Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

We need a chat room. Sitting here drinking a chard and smoking a cigar. A chat would be nice. Surely someone is awake in Memphis or Cincinnati besides me. I can't be the only USA monger awake now.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2438736]I got lazy. I allowed, through discussions and intimacy, her to obtain info I should have never given. Anyone who has seen a provider for a long time, who you have gotten to know well, probably knows what I am talking about. Casual conversation, allowing them access to things, etc.

I will never make this mistake again. I have learned my lesson and in so doing I hope this educates a few mongers out there to never do what I did, regardless of how well you think you know the person.

A few of you have PMed saying I ought to rough her up but I have kids, a wife, etc. That is just not me anyway. Maybe that is why she is trying this. She knows I would never physically harm her. At any rate, learn from my mistakes, is the bottom line.[/QUOTE]And for those of you that think you are immune to being cuuuntstruck, you just haven't been doing this long enough (25+ years here) cause that is the first step on the slippery slope: thinking you are immune.

With that said, this is why we post more than reviews here. Search is your friend. You will find horror stories and solutions. Don't be afraid to stand on the shoulders of giants. You can find great advice here; even if it comes from an old post where one of us admits to screwing up, and the others offer "next time" advice. While a lawyer might be the best end game, it is the last resort. I think you have other options before you go to defcon 4. PM me and I will try to help you, paying the debt that those that came before me and mentored me through similar troubles.

To all of you: If you don't yet have an executable exit plan, start putting one together. Better to have one and not need it, than to try to scramble at the last minute, if you fuck up.

I could go for something like that. Don't know how that would play into the heavy moderation workflow they have here though.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2439044]We need a chat room. Sitting here drinking a chard and smoking a cigar. A chat would be nice. Surely someone is awake in Memphis or Cincinnati besides me. I can't be the only USA monger awake now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Glockman;2439044]We need a chat room. Sitting here drinking a chard and smoking a cigar. A chat would be nice. Surely someone is awake in Memphis or Cincinnati besides me. I can't be the only USA monger awake now.[/QUOTE]Jax and I have been thinking about this. As you guys know our priorities are always in order, pussy first work second, it's why everything takes so long here, we get a lot of pussy. Anyway, we have been talking for the last year about having a subscription site that would cost money, (no idea how much) but one of the things we are thinking about deploying in that is live regional chat. That way guys could shoot the breeze and chicks could get on there. That would be one of the enhanced features that would be involved in a pay site, or pay area.

It would be expensive to build and not worth it unless guys were paying for it, otherwise the douchebags would just take trolling to a new level, but we are talking about it.

Maybe sometime this year.

A2.

P.S., for all you cheap bastards freaking out about the words pay site, we are not contemplating changing this site, we are thinking about what expensive to build or buy features that serious mongers might find enough value in to give us the price of a couple packs a smokes a month for.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2439271]I could go for something like that. Don't know how that would play into the heavy moderation workflow they have here though.[/QUOTE]Not sure how it would be monitored, but I would definitely participate and pay a bit for a feature like that. Another yay vote, A2!

I would pay for that sort of enhanced functionality.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2439301]Jax and I have been thinking about this. As you guys know our priorities are always in order, pussy first work second, it's why everything takes so long here, we get a lot of pussy. Anyway, we have been talking for the last year about having a subscription site that would cost money, (no idea how much) but one of the things we are thinking about deploying in that is live regional chat. That way guys could shoot the breeze and chicks could get on there. That would be one of the enhanced features that would be involved in a pay site, or pay area.

It would be expensive to build and not worth it unless guys were paying for it, otherwise the douchebags would just take trolling to a new level, but we are talking about it.

Maybe sometime this year.

A2.

P.S., for all you cheap bastards freaking out about the words pay site, we are not contemplating changing this site, we are thinking about what expensive to build or buy features that serious mongers might find enough value in to give us the price of a couple packs a smokes a month for.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2438736]I got lazy. I allowed, through discussions and intimacy, her to obtain info I should have never given. Anyone who has seen a provider for a long time, who you have gotten to know well, probably knows what I am talking about. Casual conversation, allowing them access to things, etc.

I will never make this mistake again. I have learned my lesson and in so doing I hope this educates a few mongers out there to never do what I did, regardless of how well you think you know the person.

A few of you have PMed saying I ought to rough her up but I have kids, a wife, etc. That is just not me anyway. Maybe that is why she is trying this. She knows I would never physically harm her. At any rate, learn from my mistakes, is the bottom line.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I've made my share of mistakes too. For example, I once saw a provider at the biggest shit hole on Dream Street with laptop and other work stuff in my vehicle. Fortunately, nothing bad happened. I lucked out.

I've never given my real first name to a provider before. But I have come close to breaking that rule. Why? Probably for the same reasons many mongers have broken mongering rules. We start to get attached. I know I have started to get attached if I've seen them at least a few times.

Of course, the advice in that case is to know that it's happening and to allow the big head to prevail over the little one. But as always, this is easier said than done. Hope this all works out for you in the end.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2439271]I could go for something like that. Don't know how that would play into the heavy moderation workflow they have here though.[/QUOTE]You don't need much moderation on pay sites. People pay and if they fuck up you throw them off, then they lose their money. It's not like here where they just create a new user. They would have to pay again.

I pay for the international site under the same handle. It's interesting, but it hasn't helped me yet, to the point that I don't even bother logging in lately. This site, on the other hand, provides nearly daily / weekly value. Realtime chat is much more worthwhile.

Also, I dunno that whole money thing. I don't behave myself just because I'm paying. If I'm going to be a dick, then that's what I'll be whether you have my whopping $15 per year or not. I'm sure it's not hard to see who's trying to chip in and who isn't.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2439712]You don't need much moderation on pay sites. People pay and if they fuck up you throw them off, then they lose their money. It's not like here where they just create a new user. They would have to pay again.[/QUOTE]

1. Don't EVER PAY! This is beneficial ONLY to the provider, not only does it give her an idea of your actual fear of being revealed, but it also encourages her to do it to the next client.

2. She's just as fearful of being exposed to her community as YOU ARE, flip the table and tell her how you had your phone on several occasions taping tour services, not for blackmail purposes, just for later reviewing of a great time, though now your glad you did as it will help show the world who she is and what she does, it's easy to blur out your own face and distort your own voice, YouTube has a free channel and Facebook allows videos too, let her know you will make flyers if needed of just her in positions un tasteful to community standards and plaster them anonymously through her home area, or her families home area.

3. Don't play the victim or show fear or remorse, tell her she not only lost a steady income, but just ruined her own reputation as a provider because you intend on warning other clients on every forum of hat she did!

4. Finally, fight DIRTY, she broke a rule! Which means playing fair is now off the table, let her know you'll go above and beyond what's needed, let her know for her even considering hurting a family that had nothing to do with her, she has crossed a line of no return, tell her from this day forward, all of your spare time will be used to locate her, warn every guy before he walks thru her door, and let her know you've taken the time to to make a police report about her texting you, threatening you, and I've seen a monger on here sent me text messages he obviously manipulated, I don't how how he did it, but I know what I texted him and I had it still on my phone, yet he sent pictures of screen shots of text messages that had been altered to say things that was never said!! So there must be apps on smart phones or computers where people who are computer savvy can alter texts.

Stick to your guns, tell her you've prepared your family for a possible situation where a girl has been flirting with you and manipulated texts, so she has no ammo on you!

I had to help a client of mine out of a situation like this before, it doesn't take much to stall out these attempts. Bottom line don't communicate after you've said your part, show no fear, and don't EVER PAY!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2439712]You don't need much moderation on pay sites. People pay and if they fuck up you throw them off, then they lose their money. It's not like here where they just create a new user. They would have to pay again.[/QUOTE]Keep us night owls in mind. But as A2 knows, I'm getting awfully close to forced retirement. But there's sill a little life left in me.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2439830]I pay for the international site under the same handle. It's interesting, but it hasn't helped me yet, to the point that I don't even bother logging in lately. This site, on the other hand, provides nearly daily / weekly value. Realtime chat is much more worthwhile.

Also, I dunno that whole money thing. I don't behave myself just because I'm paying. If I'm going to be a dick, then that's what I'll be whether you have my whopping $15 per year or not. I'm sure it's not hard to see who's trying to chip in and who isn't.[/QUOTE]It wouldn't be 15 bucks a year, it would be more than that.

Since there are over 400,000 registered members on the forum it's not what one guy would do it's what 1000's would do, and 1000's need less moderation when it costs money.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2440029]It wouldn't be 15 bucks a year, it would be more than that.

Since there are over 400,000 registered members on the forum it's not what one guy would do it's what 1000's would do, and 1000's need less moderation when it costs money.[/QUOTE]As of now, ladies who honestly list themself as providers, evn as senior members must get approval before post hits the feed, if this pay site makes it, do providers as well as mongers finally get to post openly and it post just as senior mongers go without approval first?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=CurvyChristina;2440145]As of now, ladies who honestly list themself as providers, evn as senior members must get approval before post hits the feed, if this pay site makes it, do providers as well as mongers finally get to post openly and it post just as senior mongers go without approval first?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I know the chicks don't like it and it's not that we don't love chicks because we do. Here's the issue; there are provider sites where you guys get to blacklist guys where men can't even become members and see what has been posted let alone respond to what has been posted. The USASG has been a success for all these years because we have a pretty narrow focus. The purpose of this forum has been, is, and always will be, a place for men to talk about women for sex.

We make no apologies for this, there are very few places left in the USA where men are still allowed to let the disgusting little boys that live inside of all of us come out and play. This site isn't a public trust, it's a privately owned, for profit enterprise, we need to make decisions based on what is best for the continuing success of our business. If we allowed the ladies to post openly then every thread on this forum would devolve into he said / she said and most of us have lived through that with our ex wives and have no desire whatsoever to do it again.

We have rules here, more than half of the rules are designed to protect providers from having non-subjective detrimental info posted about them. Guys can't say chicks have an STD (unless there is unimpeachable evidence to back them up, they can't say who you really are, specifically where you live, what your number is. (though lots of Seniors do but if a chick reports it I make it go away) What they will never be able to do is to post openly giving "their side. " It will never happen. I've explained to many women that all professional customer relations models will tell you that under no circumstances should you engage argumentatively with customers that write bad reviews, there is no possible upside to this behavior, in all cases it will hurt your business. This isn't me speaking, I've worked with the public for over 30 years and have had extensive training in this area. It's an argument you can never win. If for no other reason than this, simply by engaging you give their argument legs, you give them a chance to respond again, you make more people read it by responding. So our policy is actually good business for you.

We are fair guys though and one of the things we are planning is a chicks only forum that will only be open to providers that have paid advertising at the USA Adult Classifieds, men will not be able to either post, nor read the information that is there. It's not a question of wanting to shut you ladies up, it's a business decision based on what we see as a perceived need by our members. I'm sure there will never be a single woman that will ever complain about the exclusivity of the provider forum once it's operating.

I get that. I was using the International site as a reference. I don't remember, but it was a pretty cheap amount for the year.

Anyway, whatever the amount is, if it provides enough value people will pay. And you're right, they tend to behave when they have skin in the game.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2440029]It wouldn't be 15 bucks a year, it would be more than that.[/QUOTE]