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She know what she wants to get and we know what we can afford or willing to pay. If they line up that is great. If they don't we have to move on. It is that simple. I can't afford the high end ladies myself.
[QUOTE=Ron M;1855421]I agree with you on your points. Like I said, this isn't an Exact Science. There has to be some sort of Balance between what us guys are willing to pay and what a Provider charges.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ron M;1855410]If the guys were able to set the prices for the Providers, then it wouldn't be worth it for a Provider to be in this Business. There has to be a Fair Balance on what you guys are willing to pay and the price a Provider is charging. Are Providers overcharging for their Services? Some are. But there are some that are reasonably priced. So then the question is, What is a Reasonable Price? That's Subjective, meaning it's up to each person. My personal view is that $200 is a Fair Price for both Parties involved. In my view $200 isn't that Expensive for a Provider's Services and what I can afford. At this price you can reasonably expect a Decent Provider that will show you a Good Time. I know there are some Bad ones at this price range. Remember this isn't an exact Science. If $200 is too much to pay, then you'd be better off to find a Provider within your price range. Lowballing or asking for a Discount may work for a time. But the Girls will remember who the Cheapskates are and probably won't see you for a Future Session. Just my personal experience.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NC Transplant;1855419]There are a couple of really good providers in the mid 100 an hour range too. There is something worth mentioning, for a girl to get the same income at a lower price she has to see more guys to make up the volume. Do you really want to be number 7 or 8 for the day? Some of the high price ones that I can't afford may only see a few guys a month, but some can afford to get the more low mileage ladies. Some aren't not getting their entire income from this and can be mid priced and provide great service too. Sometimes high prices don't equal better service but it is very rare to get good service at an extremely low price.[/QUOTE]Well Corvette was merely replying to my post on AMPs, in which case I will still stand on being cheap. They are high volume girls, if you think that giving them $200 for FS, on top of house fees will make them see less clients, then you keep believing that. They in the AMP end will take you for what they can get from you, and will still haggle to get what they can from me, and others who will not just say okay.
Now if you are speaking about independents, that is a totally different thing altogether. First that are based on, or should be quality service, this means a higher price in anything. I have no problem with them charging whatever the market, and their level of service is worth. These are the ones that I think you and Transplant are speaking about.
But to think that I or anyone else is ruining their availability at an AMP is purely fictitious. I will pay for quality when it is there, and will not when it is not. And from the moment your time begins will tell you which it is. Unless you let the little head do the talking. So many of the women I have met at AMPs have had the same attitude of a street girl, so street girl money is what they get.
[QUOTE=IH8HJ'sAz; 1856146]Well Corvette was merely replying to my post on AMPs, in which case I will still stand on being cheap. They are high volume girls, if you think that giving them $200 for FS, on top of house fees will make them see less clients, then you keep believing that. They in the AMP end will take you for what they can get from you, and will still haggle to get what they can from me, and others who will not just say okay.
Now if you are speaking about independents, that is a totally different thing altogether. First that are based on, or should be quality service, this means a higher price in anything. I have no problem with them charging whatever the market, and their level of service is worth. These are the ones that I think you and Transplant are speaking about.
But to think that I or anyone else is ruining their availability at an AMP is purely fictitious. I will pay for quality when it is there, and will not when it is not. And from the moment your time begins will tell you which it is. Unless you let the little head do the talking. So many of the women I have met at AMPs have had the same attitude of a street girl, so street girl money is what they get.[/QUOTE]The focus of my statement was towards Providers. I never go to those AMP's. Total waste of Money IMO. I'm not attracted to Asian Girls. I know I'm in the Minority on that. More often than not from what I've read, AMP's are disappointing. Too many don't Rules and very little what you can do Rules. My current Provider who is not Asian is Great. She treats me very well and is worth her Donation Price. Why not find yourself a Reliable Provider in your area? In my opinion you're just wasting Money on going to a AMP. Are Asian Girls better than finding yourself a nice non Asian local Provider? How about checking out some of your local Providers? I guess if you like the level of Treatment from an AMP and the prices you're paying, then all well and good. For me I like the Quality of Service over just Satisfying a need.
This is a topic that conitnually comes up and it seems to be treated as if it should be some great mystery what a girl should get paid. That's easy, she should get paid whatever she can get.
What I should expect to pay is a different matter and a baseline is easy to establish. Median Income in Charlotte in 2011 was $50, 177. That number includes doctors and fast food workers. I think we can agree that the skillset required is about equal in difficulty to obtain as a fast food workers. In other words, they don't have much to offer in terms of rare skills. That would suggest a lower pricing. Looks are important but let's be honest, the vast majority of providers are average to below average in looks (Sammie Jean anybody?). So nothing in terms of specialized skills and marginal attractiveness suggests a lower pricing point.
What is that point? Well $50, 177 divided by 50 weeks is $1003.54. $1003.54 divided by 5 days is $200.71. So if a girl is seeing 1 customer a day it's $200, how many are seeing 2 a day though? That would suggest $100. That's the average though and I would suggest most girls rank below average in earning potential, nobody goes to college to be a working girl. In any event, I contend an eros girl could conceivably be worth the $200, a typical AMP girl $100 less her cut of the door say $80.
If I want to go out and pick up a girl, I'm spending x# of hours to meet her, get to know her and bed her, then follow up time. There's a high initial investment of hours spent for each lay but that should lower over time, again, $200 for a higher end eros girl is justifiable but for the average girls it suggests that $100 level.
[QUOTE=Sully15; 1855395]Haven't seen any reviews for Afforci up in Concord but in case anyone was wondering. Strictly legit, fully draped, not even an accidental brush of the boys. Massage was awesome, but no hot towel wipe down. Good enough for a future return. Ad says they are moving next month, closer to Charlotte.
[url]http://charlotte.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/relax-with-us-on-saturday-nice-private-environment-45-special/14224167[/url][/QUOTE]It had an earlier report at the end of July, #5289. He didn't have any luck with extras either.
Sozan, a Chinese Zen master, was asked by a student: "What is the most valuable thing in the world?" The master replied: "The head of a dead cat." "Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable thing in the world?" inquired the student. Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price."
Went to the bow a couple wknds ago. Drew "k" who I thought was hot, slender, tallish and wearing a sexy dress, no panties. Great TS. Ok rub, seemed disappointed I only wanted HE, wanted $60 right away. Then started whining bc apparently I was taking too long to finish. Total mood killer and wouldn't let me roam at all. Only after I left did I realize she never gave me change for the door fee. Gave her $60 should have gotten $10 back. Not going back there unless things get a lot better.
This is sort of off topic, and sort of a rant, but your $10 in missed change made me want to reply. One of my biggest pet peeves is being made to feel like a cheapskate (which, OK, maybe I am, but still) when I ask for my change. OR FOR WHEN I BRING EXACT CHANGE. Can't tell you how many surly looks I've gotten when a spa is running a special of. 5 instead of. 6 or. 7 instead of. 8, and I come in with exact change instead of 20s. It's like they are insulted I'm paying the exact amount they are advertising. One reason why I don't visit AMPs any more, although Jing is quite close to my house. .....
[QUOTE=Ptime5068;1857482]Went to the bow a couple wknds ago. Drew "k" who I thought was hot, slender, tallish and wearing a sexy dress, no panties. Great TS. Ok rub, seemed disappointed I only wanted HE, wanted $60 right away. Then started whining bc apparently I was taking too long to finish. Total mood killer and wouldn't let me roam at all. Only after I left did I realize she never gave me change for the door fee. Gave her $60 should have gotten $10 back. Not going back there unless things get a lot better.[/QUOTE]
Dreamed of being at Jing recently and was dissapointed with the vibe. May be the last time I dream there being that I can give 100 roses to legit therapists who actually speak english and has degrees in this stuff.
Third time I've dreamed there but this is my first post. Walked in and the girl, who I beleive was Jenny never even smiled. She began the rub with the sheet on and I told her that she can remove it. Not one bit of teasing was involved despite me grazing a few places on her as she walked by. The rub was solid and she did get a few knots out. On the flip, a little touchng before a happy ending. Very little roaming allowed and wanted more $ for me to have a view. Helped me get dressed as I looked at the clock and saw that I DID NOT get the full hour. .6 for rub, .4 tip.
$ is too much for me to leave unsatissfied.
Dreamed I visited Jing and left very disappointing. Walked in to who I believe was Jenny and didn't smile the entire time. Very weird vibe coming from her as I had to tell her she can remove the sheet during the rub. No teasing at all despite a halfway decent massage. On the flip, light touching before a HE. A little roaming allowed but no view unless I had more tip. Did not get the full hour. .6 rub, .4 tip.
$ is too much to leave dissapointed. I spend about the same for my legit masseuse and would much rather have a legit massage with someone who speaks English and cares about what I'm paying than to have a bad attitude and want more money.
No, I hear you. Normally I do have the exact amount. I think not having it threw me off, and its been awhile since I was last at an AMP, and the fact I thought she was hot and I was excited clouded my head.
[QUOTE=Bruce2345;1857946]This is sort of off topic, and sort of a rant, but your $10 in missed change made me want to reply. One of my biggest pet peeves is being made to feel like a cheapskate (which, OK, maybe I am, but still) when I ask for my change. OR FOR WHEN I BRING EXACT CHANGE. Can't tell you how many surly looks I've gotten when a spa is running a special of. 5 instead of. 6 or. 7 instead of. 8, and I come in with exact change instead of 20s. It's like they are insulted I'm paying the exact amount they are advertising. One reason why I don't visit AMPs any more, although Jing is quite close to my house. .[/QUOTE]
1. Never pay more than $40 for a HE (esp. If the door fee is $60/30 and $80 / hr) unless she is a regular and you feel generous.
2. Never pay more than $80 for FS unless its GFE.
3. If they try to negotiate during the massage, get up and leave. You will always be ripped off and unsatisfied.
4. If you can't do 3, jerk off before going to the AMP so you can think with the correct head.
5. Always have a known good backup AMP you can fall back on so you don't let desperation set in and start negotiating with the wrong head again (see 3 and 4 for more info).
6. If they don't let you see a line up they are most likely no good.
7. Learn to use the search function on this list BEFORE asking.
8. There is no piece of ass worth more than $80 U. S (circa 2013).
9. The customer is king (yes even here).
10. Make friends with the Mamma-san.
11. If it's a girl's first day then definitely GO For It. They are most likely still un-jaded and just learning the ropes and unsure. 9 times out of 10 you will get more bang for your buck from these. A safe risk.
12. There will always be one AMP to save you from another.
13. YMMV
[QUOTE=Sam Weller; 1859400]1. Never pay more than $40 for a HE (esp. If the door fee is $60/30 and $80 / hr) unless she is a regular and you feel generous.
2. Never pay more than $80 for FS unless its GFE.
3. If they try to negotiate during the massage, get up and leave. You will always be ripped off and unsatisfied.
4. If you can't do 3, jerk off before going to the AMP so you can think with the correct head.
5. Always have a known good backup AMP you can fall back on so you don't let desperation set in and start negotiating with the wrong head again (see 3 and 4 for more info).
6. If they don't let you see a line up they are most likely no good.
7. Learn to use the search function on this list BEFORE asking.
8. There is no piece of ass worth more than $80 U. S (circa 2013).
9. The customer is king (yes even here).
10. Make friends with the Mamma-san.
11. If it's a girl's first day then definitely GO For It. They are most likely still un-jaded and just learning the ropes and unsure. 9 times out of 10 you will get more bang for your buck from these. A safe risk.
12. There will always be one AMP to save you from another.
13. YMMV[/QUOTE]I couldn't say it better. Thanks Sam.
[QUOTE=Sam Weller; 1859400]1. Never pay more than $40 for a HE (esp. If the door fee is $60/30 and $80 / hr) unless she is a regular and you feel generous.
2. Never pay more than $80 for FS unless its GFE.
3. If they try to negotiate during the massage, get up and leave. You will always be ripped off and unsatisfied.
4. If you can't do 3, jerk off before going to the AMP so you can think with the correct head.
5. Always have a known good backup AMP you can fall back on so you don't let desperation set in and start negotiating with the wrong head again (see 3 and 4 for more info).
6. If they don't let you see a line up they are most likely no good.
7. Learn to use the search function on this list BEFORE asking.
8. There is no piece of ass worth more than $80 U. S (circa 2013).
9. The customer is king (yes even here).
10. Make friends with the Mamma-san.
11. If it's a girl's first day then definitely GO For It. They are most likely still un-jaded and just learning the ropes and unsure. 9 times out of 10 you will get more bang for your buck from these. A safe risk.
12. There will always be one AMP to save you from another.
13. YMMV[/QUOTE]Very well said!
I'm trying a new tactic, I let her began the massage if it feels like its going to be decent I continue normal operations. If it feels like its going to be krap, I advance to final stage. Normally involving getting her comfortable. The advantage to this is that it throws her off balance just enough for me to get the upper hand. Sun-tzu isn't just for war! LOL
Are you guys really getting full service for 80? I negotiate but never get less than 100 and that is usually for BJ then hold out hoping they would rather spread the legs.