"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6879551]The "arrangement" is whatever 2 consenting adults want it to be. For most people, that's dates plus sex for cash. For some, it's just straight up sex for cash. However, there are some girls and guys that use gifts / trips / fancy dinners instead of pure cash. The arrangement might be "I take you to 5 star restaurants and a shopping trip and we hook up afterwards. ".

I've had a few that just wanted to be "spoiled" occasionally in exchange for hooking up. About a year or so back I had a early 30's cutie who just wanted a mani / pedi / massage spa day once a month. If I paid for that for her once a month, she'd fuck my brains out every week. It was a pretty sweet deal, but not very common. I had one late last year that agreed to hook up with me if I would sub to her OnlyF*ns afterwards (I would never agree to beforehand). We met at a hotel, we fucked twice, I subbed to her OF right there on the spot for $15. Canceled it a couple of weeks later after she ghosted, but not before downloading all her material.

Most of my cash arrangements are 200 per intimate date, plus I pay for hotel, or if they can host, I'll do 300 for them per intimate date. If we meet for coffee or dinner I'll cover the tab as well.

When I first talk to a potential sugar baby (or POT) I get to know them first, standard online dating questions. Once we've been talking a few hours, or even a day or 2, I'll normally ask them if they want to talk about the "arrangement." I ask them what they are looking for, and try to get them to be the first to mention money, though some will play coy. If they do, I'll generally ask them if they prefer a cash allowance, gifts, or something else. Once they finally tell me what they are looking for, then I'll ask if they are willing to talk through the intimate details so we can make sure we have chemistry before figuring the specifics of the arrangement. At that point I point blank ask them what they enjoy sexually, and have a pretty detailed talk about what turns them on. If this goes well then our conversation will actually turn them on. If they're turned on enough, I can usually get nudes / vids at this point for free. Another bonus of turning them on is they actually will WANT to meet you, and are willing to see you for less than normal (since if theoretically if you turned them on here you could have just as easily turned them on through a standard dating site and they would've fucked you for free anyways). Once I feel like they really like me, I ask them specifically what they are looking for allowance/gift wise, and then negotiate from there.

It's not a 100% success rate but you can comb through my post history under this thread to see specific examples. When my SA sub is active, I can normally bag 4-5 different girls, usually in their early 20s - early 30s, maybe the occasional 19 year old, and never pay more than 300 per date. You have to be willing to pass on girls who have GPS (gold pussy syndrome), the girls who are wannabe instagram models or influencers who think a billionaire should pay them thousands a week. When someone is unreasonable or not willing to move come down to a reasonable arrangement, I tell them we're not a good fit and move on. Remember, there's a LOT more "average income" guys on the site than there are multi-millionaires, and as long as you're willing to say "no" to some very pretty girls, you'll find some real pretty ones that'll take great care of you, are grateful for the help you give them, and won't break the bank.[/QUOTE]Man I sure wish I would have read this before I started having conversations with a few of them. I'm sure Ill have some great success thanks for you input, really helped me out alot on my jounery Ill read your older post so I can get a better understanding. This is 10 x better then regular SW on listcrawlers I think ill enjoy this alot. LOL.

[QUOTE=GreekLurker212;6880160]Man I sure wish I would have read this before I started having conversations with a few of them. I'm sure Ill have some great success thanks for you input, really helped me out alot on my jounery Ill read your older post so I can get a better understanding. This is 10 x better then regular SW on listcrawlers I think ill enjoy this alot. LOL.[/QUOTE]GoneforGood97 is a real one and a top contributor to this thread. Great advice.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/19256eda-40f0-4d3b-bd62-1246c4dad30c[/URL]

I've been talking to her for weeks. Exchanging pics and just having normal conversation. Said her and her roommate needed money for rent. They offered a 3 way for $600. She gave me her address. I show up and they lead me to the bedroom. Everything checked out so far. As soon as I hand over the cash, a dude runs out asking what I'm doing in his house and kicks me out while pretending to yell at the girls for having me over. They run off and hide.

I'm deciding what I want to do since his house isn't far and her number isn't a burner. I use [URL]Spokeo.com[/URL] to find out all the info.

She has none of my info. I use a burner myself and leave my wallet in my vehicle anytime I meet someone.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter818;6880616][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/19256eda-40f0-4d3b-bd62-1246c4dad30c[/URL]

I've been talking to her for weeks. Exchanging pics and just having normal conversation. Said her and her roommate needed money for rent. They offered a 3 way for $600. She gave me her address. I show up and they lead me to the bedroom. Everything checked out so far. As soon as I hand over the cash, a dude runs out asking what I'm doing in his house and kicks me out while pretending to yell at the girls for having me over. They run off and hide.

I'm deciding what I want to do since his house isn't far and her number isn't a burner. I use [URL]Spokeo.com[/URL] to find out all the info.

She has none of my info. I use a burner myself and leave my wallet in my vehicle anytime I meet someone.[/QUOTE]Damn that is messed up, but considering you have their address and they don't have any of your info, seems like you can fuck with them somehow.

Just make their life really annoying. Sign there phone and address up for everything under the sun. Free subscriptions. Phone solicitors. Sales calls. Anything along that line you can think of.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter818;6880616][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/19256eda-40f0-4d3b-bd62-1246c4dad30c[/URL]

I've been talking to her for weeks. Exchanging pics and just having normal conversation. Said her and her roommate needed money for rent. They offered a 3 way for $600. She gave me her address. I show up and they lead me to the bedroom. Everything checked out so far. As soon as I hand over the cash, a dude runs out asking what I'm doing in his house and kicks me out while pretending to yell at the girls for having me over. They run off and hide.

I'm deciding what I want to do since his house isn't far and her number isn't a burner. I use [URL]Spokeo.com[/URL] to find out all the info.

She has none of my info. I use a burner myself and leave my wallet in my vehicle anytime I meet someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreekLurker212;6880160]Man I sure wish I would have read this before I started having conversations with a few of them. I'm sure Ill have some great success thanks for you input, really helped me out alot on my jounery Ill read your older post so I can get a better understanding. This is 10 x better then regular SW on listcrawlers I think ill enjoy this alot. LOL.[/QUOTE]Here's a link to a post where I provide links to some of my more well received advice posts. Hope these help. Good luck!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=6451251&viewfull=1#post6451251[/URL]

All great advice and overview from Gone. Not so much anymore, but the Richmond, VA sugar baby thread was the defacto national forum for general info for ages. There is a thread of favorites from that thread in the Richmond User Blogs as well:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

Good luck and good hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=GreekLurker212;6879412]I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys new here. Anyone have experience with this one?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/82b131ec-adff-4bd2-8bfb-f1bd5cc4c6f7[/URL]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;6880857]Just make their life really annoying. Sign there phone and address up for everything under the sun. Free subscriptions. Phone solicitors. Sales calls. Anything along that line you can think of.[/QUOTE]Any subscription will send an email for confirmation, until the person gives consent they are not subscribed. Also all this subscription group email comes with unsubscribe link. So it's easy to unsubscribe.

Ph# works somewhat better. You share the phone number with telemarketers and donation websites. LOL.

Not sure how the address can be used to annoy someone.

It will interesting other people's ideas on this topic.

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Looking for some thoughts form anyone that has met a bartender. Waitress etc and how they may of approached with them if they would have an interest in a mutually beneficial scenario?. I appreciate your thoughts and experience!

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You need to learn the difference between trapping somebody in a corner and using a little game to see if a chick would be interested. Read the second post after this one and learn someting.

I ran restaurants for years and most of the hot waitresses had some guy taking them places they couldn't afford.

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[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;6884767]Looking for some thoughts form anyone that has met a bartender. Waitress etc and how they may of approached with them if they would have an interest in a mutually beneficial scenario?. I appreciate your thoughts and experience![/QUOTE]FWIW years ago I had a smoking hot barber that as time went on I ended up going to her place to get my haircuts rather than the shop she worked out of. She was always complaining about $ issues and I broached the subject of a mutually beneficial arrangement with her. Needless to say I tipped astronomically well for a haircut and we had a really good time for a number of years. I'd simply call her up and say I needed a haircut every couple of weeks and sometimes she would give me a cut but she always gave some trim! She eventually fell in love moved to the country and got fat.

Stay Safe!

Buck.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;6884767]Looking for some thoughts form anyone that has met a bartender. Waitress etc and how they may of approached with them if they would have an interest in a mutually beneficial scenario?. I appreciate your thoughts and experience![/QUOTE]During the tail end of the pandemic I imagine waitresses were struggling. This requires some game, and it doesn't hurt if you're decent looking or a charmer. I had success one (and only one) time with a Hooters waitress. It wasn't planned or calculated, I was eating dinner and there to watch a football game. It wasn't very busy and I'd been there over an hour and we started chatting. During the conversations she mentioned her young son, which is only important because it meant I knew she was a mom and likely single (no wedding band) working at Hooters, which is a prime demographic for possible SB.

Asked her what she did for fun, and she mentioned traveling. Asked her about the most exotic place she'd ever been, and she replied Panama City, FL. Told if she enjoyed traveling she really needed to get her passport and go to Europe while she was young enough to enjoy it. "Oh, well, that's not exactly something I can afford. " "Sounds like you need a sugar daddy hahahaha" "Oh yeah I wish hahaha". Game wraps up and I get my check. After she brings me back my card I keep her there with small talk a few seconds while I write in the tip and sign it. Once it's obvious I've signed it and her tip won't be affected by her response I say to her "You know, if you're serious about the sugar daddy thing, I could see us doing something like that. I'm going to the bathroom before I leave, but if you want to leave your number on a napkin when I get back we could work something out. ".

Hit it twice for 100 PPM plus hotel over the next few weeks before she eventually ghosted. All it took was having a decent conversation with her for 2+ hours, followed by a little prodding about if she needed money or not, and offering to solve the problem.

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This profile was listed as Philly till yesterday night and today its changed to Atlanta. And the person texted me saying his / her profile name is sweetmizz and shared a picture which is no where matching with what she posted in profile. The scammer even don't know from what profile he / she is texting from.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/295e1467-206b-47d2-b152-b406f50789f8[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a4f157c0-8c49-4349-af4c-7b55c369799c[/URL]

Has another page as well, name is just backward, but same girl. So try at own risk.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e449f4a5-99c8-44c9-bd47-a7fe71bc2948[/URL]

Nice girl but a little immature. Couldn't decide on when she wanted to meet. Good with 300 ppm.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c39cfd8b-e461-4308-ae51-d6611d540402[/URL]

Too many restrictions for me, doesn't like to talk / text much. Good with 300 ppm.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/578045bc-6e99-4d28-be98-958c4e7c0012[/URL]

From South Africa visiting till August. 350 ppm is her asking.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/288a3b1b-897d-43df-ae01-f5672399fb03[/URL]

Nice body. Works out. Trying to get her a car. Initially agree to 300 ppm, but then said she got a better offer. She called 2 days later and wanted to take me up my offer. Stand your ground men.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c3d033dc-8ac2-4345-a532-35aa42f882fd[/URL]

Still trying to figure her out, but is just a time waster for now. Says she needs help with finding a place and help with her kid, but always flakes. We have had good convo, but you guys can try your luck.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/001c0167-392d-4c8c-ab0a-3aaa6f103056[/URL]

Young and vibrant. Open to anything and will stay overnight. Good with 300-350 ppm.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6bcfa3d4-5c03-4221-8876-5fc0ce8d37c3[/URL]

New to SB and freaked out on me out of the blue saying she thinks we may be cousins. LOL. Good with 300 ppm.

A lot nice ladies out there, so stick to your gunns and don't overpay or give in too something you don't feel good about. Enjoy!

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[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/586e948f-e17d-47eb-a5f3-9b46b68021b2[/URL]

Does anyone have info on this one (or pair, it seems)? If so, would you be willing to DM some contact info?

Thanks!

DM.

[QUOTE=DiscreetMeet;6890633][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/586e948f-e17d-47eb-a5f3-9b46b68021b2[/URL]

Does anyone have info on this one (or pair, it seems)? If so, would you be willing to DM some contact info?

Thanks!

DM.[/QUOTE]Guessing you might be missing an organ or two. But hey, you never know it might be the best time of your life!

[QUOTE=ChristianTroy;6866901]I connected with these two Latinas on non-sugar dating apps and have sugar dates lined up. They both claim they've done this before but I've never seen them on any sugar sites (I did find their socials though). Anyone have any experience? I'll report back next week.[/QUOTE]I had a session with the younger one. 300 ppm, dfk, bbj, cfs. She was skittish but settled down and was fun (she turned out to be 21 BTW, not 18). I'm trying to schedule with the older one because I like 'them milfy too.

BTW, the dating app I was using was Badoo. It's not very popular in the United States compared to tinder or bumble, but it's very popular internationally and very popular with immigrant populations. Yes, you have to wade through scammers that are on another continent, but there's a huge contingent of local Georgia girls as well.

However, most do not speak English so go ahead and download a translator app. Most are cool with the translation (and I think appreciate the effort). I'd say trying out the membership is worth it for the extra benefits (just be sure it doesn't auto-renew). Trust me when I say it is a Latina Gold Mine!

Sugaring in the wild is a trip! I think I found my new favorite hobby.

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For those who go through ppms rather than allowances.

How do you navigate ppms? For example, if you have an SB that's open to intimacy but after some time of regular meets. What is the line that draws it for you?

For example, ppms are pay per meet, not PPF pay per fuck haha. So are you all just doing ppms to just splurge until they hopefully say they're ready? Or do you meet and start ppms after intimacy?

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6892423]For those who go through ppms rather than allowances.

How do you navigate ppms? For example, if you have an SB that's open to intimacy but after some time of regular meets. What is the line that draws it for you?

For example, ppms are pay per meet, not PPF pay per fuck haha. So are you all just doing ppms to just splurge until they hopefully say they're ready? Or do you meet and start ppms after intimacy?[/QUOTE]Unless it's crystal clear, the first meet (or first few meets) are for a drink, late afternoon chat, etc. And those are never PPM.

During those times the ground rules get established and we go from there. After a time (depends a lot of the attitude of the SB) it's very possible to have PPMs that don't involve intimacy and, at the same time, meeting involving intimacy that are not PPM.

You'll know when you meet the right one.

DM.

[QUOTE=DiscreetMeet;6892438]Unless it's crystal clear, the first meet (or first few meets) are for a drink, late afternoon chat, etc. And those are never PPM.

During those times the ground rules get established and we go from there. After a time (depends a lot of the attitude of the SB) it's very possible to have PPMs that don't involve intimacy and, at the same time, meeting involving intimacy that are not PPM.

You'll know when you meet the right one.

DM.[/QUOTE]Don't get sucked into paying for a meet & greet, I usually do lunch meetups as it's when I am normally free. Sushi or Taco's are the two most common lunch dates. If you can't pick up a $20 lunch then sugaring isn't for you.

[QUOTE=DiscreetMeet;6890633][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/586e948f-e17d-47eb-a5f3-9b46b68021b2[/URL]

Does anyone have info on this one (or pair, it seems)? If so, would you be willing to DM some contact info?

Thanks!

DM.[/QUOTE]I met Blair, the blue haired one, once. There was a second girl on the profile with her just a week or so ago. One of the best BBJ I've ever had, so good I finished early and didn't get the chance to sample the pussy. She'll likely go to text right away and be easy to convince to meet. $250 for an hour but that was 3 years ago. She can be very business like if that's a big turnoff.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;6892521]Don't get sucked into paying for a meet & greet, I usually do lunch meetups as it's when I am normally free. Sushi or Taco's are the two most common lunch dates. If you can't pick up a $20 lunch then sugaring isn't for you.[/QUOTE]Oh, not 20 $ lunch isn't the issue. My question is mainly people asking for more meet and greets? For example, let's say we go to Atlas and I cover the tab obviously. Then the conversation lately has been "I'd like to continue meeting and feel out if intimacy would be right for this (SB)" but would like to continue ppms until we get there. Usually never given a timeline and kinda odd to even ask for one in the first place.

Wondering if that's the norm?

And appreciate the response!

[QUOTE=DiscreetMeet;6892438]Unless it's crystal clear, the first meet (or first few meets) are for a drink, late afternoon chat, etc. And those are never PPM.

During those times the ground rules get established and we go from there. After a time (depends a lot of the attitude of the SB) it's very possible to have PPMs that don't involve intimacy and, at the same time, meeting involving intimacy that are not PPM.

You'll know when you meet the right one.

DM.[/QUOTE]DM,

Thanks for this! This was what I was asking for and generally assuming typically how it looks like.

Not saying that every meet needs to be intimate, but I also don't want to be suckered for PPMs indefinitely waiting on an answer for a maybe on intimacy (if that makes sense). A lot of people have been demanding paid meet and greets.

Atlvoy, I think you might be misunderstanding the game a little bit.

The "M" in PPM might stand for "meet", but it means "fuck". Absolutely do NOT pay any amount other than the tab just to meet with someone, as like on a date. If she wants to charge you just to hang out with her, move on.

Unless she's picking up the tab, I will only go on a maximum of 2 "dates", the initial meet and the second one only if we agree to fuck afterwards.

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6892626]DM,

Thanks for this! This was what I was asking for and generally assuming typically how it looks like.

Not saying that every meet needs to be intimate, but I also don't want to be suckered for PPMs indefinitely waiting on an answer for a maybe on intimacy (if that makes sense). A lot of people have been demanding paid meet and greets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6892625]Oh, not 20 $ lunch isn't the issue. My question is mainly people asking for more meet and greets? For example, let's say we go to Atlas and I cover the tab obviously. Then the conversation lately has been "I'd like to continue meeting and feel out if intimacy would be right for this (SB)" but would like to continue ppms until we get there. Usually never given a timeline and kinda odd to even ask for one in the first place.

Wondering if that's the norm?

And appreciate the response![/QUOTE]Meet & Greets are usually the closing moment, you have usually exchanged messages with them over the last week or so before meeting. During the meeting I go over the amount they want for PPM or text them right after the meet if PPM didn't come up. I'll offer for ex. $400 for the first meet & then $300 going forward.

The next meet up is usually dinner & back to the hotel or we meet at my house.

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6892625]Oh, not 20 $ lunch isn't the issue. My question is mainly people asking for more meet and greets? For example, let's say we go to Atlas and I cover the tab obviously. Then the conversation lately has been "I'd like to continue meeting and feel out if intimacy would be right for this (SB)" but would like to continue ppms until we get there. Usually never given a timeline and kinda odd to even ask for one in the first place.

Wondering if that's the norm?

And appreciate the response![/QUOTE]Remember the second most important rule: only sugar for sugar. In other words, no $ unless they put out. Period. Full stop.

There's a very common scammer in sugar baby circles called a "rinser". They try to get either PPMs with no intimacy or expensive meet ups at restaurants, shopping trips, etc with no intimacy. Which is why the 2nd most important rule for sugaring is "Only sugar for sugar, and no sugar for no sugar. " In other words, $ is only exchanged once you're intimate.

One of the reasons I make most of my meet and greets coffee dates. It usually filters out the rinsers.

The first most important rule: never pay in advance.

[BLUE]I'm fucking done with a few of you guys on this thread. Some of you are higher maintenance than strippers.

If you got a bunch of infractions today your account has been placed in moderation which means a responsible adult needs to read what you write before anybody else can see it. If you keep being a dick on this thread I'm going to get rid of you.

If you enjoy this forum I would suggest taking this seriously.

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[QUOTE=DiscreetMeet;6890633][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/586e948f-e17d-47eb-a5f3-9b46b68021b2[/URL]

Does anyone have info on this one (or pair, it seems)? If so, would you be willing to DM some contact info?

Thanks!

DM.[/QUOTE]I guess you like to live dangerously. Face tattoos are about the biggest red flag there is. And that one has even more than that. Well good luck and godspeed.

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6892423]For those who go through ppms rather than allowances.

How do you navigate ppms? For example, if you have an SB that's open to intimacy but after some time of regular meets. What is the line that draws it for you?

For example, ppms are pay per meet, not PPF pay per fuck haha. So are you all just doing ppms to just splurge until they hopefully say they're ready? Or do you meet and start ppms after intimacy?[/QUOTE]It depends on what you are looking for, and certainly some guys are looking for platonic dates, or regular dates with some occasional sex.

But safe to say, most of us on here are looking for PPF and the girls know that and it's what most of them are offering. So just screen the ones out who aren't willing to do what you are looking for, on the timetable that you are looking for. I will do a free meet and greet, but if I'm giving them any $$ then their clothes are already off.

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