Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3117333]The best advice I can give anyone reading this board is to NOT EVER TRUST ANYBODY YOU ARE PAYING FOR SEX. DO NOT let them drive your car. DO NOT loan them money. DO NOT let them know where you really live. DO NOT give them your real phone number. DO NOT do anything that feels sketchy to you. You never know who these chicks know, who may get a hold of them, or what type of tight spot they may be put in. You are not their friend remember. They may be YOUR friend but you are a PAYCHECK to them. If you were their friend you wouldn't HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM. Think long and hard about that last statement. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]No truer words ever spoken. I have more than 30 years of experience, and in that time I met one. ONE. Who I truly believed was a friend. That was until she took my money (not a lot, but that doesn't matter) and demanded payment for 'extra' time she'd spent with me. They will listen, laugh at your jokes, take your cum in their hair, but they will always. ALWAYS. Be interested in one thing only: your money.

And, you never know what they're real story is. Some are wanted by police, some have unseen boyfriends / pimps / handlers, others are just plain crazy. That 'soccer mom' might be dealing drugs.

I've had many great experiences over the years. Met some nice people. But never, ever get too close.

Have fun and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3117597]No truer words ever spoken. I have more than 30 years of experience, and in that time I met one. ONE. Who I truly believed was a friend. That was until she took my money (not a lot, but that doesn't matter) and demanded payment for 'extra' time she'd spent with me. They will listen, laugh at your jokes, take your cum in their hair, but they will always. ALWAYS. Be interested in one thing only: your money.

And, you never know what they're real story is. Some are wanted by police, some have unseen boyfriends / pimps / handlers, others are just plain crazy. That 'soccer mom' might be dealing drugs.

I've had many great experiences over the years. Met some nice people. But never, ever get too close.

Have fun and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Yep, truer words have never been spoken! I refuse to date or get close relationship wise with "active" providers, many have way too much unnecessary drama in their lives.

[QUOTE=BBLove;3116825]I'll give you guys a little history. This girl named Kim H answered a CL ad that I posted this past spring. She was cool giving head in my car for whatever I could spare. She emailed me using her real email address and name. I picked her up at her house on Rockingwood Ct in Riverdale. She was well put together wearing a nice dress and really suspicious of me being the police. She didn't want the neighbors seeing anything so we drove to the econo lodge and parked in the back. She proceeded to give me some excellent head while letting me play with her tits and pussy. (No panties or bra under her dress) She swallowed every drop, I gave her 30 bucks which she was pleased with then dropped her back home. She gives great head, licking the balls stopping and flicking her tongue around the tip. Really top notch stuff.

She said she works at the airport and needs to keep the playing on the dl. She said she has a daughter in college and a son in middle school. She said she uses the extra $$ to buy her son school clothes or pay her car insurance. I picked her up and received this amazing head about 7 or 8 times over the summer. It was always good stuff and the same routine. One time when she was in the car she answered a call from her insurance company and made a payment using her debit card and told the agent her name which was the same name she emailed me from.

Anyway while I enjoyed our time, I got a little bored with the same thing so much and I hadn't called her in about a month. So today I got the itch for some cheap head and sent her a text, "Are you available today?" She quickly responded,"yes. " Then I said, "cool can I pick you up at 12?" She responded "Dang I won't be home then. Sorry" I said, "what time will be good for you?" She said "I'm at the Baymont Inn on old nat all day. " Hmmm she has never been at a hotel before and as far as I knew she was clean. Then I got another text, "how much are you trying to spend?" I responded "30. " She said "ok. " After a few minutes she said "well you going to come or not?" She was never pushy before and never asked about $$ before. I played along and said, "are you cool with a car date?" She responded, "yes, anything for my buddy" I felt like that was a weird response but whatever. I texted "cool I can be there at 12:00". She said "can you make it 12:30?" I said "ok" and started driving to lunch, it was 11:30 at that time. Then 5 minutes later she texted "can you come now?" I said sure and started toward old nat. Then like 2 minutes later she texted "hurry up I stayed here for you. " I told her that I would be there in less than 5 minutes. Then right as I was getting off the exit she texted "pull up to the door and hand me the money so I can run in and pay for the room. " I turned right and drove right past the Baymont and texted "Nah. " Then I was pissed and texted her "I changed my mind, you never tried to hustle me before. That's messed up. " She responded "not hustling you. I'm down here now. You can come up. " 2 minutes later "only stayed to see you. Come up get comfy for a change. Please. " 30 seconds later "I never hustled you believe in karma. Please. I'm not ready to leave. I waited on you. " Then I responded, "I'm not coming up to your room to get set up or robbed. I enjoyed the times that I have seen you but I will never be seeing you again. " She responded "wow. Thought we established trust. Wow. Understand. " Then 10 minutes later, "an plus I believe in karma. We would have both went to jail. Take care. ".

I was like WTF. So what do you guys think? Does it sound like I was about to get robbed, set up or am I just being overly cautious. It sucks when you have a long term utr that does you like that. On that note I wonder if a UTR subforum would work. Just to be vague enough to protect the utr's identies but warn or encourage other mongers. I'm sure we all share utr's and we just don't know it.[/QUOTE]Her wanting you to give her money to pay for a room is suspicious. Any time I'm told I have to front a room and pay for it without even going into the hotel to pay for it, I am suspicious. Bad things do come along with some of these girls some times and they want our money to support their bad habits and some times they choose to do a cash and dash rather than fuck for the buck.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3117333]The best advice I can give anyone reading this board is to NOT EVER TRUST ANYBODY YOU ARE PAYING FOR SEX. DO NOT let them drive your car. DO NOT loan them money. DO NOT let them know where you really live. DO NOT give them your real phone number. DO NOT do anything that feels sketchy to you. You never know who these chicks know, who may get a hold of them, or what type of tight spot they may be put in. You are not their friend remember. They may be YOUR friend but you are a PAYCHECK to them. If you were their friend you wouldn't HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM. Think long and hard about that last statement. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice, especially with that last statement. This should not only apply to SW's but to AMP girls as well. You will never know their full story and because of that they will always have the advantage over you if you are thinking with the wrong head. Great advice, Bunnery Sgt.

[QUOTE=BBLove;3116825]I'll give you guys a little history. This girl named Kim H answered a CL ad that I posted this past spring. She was cool giving head in my car for whatever I could spare. She emailed me using her real email address and name. I picked her up at her house on Rockingwood Ct in Riverdale. She was well put together wearing a nice dress and really suspicious of me being the police. She didn't want the neighbors seeing anything so we drove to the econo lodge and parked in the back. She proceeded to give me some excellent head while letting me play with her tits and pussy. (No panties or bra under her dress) She swallowed every drop, I gave her 30 bucks which she was pleased with then dropped her back home. She gives great head, licking the balls stopping and flicking her tongue around the tip. Really top notch stuff.

She said she works at the airport and needs to keep the playing on the dl. She said she has a daughter in college and a son in middle school. She said she uses the extra $$ to buy her son school clothes or pay her car insurance. I picked her up and received this amazing head about 7 or 8 times over the summer. It was always good stuff and the same routine. One time when she was in the car she answered a call from her insurance company and made a payment using her debit card and told the agent her name which was the same name she emailed me from.

Anyway while I enjoyed our time, I got a little bored with the same thing so much and I hadn't called her in about a month. So today I got the itch for some cheap head and sent her a text, "Are you available today?" She quickly responded,"yes. " Then I said, "cool can I pick you up at 12?" She responded "Dang I won't be home then. Sorry" I said, "what time will be good for you?" She said "I'm at the Baymont Inn on old nat all day. " Hmmm she has never been at a hotel before and as far as I knew she was clean. Then I got another text, "how much are you trying to spend?" I responded "30. " She said "ok. " After a few minutes she said "well you going to come or not?" She was never pushy before and never asked about $$ before. I played along and said, "are you cool with a car date?" She responded, "yes, anything for my buddy" I felt like that was a weird response but whatever. I texted "cool I can be there at 12:00". She said "can you make it 12:30?" I said "ok" and started driving to lunch, it was 11:30 at that time. Then 5 minutes later she texted "can you come now?" I said sure and started toward old nat. Then like 2 minutes later she texted "hurry up I stayed here for you. " I told her that I would be there in less than 5 minutes. Then right as I was getting off the exit she texted "pull up to the door and hand me the money so I can run in and pay for the room. " I turned right and drove right past the Baymont and texted "Nah. " Then I was pissed and texted her "I changed my mind, you never tried to hustle me before. That's messed up. " She responded "not hustling you. I'm down here now. You can come up. " 2 minutes later "only stayed to see you. Come up get comfy for a change. Please. " 30 seconds later "I never hustled you believe in karma. Please. I'm not ready to leave. I waited on you. " Then I responded, "I'm not coming up to your room to get set up or robbed. I enjoyed the times that I have seen you but I will never be seeing you again. " She responded "wow. Thought we established trust. Wow. Understand. " Then 10 minutes later, "an plus I believe in karma. We would have both went to jail. Take care. ".

I was like WTF. So what do you guys think? Does it sound like I was about to get robbed, set up or am I just being overly cautious. It sucks when you have a long term utr that does you like that. On that note I wonder if a UTR subforum would work. Just to be vague enough to protect the utr's identies but warn or encourage other mongers. I'm sure we all share utr's and we just don't know it.[/QUOTE]No doubt about it, You did the right thing. No telling exactly what, but that was absolutely some kind of set up. Listen to BunnerySgt.

Some of why'all on this thread giving an opinion about not being able to trust anybody that sells sex, bareback any and everything. I would think some level of trust would have to be there to engage in unprotected sex with a woman. I just find that funny. So basically sticking your dick in raw, is ok. Giving the chick money for a room before the session sounds like a set up?

Yea ok.

[QUOTE=GetUrRollOnMan;3118327]Some of why'all on this thread giving an opinion about not being able to trust anybody that sells sex, bareback any and everything. I would think some level of trust would have to be there to engage in unprotected sex with a woman. I just find that funny. So basically sticking your dick in raw, is ok. Giving the chick money for a room before the session sounds like a set up?

Yea ok.[/QUOTE]Giving a chick money for a room in advance is a CLASSIC and BASIC set up. Easily avoided if you opt for the car date at a discount. If you have been doing this for this long I would expect you to know that. Just an FYI smashing a chick raw does not mean you trust her. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that these chicks didn't possibly smash the guy right before you raw. No telling what they have. That's why you get tested. There's always some level of risk in this type of hobby. If I stick my dick in a ho3 raw then I'm accepting the risks that come with that. If I pay a chick up front for a room I should also be accepting the risks that come along with that. The point is that you have all of the information so that you can make your own decision. Nothing to get butt hurt about.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3118830]Giving a chick money for a room in advance is a CLASSIC and BASIC set up. Easily avoided if you opt for the car date at a discount. If you have been doing this for this long I would expect you to know that. Just an FYI smashing a chick raw does not mean you trust her. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that these chicks didn't possibly smash the guy right before you raw. No telling what they have. That's why you get tested. There's always some level of risk in this type of hobby. If I stick my dick in a ho3 raw then I'm accepting the risks that come with that. If I pay a chick up front for a room I should also be accepting the risks that come along with that. The point is that you have all of the information so that you can make your own decision. Nothing to get butt hurt about.[/QUOTE]Not just some random chick that he is meeting for the first time. He has been with her multiple times and knows where she stays. How in Jesus flipping Christ does that sound like a set up? I understand some random broad you call off backpage wants you to pay for the room first hand, I'd understand the heisatation. I got it. Someone that he has been with 8-9 times though? Knows her real name? Knows she has kids? Knows where she stays. Nothing about her actions would scream set up after I have gotten to know her like that. If I recall correctly, he only pays 30 for the session. She wanted to set him up for 30 dollars? LOL.

If you can get spooked in hat situation, I don't know what to tell I'm you. I can think of a couple other situations that would actually spook me. As far as the raw, I would think you at least have the trust that she doesn't have anything. If you going in slinging dick blindly and willing to accept the consequences, than that's your preragative and you really can't trust someone that sells sex.

[QUOTE=GetUrRollOnMan;3119134]Not just some random chick that he is meeting for the first time. He has been with her multiple times and knows where she stays. How in Jesus flipping Christ does that sound like a set up? I understand some random broad you call off backpage wants you to pay for the room first hand, I'd understand the heisatation. I got it. Someone that he has been with 8-9 times though? Knows her real name? Knows she has kids? Knows where she stays. Nothing about her actions would scream set up after I have gotten to know her like that. If I recall correctly, he only pays 30 for the session. She wanted to set him up for 30 dollars? LOL.

If you can get spooked in hat situation, I don't know what to tell I'm you. I can think of a couple other situations that would actually spook me. As far as the raw, I would think you at least have the trust that she doesn't have anything. If you going in slinging dick blindly and willing to accept the consequences, than that's your preragative and you really can't trust someone that sells sex.[/QUOTE]You believe someone who sells ass can be trusted. I believe they cannot. That's pretty much it. We're all entitled to make our own decisions. I'd rather not argue about it.

First and foremost, if I type a rant and it includes an incident that happened to you, please don't think that I'm talking directly to you or about you. I'm just using your post / incident as a reference to get my point across. I just used your post to get my point across since your post is relevent and related to the topic I'm talking about. No, I'm not going to directly call out anyone's name in my rant because your not that important to me. I'm just using your post / incident to get my point across. Capish.

1. First, this isn't forum related but something that recently took place in my outside life. Now, I've been going to my barber downtown for close to a year now, so we've got somewhat of a good relationship. He knows I work on cars so one day he asked me if I could look at something for him. He said that he placed a new compressor in his Ford Expedition but its now leaking. He was supposed to take it to a shop but they wanted to charge him $500 something to do the job but his cheap ass didn't want to pay the price. So, you guessed it. He took out his old compressor, bought a $60 one off ebay and decided he will be his own mechanic and put it in himself. Well bad news, when he put it in, it started leaking and his AC wasn't working. I guess this is where my expertise comes in.

He told me that he believed that he didn't tighten a bolt securely and that's where the leak was coming from. I was reluctant to do it because I know how these type of things usually plays out. Well, he kept hounding me for a few weeks and I finally decided to do it. I told him on Thursday after work I would meet him at an open parking lot on Moreland and tighten that "1" bolt up for him. I just told him that he could give me 2 free $20 haircuts for tightening up the bolt. He agreed. Thursday afternoon comes, its now raining cats and dogs outside. Could you believe that this guy called during the rain storm and told me that he was out there waiting on me in the wide ass open parking lot and asked me if I was still coming. I should have known something was wrong with him then. I then asked him if he doesn't see how hard its raining out there. He replied, "We can just wait it out". Really dude? I'm not trying to get soaking ass wet out there and catch a friggin cold for you. I told him about the situation and we rescheduled for that Saturday in the am, before I had to go to work.

Saturday morning comes and I head over there. He gives me the keys and comes outside with me. I get under the vehicle and try to tighten this bolt for a solid hour while realizing this bolt can not be tighten. I don't really know what was going on as the bolt seemed very tight enough. I didn't really want to do it because I knew what would come next but I told him that I will probably have to take the whole compressor out to see why this bolt is not tightening up. I was a bit pissed but whatever. I just wanted to hurry up and do what I had to do that day. I also had to go to work later that day too. He then assisted me as we took out the radiator, drive belt, splash shields down bottom and eventually the compressor. I also mistakenly cut a wire on his engine oil sensor trying to get his compressor out from the bottom of his expedition. Arggh. More bullshit later.

We got the compressor down and realized that the metal hose part at the end had a crack in it and that's where the leak was coming from. Argg. The bolt I was supposed to tighten was already tightened tighter than a mother, so that was the reason for me not being able to tighten it. Arggh again. Now that the hose part is broken, we now need to get another one at a junk yard. This is why I don't like messing with peoples shit outside the job. Now that his vehicle is undriveable, I now have to take him in my vehicle to the junk yard. We went to about 3 different yards before we could find the part that we were looking for. 3. 5 hours later we're back to his place with the right part. I now realize I have to get to work and just called off so that I could fix this guys shit and get him out of ma face.

We or at least I, got back under the car and he assisted me with getting the compressor back on and everything else tied up in the vehicle. Like 2 hours later everything was done and he paid me some 20 dollars for the work. Hmm. I then told him about the broken wire down bottom and told him that I will get him another engine sensor to the wire back to the harness. For 2 weeks he kept hounding me for the sensor since his check engine light was on and he couldn't pass emissions. I finally found his sensor on ebay and ordered it last week. I told him that I would bring it to him when it arrived and I did just that Monday morning, before work at 6 am. I gave him the sensor and he hands me his car keys. I ask, "why are you handing me your keys". He says, "for you to put it back on for me". I'm saying to myself, it only takes about 10-15 minutes to put it back on and splice the wires together and damn, I got to go to work.

I'm thinking, man look here. You originally wanted me to tighten up "1" bolt and I ended up taking out a whole compressor, alternator belt, radiator, missed a day of work and you can't even put back on a sensor and splice the wires together that will take about 10-15 minutes. Really? I just told him that I had to go to work and left. Later that day, he calls me and leaves a message saying that he's waiting on me to come back and replace the sensor on his ride. I ignore the message but text him 3 days later asking him if he put the sensor back on yet. He text me back with, "your the one that broke it, so I was waiting on you to come put it back on. That's alright. I'll take care of it. Thanks for your help anyways". Wow! Am I in the wrong here. Should I go back under his vehicle and put the sensor back on since I broke it or am I wrong for having him doing it himself?

Help me to understand this because I swore all this man wanted me to do originally was tighten up "1" freaking bolt. Not take down a compressor, remove a radiator, remove a drive belt, go to the junk yard and remove another hose, re-attach the hose, then place the compressor back in his vehicle again all for $60 (2 twenty dollar haircuts and $20 cash, minus a days pay at work). Really? He took his old compressor out and put a new one in himself but can't replace a sensor that takes 10-15 minutes. Really? Chime in if you can.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3120039]
Help me to understand this because I swore all this man wanted me to do originally was tighten up "1" freaking bolt. Chime in if you can.[/QUOTE]I always enjoy when you throw in the line of knowing how bad something is going to turn out, yet still continue down the path anyways. LOL!

This entire experience is understood from the point of "He told me that he believed that he didn't tighten a bolt securely and that's where the leak was coming from. " Keyword is "believed", meaning he doesn't KNOW. I'm not a true mechanic, but I would think if that was all it was, he could have tightened the bolt himself, especially if he installed the part.

Bottom line, since he has no idea of the cause, he is expecting you to figure it out, regardless of whatever the problem is. If you agree to whatever price you arranged, that's kinda on you. I wouldn't have even talked about price until checking out the problem and I wouldn't have done any inspecting until it was convenient for ME. I definitely wouldn't have called off from my primary source of income to work this side job unless I'm making more from the side than my main gig.

From the point that you agree to price and start work, again it is on you if you "break" anything and it is natural to expect for said person to repair it for no additional charge to the original agreement.

LOL! This whole thing seems to parallel all the topics of what to expect from a cheap ($40 or less) escort versus a higher priced one! "What do you mean you want multiple pops and all holes and no clock-watching for $40?" Well, that's what you said in the ad! LOL!

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3120039]First and foremost, if I type a rant and it includes an incident that happened to you, please don't think that I'm talking directly to you or about you. I'm just using your post / incident as a reference to get my point across. I just used your post to get my point across since your post is relevent and related to the topic I'm talking about. No, I'm not going to directly call out anyone's name in my rant because your not that important to me. I'm just using your post / incident to get my point across. Capish.

1. First, this isn't forum related but something that recently took place in my outside life. Now, I've been going to my barber downtown for close to a year now, so we've got somewhat of a good relationship. He knows I work on cars so one day he asked me if I could look at something for him. He said that he placed a new compressor in his Ford Expedition but its now leaking. He was supposed to take it to a shop but they wanted to charge him $500 something to do the job but his cheap ass didn't want to pay the price. So, you guessed it. He took out his old compressor, bought a $60 one off ebay and decided he will be his own mechanic and put it in himself. Well bad news, when he put it in, it started leaking and his AC wasn't working. I guess this is where my expertise comes in.

He told me that he believed that he didn't tighten a bolt securely and that's where the leak was coming from. I was reluctant to do it because I know how these type of things usually plays out. Well, he kept hounding me for a few weeks and I finally decided to do it. I told him on Thursday after work I would meet him at an open parking lot on Moreland and tighten that "1" bolt up for him. I just told him that he could give me 2 free $20 haircuts for tightening up the bolt. He agreed. Thursday afternoon comes, its now raining cats and dogs outside. Could you believe that this guy called during the rain storm and told me that he was out there waiting on me in the wide ass open parking lot and asked me if I was still coming. I should have known something was wrong with him then. I then asked him if he doesn't see how hard its raining out there. He replied, "We can just wait it out". Really dude? I'm not trying to get soaking ass wet out there and catch a friggin cold for you. I told him about the situation and we rescheduled for that Saturday in the am, before I had to go to work.

Saturday morning comes and I head over there. He gives me the keys and comes outside with me. I get under the vehicle and try to tighten this bolt for a solid hour while realizing this bolt can not be tighten. I don't really know what was going on as the bolt seemed very tight enough. I didn't really want to do it because I knew what would come next but I told him that I will probably have to take the whole compressor out to see why this bolt is not tightening up. I was a bit pissed but whatever. I just wanted to hurry up and do what I had to do that day. I also had to go to work later that day too. He then assisted me as we took out the radiator, drive belt, splash shields down bottom and eventually the compressor. I also mistakenly cut a wire on his engine oil sensor trying to get his compressor out from the bottom of his expedition. Arggh. More bullshit later.

We got the compressor down and realized that the metal hose part at the end had a crack in it and that's where the leak was coming from. Argg. The bolt I was supposed to tighten was already tightened tighter than a mother, so that was the reason for me not being able to tighten it. Arggh again. Now that the hose part is broken, we now need to get another one at a junk yard. This is why I don't like messing with peoples shit outside the job. Now that his vehicle is undriveable, I now have to take him in my vehicle to the junk yard. We went to about 3 different yards before we could find the part that we were looking for. 3. 5 hours later we're back to his place with the right part. I now realize I have to get to work and just called off so that I could fix this guys shit and get him out of ma face.

We or at least I, got back under the car and he assisted me with getting the compressor back on and everything else tied up in the vehicle. Like 2 hours later everything was done and he paid me some 20 dollars for the work. Hmm. I then told him about the broken wire down bottom and told him that I will get him another engine sensor to the wire back to the harness. For 2 weeks he kept hounding me for the sensor since his check engine light was on and he couldn't pass emissions. I finally found his sensor on ebay and ordered it last week. I told him that I would bring it to him when it arrived and I did just that Monday morning, before work at 6 am. I gave him the sensor and he hands me his car keys. I ask, "why are you handing me your keys". He says, "for you to put it back on for me". I'm saying to myself, it only takes about 10-15 minutes to put it back on and splice the wires together and damn, I got to go to work.

I'm thinking, man look here. You originally wanted me to tighten up "1" bolt and I ended up taking out a whole compressor, alternator belt, radiator, missed a day of work and you can't even put back on a sensor and splice the wires together that will take about 10-15 minutes. Really? I just told him that I had to go to work and left. Later that day, he calls me and leaves a message saying that he's waiting on me to come back and replace the sensor on his ride. I ignore the message but text him 3 days later asking him if he put the sensor back on yet. He text me back with, "your the one that broke it, so I was waiting on you to come put it back on. That's alright. I'll take care of it. Thanks for your help anyways". Wow! Am I in the wrong here. Should I go back under his vehicle and put the sensor back on since I broke it or am I wrong for having him doing it himself?

Help me to understand this because I swore all this man wanted me to do originally was tighten up "1" freaking bolt. Not take down a compressor, remove a radiator, remove a drive belt, go to the junk yard and remove another hose, re-attach the hose, then place the compressor back in his vehicle again all for $60 (2 twenty dollar haircuts and $20 cash, minus a days pay at work). Really? He took his old compressor out and put a new one in himself but can't replace a sensor that takes 10-15 minutes. Really? Chime in if you can.[/QUOTE]Been down this road many times. I'm not a mechanic by trade but my grandfather owned the first (and still one of the few) heavy machinery repair shops in St. Thomas. I've been around cars all my life so I do most work on my own vehicle myself unless it requires a lift or machinery I don't have. People see this and always ask for favors. I'm done with favors. If its not a sibling, my mother or father, I tell them no. Period. If you want to talk business that's a different story.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3120039]Help me to understand this because I swore all this man wanted me to do originally was tighten up "1" freaking bolt. Not take down a compressor, remove a radiator, remove a drive belt, go to the junk yard and remove another hose, re-attach the hose, then place the compressor back in his vehicle again all for $60 (2 twenty dollar haircuts and $20 cash, minus a days pay at work). Really? He took his old compressor out and put a new one in himself but can't replace a sensor that takes 10-15 minutes. Really? Chime in if you can.[/QUOTE]Same as Delta, I know a thing or two about cars and am good with my hands. Ran into many similar situations as your JM and I always get the shitty end of the stick. Dude should have been grateful you put 4+ hours of free mechanics work and free sensor. (the $20 should have been given to you for gas money from the jump) For the lost of a days work, homie should have said 8 or more free cuts, washed your car, set you up with some free phun-tang and said I got the sensor covered. Funny thing is he probably just lost your business as a client. Ungrateful bum.

Now I am not one to complain much about prices (my range is 40-80 max) because this is a market where if you don't like the cost you shop around until you find your ideal rate. But, of late I've been seeing too many providers on BP asking for crazy numbers and then stating no-negotiations. Um excuse me? Now they are either being controlled by a friendly "partner" or there are hidden rich guys out in the city paying these rates to keep them artificially high. If you are distorting the market because you think this is a once in a lifetime chance to hit a sweet tenderoni STOP. Grow some balls and learn the art of negotiations. Ie if she says 100 hhr tell her no you only have xx and she will either work with you or not but if more people go below her asking price of 100 hhr she will realize this market is not made for that price and adjust accordingly.

This isn't a black or white thing either its starting to be uniformed where they believe they can throw out a random number and get people to go along but sadly some on this board are keeping them alive. I am not one of them though. I don't low ball but I'm not also going to pay inflated prices for some beat up poon.

[QUOTE=ImBroke2;3121103] Now they are either being controlled by a friendly "partner" or there are hidden rich guys out in the city paying these rates to keep them artificially high. If you are distorting the market because you think this is a once in a lifetime chance to hit a sweet tenderoni STOP. Grow some balls and learn the art of negotiations.[/QUOTE]I wholeheartedly agree on both points:

1) Guys with money don't give a shit and artificially inflate prices.

2) Girls with pimps are told by the pimp what to charge.

That said, don't hold your breath. All you can do is exactly what you've been doing so far. I've had to walk away on principle on many occasions, either because the pussy wasn't worth the price or due to a dangerous situation.