whats wrong with this state
I don't know why they are focesing so much on the amps. When there is a hugh heroin problem in this state. And a growing homeless population. I guess those things are not as important as men having a good time.
As far as them being human slaves or what ever they are called there is one spa in pawtucket that I go too where the girls are allowed out side I have smoked a cigarrett with one of them whats stoping her from jumping in my van. In my opinion the state should mind there own business.
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[quote=psyberzombie]posted , with·out any editorializing by me , from today's pro·jo =► [providence journal][/quote]
[quote][size=4][b]one business r.i. can do without[/b][/size]
01:00 am edt on tuesday, april 10, 2007
edward achorn
[font=courier][size=2]people who say prostitution is a victimless crime don’t know much about the asian women working in the 100 or so brothels throughout rhode island.[/quote]
the 100 or so brothels if not enormously exaggerated must include striptease clubs where the strippers are almost 100% white, black, and hispanic. it probably includes incall/outcall services which here seem to be also nearly 100% white, black, or hispanic. it certainly includes massage parlors. there are 199 massage listings in the state [under yellow pages dot com], but the great majority are non asian and/or do not offer any sexual services. of the 100 or so brothels only 10 to 12 or so predominantly employ asian women. if this is an anti prostitution diatribe it should not be predominantly about asians at all. if it is about ins issues then the 100 or so brothels are irrelevant, and asian working conditions in other industries need to be cited.
[quote]such women, police and experts say, are typically brought to america under false pretenses — promised husbands, modeling careers, an opportunity to make something of their lives.[/quote]
these "experts" are not unbiased. they are members of law enforcement trying to justify police activities or politicians trying to justify legislative activities. i don't know what the women are told. i would need to hear it from an unbiased source with reliable information before i would find it entirely credible though.
[quote]they find themselves in a strange land, speaking only their own language, trapped in dirty brothels, day and night, fearful of being beaten or killed if they try to leave. and where could they go? they do not trust the police or the social-service network to help them — those are frighteningly foreign, in their eyes.[/quote]
most of this paragraph could refer to any immigrant, and is not particularly germane to asian sex workers. dirty brothels? the dozens of asian ones i've seen have been very cleanly. lord help me if achorn should see my apartment. basically the entire paragraph after trapped is merely inflammatory rhetoric building on the claim that they are trapped. but if the idea is that there are people who keep tabs on them until their passage money is paid off, this again is not particularly a prostitution issue per se. you might almost as well say that i am trapped day and night by my credit card companies and don't know where i could go. i really do not think these women get beaten or killed if they try to leave. most look like they could just walk right out. they make decent money, there are a fair number of korean speakers here, many of the girls speak enough english to get by, and i often see masseuses all by themselves in the smaller spas.
[quote]they serve men with their bodies from the time they get up until they go to sleep.[/quote]
and that's why we love them. seriously, they do apparently get days off and regular breaks from work. often if i go in a little before noon they seem to be just getting up. some places close at 10 pm or even earlier. i'm sure they get some time off on their work days too. they need time for hair, nail, tanning appointments, etc., after all.
[quote]they sleep on filthy mattresses and cook from sterno cans in a back room.[/quote]
baloney. they are always doing laundry. i've seen the girls napping - but on fresh linens. i've seen them eating - but it is take-out from dunkin' donuts, the local chinese restaurant, etc.
[quote]they are essentially slaves.[/quote]
yeah, and i'm essentially a slave to my job. so what are you going to do for me, achorn?
[quote]many of them are ****d when they arrive, in the bloom of girlhood — as worthy of a beautiful life as my daughter, or yours. in a few years, they have become hardened, brutalized, beaten down, addicted to drugs, afflicted by sores, infected with disease. some receive a death sentence of aids.[/quote]
are all these ****d girls being hidden in rhode island? because there are many complaints from the other 49 states that all the asian masseuses they see are in their 30's to 50's, even 60's. the older ones i've seen have been youthful looking with smooth, unblemished skin, upbeat, fresh as a spring breeze; basically the exact opposite of the achorn contention. how many of these girls has he seen personally? i must admit that many korean women are fiends for cigarettes. is that a drug? i really think that the asian masseuse community here is virtually untouched by aids. for diseases and drug addiction check out the streetwalker forum, also on usa sexguide.
[quote]their line of work feeds into a culture of sleaze, of lawlessness, drugs and violence that corrodes rhode island’s cities.[/quote]
no. these asians are basically squeaky clean. watch out for offal eating muckracking reporters who bed down in pigsties with dishonest political porkers though.
[quote]yet, in the ocean state, brothels are essentially legal, because of a loophole in the state prostitution law that “you could drive a city bus through,” according to michael healey, a spokesman for state atty. gen. patrick lynch. that makes us a highly prized destination for entrepreneurs in the business of human trafficking.[/quote]
my god. this one paragraph might be basically correct. and so what if it is legal? it doesn't seem to have destroyed nevada or much of the rest of the world where prostitution is legal.
[quote]among all the glaring signs of this beautiful state’s civic dysfunction — its perpetually corrupt politics, its fat and greedy special interests, its high taxes and mediocre public schools, its struggling economy and opposition to such job generators as a thriving port, its hardcore addiction to gambling dollars — its endorsement of prostitution behind closed doors surely burns bright.[/quote]
let me see if i got this straight? forget kids growing up to be stupid, addicted, violent criminals. forget politicians and special interests with their hands in my pockets. that's not important. one mutually consenting adult gives another one in private $50 to milk a little jism out of his penis - something thoroughly safe and probably beneficial. that last is the main cause of any and all of rhode island's woes?
[quote]a truly compassionate people would step in to stop the abuse.[/quote]
ok. i know a "legitimate" masseuse who will probably want to firebomb the newspaper offices when she hears achorn seems to be calling her a prostitute working in a brothel. and maybe we can set quintin tarantino loose in the state capital.
[quote]joanne giannini is trying. a democratic representative from providence, wife of a retired policeman of 25 years, she has fought since 2005 to ban brothels in rhode island. last year, her bill passed the house, only to be killed by the senate, apparently on the grounds that women would suffer if brothels were made illegal.[/quote]
a politician, a policeman, and a reporter. now there is a menage a trois made in hell.
[quote]she disagrees, passionately.[/quote]
does she have an orgasm?
[quote]“most of my bills are regarding children and the most vulnerable. these young women are among the most vulnerable,” ms. giannini said.[/quote]
so she is proposing taking away their livelihood and arresting them and/or deporting them back to somewhere they'll have a worse lifestyle?
[quote]yet, a hearing last week on her bill to ban brothels brought out far more opposition than support. opponents said the bill would unfairly target women, though ms. giannini’s bill outlines penalties for brothel owners and customers as well as prostitutes. much of the discussion seemed to center on whether prostitution should be illegal at all in rhode island. that wasn’t even the point, ms. giannini noted. that question has been settled — just not in brothels.[/quote]
i think the point is on the top of ms giannini's head. let me call her gia ninny.
[quote]ms. giannini was shaken by the response.[/quote]
"they don't all love me, they really don't all love me."
[quote]“i didn’t sleep all night,” she said the next day. “i don’t want to hurt these young women. i want to help these young women.”[/quote]
good. pay them for a massage. just don't be too rough.
[quote]senate majority leader teresa paiva weed indicated a chilly reception awaits the idea in that chamber, which has killed it in the past.
“the concern i’ve always had has been that by focusing on the women on this issue, we are only focusing on half the problem,” she told the journal. “i’d rather see better enforcement of the laws that are on the books.”[/quote]
believe it or not, not all politicians are totally taken in by propaganda and kneejerking politics. but does she have libertarian leanings that she can't express too openly while in public office. or will she be amenable to a bill that targets us mongers. for now our indoor mongering in rhode island seems to be legal.
[quote]unbelievable. how can the police go after the (predominately male) brothel owners and operators, and get the women into social services that can help them, if prostitution in brothels is legal? the current approach — of trying to slap them with violations of nuisance or building code ordinances — plainly isn’t working.[/quote]
unbelievable. how can achorn twist the facts so much and so often and keep a responsible newspaper job? amp ownership can be hard to trace, but the mamasans who operate them are women. i think there is one male "papasan." the current approach achorn had so much hope for is discriminatory harassment.
[quote]“legitimate people are running businesses in providence every day who do the right thing. these other people are making $20,000 a month on these brothels,” mrs. giannini said. “i think the people of rhode island don’t want this going on. they don’t want these girls being brought in like this.”[/quote]
what is this, anti rich people propaganda? wny doesn't she go after bill gates. i don't know what the people of rhode island want, but as a politician gia ninny should want to uphold the constitution and the bill of rights.
[quote]clearly, though, there are people who want the brothels to thrive.[/quote]
"me, me" says double nickle, hopping up and down.
[quote]to get an idea of how much money is at stake, just glance at the extraordinary number of graphic sex ads in a weekly newspaper distributed locally.[/quote]
he surely is referring to the providence phoenix. i don't have the current issue, but the statistics are probably about the same as the back issue i do have in hand. yes, there are quite a few graphic sex ads. but few of them are for asian places. i count 112 ads in the adult section, not counting the erosphere personals which have another 59 ads. very likely this is where achorn gets his figure of 100 or so brothels throughout the state. the erosphere personals only have one asian listing - for a korean tv. entre nous has one ad for an asian escort. there are 9 listings under spas. it is uncertain whether all are asian or whether all offer sexual services. word is that most spas in rhode island offering sexual services only offer hand jobs. two well known rhode island spas offering extras are not listed. they are probably well enough known not to need to advertise. no other asian ads occur. the point is that achorn's entire article proselytizes against amps. but his statistics are for all adult services, of which amps are probably less than a tenth part. dishonest? you bet.
[quote]could any of that money be wielding influence at the state house? or has prostitution, along with gambling, become rhode island’s idea of economic development?[/quote]
i don't know about the 90% of non asian prostitution, but the 10% of asian prostitution probably ought to take over the newspaper and the state house. they would be so much better at running things.
[quote]the business is vicious and it is destroying the lives of our fellow human beings. years after this problem first came to light, rhode island still refuses to ban houses of prostitution that rely on human trafficking, hoarding dollars from human misery.[/quote]
which business are you referring to acorn head, asian or non asian. let us hope that rhode island remains a safe haven for mongers.
[quote]that is an embarrassment to every citizen. or it should be.[/quote]
you are.
[quote]edward achorn is the journal’s deputy editorial-pages editor
( [email]eachorn@projo.com[/email] ). [/size][/font][/quote]
too bad for you.
Bravo -- this is too often limited to the echo chamber
Bravo "Sarang Haeyo" (what a clever name!) for speaking to the press.
I am not willing to do that, and just rant here in the echo chamber. But you and the previous posts are SO right on.
Just look at the conditions for women in AAMPs up here in MA compared to the AMPs down there in RI.
Here it is illegal -- there it is not. Here they are mistreated slaves, victims of human trafficking and part of a network of terrorism and organized crime (save for the occasional entrepreneur who goes out on her own -- and even most of them are affiliated.)
Down *there* the girls are not only free to come and go as they please, they commute in from neighboring states!! Here they are rotated out of state every 10 days so they can't escape.
Here is the result of unintended consequences of liberals like Achorn and Giannini. What a crock. They don't know the first thing about what is going on. I wish others would go on the record about this, but I can't.
And where are the other 90 brothels that nobody has ever mentioned???? (10 AMPs and 90 individual incall locations, perhaps?)
