Anyone had experience with Sarafina both as masseuse and provider? Her pics look great but $$ What does she mean by "companion" 1 hr at $800?
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Anyone had experience with Sarafina both as masseuse and provider? Her pics look great but $$ What does she mean by "companion" 1 hr at $800?
Okay so I really wanted to see heather.
But she was like 2 hrs of driving not on a Thursday night.
Took Marie Offer instead "anything's goes option".
Funny she says anything goes but want you to pay extra to video. Okay got inside told her what I wanted and she was cool.
Told me she doesn't really do creampie like that (whatever).
Place was okay. Bedroom was off limits so it was couch or floor only.
Marie looks likes photos but idk she was prego or just fat weird like a little round belly in-front.
Hit her shit 3 times.
All doggy 1st had her bend over on the couch.
2nd had her on all 4's on the floor went deep and slow just yanking her hair back.
She had the collar around her neck before I got there so I knew it was demon time.
Last pop I was just long stroking her she was loving that.
Loving it so good she angrily told me don't cum until she does lmaooo.
Filled her right up when I was ready.
Marie was cool.
I maybe would return if I couldn't find anything else.
Stay safe mongers.
I'd love to see this one! Hoping someone can provide some info on her. Thanks in advance!
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[QUOTE=Chanders;5482790]Anyone had experience with Sarafina both as masseuse and provider? Her pics look great but $$ What does she mean by "companion" 1 hr at $800?[/QUOTE]Who are you talking about? Have you got a pic or link?
I searched all of CT on STG for escorts and masseuses, likewise this forum, nothing found.
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5483271]Who are you talking about? Have you got a pic or link?
I searched all of CT on STG for escorts and masseuses, likewise this forum, nothing found.[/QUOTE]Eros girl sir.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6850238.htm?cat=1[/URL]
-Rich.
[QUOTE=RichardFuld;5483422]Eros girl sir.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6850238.htm?cat=1[/URL]
-Rich.[/QUOTE]My gut tells me she's a high end wannabe perhaps just starting out. No reviews found on TER or elsewhere. Using a text number out of Flushing NY.
Even if she granted you your best dream, could you do better elsewhere for less than 800? Probably. Some gents have bucks to blow but it begs the question, "why Htfd?" She might easily get that in NY, LA, Chicago, etc. Even her lower end rates are overpriced. Maybe there's a winning lotto daddy out there willing to TOFTT.
My two cents.
BMD.
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5483627]My gut tells me she's a high end wannabe perhaps just starting out. No reviews found on TER or elsewhere. Using a text number out of Flushing NY.
Even if she granted you your best dream, could you do better elsewhere for less than 800? Probably. Some gents have bucks to blow but it begs the question, "why Htfd?" She might easily get that in NY, LA, Chicago, etc. Even her lower end rates are overpriced. Maybe there's a winning lotto daddy out there willing to TOFTT.
My two cents.
BMD.[/QUOTE]Hey All! I've seen her about a year ago when she was passing through. I went for the nuru / massage for I think 300. I had assumed it was FS at that price. My mistake. I got 40 minutes of body to body stimulation. When I started the actual sex manuvers she told me that FS was 400 which was a "date". Well she offered up a HJ but I haven't beeb back (and she doubled her prices) Ho pussy is worth 800/ hour imo. Stay safe all! Chel.
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[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5483627]My gut tells me she's a high end wannabe perhaps just starting out. No reviews found on TER or elsewhere. Using a text number out of Flushing NY.
Even if she granted you your best dream, could you do better elsewhere for less than 800? Probably. Some gents have bucks to blow but it begs the question, "why Htfd?" She might easily get that in NY, LA, Chicago, etc. Even her lower end rates are overpriced. Maybe there's a winning lotto daddy out there willing to TOFTT.
My two cents.
BMD.[/QUOTE]Yup that's my gut reaction too. Anyways Chanders was interested not me, too much of a unknown for me.
NEXT.
Hey All! Had some fun with her the other day. This is my 3rd experience with her. She was Marry of Olita pre-Covid when I saw her for the first time.
I dig this chick! She is giggly and very pretty with a beautiful body and a great ass though she's probably a b-cup. I bring massage oil and really oil her up and sliding mini-Chelovec between the cheeks (not Greek, but its available +200).
After some bbj we did as many positions that I could do at my age (LOL), got the cover off and she treated me to a very sensual HJ with lots of eye contact and "encouragement'. Busted hard.
I would see her much more often but age has me slowed down.
Stay safe!
Chel.
[QUOTE=Chelovec;5483640]Hey All! I've seen her about a year ago when she was passing through. I went for the nuru / massage for I think 300. I had assumed it was FS at that price. My mistake. I got 40 minutes of body to body stimulation. When I started the actual sex manuvers she told me that FS was 400 which was a "date". Well she offered up a HJ but I haven't beeb back (and she doubled her prices) Ho pussy is worth 800/ hour imo. Stay safe all! Chel.[/QUOTE]Odd that after a year, no TER reviews. I searched by name and number, unless her info has changed. If you’re a member at TER, post her review. Overpriced and underperforming, a real shame.
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[QUOTE=Chelovec;5483673]Hey All! Had some fun with her the other day. This is my 3rd experience with her. She was Marry of Olita pre-Covid when I saw her for the first time.
I dig this chick! She is giggly and very pretty with a beautiful body and a great ass though she's probably a b-cup. I bring massage oil and really oil her up and sliding mini-Chelovec between the cheeks (not Greek, but its available +200).
After some bbj we did as many positions that I could do at my age (LOL), got the cover off and she treated me to a very sensual HJ with lots of eye contact and "encouragement'. Busted hard.
I would see her much more often but age has me slowed down.
Stay safe!
Chel.[/QUOTE]I saw her on her last visit and May again. I have screenshots of her when she was "Maria" a few years ago. Maybe she was "Marry", too?
Also, after Nancy, Vlada will be returning.
BMD.
[QUOTE=BlueFox141;5473444]Exactly! There are guys on here that rail about how poorly these girls run their business. Then, they go into how businesses should be run and how simple it is to do good business practices. My point was, these girls have no clue, nor do they care about running a business.
Blue.[/QUOTE]If they took it a little more seriously I. E punctuality like if they say 15 minutes you she should take no longer than 20. Be washed. Keep from sketchy areas and characters. Some girls are sitting on gold a week in Hawaii or New York they can get some serious players but they choose to the path of least resistance. So they get high and only care about gettijg you out the door so they can get high shit some times they don't even wait nodding out with your pecker in their mouth. I recent quit these hoes they are all the same. And if you they are different. They are just better at hiding it.
[QUOTE=MilfHunter12;5480752]MILF Morgan in Meriden. Lot of teasing, but edging, follows instructions. No cim, but acts like she likes to please. Doesn't post often anymore, but has a web site.[/QUOTE]Can you share the website for Morgan.
[QUOTE=BlueFox141;5473444]Exactly! There are guys on here that rail about how poorly these girls run their business. Then, they go into how businesses should be run and how simple it is to do good business practices. My point was, these girls have no clue, nor do they care about running a business.
Blue.[/QUOTE]While we can see their potential income possibilities, it is not their reality.
STG girls live minute by minute for what suits their current needs, typically drugs, pills, booze, or money.
BMD.
[QUOTE=BoyWonder9;5355745]First of all she tells me yesterday she has a roomie for the rest of the week so anyone who wants to see her needs to ad $50 for the room. No matter how sweet they all have issues.
Second I did not offer up the digits to anyone I have not given them to before. Right now sitting on over 20 PM's and several requests on the board. Why not share you ask? It's not as simple as passing on her digits. She want's your # and name so she can text you. Honestly it's a pain in the butt but that's how she wants it. Work is crazy this week so I have little free time. Also I will only share these with seniors who have contributed regularly. She is a true gem.
To those I have already shared her info with I am curious how many have gotten to see her and how your experience was?
For those who requested her # and who are contributing seniors (you know who you are) send me your # and contact name and I will pass onto to her. If you are willing to pick up the room note that. For me personally I would do that. $150 + $50 is totally worth it for this vixen IMHO.[/QUOTE]You still seeing her?
[QUOTE=OgOggilby;5484125]You still seeing her?[/QUOTE]I still see her periodically. Saw her less than two weeks ago. She has her roommate there this week but will be back to incalls starting this month.
She also does outcall to the Htfd area.
She no longer advertises and is UTR. *She wants only trusted, long term senior members*.
I'm not sure if BoyWonder is relaying with her but she's discussed with me so PM me, if you wish, for further info.
BMD.
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Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=CrashDiced;5485311]This post interests me but I'd love to know if any of you have seen her.
Thanks in advance.
[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/star888[/URL][/QUOTE]Just read posts 13527,13537, and 13539.
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BMD.
[QUOTE=RichardFuld;5483422]Eros girl sir.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6850238.htm?cat=1[/URL]
-Rich.[/QUOTE]Oof. Where to start with this one. Seen her twice. Once for a rub, once FS. The rub was okay, but way overpriced (literally no more than an are&t), but she was hot enough and teased enough that I came back next time for FS. Big mistake. First (and this was a year or so ago when her prices were much more reasonable, though still expensive), it was singularly unenthusiastic. Like, she acted like she was just doing me a favor. In fact, that's her whole attitude. She's absolutely stunning, and she knows it, so she acts like a miserable pain in the ass the whole time. Her whole shtick is betting on suckers to break the bank for her services because she's hot, and she puts no effort in. Avoid at all costs.
If you want someone attractive but not full of themselves, go for the TB or maybe OE.
[QUOTE=Chelovec;5483673]Hey All! Had some fun with her the other day. This is my 3rd experience with her. She was Marry of Olita pre-Covid when I saw her for the first time.
I dig this chick! She is giggly and very pretty with a beautiful body and a great ass though she's probably a b-cup. I bring massage oil and really oil her up and sliding mini-Chelovec between the cheeks (not Greek, but its available +200).
After some bbj we did as many positions that I could do at my age (LOL), got the cover off and she treated me to a very sensual HJ with lots of eye contact and "encouragement'. Busted hard.
I would see her much more often but age has me slowed down.
Stay safe!
Chel.[/QUOTE]Great report man.
She used to have TER reviews, but like others with bad reviews, she got them pulled. I have never seen her but conversed with her shortly over text once. I believe the reviews I did see before they were deleted. She is stunningly gorgeous but is clearly some failed fashion model. Some who went for $800 "companion" or GFE said she was worth it but clearly YMMV. There was BBBJ at that price. To most people, she is rude and uppity. For her prices ($400 for Nuru HJ), stay away.
Search 'Sarafina Bay' on YouTube and she's the first person that pops up.
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5483738]Odd that after a year, no TER reviews. I searched by name and number, unless her info has changed. If youre a member at TER, post her review. Overpriced and underperforming, a real shame.
BMD[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Judddy;5482818]Okay so I really wanted to see heather.
But she was like 2 hrs of driving not on a Thursday night.
Took Marie Offer instead "anything's goes option".
Funny she says anything goes but want you to pay extra to video. Okay got inside told her what I wanted and she was cool.
Told me she doesn't really do creampie like that (whatever).
Place was okay. Bedroom was off limits so it was couch or floor only.
Marie looks likes photos but idk she was prego or just fat weird like a little round belly in-front.
Hit her shit 3 times.
All doggy 1st had her bend over on the couch.
2nd had her on all 4's on the floor went deep and slow just yanking her hair back.
She had the collar around her neck before I got there so I knew it was demon time.
Last pop I was just long stroking her she was loving that.
Loving it so good she angrily told me don't cum until she does lmaooo.
Filled her right up when I was ready.
Marie was cool.
I maybe would return if I couldn't find anything else.
Stay safe mongers.[/QUOTE]$200 too damn much LOL.
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[QUOTE=RetiredbbcMonger860;5486508]$200 too damn much LOL.
[URL]https://new-haven.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/marie-203694-0205-203684-6910/751334245545[/URL][/QUOTE]I think the story changes with her stomach issue. To me it seems like some kind of hernia issue. It's been like that for a while now. I was hoping it might have resolved since I was thinking about visiting. Was it large or just a minor belly now?
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Any Info?
[QUOTE=BlackBook12;5486858][URL]https://hartford.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/friday-fun/812269349393[/URL]
Any Info?[/QUOTE]I suspect a scammer / spammer based on a cursory glance.
1. Local area code but belongs to: I DO STREAM LLC (860) 553-3827 is a voip number serviced by Pinger - [URL]Bandwidth.com[/URL] - Sybase365.
2, old phone.
3, calls herself a "down to earth chick" - do women talk like that?
4, pics look old style, too.
I could be wrong but I wouldn't visit her, not my type anyway.
BMD.
[QUOTE=MadPlaid;5486816]I think the story changes with her stomach issue. To me it seems like some kind of hernia issue. It's been like that for a while now. I was hoping it might have resolved since I was thinking about visiting. Was it large or just a minor belly now?[/QUOTE]Here's a working link with pics for future searches.
[URL]https://new-haven.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/marie-203694-0205-203684-6910/268287907191[/URL]
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[QUOTE=JohnAbrams888;5486373]She used to have TER reviews, but like others with bad reviews, she got them pulled. I have never seen her but conversed with her shortly over text once. I believe the reviews I did see before they were deleted. She is stunningly gorgeous but is clearly some failed fashion model. Some who went for $800 "companion" or GFE said she was worth it but clearly YMMV. There was BBBJ at that price. To most people, she is rude and uppity. For her prices ($400 for Nuru HJ), stay away.
Search 'Sarafina Bay' on YouTube and she's the first person that pops up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5483738]Odd that after a year, no TER reviews. I searched by name and number, unless her info has changed. If youre a member at TER, post her review. Overpriced and underperforming, a real shame.
BMD[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RichardFuld;5483422]Eros girl sir.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6850238.htm?cat=1[/URL]
-Rich.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chanders;5482790]Anyone had experience with Sarafina both as masseuse and provider? Her pics look great but $$ What does she mean by "companion" 1 hr at $800?[/QUOTE]You tube, 5 second video.
[URL]https://youtu.be/z4T3jCRQ2fE[/URL]
BMD.
She's real and has been around awhile. Search Sky / Skylar / summer.
Looks just like her pics. She's sweet and did a great job sucking some cock. She's straight forward. No obvious signs of demons but they are there.
Broad menu. Keep us posted. Repeat for me.
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5486891]I suspect a scammer / spammer based on a cursory glance.
1. Local area code but belongs to: I DO STREAM LLC (860) 553-3827 is a voip number serviced by Pinger - [URL]Bandwidth.com[/URL] - Sybase365.
2, old phone.
3, calls herself a "down to earth chick" - do women talk like that?
4, pics look old style, too.
I could be wrong but I wouldn't visit her, not my type anyway.
BMD.[/QUOTE]
Although, the correct phrase should be no holes barred. And very likely, her anal practices could be a cause of the bloated stomach. Maybe not, but very well could be.
[QUOTE=MadPlaid;5486816]I think the story changes with her stomach issue. To me it seems like some kind of hernia issue. It's been like that for a while now. I was hoping it might have resolved since I was thinking about visiting. Was it large or just a minor belly now?[/QUOTE]
Just saw her today. What a classy girl. Very sweet and attractive. She looks exactly like the video and the pictures of her with the laptop. Standard TB rate. I'm not picky with options so I cannot speak to that. But if your looking for a mid height. Smoking hot girl. She fits the bill. Amazing hair.
Got a text Sun from a hot ex regular who has been lying low since covid 4/20 was last time I was with her. She wanted to come over an chill an F.
Arrived with 3 boxes of Popeyes. Ate outside an caught up. She had her covid vac card with her so all was good. Half of you seniors have F her in the past.
4 hours later she left $75 richer an me $75 happier. She caught up for lost time in bed for sure.
Any of you fellow members familiar with this agency (Miami Elite Companions)?? I've noticed a few of their posts of girls touring Hartford but have never plunged into the experience.
Here is their website link:
[URL]http://miami-elite.co/[/URL]
And here is the Eros Ad for one of their girls visiting Hartford. Colombian Dayana:
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6357454.htm?cat=6208&wn=1[/URL]
Just trying to make sure they are legit and if anyone here has had a positive experience it would go a long way in making future interested parties such as myself comfortable going forward.
[QUOTE=CaboWabo22;5487056]Just saw her today. What a classy girl. Very sweet and attractive. She looks exactly like the video and the pictures of her with the laptop. Standard TB rate. I'm not picky with options so I cannot speak to that. But if your looking for a mid height. Smoking hot girl. She fits the bill. Amazing hair.[/QUOTE]Tell us about the fun part. GFE? BBBJ vs CBJ? Daty? Dfk?
You say, "I'm not picky with options so I cannot speak to that. " Why not? Weren’t you there?
You've written only about her appearance.
Fill us in on the important details since it's 400/ hr.
https://www.travelingbrazilians.com/model-violet-39450
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[QUOTE=MasterLink;5487163]Any of you fellow members familiar with this agency (Miami Elite Companions)?? I've noticed a few of their posts of girls touring Hartford but have never plunged into the experience.
Here is their website link:
[URL]http://miami-elite.co/[/URL]
And here is the Eros Ad for one of their girls visiting Hartford. Colombian Dayana:
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6357454.htm?cat=6208&wn=1[/URL]
Just trying to make sure they are legit and if anyone here has had a positive experience it would go a long way in making future interested parties such as myself comfortable going forward.[/QUOTE]They may be legit as they've been around but I wasn't going to give them my personal info.
I would check other review sites before relying on any agency's reputation. That was ok in the old days but no longer. We seen evidence of that fluck-uation with TB, Olita’s, etc.
BMD.
[QUOTE=BlackBook12;5486858][URL]https://hartford.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/friday-fun/812269349393[/URL]
Any Info?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5486891]I suspect a scammer / spammer based on a cursory glance.
1. Local area code but belongs to: I DO STREAM LLC (860) 553-3827 is a voip number serviced by Pinger - [URL]Bandwidth.com[/URL] - Sybase365.
2, old phone.
3, calls herself a "down to earth chick" - do women talk like that?
4, pics look old style, too.
I could be wrong but I wouldn't visit her, not my type anyway.
BMD.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Incantation;5486959]She's real and has been around awhile. Search Sky / Skylar / summer.
Looks just like her pics. She's sweet and did a great job sucking some cock. She's straight forward. No obvious signs of demons but they are there.
Broad menu. Keep us posted. Repeat for me.[/QUOTE]Please give us further session details? A broad menu?
There's already a Sky / Skylar and a Summer with reviews but they are both blondes.
Can you supply a link or post numbers for us to view?
Also, what you mean, " Keep us posted?" Who is "us”?
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[QUOTE=Chanders;5482790]Anyone had experience with Sarafina both as masseuse and provider? Her pics look great but $$ What does she mean by "companion" 1 hr at $800?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/6850238.htm?cat=1[/URL]
Sarafina is definitely real and I have experienced both her massage and companion services. She is also quite beautiful and sexy, her pictures are real, check out her Instagram to see a bunch more. She is a published model.
I visited her last fall when her menu and pricing was a little different. I signed up for the Tantric at four hundy. My only other tantric was a few years ago (in Hawaii) and it started as a professional head to toe massage, gradually got more sensual and climaxed with a mind blowing release that was full service and so much more.
Sarafina's tantric massage started very professionally (except on a bed rather than a table), and it was quite good. She has talented and strong hands despite her feminine persona. She uses CBD oil and that had me more relaxed than I had planned. About 20-30 minutes in she added a more slippery oil, disrobed, and began a nuru style slip which got me a lot more revved up. Eventually I spun around to get face to face (and face to breasts) and it was then that she made it clear that her tantric massage was only a rub and tug. She allowed me to upgrade (2+4=6) and also allowed me to run over a bit and we wrapped up the session nicely with an awesome BBBJ, passionate DFK, and cfs. It was worthy of a repeat and I did, going for just the companion experience at 6, it was great and I remember msog. At the time, pre vaccine, there weren't yet many visitors of her caliber coming to Hartford so I decided to splurge. At 8, she's now definitely out of my range. I'd love to see Sarafina again but I just can't get past the sticker shock.
I've been following the pricing discussion here and Sarafina's pricing certainly gives food for thought. My guess is that she'd be happy to receive just one or two FS service clients a day at her price rather than make more money by seeing a lot more at a more reasonable price. Especially if she can supplement that with her high priced massages. The clients willing to play that price probably also appreciate her selectivity and the increased availability that comes with it.
If you're looking for a more reasonably priced vixen, with an insatiable willingness to please, then I highly recommend seeing Melody, she was in great form yesterday, today is her last day:
[URL]https://www.eros.com/connecticut/hartford/files/7368479.htm?cat=1[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5486891]I suspect a scammer / spammer based on a cursory glance.
1. Local area code but belongs to: I DO STREAM LLC (860) 553-3827 is a voip number serviced by Pinger - [URL]Bandwidth.com[/URL] - Sybase365.
2, old phone.
3, calls herself a "down to earth chick" - do women talk like that?
4, pics look old style, too.
I could be wrong but I wouldn't visit her, not my type anyway.
BMD.[/QUOTE]I've always scrolled right by her ads figuring she was fake, as well. This weekend, she posted a few ads with a doubles partner. Her partner used to post fairly often in the Middletown section of STG saying she needed dates so that she could keep her room. I don't recall what name she used to post under, and she hasn't posted in at least a month or more before she suddenly popped up with "Sky" this weekend. I recall seeing only one positive review for her in the past, not enough to be confident enough to make the outreach, even though I like her look (especially the third photo I attached).
Incantation needs to give us more details of his date with Sky so that is mongers can make an informed decision whether or not to see her, too.
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[QUOTE=RonOne;5487133]Got a text Sun from a hot ex regular who has been lying low since covid 4/20 was last time I was with her. She wanted to come over an chill an F.
Arrived with 3 boxes of Popeyes. Ate outside an caught up. She had her covid vac card with her so all was good. Half of you seniors have F her in the past.
4 hours later she left $75 richer an me $75 happier. She caught up for lost time in bed for sure.[/QUOTE]Does she plan on posting again soon, Ron?
[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5487186]Tell us about the fun part. GFE? BBBJ vs CBJ? Daty? Dfk?
You say, "I'm not picky with options so I cannot speak to that. " Why not? Werent you there?
You've written only about her appearance.
Fill us in on the important details since it's 400/ hr.
https://www.travelingbrazilians.com/model-violet-39450
BMD[/QUOTE]BBBJ, didn't try DATY or french kissing. She took directions and let me pick positions. I'm pretty vanilla so I think most girls would be down with whatever I want.
Generally I am disappointed with the appearance. That's why I covered that more than performance. Is 400 worth it? To me it was. Most with is trolls now. And if they aren't it's such slim pickings that I won't have the time.