"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1969213]So I have just recently signed up to adult friend finder for one month and so far hasn't been very promising. I should mention that I tried adult friend finder a few years ago and that was also pretty disappointing but this current time around it's even more disappointing./QUOTE]


Hey Guys a hobbyist here from Down South. For the past 3 months I have been signing up for about 6 or more sites. 2 of them I dropped money on for 1 month and then deleted profile.

ashley madison
AFF
Sugardaddy4me
arrangment finders
cougar somn somn
and 1 more I forgot.

It is all bullshit. I completed all profiles honestly and thoroughly, uploaded sane pics, no nudes. On the 2 I paid for I was pounded every day with emails and this and that. once i signed up I went back to the emails and I couldnt even pull up the profiles that had messaged me and the ones I could would not reply. On all sites I could see chicks were "adding me" or "freinding me" and when I click on the who has viewed me it had none, lol. It is all bullshit and most websites belong to AFF company. I also noticed when i clicked "online" and then found a person I would go their profile and it would say not active since 2009, lol. I hate the internet

So I am doing this update with one of my comparisons. Very very different two women, in about every way these POTs are my Southern Sexy MILF and PuertoRican Tat Hottie. So first my Southern Sexy MILF (SSM) is older 40 YO White and kind of large but not fat I would guess around 145 lbs. Attractive, and very very sexual. She is a 7/6/8/? .

My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.

SSM is very confident in herself. Very expressive and horny minx. Knows her way around her own body and a mans cock. Not the least bit shy and quite assertive. Also kind of bossy. That last part I am not too fond of. So I am just kind of laughing at her but I may cut her loose. Don't need to deal with some woman trying to be in control of our relationship. Especially if I am paying her and she aint that good looking. LMFAO on that one. But I am giving her a chance. May not call her for a few days and see what she does.

PRTH is very quiet and almost serene. I like that. No drama. In fact I have asked her three times what she wants out of our relationship and she has been consistent. She wants fun but no drama or craziness, someone she can rely on trust and give her respect. She has never mentioned money. This was really cool. Not really trying at all to be a gold digger. But I really like her. There is a strong affinity between us already. And I know she needs the money. I like her attitude no bossiness and no bullshit. Everything she has said to me has been the truth. So I made her a decent offer she needs the money and it wasn't really high but it should keep her happy and not in a desperate state. I told her 200 per week. Visit her 1 to 2 times per week. Most likely I will not be able to see her more than once a week, just because of my schedule. And she loved it she readily agreed to it and was very happy. So off to the FC we went after lunch. And she had limited time for the first time. But that is ok. First times are usually not that great especially with 19 YO. She is the second youngest I have ever had. And it was a slow and arduous process.

She has a long way to go. I was able to get her to open up and be a little more affectionate and a better kisser by the end of the session. Blow job was pretty good. Goddamn her ass is so sweet. But it is only the beginning. And she seemed to be really happy afterwards. Told me so and how much she likes our arrangement and how much she likes me. Also she has agreed we can meet at her place after we get used to each other. So I will only have the 800 a month plus occasional eating out. And a few gifts. We are scheduled to meet again tomorrow. And I am looking forward to it. Since I am betting on her and my Italian Professional Baby as my other regular no dollar baby. I may be able to have two fine women for only 800 per month and at least two fucks a week. Which is about all I can handle. With my schedule.

You know you have to really be flexible to roll with two women as different as these two. What a contrast. I am really happy with her. Any advice to bring her out of her shell would be awesome? I heard of a game called hotspotting I am going to try with her. On a later date.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

So, I have been playing in the bowl for about 4 months. I have been using CL ads to find POTs. It has been working fairly well as long as I keep the ads up. I have been contacted by well over a dozen women, probably more. Out of them, I have met with 5 POTs.

Out of them, 1 basically took me for 300, with no reward for me. That was me being stupid.

Meet one very cute 19 yo, but I could not close the deal with her. Not sure if it was the timing or she just didn't like me.

There is a 40's MILF, lots of fun, mainly in it for the sex, but was happy for the $. I still see her when I can.

Next is my ATF. She was also the first girl I met. 24 yo, latina mix, thick in the right places. She works out by pole dancing. Lots of fun. She is almost too much for me. I had to travel for work, and I was happy for the break, but I was so happy to get back to her. She is also my highest cost. At $.5, but totally worth it.

Last one is the newest, I'm calling her sweet honey. SH is a student, and working 2 or 3 jobs. So making time is a little tough, but we have done M&G and a trip to the FC. I got her on $ month allowance. Minimum 3 dates a month. I know she needs the money, and she is a lot of fun.

I have one POT in the works right now, the only problem is I have to go out of town for a few weeks. So, I will try to keep up communication while I'm gone, and hopefully close with her when I get back. She seems a little skidish, but she's still chatting with me. We will see.

Not bad for 4 months. Still need to work on getting the cost down, but I'm pretty happy for now.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1970173]
My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.[/QUOTE]When you first meet them you pray that they are gonna be little sluts, and they already are in their head. Now you just need to connect it to their body. It's called patience. You can't put a MILF in 19 year olds body (if she is a true princess), but you can enjoy the moments of being with an angel, and if you can wait, those moments will come more regularly over time. Does she just look hot or does she have raw talent? Can you wait weeks or months for improvements? Do you have enough backup while you are waiting?

Hi guys. Been lurking here for a while and reading the volumes of info.

I dipped my toes into the pool a couple months ago with some success. One of my pet peeves is paying for access to any of the sugar baby sites. I have limited funds, and it just seems counter productive to use them to pay for access to one of the sites. I tried Craigslist with no success.

What I've settled on is sugardaddytoday. Seems like most of the women are real, I've had 5 M&G of which 2 led to FC dates on the next meet. Every once in a while I get a message from someone absurdly far away but other than that there's no spam, very limited fakes, and it's free with no CC required.

Was wondering why no one has ever referenced this site on these boards? Is it possible it's never been found by anyone here?

[QUOTE=Revvo;1970173]So I am doing this update with one of my comparisons. Very very different two women, in about every way these POTs are my Southern Sexy MILF and PuertoRican Tat Hottie. So first my Southern Sexy MILF (SSM) is older 40 YO White and kind of large but not fat I would guess around 145 lbs. Attractive, and very very sexual. She is a 7/6/8/? .

My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.


Revvo.[/QUOTE]Revvo. Anyone can spread their legs or plug a hole and pump it out while thinking of other things, but kissing __at least to me _ is the most sensual and emotionally satisfying act that we can engage in. So as Hollywood says, give it time and let the "love" grow. Even though you are an "old man" to her, she will become fonder as time goes on and will become more sensual. Don't push her. Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.

I have been lurking on this thread since I got involved in the SD world back in the spring.*It has been a really fascinating, exciting, and educational year. Lots of mistakes. Good number of successes.

The suggestion has been made to read all the posts from the beginning. DO IT!*.

It took me something like two weeks to read everything but inside I found a goldmine of practical tips and motivational experiences.

-Thirdcoaster.

If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.

This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1970750]Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.[/QUOTE]Positive reinforcement is always the way to go. Unless it's a seasoned pro just going with the flow, compliments can be a great motivator for her to not be self conscious and just let go.

Revvo: I had to look up Vanessa Marcil and your spinner deserves an extra point if that's what she looks like. If the lack of skills is her only deficiency, see it as an opportunity to mold her into just what you want in the FC. She's young and probably just used to lying back in mish while a guy her age pumps twice before finishing.

Copper Fool: Am I reading correctly that you've got sweet honey on a $/ MONTH allowance for min 3 dates? That's impressive. What's your total cost with her out the pocket including room and other expenses? I was high fiving myself when I had a SB on a $/ date which were overnighters and her making me dinner every other date.

I think there were some other posts I wanted to reply to but with the activity on this board I forget what it was.

On a closing note: I've been good with keeping self identifying information locked up in the glove compartment including insurance / registration, receipts with my name and even my dry cleaning slip that I usually keep in the cup holder, when I've got a SB or POT in my car. I just realized that a scarf that I've had in the back of my car since winter started is now missing. It's not valuable or important but now I'll have to just toss things in the trunk atleast. I think one of the car dates just grabbed it along with her stuff. Has anyone else had something similar happen with getting things lifted from your car?

[QUOTE=Mattingly;1970719]Hi guys. Been lurking here for a while and reading the volumes of info.

I dipped my toes into the pool a couple months ago with some success. One of my pet peeves is paying for access to any of the sugar baby sites. I have limited funds, and it just seems counter productive to use them to pay for access to one of the sites. I tried Craigslist with no success.

What I've settled on is sugardaddytoday. Seems like most of the women are real, I've had 5 M&G of which 2 led to FC dates on the next meet. Every once in a while I get a message from someone absurdly far away but other than that there's no spam, very limited fakes, and it's free with no CC required.

Was wondering why no one has ever referenced this site on these boards? Is it possible it's never been found by anyone here?[/QUOTE]Actually, I use that site but the only luck I've had with it has been all bad. One girl lived 90 minutes away and wanted me to give sugar without giving sugar in return. Another wanted to engage in endless e. Mails and texts and then she wanted me to advance her some sugar before we even met. I still go to the site and see what's happening in my area, but the local pickings on that site are very, very slim.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027]This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.[/QUOTE]Reffin that is an awesome start. One thing I learned is to never show anger no matter what they do. There are many opportunities for them to come back after something goes wrong. It has happened to me many times.

You did great. And the amazing thing I would probably never have sent her any money. But sometimes you look at it like an investment.

And remember what I have always said the bowl is a fluid situation. It will always be filled with ups and downs. Accept it or you will be miserble.

You are doing great. Now time to lock her in. Keep building that trust and get her into a regular rotation. Establish with her how much you are going to spend on her. This will show her you are taking the lead.

Keep writing that is how you learn.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1970911]If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.[/QUOTE]You stole my playbook. LOL.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027]This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.[/QUOTE]Anything more than a $ a date would be charity.

8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.