"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]How to break the ice.
Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.[/QUOTE]You don't have to move forward, she will. Just remain in the picture with a few dollars here and there which sounds like what has been going on. It will happen she'll need a hundred and the clothes will come flying off. Don't link the money to performance but time it that way. The only problem I see is the part about the three kids and the low paying job. This is bound to get expensive. Watch for being played. I wouldn't plant both feet. Do not become emotionally involved and for God's sake don't get attached to the kids. Do not spend more than you could strike a match and burn. Watch for trends, changes in the interaction and for that it's a good idea to keep notes that you date. I think I said don't get emotionally involved and don't get attached to the kids.

So I have been on SA for a month and today I let my subscription run. I have been texting with about 6 women and so far nothing. Well last week I had my 2nd m&g with an amazing woman. She is a 22 year old college student and a part time lingerie model. This woman was stunning. We were having dinner (yes I know rookie mistake) and when she went to the bathroom the waiter said to me "Dude she is super hot". This got me thinking, was it obvious that this girl was only with me for the money or was he just your typical dumb ass who doesn't realize that you shouldn't say something like that to a customer. This kid was super dumb and super slow. Worst service every.

Well long story story she wants $500 per date! She said she has had only one other sugar daddy that she met at a bar and when he moved away a friend of hers told her about SA. She said that her previous SD gave her $800 per visit. Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from me. At least not until I have had a chance with another SB I have met once and hope to meet again this week.

I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.

So needless to say the prices are too high for me right now and I guess I need to meet more desperate women who are willing to take lower. But $500, yeah not going to happen... At least not now. I'll know I'll eventually cave in.

HAPPY HOLIDAY to all of my new friends out there.

Stay Thirsty my friends.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270}
I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.
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As I said earlier, I have had a lot of success this year in the $ range. All of these girls are attractive, the oldest was 29, and there were no "BBW"; but I wouldn't rate any of them a 10. For me an attractive 22-29 year old woman in my bed seems like a fantasy, she doesn't have to be flawless for me to count my blessings. I am fortunate to live in an urban area with a couple of colleges where there are lots of hot young women and not enough money to go around, so the pool is pretty deep. There are plenty of perfect 10 knockouts on SA here, and I have messaged my share of them but haven't gotten many nibbles from them at the $ price point, and really not many when I don't mention an amount in my opening email. I'll keep throwing my line at them; but if my wheelhouse remains the normally attractive 22-29 year old women I've been meeting, I stay in this budget, and continue to have success then I will remain very happy. Keep us posted on what happens with your future wife and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]...Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from ...[/QUOTE]My 2 cents, no SB is worth $500 for one meeting. If you've got $ to burn, mabe it means different, but not here.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]So I have been on SA for a month and today I let my subscription run. I have been texting with about 6 women and so far nothing. Well last week I had my 2nd m&g with an amazing woman. She is a 22 year old college student and a part time lingerie model. This woman was stunning. We were having dinner (yes I know rookie mistake) and when she went to the bathroom the waiter said to me "Dude she is super hot". This got me thinking, was it obvious that this girl was only with me for the money or was he just your typical dumb ass who doesn't realize that you shouldn't say something like that to a customer. This kid was super dumb and super slow. Worst service every.

Well long story story she wants $500 per date! She said she has had only one other sugar daddy that she met at a bar and when he moved away a friend of hers told her about SA. She said that her previous SD gave her $800 per visit. Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from me. At least not until I have had a chance with another SB I have met once and hope to meet again this week.

I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.

So needless to say the prices are too high for me right now and I guess I need to meet more desperate women who are willing to take lower. But $500, yeah not going to happen... At least not now. I'll know I'll eventually cave in.

HAPPY HOLIDAY to all of my new friends out there.

Stay Thirsty my friends.[/QUOTE]Keep at it bro. Top model/actress quality white girls in Hollywood are only asking $ $ $. AA and mixed are at $ $.

15-Dec I see I have 8 hot UTR girls (all 19 to 22) on my spreadsheet that have all agreed to my $ offer that I never even followed up on, as they are all obvious pros, even if they are UTR girls. The non pro search continues. Looking forward to my roommate date tonight. I only have a couple interesting POTS at this time. Lets see if any of them pull through. I couldn't wait and had a quickie with my roommate about 11 am. Took her out to trendy place downtown for dinner as a treat. Overall I am at 12 total sessions with 6 different girls (my 3 regulars plus 3 booty call girls) in 15 days. My half month expenses are at 2 k already, but I always overspend during the holidays.

16-Dec Chatted up a few POTS on my day off of dating.

17-Dec My "Princess" came over today at 1 pm for a sleepover till late tomorrow night. We did it twice today.

18-Dec Worked all day, ate dinner and then took a nap. Woke up to my baby. Spent the next 3 hours alone with her and then took her home. As the year ends I always plan for the new one. I don't see anything getting in the way of another whole year with her. I have my other 2 girls and don't have to ditch anyone. As a prior post mentioned, the breakup thing is a drag. None of that this season, which seems to be a popular time for people to do that (or for me anyway). I never carry over a bad relationship from one year over to the next. And I,m not in any bad relationships with them or any random girls. I will have to maintain things to keep them all happy. Hopefully my paycheck allows for that and the occasional interview.

19-Dec My stalker X is in jail till at least until after the new year. Hopefully 3 months of that wises her up a little. A bad girl that was trying to go good when I met her. I guess the responsibility was too much. And she went back to her old ways. Had an awesome roommate date tonite.

20-Dec Stayed home. Another boring night in Hollywood. Chatted up a few POTS.

21-Dec Did a M & G with a 18 year old pretty AA girl. Maybe a 8.5/9/8/?. She was 5'3' and about 110 lbs. Very exotic looking, doll faced girl. I hope to spend Christmas day with her, as neither of us has anywhere to go.

22-Dec Had a roommate date at 2 pm. Followed that up with a nap and a protein drink. Then it was off to my 9 pm date with my ATF MILF. Came home and passed out cold.

23-Dec Chatted up a couple POTS after work. Then went and picked up my "Little Princess" at 10 pm from the club. After we got home I pounded her like a big girl for the first time. She has come a long way. I know most guys wouldn't hang in there, but I'm glad I did. She is my AA dream girl sexy pixie princess come true. I have been with a lot of teens that are already fully matured so to speak. But I brought this one from near virginity to being as hot on the inside as she is on the outside. Having my roommate and my MILF got me through the frustrating times. I also had an end of the year heart to heart with all three about the other two (not that it was ever a secret). I just want us to be a happy family in the year going forward. No two at a time in bed or hanging out together or anything like that. Just the total acceptance and love I need to be able to stay focused on work and the bigger picture. Which is to enhance the quality of all of our lives in the coming year. With no jealousy or anxiety about the future. Life is good.

I figured I might as well put up my end of the year recap since I feel like I need a break and won't jump back in for a week.

I joined the bowl end of September I think. Probably sent out hundreds of messages on sd4 m and much of it was learning as I was doing and by reading this board regularly.

In the three months I had:

1 M&G Flake. Just didn't show after confirming an hour before and no response to any follow-ups.

8 M&G.

Out of the 8 M&G: 2 stopped responding afterwards, 3 went straight to FC from the M&G, 1 went to FC on the second date, 2 I'm still in touch with and I think it's still 50/50.

The youngest was 18 (2), the oldest was prob mid 30 (1), the majority were early 20's (4). 2 single moms-I was expecting more.

Thanks to the advice on this board, I had a form ready to go and made adjustments / changes as I saw fit.

I offer $ and cover expenses. I know for sure one of the no-followup-responses was due to the amount, but I figure anything more then I might as well hit up HX.

I even went after the ones I wasn't too interested in to use it as a learning experience. < I think this was key to my learning.

FC recap.

#1: early 20's, $/ date, FC on M&G. Saw her regularly for about 2 months with about half overnights. I wasn't too physically attracted to her but for $ I spent all night and morning in all 3 holes. I cut her off recently because I wasn't having as much fun and I found some others to fill in for now.

#2: 18, $/ date, FC on 2nd date. She's young but from what I've gathered, she's on her way to UTR if not already there. First time was great cause I haven't had an 18 yo in a while, but that wore off and her inadequate skills got to me. After a weekly first month, I've cut back to once a month and she hasn't raised an issue. I'm keeping her as a booty call as long as she keeps answering the call.

#3: 18, $/ date, FC on M&G. She's definitely an UTR even if she doesn't know it. First M&G was .12 out of pocket for drinks before I had her twice in her garage when dropping her off. I was very disappointed when I first met her. She looked nothing like her picture and much bigger than what I like, but I went along with it thinking it'd be good practice. When the clothes came off I was even more disappointed, but it was dark and I soldiered on. By the end of that night my CPO was at .06 and I figured I was done with her. Since she's so close and only $ for an all I can fuck buffet, I've returned a few times. She's got a detached garage with a couch that's become our designated FC and so far she's gone along with anything I've been wanting, so I'm keeping her around as an irregular SB as long as the terms don't change.

#4: early 20's, $.25/ date, FC on M&G. This one's the best skilled out of all 4 so far. I've been seeing her weekly since the beginning of this month. The only issue has been coordinating our schedules. She'll be my regular until one of my 2 POTs hopefully come through.

All four as far as I know are not new to the bowl and knows how it works. The 2 that dropped off contact were entirely new to the bowl and so are the 2 POTs that I'm still in contact with. I pushed for FC right away with the 2 that dropped all contact. Since I'm in no rush, I'm taking it a little slower with the 2 newbies to see if the results change.

The first couple M&G, I felt like I should give whatever she wanted to get to the FC but now my mind is thinking with more sense. The 18 yo newbie that stopped returning all messages could have asked for $date and I might have thought real hard about it. Now I realize that although they have something I want (a co-playmate in the FC), I have something they need (If one turns me down, there's probably 3 or 4 new ones popping up on sd4 m each night.

I hope some of what I wrote can be of some use to someone.

Hi fellow Bowl-ers.

I enjoy the updates and will add my own. Nothing too exciting actually, but have been with my regular SB since the summer. She is more busy these days with work and family so I have spent my time looking for new action. My current SB has never been really been great in bed but has so many other good qualities that she is simply fun to be around. She is on a monthly allowance which I now regret but will keep up for a while longer. My advice to newbies...don't go the allowance route.

Similar to Lit2, as a geezer I am easily distracted...I actually have an interesting busy life, so seeking out new POT's is not always at the top of my list. That being said I started out the year with a flake who M&G and said "follow her to her place" and slipped away by another route after getting the sugar from me. Lesson learned. I still see her ad in various places so figure she must be a professional rip-off artist. Last week had a M&G with a 35 why / o who was really rough looking, so pass on that. Cost $.0. In my area the bowl is not so deep so looking in nearby areas. From my SA ad I have one POT to meet after the holiday. We have swapped a couple emails and phone calls so looking forward to that. Since some have has success with AM I will check that out.

As an older guy with some free time, no wife and a jingle in my pocket, this is a fun way of meeting people. The escort market had gotten so seedy and nasty in my area that I gave that up log ago.

Wishing all good hunting for 2014!

Krusty.

Saw that some of my brothers are posting summaries of this past year. Sounds like a good idea and thought I would do the same:

#1. Athletic SB I had just hooked up with at the tail end of 2012. As we were starting 2013, she said she needed to put a temporary halt to our arrangement because of some personal issues going on in her life. She touched base with me periodically through the first part of the year, but after doing some internet investigative work, I found that she was being at least partially dishonest about her personal issues. To this day, I still don't know the real reasons why she called things off. Either way, the temporary halt to our arrangement became permanent. Too bad for me, I liked her an awful lot.

#2. Amateur model SB. After one evening together, I just wasn't feeling any connection with her. I think she felt the same also as she didn't try to text me after that evening.

#3. Young MILF SB. Once she got to the FC, she became cold and unresponsive and seemed like she'd rather be anywhere else. Completely turned me off. Deflected her requests for another date, which pissed her off.

#4. Shy SB. Nice enough girl, but no connection whatsoever. Two FC dates and I had to move on as I was just not feeling it.

#5. UTR "SB". She would have been a keeper had she not clearly been a semi-pro or UTR. Saw her twice and couldn't bring myself to contact for a third one as I was really turned off by whatever (or whoever) else she was doing besides me. She didn't bother to contact me either, which was fine with me.

#6. Older woman. What a strange, strange M&G that turned out to be. Only saw her once after she responded to a CL ad that was set up for POTs, but she claimed (or feigned) ignorance of the bowl. She claimed or feigned that she was in a marriage devoid of affection and intimacy and she was looking for some of that on the side. We played around a bit and it seemed like this would be the start of something fun but I never heard back from her after that night. I have no clue what happened to her or what that night was really about.

#7. Sin City SB. Hooked up with this one while visiting Vegas. We had such a great connection, I thought we might be able to build a real relationship out of it. That notion lasted about 2 weeks after I left Vegas when she cut me loose to do who knows what.

#8. Scared POT. Met up with a POT from SA. She seemed cool with everything so I drove us to the FC. From the beginning of the drive to the FC, she started making excuses why she may not be able to go through with it but then just as quickly would dismiss them. She was obviously getting cold feet but when I would offer to put the brakes on things, she said she'd be fine. But when we got to the FC she kept wavering between hot and cold. She finally made an excuse that she had to go but offered a quickie to me, which I declined. When I tried to follow up with her the next day, she said she felt ashamed of herself and didn't know if she would ever be ready. I told her to keep me in mind if she should change her mind and that was the last I heard of her.

#9. Thief SB. Very attractive SB who gave me bad attitude on our 3rd date and so that ended things. Then she contacted me again a few weeks later wanting to patch things over. So we met in the FC a couple days later and after less than an hour there when she was out of my sight for just a minute, she reached into my overnight bag and took the envelope with part of her sugar, pocketed it, then made an excuse to go out to her car and bolted. Taught me a lesson about not trusting these girls, no matter how well you think you know their character.

#10. One night SB. This girl was great, but didn't respond to texts I sent looking to set up a date beyond the first. I treated her really well and she seemed to be really into the arrangement, so I don't know what happened there.

#11. Current SB. Truly submissive and loves to please. Risk taker. Spinner. Highly sexual. Bi and actively looking for another woman to join us. If she contacted me other than to set up dates, she would be the perfect SB, but she is really lacking in communication outside of convos about date plans.

Following the tradition here. Let me post my experience.

On and off this year with mixed emotions.

1. Beautiful SB in NY: Had 3 FC meets, started with best one but then gradually we lost the interest in date 2, 3. 3rd date was at beautiful mountains, at very expensive hotel, but we did cutoff the date due to differences. Not in touch since then. Glad that chapter is over.

2. Thief SB: Met two beautiful but thief's. They went to FC but took the money and vanished. Learned the lessons...do not trust anyone. I take precautions such as hiding the money, not taking my valet, hiding keys. So on first FC date, they can either run with empty hand or wait until the end.

3. Met one 50 minutes drive, 20 year old Spaniard: Short but sweet. Talk, talk and listen. Not much action. 3 dates, and then told her not going to work...as it was one sided, dry. Well, 3 tries are enough, though SB was promising next will be better. Never mind.

4. Met another SB low 30, had pleasant time but found no connection.

5. Met SB 30's, had 3 dates, with FC. Found more business like. Even after 3 dates, and getting allowance, she always thought I won't give her allowance. She was fitness expert, had fun but I didn't like the money oriented mind. So good bye.

6. International SB; My best one. I was going for international trip, renewed my SA acct. Few only active, contacted all. 1 gave negative reply saying can't do 1 nighter. The second one. In 20's...told me she interested to meet. After several texts, we met on M&G for dinner at a very nice restaurant (5-star in that country), and then ended up FC. WOW, that was the best night of my 2013 or may be my life. Never expected...the night will turn so beautiful. I kept thinking of that night...till date. I will visit that SB (too far to meet)...but on my next trip. There was no expectations of money. Whatever I gave was ok. Very sweet, very nice and beautiful. My friends, I found my SB except...I can meet may be once a year...! Too bad...but will wait for my next one.

Back to board, looking for my SB now...don't have any regular here. My international SB, I wish you were here...

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;1964136]Hi fellow Bowl-ers.

I enjoy the updates and will add my own. Nothing too exciting actually, but have been with my regular SB since the summer. She is more busy these days with work and family so I have spent my time looking for new action. My current SB has never been really been great in bed but has so many other good qualities that she is simply fun to be around. She is on a monthly allowance which I now regret but will keep up for a while longer. My advice to newbies...don't go the allowance route.

Similar to Lit2, as a geezer I am easily distracted...I actually have an interesting busy life, so seeking out new POT's is not always at the top of my list. That being said I started out the year with a flake who M&G and said "follow her to her place" and slipped away by another route after getting the sugar from me. Lesson learned. I still see her ad in various places so figure she must be a professional rip-off artist. Last week had a M&G with a 35 why / o who was really rough looking, so pass on that. Cost $.0. In my area the bowl is not so deep so looking in nearby areas. From my SA ad I have one POT to meet after the holiday. We have swapped a couple emails and phone calls so looking forward to that. Since some have has success with AM I will check that out.

As an older guy with some free time, no wife and a jingle in my pocket, this is a fun way of meeting people. The escort market had gotten so seedy and nasty in my area that I gave that up log ago.

Wishing all good hunting for 2014!

Krusty.[/QUOTE]I first got into SBs three years ago because the escort market in smaller cities and towns was so unattractive. I think the NY / Toronto / Miami / Vegas / LA scene is probably as hot as ever, but I haven't tried it recently. SBs are a lot more fun than small town hookers.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.[/QUOTE]However you do it, make sure you appeal to the woman in her. Women love men that know what they want and actively pursue it. Compliments that seem genuine and thoughtful will get you very far. You need to be clear with your words, do not get put into "friend" zone.

1. Flirt and ask for a date. Let her know you'll cover the expenses ...including child care to get some time with her. Pick a nice restaurant, bring a gift..chocolates, gift card..etc (you know.. Date her...even if it's only once).

2. On the date, make sure to show her the appropriate attention..emotionally and physically.

3. At some point "during the date"...not at the end, you have to initiate the first kiss. So pick an activity after dinner that will allow for that. Even it's a movie, make sure to be affectionate and discrete and kiss her during the movie.

4. From there, you need to work your majic on getting to the FC. Either that night or the next date.

5. "After" you get the booty, then talk about monthly expenses you can help with if you two can continue to see each other. To much talking before hand, may scare her away because she'll feel too much like a prostitute.

I'm out of the game, but my approach was always more "date" like. So this way she feels like she would have dated you without the money, but the money is a big plus. This will help her ease into a SB role without feeling like a biz deal.

If you want it to be more SB / SD like upfront, then discussing finances more in advance would be appropriate. Just be careful because you didn't meet on a SD / SB site and the concept may make the discussion awkward. In the end, you have the potential to drop $400-$600 per month and have full access to the booty as much as you like. Even at 2 to 3 times a week, you are keeping your expenses very low. I'd start with $400.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]
Well long story story she wants $500 per date! [/QUOTE]I'm not sure how things are in your neck of the woods, but that seems like an awful lot for a SB.

I guess the benefit of SoCal is that there's always another around the corner. Literally and figuratively.

I've been told how the "previous sd" gave (insert ridiculous amount here), but stuck at $.5 at most and knew to move on. Now if you've got money to burn like J Martinez says, then that's different and you can atleast take one trip to the FC as a trophy fuck.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]
Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money. [/QUOTE]Like BT says, "dating" her first would put her at ease rather than hitting her with the business transaction first. If she's already accepting the lunch money, then it seems like you've primed her up already. Taking her out and being affectionate up front should let her know what you're looking for and would do well to keep you out of the friendzone. So I second BT's advice.

As we head into 2014 I want to check up with everyone! Has the quality and quantity of sugar babies in your area gone up or down this year?

[QUOTE=Dolato;1964911]I'm not sure how things are in your neck of the woods, but that seems like an awful lot for a SB.

I guess the benefit of SoCal is that there's always another around the corner. Literally and figuratively.

I've been told how the "previous sd" gave (insert ridiculous amount here), but stuck at $.5 at most and knew to move on. Now if you've got money to burn like J Martinez says, then that's different and you can atleast take one trip to the FC as a trophy fuck.

Like BT says, "dating" her first would put her at ease rather than hitting her with the business transaction first. If she's already accepting the lunch money, then it seems like you've primed her up already. Taking her out and being affectionate up front should let her know what you're looking for and would do well to keep you out of the friendzone. So I second BT's advice.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for the advice.