend the bad ones. Actually she wants to get rid of the bad ones and hopefully get a good one in her place. She lets me know who is BBFS and who is not. Who is good looking and who is not based on the feedback she gets even though looks is always subjective. Sometimes she doesn't know if BBFS is available and then I wait for those who TOFTT find out. Yes I may get more info than most of the guys calling but I do know what she knows and what she doesn't know based on my experience.[/QUOTE]So is that why you're always raving about her girls? You do over the top promos for her stable and she rewards you with immediate and detailed intel on her providers? Perhaps a freebie or discount sesh every now and again?

My personal rule of thumb is home team sets the rules. If I'm on an incall, she's not going to run off (it's the monger who's more likely to bolt), so it's pretty safe to pay up front. If she's on an outcall, however, the roles are reversed, and the lady is now the one more likely to cut and run, so she gets paid when it's all done.

If you've developed a business relationship with a provider, then it's pretty easy to do either in both circumstances. It's whatever the 2 of you are comfortable with, since you two already trust each other to a degree.