2005 Archived General Reports

Getting it on, in any casino parking garage, is risky business. I used to work at a local casino as security and I lived for that moment, creeping up on obvious cars.

First, don't believe the thing about "parking near cameras" what a laugh, I work (upstairs) and we have "zoom" capabilities. You don't know where we are looking at you from, I have looked at couples from the casino roof unto the garage because it gave me a better angle.

There are obvious signs, like Desert Dude said, parking on a roof?, and then there is no one around? Double no-no. Once that car hits the roof, security is already suspect of it. There are occasions where people who love their cars will park on the roof for protective reasons.

I could look at a car and tell if there were sombody inside. If it is hot and the car window is down? guess what. If it is cold and you can see the exhaust, once again, trying to stay warm. One thing I found, people don't just sit in their car, they are either doing it, smoking it, or thinking how they lost it.

I like to pass info. to my fellow mongers because I want to see us stay safe.
I posted a thread earlier, letting out of towners know, that in the state of Nevada, sex in public is a felony. Some people have been convicted, its not worth getting a conviction like that, being careless. If you have to do the deed, check your surroundings thoroughly.

Heidi Fleiss is moving to Crystal(80 miles from vegas) about 20 miles from Pahrump. She is setting up a brothel-get this, for women. She is looking for "a few good men". She may not get the license(or at least is not suppose to) because she is a convicted felon from the 90's when she ran a madam escort service. It served the rich and famous who wanted to keep their flings secret, some paid $10k.

This is one where some friends here will just have to agree to disagree in a friendly way. I am probably more suspicious and cautious about some aspects of this business than others want to be, and I guess it's a matter of personal comfort level and individual judgment about acceptable risks, but for myself I don't like the parking garage plan at all.

In my experience it varies from property to property, but there is enough surveillance of them to make me uncomfortable with the probability of having issues with public safety folks, but not nearly enough for me to consider it safe from getting rolled by a psycho-pimp boyfriend or a dumb sleazy opportunist. No shortage of either hanging ‘round in Vegas, shadowing hookers and their dates. I am aware of several recent (unpublicized) instances of people getting violently robbed, and in at least two cases killed, in casino parking garages, as well as the ho-hum everyday occurrence of break-ins and theft and mugging and snatching and jacking and assaults which are more common there than folks in the industry want to admit. Clearly it is not "safe" from that standpoint, and least not enough for me. In fact the act of parking and going to and from my car is what I consider the most vulnerable position I routinely put myself in, as much as traveling to LA and cruising certain streets in Compton and Watts. But then I'm probably more cautious and controlling in these matters than many, so take all the opinions into account in making a judgment.

Most casinos try to patrol and monitor their parking facilities for a variety of reasons, including trying to limit their potential liability in a civil suit following any harm ("we did everything we could to protect the poor drunk fool, ah, the deceased") that may come to their guests, and people do get arrested for stuff in garages as a result of their surveillance. I have been politely questioned by security folks many times in parking areas while doing nothing illegal or outrageous, and I'd be happy if they did more of it at some properties. I am aware of one garage that is an exception to my personal rule, but I happen to know in great detail exactly what the security situation is at that one particular property, and I don't want to discuss it in this forum.

In a more general way, I do not like anything about the idea of taking a hooker's suggestion of where to go. Whether it is a room or a garage or an alley or the Garden of Eden, I believe that single act more than any other vastly increases the risks in this game. I won't say I've never done it, 'cause I have, but I'm very reluctant and very suspicious of anyone who wants to direct me to a spot of THEIR choosing upon first meeting. If I do so, I have given up a great deal of my control of the situation. Think it through, and most unpleasant stuff that can happen requires willingness to give up the choice of location and control of the environment and who-all might actually become part of that environment and/or leave it and me without my invitation.

I have pre-selected spots around town which I have determined in advance to be MY safe, discrete, politely private places for parking. With one unique exception none of them are in garages or on a gaming property, and I will not even use one of them which is too near the spot where I have picked up a SW. I'm paying, so I'll call the tune and we'll have to go to a place convenient for me, which is intentionally NOT a place too convenient for her or any of her associates. If I'm spending a C-note or more then I consider the cost of a room, again of MY choosing and not hers, to be acceptable overhead along with gas and a beverage and handi-wipe towlettes. If she starts giving me orders and directions even before getting the money, I consider that a bad sign that she's a wrong number anyway. If I wanted power struggles over money and sex and where to go and what to do I'd just get married and get that every damn day. Some of these girls use their customers as an opportunity to express their emotional issues with power and men and control and stuff, and I want them to pay me if they're going to do that. It starts with "we're gonna go here honey" and if that's a problem for her, we are done, goodbye and good luck.

On the specific situation mentioned by the original poster, I'm not surprised that some gaming security folks might be cordial with some working girls. Hell, a dear friend of mine who performs that kind of service for a living has had a regular weekly thing going with a guy on the security staff of a downtown gaming property for several years now. I have also never heard of a single instance of a reverse sting of a customer by LE inside a major gaming property. Busting the girls, yes many times, but I’m not aware of the reverse INSIDE a casino. On the other hand, I believe in the rule that if it feels hinky somehow, it probably is, and it is wise for me to stop what I'm doing. Until the day when there is only one hooker left in Vegas and I have been told I have only 24 hours to live, I believe it is best for me to only put myself in situations which I am confident meet all of my selected criteria, or just throw her back and remain locked and loaded for tomorrow and the night after.

Just one opinion, sift through them all and make an individual judgment based on personal comfort level. But I don't foresee any sudden dire shortage of hookers or hotels requiring me to take a chance today for fear that there won't be another in Vegas tomorrow, and I won't be taking parking directions from any of them.

I appreciate and respect the opinions of Wastrel and Guady who've countered my endorsement of casino parking. Caution and safety are good things. And maybe circumstances are a little different in LV. My recommendation is based on years of experience in Atlantic City, my primary mongering town. I visit Vegas often and occasionally use casino parking there but in LV I usually monger away from the Strip.

Casino parking is my much preferred option in AC, although it's not one I'm eager to publicize. For me, security is one of the main benefits. In AC I like my chances of avoiding violence (robbery by the girl, her associates, or some passing opportunist) a whole lot more in a casino lot than in any other public place in town. Just on that basis alone, my stress level about the situation goes down a lot. I flat out feel physically safe -- always.

As for casino security, as I said in my original post obviously we don't want to be stupid about it. To Wastrel's point, I've developed preferences. Over time, you learn things about certain parking lots and security situations that make them more preferred than others. As to Guady's comment regarding camera's yeah I know they can zoom from a distance. But if you're in a car and park between two SUVs and know the location of the cameras, you can certainly reduce the danger.

But the other point is, when mongering I'm mostly concerned about LE. I almost never (maybe never) see LE walking or driving around an AC casino lot. No disrespect, but my level of worry with casino security is not on the same scale. I'm not planning on sitting there banging a girl for hours. I'm in and out (so to speak) in a brief amount of time. If a civilian or even security walks nearby, I don't feel in immediate jeopardy as I would somewhere else. I just pause or calmly take my business elsewhere. I don't think (or find) that hassling someone in a car who parks normally, doesn't leave the car, and exits the property in a short amount of time is a priority issue at most casinos.

Funny story...

Many years ago (close to 20) a I went to the Imperial Palace with my then girlfriend. On the way out it dawned on us both that we wanted to fuc& each other's brains out. There was this elevator that afforded no privacy in the garage area. I think it was the one that used to go towards the car display.

Anyway - we were at it hot and heavy. I mean to say on the floor going at it like we were at home. The door opened and we crawled/rolled out onto the landing. Sometime thru it all we noticed the cameras.

We always wondered if it was just dumb luck that security didn't show up until we were re-dressed and on our way. He showed up with a small smirk on his face - not as big as ours but there never the less.

In a post 9-11 world I don't think I would expect a free ride till the end anymore, if security was aware of the situation. Security, for the most part, is going to shoo you away and off the property. Unless it's one of those gung-ho idiots that think a badge (& gun) is the same as being God for the day.

If they notice you pulling in and not leaving the vehicle that would present itself as suspicious circumstances and they will follow up on it. A trip to the usually empty roof levels will usually flag you out as well. It's out of the ordinary as far as behaviour. That's what gets attention. Unless. of course, it's a shift or house whose Security Department feels their primary purpose is to drink coffee all nite.

I've spent many a time zooming in on a pair nice firm breasts with erect nipples inside of a low-cut blouse floundering around on a 21 table. I've chased people out of pool areas that were fuc&!ng under a towel. It's a public access area and that makes it an activity that puts security in the position to move you on. A good security person will assess the situation and current environment. Otherwise,without the possibility of numerous customer complaints, - hell they're liable to print out a freeze frame for the office.

Bear in mind that surveillance rooms are not usually manned in the smaller casinos. Being manned is a gaming requirement dependant upon class which is determined by revenue. The "lower" class (B&C) will have 24 recording capabilities and limited access to that area (logged in & out and only permitted, gaming control approved, personnel) , but not usually a pair of eyes.

Then you always have "Detex" rounds where a scheduled & programmed patrol is mandatory. Liability for a casino is a funny thing. It's not the lawsuits that add up, it's the out of court settlements thru the corporate lawyers that get the attention. And they all get their sh!tload share of them. The idea is to keep it all out of court. Detex rounds prove the presence of security at certain points and certain intervals. Insurance companies eat that up. Those rounds take away a lot of the negligence issues by proving the physical presence of security.

But, for the most part, I wouldn't worry too much about security if you're "hidden" from the public. At best they show you the exit and try to emabarrass you. Some might even try to horn the broad themselves as a trade-off; risking their job in the process.

As far as security & CWs - I posted before about the general views on that. As long as the girls are cool and stealthy and the pick-ups aren't liquid stupid, they'll get by. The pit mainly wants their clientle to spend their moneey on the tables and if the girl keeps them there to spend it, they get a star. If they pul a player off the game while he's holding a lot - they could run into some resistance. "I hear you doing that again and you'll be back at the Stage Door".

For those mongers visiting from out of town, be careful how this town is run.

All major casinos have surveillance cameras and most of the smaller ones. The minute you come onto the property, whether by foot or car, you are being recorded. They have "real time" in which they may follow you, for whatever reason, and they always have their archives.

Don't underestimate security, they have "citizens arrest" abilities "like everybody else", but they put it to use. Scenerio- couple parked in a car, going at it. They are noticed, surveillance gets the video evidence, security rolls up, done. Can't beat that in court.

I was told the parking garage was the highest crime area of a casino. They know you have money going in (to gamble) and they think you have a jackpot coming out. If you are in a compromising position, the bad guys have one up on you. If people knew what was happening in casino garages, more people would valet.

One last note for out of towners, these girls are wise. Alot of them will trick roll you, because they know nothing will happen to them. If she steals, lets say, $1k from you and you catch her, are you going to take her to court?
Probably not, her lawyer will be the first to point out why you where with her, then you have to argue it was your money, not hers.

Oh, don't forget, you have to fly back, get a hotel, take time off from work.
She knows you are not going to fight her over that money, your wife might want to go with you this time, to see if you win the case.

Be careful when you are with cw's and especially if you have two girls. Never take a shower without her, if you are drunk, pass for the night. I have heard stories of girls robbing johns of $20k and more. If they are caught, they just give it back and pretty much go on their way, its worth a try.

[QUOTE=Guady1]
CW's will tell you to go to your car if you don't have a room but you have to realize most of them have a record so they don't care if you get caught. Sex in public in Nevada is a FELONY.[/QUOTE]


Here are the relevant sections from the Nevada Revised Statutes =


[b] NRS 201.210 Open or gross lewdness; penalty.[/b]

1. A person who commits any act of open or gross lewdness is guilty:

(a) For the first offense, of a gross [red]misdemeanor.[/red]

(b) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

2. For the purposes of this section, the breast feeding of a child by the mother of the child does not constitute an act of open or gross lewdness.

[Part 1911 C&P § 195; A 1921, 112; NCL § 10142]—(NRS A 1963, 63; 1965, 1465; 1967, 476; 1973, 95, 255, 1406; 1977, 866; 1979, 1429; 1983, 206; 1991, 1008; 1995, 127, 1199, 1327; 1997, 2501, 3188)


[b]NRS 201.220 Indecent or obscene exposure; penalty.[/b]

1. A person who makes any open and indecent or obscene exposure of his person, or of the person of another, is guilty:

(a) For the first offense, of a gross [red]misdemeanor.[/red]

(b) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

2. For the purposes of this section, the breast feeding of a child by the mother of the child does not constitute an act of open and indecent or obscene exposure of her body.

[Part 1911 C&P § 195; A 1921, 112; NCL § 10142]—(NRS A 1965, 1465; 1967, 476; 1973, 96, 255, 1406; 1977, 867; 1979, 1429; 1983, 206; 1991, 1008; 1995, 127, 1200, 1327; 1997, 2501, 3189)


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Seeing as how Casino properties have the heaviest surveillance on Earth , using the garage is obviously gonna pose some risks

How·ever , according the FBI's Manual on Street Prostitution — and the Experience of Yours Truly — the average
Car Date lasts only [u]ten minutes[/u] , so why NOT give it a shot ??

[QUOTE=Cienega32]...for the most part, I wouldn't worry too much about security if you're "hidden" from the public. At best they show you the exit and try to emabarrass you.... As long as the girls are cool and stealthy and the pick-ups aren't liquid stupid, they'll get by. The pit mainly wants their clientle to spend their moneey on the tables and if the girl keeps them there to spend it, they get a star. If they pul a player off the game while he's holding a lot - they could run into some resistance. [/QUOTE]
Cienga32 summarizes my perspective perfectly. Thanks also to Psyber Zombie and Desert Dude for weighing in. While I appreciate Guady's attempt to offer tips to out-of-towners, I'm not exactly seeing much in his scattered truisms that any brain-active monger doesn't already know. I've been doing this for awhile in slightly grittier places than Vegas casinos. Guady seems to suggest out-of-towners need to factor in a whole new set of rules for mongering in LV to deal with the heightened levels of danger, deceitful providers, rampant casino parking lot crime, and paradoxically to that last point, the extraordinary vigilance of casino parking lot security.

I've probably visited Vegas 50 times in the past 10 years -- most of the time arriving not on the back of a turnip truck. Somehow I've missed out on all this drama. Logistics of pickups and parking seem to work pretty much the same there as other places -- with the exception that the presence of casino parking lots in places like AC and LV adds a reasonably safe alternative for doing the deed, one that is not available on the mean streets of most U.S. cities. I'll let the topic drop at this point because I'd just as soon not have a bunch of mongers joining me in parking lots and ruining a good thing.

[QUOTE=Guady1]
I was told the parking garage was the highest crime area of a casino. They know you have money going in (to gamble) and they think you have a jackpot coming out. If you are in a compromising position, the bad guys have one up on you. If people knew what was happening in casino garages, more people would valet. [/QUOTE]

Casino Properties are probably the *safest* places on Earth , G·1 = BE·CAUSE of the fact that EVERY·THING there is caught on tape

Can any·one here post a link to a Story in , say , the L·V SUN , about a mugging / robbery / rape / murder in one of these Major Strip Casinos Garages ??

[QUOTE=Mike 80]I'll let the topic drop at this point[/QUOTE]After dismissively slamming the other poster who's opinion doesn't match yours. You're quite welcome to disagree, as some friends here have, but I sure don't care for that method of doing so.

I haven't "missed that drama." Am I "off the turnip truck?" They are prime high crime areas and magnets for opportunistic thugs, and they are patrolled for just that reason. Find it paradoxical if you wish, I don't, it's what I see. My particular turnip truck has for years travelled to Los Angeles and parked with SWs in selected spots in the most notorious ghetto, but won't do the same thing in a Las Vegas casino garage, becuase I find them to be simultaneously more patrolled and more dangerous places to have my pants down. It may be a dumb place to mug someone, but there doesn't seem to be an intelligence test to join the street creep union. Perhaps it is a little different than Atlantic City, I wouldn't know about that. This is a city of a million and a half people, including many who've not earned their boy scout good citizenship merit badge.

Do what you feel comfortable with, but I have been questioned by security on one occasion while cleaning my windshield and another while briefly checking my drive belts to investigate a noise, and also know of two killings during robberies in casino parking within the last six months, as well as having to personally ask a group of surly menacing bandana clad dudes to please finish smoking their little glass pipe a few feet further down so I can back my car out of it's space at the Flamingo. I have had a few serious close scrapes in the past just going to my car from the casino when I was not attentive to my environment, and I take precautions there, not a special feeling of unique safety. I think I may be just a little bit familiar with the subject too, and I may have been seen here and there around Vegas, oh, at least once or twice perhaps. Trick rolls are very common in LV, and one should not think there is some magical immunity on casino land. Ask the family of the man killed while having his car jacked at the Bellagio.

P.S. to PZ, Here you go:

[SIZE=5]Police seek shooter of man killed in Palms parking lot[/size]
[B]Las Vegas police say prostitution might be factor in incident[/b]
By FRANK CURRERI
REVIEW-JOURNAL

A 38-year-old man was gunned down Tuesday morning in front of the Palms.

Authorities are investigating whether prostitution played a role in the slaying, the second outside the hotel in two years.

[url]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Apr-27-Wed-2005/news/26387097.html[/url]

Don't expect to get what you just requested very often. This incident is unusual in that it was allowed to get into the public press in Las Vegas. The industry usually prevents that kind of publicity, unless there is a celebrity involved and it is publicized elsewhere. Casinos are more significant to local media advertising departments than all other industries combined. They are not usually in the Vegas press. The poor tourist slaughtered at the Bellagio was buried in a paragraph in the back pages, and a string of serial muggings in garages was killed in print, and when the police description of the prolific suspect was allowed to be mentioned on one broadcast station they omitted locations to avoid naming casinos in an unfavorable context.

The most heavily survielled place on earth DOES NOT equal the safest.

P.P.S. You got me curious about how many of the incidents that I know about have made the local press. The answer is not many, in fact none of them that I have some direct knowlege about, just those with some special "hook" to make them more newsworthy or hard to ignore than usual. The R-J no longer permits free use of it's archives beyond a week, but a quick check did allow me to call up some abstracts, and you'll have to pay for complete access. The R-J has now absorbed the Sun. Here's a little sample tour, on-Strip, off-Strip, and downtown:

Date: June 11, 2005
Section: City
Page: 2B
Words: 386

Poker champion details heist attempt at Bellagio
By GLENN PUIT REVIEW-JOURNAL

One of the nation's best poker players told in court Friday how he fended off two robbers trying to steal his $150,000 in gambling chips during an ill-advised attack at Bellagio last year.

Greg "Fossilman" Raymer said he was returning to his hotel room at the Strip resort on Dec. 20 at 2 a.m. with $150,000 in chips in a duffle bag when authorities allege Kevin R. Joy, 35, and Deem Cassim, 31, tried to jump him and force

Date: August 28, 2005
Section: City
Page: 3B
Words: 792

WEEK IN REVIEW: Gunman kills woman in Suncoast parking lot
Ronald Miller stared down the barrel of a gun on Tuesday and didn't beg for mercy. "Go ahead and do it, you son of a *****," Miller recalled telling the armed stranger who ambushed him and his wife in the Suncoast casino parking lot Tuesday morning.

Within seconds, the man made good on his threat to kill and pulled the trigger. Miller's wife, Julie, 68, who he said had offered the gunman money, lay dying in the Henderson couple's


Date: April 22, 2005
Section: City
Page: 3B
Words: 217

Man sought in series of assaults, robberies
REVIEW-JOURNAL Las Vegas police are asking the public for help in identifying a man investigators believe has assaulted and robbed five elderly men since December in downtown Las Vegas.

The suspect, police said, watches elderly men inside resorts and follows them when they proceed to an elevator, police said.

The suspect then has followed the victims as they exit the elevator. He has grabbed them and pushed them to the ground before robbing them, police said.

Here's another possibility that might work for some, though I generally prefer more conventional inexpensive hotel accomodations if I'm into something more than parking. An excerpt from something I previously posted elsewhere:

<SNIP>

[I]I'll give some hints in another direction by quoting some amateur reviews of a place somewhat well known locally: the Oasis Motel at 1731 Las Vegas Blvd South, culled from one of those travel web sites, which I believe are a representative sample of opinion on the establishment:

Date Visited: 04/03 - Bad Visit
DO NOT VISIT THIS MOTEL!!! Rooms are advertized as "Jacuzzi Rooms" - that is why we went there. THE ROOM WAS A DUMP WITH NO JACUZZI (not even a bathtub!) The room was filthy with a door that was coming off of the hinges, wires coming out of the wall, a wobbly bed, an exposed nail sticking out of the headboard, a dripping faucet, and the list could go on and on. We went back to the cashier and she said "sorry no refund". There were no other rooms available and she would not even give a discount. We left this place and stayed at a beautiful suite at the LUXOR instead.

Date Visited: 12/02 - Good Visit
Great place to go to get away from the kids and other family members. This is and Adult Motel it was Adult Tv XXX and thats why we go there we can cut lose and have are fun. Price is right for 3hr slots and they have theme rooms availble.

Rated family friendly: 0%
Rated not family friendly: 100%
Would return: 50%

Amenities:
Casino: No
Restaurant: No
Pool: No
Health Club: No
Pets Allowed: Yes (!)
Convention Facility: No
Motor Coach Group: No

I gather the first reviewer showed up with luggage and paid for an overnight stay expecting to actually sleep there, which probably shocked the bejeesus out of the desk clerk. Pets allowed? Hell, I don't imagine the night desk clerk at the Oasis would notice if you showed up for a threesome with Osama bin Laden, a boa constrictor, and the Queen of England, so long as both Osama and Her Majesty are prepared to present valid picture ID, as required by local ordinance. But arriving with luggage, now that would be suspicious behavior.[/I]

<SNIP & END QUOTE>

If you're feeling snarky you could try asking the clerk for the Stu Ungar memorial "time to fold 'em" suite or the David Strickland special. It's been a favorite place for some well known people to end their time in Vegas by checking out, so to speak. In the same way as the Nicholas Cage character in the film "Leaving Las Vegas."

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The Most Eye·Opening Post of the Year Award goes to [b]Wastrel[/b] , for =

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=399043&postcount=535[/URL]

[QUOTE=PsyberZombie]Casino Properties are probably the *safest* places on Earth , G·1 = BE·CAUSE of the fact that EVERY·THING there is caught on tape

Can any·one here post a link to a Story in , say , the L·V SUN , about a mugging / robbery / rape / murder in one of these Major Strip Casinos Garages ??[/QUOTE]

Just because the story isn't in the paper or on the news doesn't mean it didn't happen. And it won't be public record unless it's reported as a crime to Metro. And even then it might not show up in the news. Not even all caisno robberies are on the news.

Believe it or not I have seen people report to security, AND request metro, the fact that they had called for an escort, and while in the bathroom, the girl would split with the idiot's money - all she could find in the room. "I've been robbed!" - "You've been rolled".


EVERYTHING is NOT caught on tape. Parking surveillence is not mandatory. Patrols, at least, are. The lower the annual revenue of the house the less chance of cameras in every corner. Those "Detex" rounds that I mentioned are a physical record of security presence. If those rounds are performed in a timely manner, the casino liability is reduced greatly, in the eyes of the insurance comapanies.

Surveillence, overall, is a State required concept and it starts with the money and, sometime in the late 80's (courtesy of the 'Shoe), the security office. My philosophy has always been "It's the state's money and they give the casino a kickback". Any aspect of "the money" will have the tightest control and surveilence. From there, the needs of the casino come into play. Exits, elevator doors, etc. Not all have cams IN the elevators, on each floor, or in the parking areas.

Bear in mind that I'm not talking about the Class A casinos. And not all the Class B joints either. The A's and most of the B's will spend the money to give the guests the peace of mind and spread the word. But the Class C houses will be the ones that usually have "minimum requirements" met and a little more to cover their own asses in insurance matters. Those matters aren't mainly for crimes or events but for scams as well. The biggest of which is against the "victim"'s own insurance companies and in cases of "negligent security procedures" against the casino.

People have been known to make claims of being jacked in a garage to cover the fact that they've lost all their money and jewelry (fire sales) on the tables. It helps when they explain to their spouse with a security report and insurance claim. These types of things raise insurance premiums and give the property a bad rep. If it's found that the casino is negligent (history or obvious & blatant disregard), then there's in, or out of, court settlements to deal with.

The rounds are made for a variety of reasons. Potential fire/flood hazards, body dumpings, prowlings, muggings, rapes, suspicious events, etc. Catching someone getting a mutally agreed upon $20 BJ in the front seat is just a bonus and usualy results in a quick verbal 86. Again if you come across a Robo-cop gung ho idiot, and there are many of them, you could end up with a full blown 86 (picture and file) and could result in a no question arrest (probably a citation but I don't know for sure).

Some guys might take you to task to "prove their value" within the department. Some might not see any difference betweent your front seat activities and a vehicle breakin - it's wrong and you did it on their property. Some might just make a report of the event for future reference in case of any associated events relative to you, her, or the vehicle. Some just might try to make you the fool and move you on. Don't know if it holds true anymore, but some might move you and negotiate their own BJ with the HO.

Most security department learn the "Powers of Arrest" from Metro. This is needed to prevent lawsuits, charges of unlawful detention, and reduces liabity for the casino. Sadly, many of those Robo-cop types see that as being a mini-cop and play cops & robbers with that "self-empowerment".

This being a "post 9-11" world, and being the concept behind Las Vegas makes it a perfect target, the security methods are heightned a lot more than they used to be. It used to be just a "property protection" type concept. Now's it's a "We're in this together" type attitude thru-out town.

That and the fact that every security guard in the world now wants to be the one that made the big life/property saving score makes a post 9-11 world a little different than it used to be.

One of my first days of work in Las Vegas, somewhere in 81 I think it was, found me in a bit of a wise-guy type house. Being from the land of wise-guys, I figured I would try something on my own.

After flagging the broad as a potential & new CW, I struck up a conversation with her. She told me about herself and her rates (this was 81 remember). I suggested that perhaps we could work out an arrangement between herself and her friendly security guard (me).

Her expression instantly turned to one of dispair and she fumbled in her little street walker purse. She then said, "I don't know what to do - I already have to give this guy 20%". Then she handed me the swing shit pit boss's business card.

I knew the guy, he confirmed her statement and we later had a good laugh over it.

I never was able to negotiate any bargain prices with her.

[QUOTE=Cienega32]She then said, "I don't know what to do - I already have to give this guy 20%".[/QUOTE]So if the poor girl met half a dozen friendly helpful guys she could end up going into debt every time she did a date.