"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6860034]A business is privately owned but a public space. It's not the same expectation of privacy in Target, McDonald's, or a big office as in a private home. For example, no one expects to be able to strip naked in their cubicle or the produce aisle. Are signs in your home enough to make the private home space not private? If the signs are only at the front door, my guess is no. Reasonable people would assume they're being filmed out front, not inside. If the signs are prominently displayed in the bedroom or living room where the deed is going down, then maybe, maybe not. However, wouldn't that put a damper on the mood with most sugar babies? Maybe the hardened pros who use the site like backpage wouldn't care, but the soccer moms and divorcees probably would run for the hills after seeing prominent posters warning them of videotaping.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately you might think that's how it works. But it's not. Just like the sign I have in front of my house saying beware of dog. Removing me of accountability if Amazon driver decides to be an idiot and gets bitten. Having signs outside my home and stickers on my front door and rear doors inside doors saying that this home is being monitored my full circuit security systems covers me inside and outside my home. It's exact same reason I can have a nanny cam and not tell someone as well. Otherwise Nanny cams would be no good and would just get thrown out of court. Hire someone to watch your kid and they beat the shit out of them while your teddy bear with a camera built in watches it happen. Take it and give it to the police and then they would throw it out under the logic that most people think the law should be. But again, do your own research and find out the facts. You'd be surprised how many people think you have to have permission to film them in public or from a public place. And the same amount of people think you're not allowed to have cameras in your house recording them without their permission. It's just not true. When you're inside someone else's domicile all bets are off. Private business or private home. More people have cameras inside their homes than you think.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6865023]Unfortunately you might think that's how it works. But it's not. Just like the sign I have in front of my house saying beware of dog. Removing me of accountability if Amazon driver decides to be an idiot and gets bitten. Having signs outside my home and stickers on my front door and rear doors inside doors saying that this home is being monitored my full circuit security systems covers me inside and outside my home. It's exact same reason I can have a nanny cam and not tell someone as well. Otherwise Nanny cams would be no good and would just get thrown out of court. Hire someone to watch your kid and they beat the shit out of them while your teddy bear with a camera built in watches it happen. Take it and give it to the police and then they would throw it out under the logic that most people think the law should be. But again, do your own research and find out the facts. You'd be surprised how many people think you have to have permission to film them in public or from a public place. And the same amount of people think you're not allowed to have cameras in your house recording them without their permission. It's just not true. When you're inside someone else's domicile all bets are off. Private business or private home. More people have cameras inside their homes than you think.[/QUOTE]The actual Georgia statute (quoted in pertinent part below) says you're wrong. As I posted, if it's in an area of a "private place and out of public view," it is illegal to record unless the recording is for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection. Your sex recordings are not for any such purpose. Even if they were, they would still be illegal in an area where someone has a reasonable expectation of privacy. You apparently believe your signs are enough to provide implied consent or make it unreasonable for a visitor to expect privacy anywhere in your home, even in the bedroom while having sex or the bathroom. I disagree. I am confident that you will lose the criminal case if your hidden cameras are discovered by a girlfriend or sugar baby.

GA Code 16-11-62 (2020).

It shall be unlawful for:

(1) Any person in a clandestine manner intentionally to overhear, transmit, or record or attempt to overhear, transmit, or record the private conversation of another which shall originate in any private place;.

(2) Any person, through the use of any device, without the consent of all persons observed, to observe, photograph, or record the activities of another which occur in any private place and out of public view; provided, however, that it shall not be unlawful:

(A) To use any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons incarcerated in any jail, correctional institution, or other facility in which persons who are charged with or who have been convicted of the commission of a crime are incarcerated, provided that such equipment shall not be used while the prisoner is discussing his or her case with his or her attorney;.

(B) For an owner or occupier of real property to use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are on the property or an approach thereto in areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy;.

(C) To use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are within the curtilage of the residence of the person using such device. A photograph, videotape, or record made in accordance with this subparagraph, or a copy thereof, may be disclosed by such resident to the district attorney or a law enforcement officer and shall be admissible in a judicial proceeding, without the consent of any person observed, photographed, or recorded; or.

(D) For a law enforcement officer or his or her agent to use a device in the lawful performance of his or her official duties to observe, photograph, videotape, or record the activities of persons that occur in the presence of such officer or his or her agent;.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6865299]The actual Georgia statute (quoted in pertinent part below) says you're wrong. As I posted, if it's in an area of a "private place and out of public view," it is illegal to record unless the recording is for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection. Your sex recordings are not for any such purpose. Even if they were, they would still be illegal in an area where someone has a reasonable expectation of privacy. You apparently believe your signs are enough to provide implied consent or make it unreasonable for a visitor to expect privacy anywhere in your home, even in the bedroom while having sex or the bathroom. I disagree. I am confident that you will lose the criminal case if your hidden cameras are discovered by a girlfriend or sugar baby.

GA Code 16-11-62 (2020).

It shall be unlawful for:

(1) Any person in a clandestine manner intentionally to overhear, transmit, or record or attempt to overhear, transmit, or record the private conversation of another which shall originate in any private place;.

(2) Any person, through the use of any device, without the consent of all persons observed, to observe, photograph, or record the activities of another which occur in any private place and out of public view; provided, however, that it shall not be unlawful:

(A) To use any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons incarcerated in any jail, correctional institution, or other facility in which persons who are charged with or who have been convicted of the commission of a crime are incarcerated, provided that such equipment shall not be used while the prisoner is discussing his or her case with his or her attorney;.

(B) For an owner or occupier of real property to use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are on the property or an approach thereto in areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy;.

(C) To use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are within the curtilage of the residence of the person using such device. A photograph, videotape, or record made in accordance with this subparagraph, or a copy thereof, may be disclosed by such resident to the district attorney or a law enforcement officer and shall be admissible in a judicial proceeding, without the consent of any person observed, photographed, or recorded; or.

(D) For a law enforcement officer or his or her agent to use a device in the lawful performance of his or her official duties to observe, photograph, videotape, or record the activities of persons that occur in the presence of such officer or his or her agent;.[/QUOTE]You actually made my point for me. It's lawful to do it for "security purposes". This is why it says it can be given to the district attorney or law enforcement if you needed to do so. Like with a nanny cam. So what if I'm paranoid and in have cameras everywhere in my home. That's perfectly legal. There was a story on this site I read about a guy who had a girl ubered over to his house. Turns out she had some thugs follow her in the uber. While he wasn't looking she unlocked the doors and just when we were about to get busy but thugs came inside, tied him up, and spent several hours robbing the entire house. Then left him there for 2 days until his family came home and found him tied to the chair. And if he had cameras in his home, it would have been perfectly legal for him to not only have them. But give them to the district attorney or the police so they can use them to try to catch and prosecute the criminals. And that those cameras inside his home happen to catch any other things going on, well it wouldn't matter because they were there for security purposes. The burden would lie on the state to try to prove that your cameras were not there for security purposes. And good luck doing that if you have terabytes of hard drive filled with security surveillance and everything else that happens in your home.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6865403]You actually made my point for me. It's lawful to do it for "security purposes". This is why it says it can be given to the district attorney or law enforcement if you needed to do so. Like with a nanny cam. So what if I'm paranoid and in have cameras everywhere in my home. That's perfectly legal. There was a story on this site I read about a guy who had a girl ubered over to his house. Turns out she had some thugs follow her in the uber. While he wasn't looking she unlocked the doors and just when we were about to get busy but thugs came inside, tied him up, and spent several hours robbing the entire house. Then left him there for 2 days until his family came home and found him tied to the chair. And if he had cameras in his home, it would have been perfectly legal for him to not only have them. But give them to the district attorney or the police so they can use them to try to catch and prosecute the criminals. And that those cameras inside his home happen to catch any other things going on, well it wouldn't matter because they were there for security purposes. The burden would lie on the state to try to prove that your cameras were not there for security purposes. And good luck doing that if you have terabytes of hard drive filled with security surveillance and everything else that happens in your home.[/QUOTE]Good luck arguing that a camera aimed at a bed or in a bathroom is for security purposes as opposed to ones aimed at the doors, windows and hallways. Don't forget that IT experts will tear through your devices to prove that you were using the feed to view clips for voyeuristic purposes. Also, even if you somehow win that argument, you still have no right under the statute to record someone, even for security purposes, where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy unless you have their consent. You'll need even better luck trying to argue that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a bedroom or bathroom and that signs at the entryways are somehow implied consent for the bedrooms and bathrooms. Finally, even if you somehow get acquitted, you would be publicly shamed.

This is my last post on the topic. It's illegal and it's a risk. Everyone else on the boards has gotten enough (probably more than enough, LOL) information to decide for themselves whether they agree with your misguided interpretation of the statute. And of course, as was said from the outset, lots of things are illegal (speeding, prostitution, etc.) that people regularly decide to do anyway. Everyone can evaluate whether to take that risk for themselves. I'm not telling them what to do, just laying out the legal background. Personally, I'm not risking a girlfriend or sugar baby discovering hidden cameras in my home.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6865490]Good luck arguing that a camera aimed at a bed or in a bathroom is for security purposes as opposed to ones aimed at the doors, windows and hallways. Don't forget that IT experts will tear through your devices to prove that you were using the feed to view clips for voyeuristic purposes. Also, even if you somehow win that argument, you still have no right under the statute to record someone, even for security purposes, where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy unless you have their consent. You'll need even better luck trying to argue that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a bedroom or bathroom and that signs at the entryways are somehow implied consent for the bedrooms and bathrooms. Finally, even if you somehow get acquitted, you would be publicly shamed.

This is my last post on the topic. It's illegal and it's a risk. Everyone else on the boards has gotten enough (probably more than enough, LOL) information to decide for themselves whether they agree with your misguided interpretation of the statute. And of course, as was said from the outset, lots of things are illegal (speeding, prostitution, etc.) that people regularly decide to do anyway. Everyone can evaluate whether to take that risk for themselves. I'm not telling them what to do, just laying out the legal background. Personally, I'm not risking a girlfriend or sugar baby discovering hidden cameras in my home.[/QUOTE]You win. Nobody ever has security cameras aimed everywhere in their homes. There you go. Better? Ok good. Moving on.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6866554]You win. Nobody ever has security cameras aimed everywhere in their homes. There you go. Better? Ok good. Moving on.[/QUOTE]I didn't say nobody does it. I said it's illegal because it is. But so is almost all of the "mongering" and SD / SB (at least PPM) being discussed on the boards. It's all good. I don't mean it as criticism of you. Each of us makes choices in this game that aren't necessarily the same choices everyone else would make.

Soundshennington's profile says Dallas, TX, but she said she recently moved to Atlanta. She reached out to me first and I asked her what she's looking for. She answered with a series of snotty messages about how I should have read her profile and she didn't spend her valuable time writing it to have her time wasted. Even when I wrote that I was just trying to make conversation she persisted with her onslaught. I wished her good luck in her search (because telling her that she's a beotch that I wouldn't see in a million years could get me reported) and she blocked me. YMMV, but I can't imagine trying to navigate an arrangement with an entitled, short tempered pain in the ass.

I connected with these two Latinas on non-sugar dating apps and have sugar dates lined up. They both claim they've done this before but I've never seen them on any sugar sites (I did find their socials though). Anyone have any experience? I'll report back next week.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c6074481-6764-4479-bb5f-25d64aae3186[/URL]

Don't bother.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6866809]Soundshennington's profile says Dallas, TX, but she said she recently moved to Atlanta. She reached out to me first and I asked her what she's looking for. She answered with a series of snotty messages about how I should have read her profile and she didn't spend her valuable time writing it to have her time wasted. Even when I wrote that I was just trying to make conversation she persisted with her onslaught. I wished her good luck in her search (because telling her that she's a beotch that I wouldn't see in a million years could get me reported) and she blocked me. YMMV, but I can't imagine trying to navigate an arrangement with an entitled, short tempered pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]I see those types occasionally. But I usually respond with a lot of attitude, & with a ton of sarcasm ("oh wow! You seem so nice!" right back at them. Don't take guff off these girls. You can respond in a way that won't get you banned. Just avoid profanity, ya know.

She used to reside in Atlanta. Then moved to LA, now back to Atlanta, via Dallas, for vacation.

She contacted me also as we have had some prior business. Her recent msg, which really highlights her devolving 'tude: "You also know the power lies with the woman. That's why it's free for me to join, but you have to pay. I will never have to pay for s*x, but you do. "

Just for the record. Before she moved to LA, still residing in Atlanta. Met her 3 x for $200 ppm at her place. All bare, BBBJ and CIP. Was enjoyable as she is not unattractive or unskilled. But next she decided that CIP is off the table, so I called it quits.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6866809]Soundshennington's profile says Dallas, TX, but she said she recently moved to Atlanta. She reached out to me first and I asked her what she's looking for. She answered with a series of snotty messages about how I should have read her profile and she didn't spend her valuable time writing it to have her time wasted. Even when I wrote that I was just trying to make conversation she persisted with her onslaught. I wished her good luck in her search (because telling her that she's a beotch that I wouldn't see in a million years could get me reported) and she blocked me. YMMV, but I can't imagine trying to navigate an arrangement with an entitled, short tempered pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/f5a8fde7-5720-4a3f-bc1f-82364304bdb3[/URL]

Wants a $200 advance for her pups sake so she can have them watched.

[QUOTE=LoverAtl;6867422]She used to reside in Atlanta. Then moved to LA, now back to Atlanta, via Dallas, for vacation.

She contacted me also as we have had some prior business. Her recent msg, which really highlights her devolving 'tude: "You also know the power lies with the woman. That's why it's free for me to join, but you have to pay. I will never have to pay for s*x, but you do. "

Just for the record. Before she moved to LA, still residing in Atlanta. Met her 3 x for $200 ppm at her place. All bare, BBBJ and CIP. Was enjoyable as she is not unattractive or unskilled. But next she decided that CIP is off the table, so I called it quits.[/QUOTE]LOL. "I will never have to pay for sex, but you do. " Like Bane said in The Dark Knight Rises: "And you think this gives you power over me? Does this girl need reminding that there are a LOT of girls on that site, & other sites, who will gladly take our money?

In the end. Every girl has a pussy. There is no lack of competition.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6868596]LOL. "I will never have to pay for sex, but you do. " Like Bane said in The Dark Knight Rises: "And you think this gives you power over me? Does this girl need reminding that there are a LOT of girls on that site, & other sites, who will gladly take our money?[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/838f6e4a-a8f6-4750-a53d-6b86ca7f3f28[/URL]

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6871604][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/838f6e4a-a8f6-4750-a53d-6b86ca7f3f28[/URL][/QUOTE]I sent you a PM.

I've had enough with Seeking, it just sucks now. The best alternative I've heard about is SDM. Is anyone here using it? If so, what's the lowdown on it? Do you like it?

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6861120]Any info on her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c739077a-2db3-430d-bfb5-35f8050ecba3[/URL][/QUOTE]Had a session. She was quick to reply (pm'd me after visiting her profile) and gave out her phone number. It was a negative experience. She had a really bad breath and wasn't really into it. Felt worse after. Will not repeat.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6872984]I've had enough with Seeking, it just sucks now. The best alternative I've heard about is SDM. Is anyone here using it? If so, what's the lowdown on it? Do you like it?[/QUOTE]The UI is probably only 60% of what seeking is. Also not too many members on there. On seeking you could virtually keep scrolling forever. On SDM it's a much shorter list. I have much better luck on seeking.

Anyone have any info?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fc988d99-de87-4794-8771-5afc50d2f7c0[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ac836636-f726-4c90-b20e-985942db4cc7[/URL]

Anyone have any experience with her? I like her look, & we exchanged a LOT of messages on the site, much more so than I usually prefer doing. She seems real, & is very flirtatious in her talk.

But. She just won't go to text. Like, she'll talk your head off on the site, but for reasons she won't give, won't take the next step.

Anybody dealt with her, & know why this is?

So, debating about biting the bullet and trying one of these sites. I feel it would be fun to be with a non professional maybe get to know someone better, etc. Anyway, reading through some of the posts, is it even worth it? I mean lots of negativity coming up about the sites. Note, I would be using a pre paid CC so is that an issue with any of the sites? Anyway, trying to gauge how successful this venture would be. Also, is it a cheaper or more expensive prospect than just going with a pro?

Thanks for the info.

Of course, Seeking contacts are all over the place for ppm. $200 to $1,000 ppm. And more!

They have no clue, those girls just signed up and have absolutely no idea how much their pussy is worth. Other than it is made out of gold.

And what they read about it on reddit.

This is how it works for me. I can get 8-10 pussy in East Africa, for $25/ day / 24 hrs. Easy.

DR, $40/ day /24 hrs.

Looking closer at home. Atlanta. 1 hr, w / an Asian provider. She provides place, and 10+ service. $330.

I don't have to provide hotel, saves me time, money, and stress in doing so. We also don't need to have a M&G.

Subtracting $100, for hotel / accommodation. $200, for me, is the max ppm. Simple as that.

This thread has devolved into scam reports. I think there are two reasons: (1) there are fewer A+ girls throwing it around for reasonable rates, and (2) guys are keeping their girls to themselves because of (1).

You never know until you try it it's for you. There's a lot of frustration with scammers and time wasters. You have to keep your head on straight and be patient. Don't treat it like browsing tryst or LC for that quick fix, you'll be disappointed. These girls are almost never ready on a moment's notice. (There have been a couple of notable exceptions to that.) You need to think about logistics, time, hotel rooms, etc. Most of these girls want at least a little connection / attraction.

Be prepared to spend a little time and money, show a little class, and you'll be one deep in some first class pussy. Heck, you might even like the girl too!

[QUOTE=KingFish34;6874486]So, debating about biting the bullet and trying one of these sites. I feel it would be fun to be with a non professional maybe get to know someone better, etc. Anyway, reading through some of the posts, is it even worth it? I mean lots of negativity coming up about the sites. Note, I would be using a pre paid CC so is that an issue with any of the sites? Anyway, trying to gauge how successful this venture would be. Also, is it a cheaper or more expensive prospect than just going with a pro?

Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KingFish34;6874486]So, debating about biting the bullet and trying one of these sites. I feel it would be fun to be with a non professional maybe get to know someone better, etc. Anyway, reading through some of the posts, is it even worth it? I mean lots of negativity coming up about the sites. Note, I would be using a pre paid CC so is that an issue with any of the sites? Anyway, trying to gauge how successful this venture would be. Also, is it a cheaper or more expensive prospect than just going with a pro?[/QUOTE]That really depends on how you value your time. It is absolutely guaranteed to be cheaper and easier to find a pro if you factor in the time and hassle involved. So it really comes down to what you're looking for.

Seeking has a little bit of something for everyone. You can find anything from escorts that charge you by the hour to girls who are looking for a successful older lover who will wine and dine them. I've been very fortunate to find some great women on the site over the years. I go for the girlfriend types who aren't looking for an allowance. My current girl has been with me over two years, she's a total knockout 25 years to my junior. Very well-to-do and cultured; definitely the type of girl who's equally comfortable at a tennis club in the Hamptons or in the finest restaurants in New York. She's at a stage in her life where she's focused on her career, doesn't care at all about finding a guy her age or starting a family, and honestly takes a lot of pride in being my trophy girlfriend / mistress. She's happily exclusive to me and enthusiastically gives me more pussy than I know what to do with. I've never paid her a dime (but I do take great care of her when we're together and cover all expenses, of course). I know that's not everyone's cup of tea but the point is, those girls are out there if that's what you're looking for.

If you're just looking to get your dick wet with minimal hassle, those girls are on Seeking as well. You'll just have to invest the time to message a lot of women and go back and forth with the hits you get until you find someone that is looking for the same type of situation you are. There are plenty of those girls on the site, so I'd encourage you to give it a try. Just read as much as you can before you get started so you know what to expect going in.

One thing I've noticed about Seeking lately is that it's completely overrun by scammers now. I still log in regularly to admire the new talent and would venture an educated guess that at least half the new accounts I see are fake. This is a small sample, but to underscore the point I just checked and 6 of the newest 10 accounts on my saved search were not real. You're probably familiar with the stories about organized crime syndicates in Asia kidnapping job seekers and forcing them into a confidence scam operations. Seeking is ground zero for that type of thing since all of the men are there to spend money on women. It's easy to spot the fake profiles once you know what you're looking for, but still, I'm glad I'm not having to deal with any of that because it's just such a pain in the ass to sort through all the scammer BS.

Good luck if you do decide to try it, report back and let us know how you did.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6875854]That really depends on how you value your time. It is absolutely guaranteed to be cheaper and easier to find a pro if you factor in the time and hassle involved. So it really comes down to what you're looking for.

Seeking has a little bit of something for everyone. You can find anything from escorts that charge you by the hour to girls who are looking for a successful older lover who will wine and dine them. I've been very fortunate to find some great women on the site over the years. I go for the girlfriend types who aren't looking for an allowance. My current girl has been with me over two years, she's a total knockout 25 years to my junior. Very well-to-do and cultured; definitely the type of girl who's equally comfortable at a tennis club in the Hamptons or in the finest restaurants in New York. She's at a stage in her life where she's focused on her career, doesn't care at all about finding a guy her age or starting a family, and honestly takes a lot of pride in being my trophy girlfriend / mistress. She's happily exclusive to me and enthusiastically gives me more pussy than I know what to do with. I've never paid her a dime (but I do take great care of her when we're together and cover all expenses, of course). I know that's not everyone's cup of tea but the point is, those girls are out there if that's what you're looking for.

If you're just looking to get your dick wet with minimal hassle, those girls are on Seeking as well. You'll just have to invest the time to message a lot of women and go back and forth with the hits you get until you find someone that is looking for the same type of situation you are. There are plenty of those girls on the site, so I'd encourage you to give it a try. Just read as much as you can before you get started so you know what to expect going in.[/QUOTE]Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6873956][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ac836636-f726-4c90-b20e-985942db4cc7[/URL]

Anyone have any experience with her? I like her look, & we exchanged a LOT of messages on the site, much more so than I usually prefer doing. She seems real, & is very flirtatious in her talk.

But. She just won't go to text. Like, she'll talk your head off on the site, but for reasons she won't give, won't take the next step.

Anybody dealt with her, & know why this is?[/QUOTE]She isn't the person in the pics.

[QUOTE=KingFish34;6875923]Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.[/QUOTE]My advice set your profile to private with no photo, have a few photos of you which have never been on the internet as your private photos. Burner # & text app.

Only message women you are interested in, do a meet & greet over lunch or drinks to weed out the fakes.

[QUOTE=KingFish34;6875923]Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.[/QUOTE]You need to read the thread and the archives on the Richmond, VA page on sugaring. Spend a week doing that. Then you will know.

I have a lot to lose like you, and I have been safely on seeking for many years now.

There is also an OpSec thread on the Northern Virginia page.

[QUOTE=KingFish34;6875923]Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.[/QUOTE]I recently got "threatened" by a scammer myself. I told her in no uncertain terms that it would be a very painful mistake to attempt any type of extortion and that her best course of action would be to shove it up her ass. She got all up in her feelings after I had to cancel a meet, (after she'd ghosted me once previously), I had came down with a cold and didn't feel like doing crap.

Had another one pull the"had a detective call me about sexting with a minor that had attempted suicide" I politely told said detective if he was serious about speaking with me, I wasn't very hard to find. Good Luck. I never sent her any pics and the only communication between us was Hello my name is "FAKE NAME" from me followed by her sending 2 nudes and asking when we could meet.

I have found that the easiest way to avoid BS is stay over 21 yrs old, and any profile that has the True Love tag in what they are seeking is guranteed to be a scammer. Pics that are TGTBT are almost always a dead giveaway if combined with the True Love tag. 95% or more of the Asian chicks are fake, for whatever reason. Names like IntelligentIngenuine, GratifiedHotness, or stupid shit like that are always scammers. I'm still working on picking out the content sellers by their profiles, but those are more difficult. They want to give the illusion of availability, but never available.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6876736]I recently got "threatened" by a scammer myself. I told her in no uncertain terms that it would be a very painful mistake to attempt any type of extortion and that her best course of action would be to shove it up her ass. She got all up in her feelings after I had to cancel a meet, (after she'd ghosted me once previously), I had came down with a cold and didn't feel like doing crap.

Had another one pull the"had a detective call me about sexting with a minor that had attempted suicide" I politely told said detective if he was serious about speaking with me, I wasn't very hard to find. Good Luck. I never sent her any pics and the only communication between us was Hello my name is "FAKE NAME" from me followed by her sending 2 nudes and asking when we could meet.

I have found that the easiest way to avoid BS is stay over 21 yrs old, and any profile that has the True Love tag in what they are seeking is guranteed to be a scammer. Pics that are TGTBT are almost always a dead giveaway if combined with the True Love tag. 95% or more of the Asian chicks are fake, for whatever reason. Names like IntelligentIngenuine, GratifiedHotness, or stupid shit like that are always scammers. I'm still working on picking out the content sellers by their profiles, but those are more difficult. They want to give the illusion of availability, but never available.[/QUOTE]If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6876750]If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.[/QUOTE]I've been wondering if another sign of scammers is usernames that contain an actual woman's name. Any thoughts on this? I had two recent situations where the person asked for money upfront for various reasons, and both had real names in the profile (ex. Mary123). Looking back, including my current SB, I've always had luck with girls with fake names (ex. Peaches or baby something). Just thinking a real person would want to stay mostly anonymous.

[QUOTE=TacoSauce3;6877408]I've been wondering if another sign of scammers is usernames that contain an actual woman's name. Any thoughts on this? I had two recent situations where the person asked for money upfront for various reasons, and both had real names in the profile (ex. Mary123). Looking back, including my current SB, I've always had luck with girls with fake names (ex. Peaches or baby something). Just thinking a real person would want to stay mostly anonymous.[/QUOTE]I haven't noticed any pattern or trend with user names and scammers. Seeking generates automatic name suggestions. I've had both scammers and good luck with names that are typical of their algorithm (usually two word combos like TemptingSiren or AstuteDiva, etc.). I've also had good and bad luck with user names that were more obviously individually selected, including those with an actual woman's name incorporated into it.

Pictures are a better barometer. You can tell that some are in Europe (a dead giveaway unless it's a college girl or a milf -- 20s to 30s year old waitresses rarely are able to go to Europe and get perfect photos for Seeking). You can tell from the style of palm trees that some pictures are in California, another sign of a potential scammer. Some are too perfect like they're professional photos, which is a another red flag. And oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.

Even then, I'll message with almost anyone. The scammers become pretty obvious pretty quickly in most message exchanges.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6877728]I haven't noticed any pattern or trend with user names and scammers. Seeking generates automatic name suggestions. I've had both scammers and good luck with names that are typical of their algorithm (usually two word combos like TemptingSiren or AstuteDiva, etc.). I've also had good and bad luck with user names that were more obviously individually selected, including those with an actual woman's name incorporated into it.

Pictures are a better barometer. You can tell that some are in Europe (a dead giveaway unless it's a college girl or a milf -- 20s to 30s year old waitresses rarely are able to go to Europe and get perfect photos for Seeking). You can tell from the style of palm trees that some pictures are in California, another sign of a potential scammer. Some are too perfect like they're professional photos, which is a another red flag. And oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.
[/QUOTE]Also starting to see AI generated images as well, oddly enough mostly seems to be Asian females as well.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6876750]If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.[/QUOTE]I honestly don't believe it ever pays to be an asshole to someone on the seeking site or elsewhere on websites where we are playing about. Just move on. The momentary exhilaration of flaming isn't worth it, in case someone really takes issue w / the site mods.

However, I have posted my approach to shakedown attempts. Short version. Tell them that what you are doing might not be nice but it isn't illegal. However extortion is a federal felony, and their messages provide all the evidence LE would require to track them down (w / resources you don't have to do so). They usually stop at that point.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6877728]oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.
[/QUOTE]The organized crime outfits that run these scams in high volumes are based in Asia and they staff their operations with Asians lured by the promise of well paying jobs. They have women there held against their will who are forced to take photos when the target victim requests sexy pics. Think about that for a second. A single woman can supply personalized pics for any number of scam operators. So it makes sense if you think the girl you're talking to is Asian, you get special photos made just for you from your new Asian friend, it's easy to see how guys fall for this.

I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.

[QUOTE=GreekLurker212;6879412]I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.[/QUOTE]No they mean money. PPM is pay per meet, most common & what I do. Going rate is $300-400.

[QUOTE=GreekLurker212;6879412]I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.[/QUOTE]The "arrangement" is whatever 2 consenting adults want it to be. For most people, that's dates plus sex for cash. For some, it's just straight up sex for cash. However, there are some girls and guys that use gifts / trips / fancy dinners instead of pure cash. The arrangement might be "I take you to 5 star restaurants and a shopping trip and we hook up afterwards. ".

I've had a few that just wanted to be "spoiled" occasionally in exchange for hooking up. About a year or so back I had a early 30's cutie who just wanted a mani / pedi / massage spa day once a month. If I paid for that for her once a month, she'd fuck my brains out every week. It was a pretty sweet deal, but not very common. I had one late last year that agreed to hook up with me if I would sub to her OnlyF*ns afterwards (I would never agree to beforehand). We met at a hotel, we fucked twice, I subbed to her OF right there on the spot for $15. Canceled it a couple of weeks later after she ghosted, but not before downloading all her material.

Most of my cash arrangements are 200 per intimate date, plus I pay for hotel, or if they can host, I'll do 300 for them per intimate date. If we meet for coffee or dinner I'll cover the tab as well.

When I first talk to a potential sugar baby (or POT) I get to know them first, standard online dating questions. Once we've been talking a few hours, or even a day or 2, I'll normally ask them if they want to talk about the "arrangement." I ask them what they are looking for, and try to get them to be the first to mention money, though some will play coy. If they do, I'll generally ask them if they prefer a cash allowance, gifts, or something else. Once they finally tell me what they are looking for, then I'll ask if they are willing to talk through the intimate details so we can make sure we have chemistry before figuring the specifics of the arrangement. At that point I point blank ask them what they enjoy sexually, and have a pretty detailed talk about what turns them on. If this goes well then our conversation will actually turn them on. If they're turned on enough, I can usually get nudes / vids at this point for free. Another bonus of turning them on is they actually will WANT to meet you, and are willing to see you for less than normal (since if theoretically if you turned them on here you could have just as easily turned them on through a standard dating site and they would've fucked you for free anyways). Once I feel like they really like me, I ask them specifically what they are looking for allowance/gift wise, and then negotiate from there.

It's not a 100% success rate but you can comb through my post history under this thread to see specific examples. When my SA sub is active, I can normally bag 4-5 different girls, usually in their early 20s - early 30s, maybe the occasional 19 year old, and never pay more than 300 per date. You have to be willing to pass on girls who have GPS (gold pussy syndrome), the girls who are wannabe instagram models or influencers who think a billionaire should pay them thousands a week. When someone is unreasonable or not willing to move come down to a reasonable arrangement, I tell them we're not a good fit and move on. Remember, there's a LOT more "average income" guys on the site than there are multi-millionaires, and as long as you're willing to say "no" to some very pretty girls, you'll find some real pretty ones that'll take great care of you, are grateful for the help you give them, and won't break the bank.

My most recent lasted three years, single mom who said if she was going to have sex with a guy she might as well get paid for it! After a "get-to-know-you" weekend at a boutique hotel on the coast (her suggestion after a few days of texting), I paid her rent, she gave me a key to the apartment and I spent 2-3 day weekends there every week. Fantastic sex. Definitely a unicorn. But definitely the exception.

Best advice is to ease into it until you figure out what your budget and schedule will accommodate. And NEVER hand over cash until the intimate date. I prefer at least a few days of casual texting, m / g over coffee or drinks, or late lunch at a sit-down restaurant when the crowd has gone back to work and you can have a semi-private conversation. PPM for each intimate "meeting" until you're satisfied she's not going to bolt when you giver her the first monthly allowance.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6879551]The "arrangement" is whatever 2 consenting adults want it to be. For most people, that's dates plus sex for cash. For some, it's just straight up sex for cash. However, there are some girls and guys that use gifts / trips / fancy dinners instead of pure cash. The arrangement might be "I take you to 5 star restaurants and a shopping trip and we hook up afterwards. ".

I've had a few that just wanted to be "spoiled" occasionally in exchange for hooking up. About a year or so back I had a early 30's cutie who just wanted a mani / pedi / massage spa day once a month. If I paid for that for her once a month, she'd fuck my brains out every week. It was a pretty sweet deal, but not very common. I had one late last year that agreed to hook up with me if I would sub to her OnlyF*ns afterwards (I would never agree to beforehand). We met at a hotel, we fucked twice, I subbed to her OF right there on the spot for $15. Canceled it a couple of weeks later after she ghosted, but not before downloading all her material.

Most of my cash arrangements are 200 per intimate date, plus I pay for hotel, or if they can host, I'll do 300 for them per intimate date. If we meet for coffee or dinner I'll cover the tab as well.

When I first talk to a potential sugar baby (or POT) I get to know them first, standard online dating questions. Once we've been talking a few hours, or even a day or 2, I'll normally ask them if they want to talk about the "arrangement." I ask them what they are looking for, and try to get them to be the first to mention money, though some will play coy. If they do, I'll generally ask them if they prefer a cash allowance, gifts, or something else. Once they finally tell me what they are looking for, then I'll ask if they are willing to talk through the intimate details so we can make sure we have chemistry before figuring the specifics of the arrangement. At that point I point blank ask them what they enjoy sexually, and have a pretty detailed talk about what turns them on. If this goes well then our conversation will actually turn them on. If they're turned on enough, I can usually get nudes / vids at this point for free. Another bonus of turning them on is they actually will WANT to meet you, and are willing to see you for less than normal (since if theoretically if you turned them on here you could have just as easily turned them on through a standard dating site and they would've fucked you for free anyways). Once I feel like they really like me, I ask them specifically what they are looking for allowance/gift wise, and then negotiate from there.

It's not a 100% success rate but you can comb through my post history under this thread to see specific examples. When my SA sub is active, I can normally bag 4-5 different girls, usually in their early 20s - early 30s, maybe the occasional 19 year old, and never pay more than 300 per date. You have to be willing to pass on girls who have GPS (gold pussy syndrome), the girls who are wannabe instagram models or influencers who think a billionaire should pay them thousands a week. When someone is unreasonable or not willing to move come down to a reasonable arrangement, I tell them we're not a good fit and move on. Remember, there's a LOT more "average income" guys on the site than there are multi-millionaires, and as long as you're willing to say "no" to some very pretty girls, you'll find some real pretty ones that'll take great care of you, are grateful for the help you give them, and won't break the bank.[/QUOTE]