"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Maximum was $$.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1971674]8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1970911]If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more with your playbook. I've realized that there are a number of chicks who are just looking for some extra cash and they are very willing to go to the FC very quicky to do it. I've made the mistake of going after both P4 P and babes that want to date. I don't have time to date or make her feel comfortable. With the P4 P babes I've had some great success (I will explain later), however the other day I had my first flake. The 20 yr old single mom has been on me for weeks to go to the FC I found her on SA and negotiated terms via text, 150 per visit and we would meet in the morning. After 2 weeks at home with my family I was itching to get into something so I hit up this babe, she quickly agrees but there is one problem. We were supposed to have snow over night and it would be difficult to travel on some roads. At 8 am she texts me to confirm that we are still on and I agree because I got the room the night before. I assume she leaves at 9 am but no I get a text at 10:30 saying she is on her way and it was going to take 90 min to get to me but she was determined. I also got a late check out (1 pm) so we could get into something and I could extend the room another day if we really got into it. At 12:40 she texts and says she's been on the road for 2 hours and is frustrated but that's it, I didn't hear from her again. Maybe she was embarassed or thought I lash out at her but since she doesn't know me she didn't know what to expect. Oh well on to the next one.

Here is my current roster.

Sarg - 30 yr old girl in the military, I see her twice a month and we just go to the FC its been 4 times and I've given her a total of $$6 in sugar, dinner once ($40) and $60 4 X hotel, total $540, She just wants someone to get with every now and then and I'm happy to oblige.

Mom #1 - 23 yr old mom of 2, she is a home health care nurse 3 days a week so she meets me when her kids are at school in the morning. She isn't very affectionate but is determined to make sure I have a great time and does anything she can think of to make that happen. I've seen her twice at $3 per visit plus the $60 room. I also got her a prepaid phone at $30. Toal on this one is $.

Thickie - 20 yr old thick girl she is nasty and I love every second. I've only seen her once due to the holidays but our first encounter left me wanting more. I give her $2 in sugar and the room was $60 so a total of $8.

I also have 2 other girls that want to go on dates so what ever reason I've continued this but these will end soon if we don't go to the FC this month and I'm not spending any more money. Thus far I've spent a total of $300 on these babe and have gotten no where. I get a whole lot more for a whole lot less from my "value" babes.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027] I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. [/QUOTE]Some girls take longer to get comfortable. The key is giving the girl the time and space to make her own choice. You can't push on a string. The art to it is not spending too much money on time and space. When the money hurts it's too much. A second or subsequent occurrence of this is not necessarily a bad sign if the amount involved is less than the time before.

While I have read quite a bit about new girls getting a little queezy about the whole cash for sex exchange I personally have not really encountered it, in 6 years of doing this. Maybe because I live in hollywood? or just L.A. in general is all about what you have and getting more.

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying "Am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

I emailed her this an hour ago. Submitted with her reply.

ME.

A prostitute is a girl that takes money in exchange for sex from multiple men she is un-attracted to, and may engage in sex acts that do not turn her on.

A sugar baby is a girl that is compensated for her time by men (usually one at a time) that she is attracted to... And only has sex that she is turned on by.

Which one are you?

HER.

The second one.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1974071]

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying

" am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

.[/QUOTE]Um, that would be a YES LOL.

Our job for these girls who are not working pros yet is to convince them that they are not Ho's and that it is OK for them to take care of our business. We are magicians, it is all an illusion. Good job Hollywood!

I am thrilled to see such an influx of new bowlers! Welcome! It is good to have new talent and input.

ATF #4.

As for this oldster, I'm still entertaining my ATF #4 weekly. I just discovered her on SDFM (we met on SA where she promptly took her profile down.) Actually, it was pretty funny, since I have a different profile there she Kissed me not knowing it was me. Ooops! She has always been up front about not being a fan of monogamy, so obviously she is on the prowl for more Do Re Mi. I know I am satisfying her sexually. We are very compatible. She wants full support since she has a child now and doesn't want to work, and I can't afford that. She agreed to let me know when she has a new SD and I have told her I will opt out. I care about her too much to trade semen with a bunch of other guys. If she wants I will recommend her to some of you guys. She is a ten across the board. I suspect she won't be that mercenary but we'll see. She could lie and keep seeing me but she is brutally honest, so I don't think she will do that.

SB #2.

Interestingly, my SB #2 is a FB for 1/3 the money and I think she will do just fine keeping my tanks empty. I might even see her twice / week if I move on from ATF. She is a 7/7/7/7 but has a very tight cooch and wrings me dry every time.

SO # 1 and only.

Lots of oversight and awareness, so I have to try to keep a very low profile. So backing away from ATF might not be a bad idea anyway.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1159616]Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.[/QUOTE]Your I.the. Is not the problem since it leaves no trail if you pay in cash. It's not like you S.O. Is going around asking to see I.the. Info at local hotels. They wouldn't give it out anyway even if they did keep it on file LOL. Cash is key to your privacy.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1175219]I'm curious how you handle it on a first meeting when a potential SB doesn't look like her photos? Do you simply say "we're not a good fit" and walk away or do you continue to see if she might have other redeeming features? It depends for me, but the one time I continued after 'bad' photos I regretted it. I met a potential SB 3 weekends ago. Her pictures were probably 10 years old and she hadn't aged well. We sat and chatted a while. She asked if I wanted to continue and I wished her luck, told her I didn't think we could work, left her a small amount of sugar and left.

Why will it be your last time with SB4? Feel free to send her my way LOL.

SB9 sounds like fun too.

Good luck with your weekend! I've got 2 girls lined up myself, but of course, both require travel and they're in opposite directions. Both of them are college students. I've met one of them before and I'm breaking my own rule about not seeing her again since there was nothing more than dinner the first time.[/QUOTE]If she doesn't have a smart phone or can't get to a computer for a live video chat, don't see her. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1197240]Met CSB6 today. After some talk, some making out, we head to the bed. She was even more stunning naked then clothed. Long hair to her waist; a J. Lo body (leaner then J. Lo but with same wide hips and great ass.) She hasn't had kids, so the body was firm all over. I don't know where to start. When she gave oral, she showed she had wonderful skills. When she received oral, she was incredibly responsive. When I told her I wanted that pussy, she actually said to me: "I'm not sure if that's a good idea. You won't be able to stand it."

I had forgotten what a tight 23 year old pussy was like. She was right, it was all I could do to stand it. It was the best I have had in a long long time. But I had to show her that us old guys still had game so I proceeded to try to break her in half. The view of her under me with those gorgeous thighs spread wide was a glorious sight. I spent the whole time in mish because I couldn't give up that view. She was a great dirty talker, something that I love, which had me going stark raving crazy. Any way I think you get the picture. When we finished, she could hardly walk and I had muscles hurting that I forgot I had. I gave her some sugar, she thanked me profusely and wanted to know when she would see me again. I had overstayed my pass and I just made it in before the warden. I had to go sneak some aspirin before I got asked why I was acting so funny.

Lit is right about a lot of things, but one thing he is absolutely right about: that early 20's pussy is fantastic.[/QUOTE]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=CBrownEye;1974765]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.

When SB10 started with "you led me on, I love you" and my life looked shattered, I came back with Quid Pro Quo, I always kept my end of the arrangement but it was an arrangement and you never said no. I am not sure it made any difference to her but it sure made a difference to ME! Eventually the storm passed; I see she has a new bf on facebook.

One wise sage here has said never take advantage, provide a fair sugar and keep your temper in a box. So true gents.

Working CL has been a whole learning experience from SA but may be looking up. I have been chasing a HYB since mid December and finally have a M&G tomorrow. Based on her pics she is the little hard body I need to start a new years resolution. Hope she is as slutty as her pics...keep you posted and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1975629]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CBrownEye;1974765]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]CBrownEye: Maybe I'm the skeptic... You have a limited number of posts and looking at them you seem really willing to tell everyone else how they should be doing things and conducting themselves. Yet I didn't find one post from you giving any experience you've had with anyone escort, SB, MP, SW ...nothing. How about you contribute something before you start criticizing others? Just my thoughts...but then again I'm in kind of a pissy mood this eve.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1975629]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.[/QUOTE]I'm still learning to walk in the bowl. Thanks for the easy to remember advise on this one, it'll probably come in real handy sooner rather than later. I've got a play date planned for next weekend with my 20's single mom. Since I am a competitive person this meets that need in my personality whereas my previous recreational activities were more like fishing in an aquarium (of course while using a variety of precautionary resources). The bowl on the other hand, has given me (at least in my mind) a greater feeling of being in control and has offered me a little "cat and mouse" and "fox and hound" aspect to the hobby.

I admit that right now it is hard for me to adequately measure the sugar. We're planning for this upcoming rendezvous to be an overnighter and I don't want to lowball or give away the farm. Again, I am always open to receiving advise and criticism; so by all means continue my education.

R2.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1976182]I'm still learning to walk in the bowl. Thanks for the easy to remember advise on this one, it'll probably come in real handy sooner rather than later. I've got a play date planned for next weekend with my 20's single mom. Since I am a competitive person this meets that need in my personality whereas my previous recreational activities were more like fishing in an aquarium (of course while using a variety of precautionary resources). The bowl on the other hand, has given me (at least in my mind) a greater feeling of being in control and has offered me a little "cat and mouse" and "fox and hound" aspect to the hobby.

I admit that right now it is hard for me to adequately measure the sugar. We're planning for this upcoming rendezvous to be an overnighter and I don't want to lowball or give away the farm. Again, I am always open to receiving advise and criticism; so by all means continue my education.

R2.[/QUOTE]$ for her plus you cover the room, food, party favors, etc. I currently have 16 girls in the queue. 8 pros and 8 non pros all agreed to at $. Hoping to meet up with at least 2 of the non pros this week. Once you build your pipeline, that $ will seem like a lot or at least fair. This will reflect in your overall attitude during discussions. You must have a take away mentality and be willing to walk with no reservations. Girls will sense your confidence. The GPS girls and most pros will walk. The needy non pros (needy, as in, they need more than just cash to be happy) and many pros on the down low (or UTR girls) will accept. Overall these girls appear to be mostly 8's, with a couple 7's and a couple 9's.

HollywoodGuy is still the man!! .

I have been around the bowl for about a year (Thanks for all folks here). Unfortunately, I got several SBs, and I was only able to score one UTR w / $ Maybe my geolocation is tougher market. Scoring $ SBs are tough in San Diego. I have suspended my hunting activities for several months now. Itching to go back.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1976283]$ for her plus you cover the room, food, party favors, etc. I currently have 16 girls in the queue. 8 pros and 8 non pros all agreed to at $. Hoping to meet up with at least 2 of the non pros this week. Once you build your pipeline, that $ will seem like a lot or at least fair. This will reflect in your overall attitude during discussions. You must have a take away mentality and be willing to walk with no reservations. Girls will sense your confidence. The GPS girls and most pros will walk. The needy non pros (needy, as in, they need more than just cash to be happy) and many pros on the down low (or UTR girls) will accept. Overall these girls appear to be mostly 8's, with a couple 7's and a couple 9's.[/QUOTE]