Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324590]No they did a great job and you know why because we still had pandemic response team at the time that did their jobs and it's insane to me that you still think Trump did a better job despite the horrible death rate under his administration.[/QUOTE]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

Finally would the three or four of you sucking Bidens Dick please tell us why without referencing the former president. Or do you hate trump so much you will suck an old mans cock to get rid of him.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324760]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

[/QUOTE]10,000+ people died of H1 N1 in the US while COVID-19 deaths are 500,000+ that to me said says everything plus there's the fact other countries handle pandemic far better than we did whose deaths are only in the two digits because they implanted REAL lockdown measures not the barely half ass measures the other guy did.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324760]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

Finally would the three or four of you sucking Bidens Dick please tell us why without referencing the former president. Or do you hate trump so much you will suck an old mans cock to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]There seems to be some trump revisionist history going on here with some of you numbskulls. This is what's driving you trumpers crazy. Biden's leadership, competency and empathy. A skill set trump has never had and never will. Bottom line, trump fucked up the pandemic response, Biden is cleaning up trump's pandemic failures.

Biden's first plan to inoculate 100 Million in the first 100 days of office he quickly realized we were already one pace to do that and more because we were above that target when President Trump left office. But, as typical left-wing folks, many of you do not comprehend the concept of the 10th amendment and let states run themselves. The real joke now is appointing the mass murder Gov Cuomo to head up the governor's weekly COVID advisory calls. President Trump put all the right things in motion and the infamous plagiarizer Biden took those plans, renamed them, criticized Trump, made them his own and regurgitated it into place.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324565]For one thing, it's important to realize that inventing a vaccine is only the first step. After the vaccine exists, then it needs to be manufactured en masse and then distributed in the right way to get that vaccine out of warehouses and into veins. All three of these steps are equally important.

Operation Warp Speed did seem to have some effect on step one. My understanding is that these vaccines did go from the testing phase to approved quicker than normal. That at least we should give Trump credit for. I'm not certain if Trump helped the process of actually inventing the vaccine or not--I think all these major companies were putting a lot of resources into creating a vaccine anyway for obvious reasons so I wouldn't be surprised if it was really only the regulatory hurdles getting smaller that had any effect on how quickly the vaccine was developed.

But that's only the first step. And this is where Operation Warp Speed stops and where Biden's criticism of lack of a plan begins. It appears that Trump had no plans to address any other part of this problem. He had no efforts in place to aid manufacturing or distribution of the vaccine. This is worthy of immense criticism.

For example, the White House under Biden brokered a deal between Johnson and Johnson and Merck (who are competitors) where Merck will help manufacture J&J's vaccine. This is a huge victory for step 2. This is something that likely would not have happened without governmental leadership, especially in a capitalistic system where competitors don't decide to help each other.

The third step is next. Trump did get some criticism here because distribution was largely put in the hands of the states, and some states did a better job than others. I find it hard to blame Trump for the mistakes made here because he was already on his way out and there will likely always be some early hiccups. But it is worthy of criticism that there was no plan for distribution that Trump was able to then give to Biden so that the new administration could hit the ground running. Hopefully we don't need to go over why this should be an issue presidents help each other on.

If you want, I suppose you could criticize Biden for not having an immediate plan to handle the distribution for the vaccines we do have already. I think this is a bit unfair, especially since the pace has picked up rather significantly in the past month and Biden has been clear this is his top priority.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5324582]I'd ask for some of the shit you retards are smoking. But then I check a few posts and realize this is your natural state. Stupid. I've never seen bigger sheeple than people that think trump did anything other than fuck shit up. Hey, got some disinfectant I can inject? Maybe some UV light? Of course, it's tricky to keep that light in the syringe and all. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree! It's actually amusing to watch trumpers trying to put lipstick on a pig covered in turd. This is all these numbskulls have got, no substance, just sulky, sore loser snark. Like teens who have been permanently grounded.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5324822]Biden's first plan to inoculate 100 Million in the first 100 days of office he quickly realized we were already one pace to do that and more because we were above that target when President Trump left office. But, as typical left-wing folks, many of you do not comprehend the concept of the 10th amendment and let states run themselves. The real joke now is appointing the mass murder Gov Cuomo to head up the governor's weekly COVID advisory calls. President Trump put all the right things in motion and the infamous plagiarizer Biden took those plans, renamed them, criticized Trump, made them his own and regurgitated it into place.[/QUOTE]So, are you trying to fool us into thinking Biden in his first 100 days is worse than the past 4 years of king trumpollinni? Nyet, I think not.

Did king trumpollinni provide as promised:

Bigger and better healthcare for all: [B]NO.[/B]

Big infrastructure plan:[B] NO.[/B]

COVID is 'totally under control': [B]NO.[/B]

GDP of 4, 5 or 6%: [B]NO.[/B]

Make Mexico pay for the wall: [B]NO.[/B]

Reduce US debt: [B]NO.[/B]

Cut deficit: [B]NO.[/B]

Work hard / No time to golf: [B]NO.[/B]

Lock her up: [B]NO.[/B]

Cut trade deficit: [B]NO.[/B]

Revive coal country: [B]NO.[/B]

Bring back manufacturing: [B]NO.[/B]

Renegotiate Iran nuke deal: [B]NO.[/B]

Denuclearize North Korea: [B]NO.[/B]

Lower drug prices: [B]NO.[/B]

Fix opioid problem: [B]NO.[/B]

Resolve DACA: [B]NO.[/B]

Reduce gun violence: [B]NO.[/B]

Eliminate government corruption: [B]NO.[/B]

In short, trumpers enslaved their party to a useless blowhard. Good job, guys!

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5324834]So, are you trying to fool us into thinking Biden in his first 100 days is worse than the past 4 years of king trumpollinni? Nyet, I think not.

Did king trumpollinni provide as promised:

Bigger and better healthcare for all: NO.

Big infrastructure plan: NO.

COVID is 'totally under control': NO.

GDP of 4, 5 or 6%: NO.

Make Mexico pay for the wall: NO.

Reduce US debt: NO.

Cut deficit: NO.

Work hard / No time to golf: NO.

Lock her up: NO.

Cut trade deficit: NO.

Revive coal country: NO.

Bring back manufacturing: NO.

Renegotiate Iran nuke deal: NO.

Denuclearize North Korea: NO.

Lower drug prices: NO.

Fix opioid problem: NO.

Resolve DACA: NO.

Reduce gun violence: NO.

Eliminate government corruption: NO.

In short, trumpers enslaved their party to a useless blowhard. Good job, guys![/QUOTE]Don't forget about making China pay the tariffs. BIG that FUCKING NO.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324770]10,000+ people died of H1 N1 in the US while COVID-19 deaths are 500,000+ that to me said says everything plus there's the fact other countries handle pandemic far better than we did whose deaths are only in the two digits because they implanted REAL lockdown measures not the barely half ass measures the other guy did.[/QUOTE]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.[/QUOTE]We had this debate before, and you had to admit you were using partial data (look back 70 pages). The CDC says the were 229,000 excess deaths from late January to mid October. There's no reason not to think the total excess deaths could have reached 500 k, as it was raging later in the year.

Yeah. , you could say someone with the cancer died "with" an anvil to the head, but it was still the anvil being dropped on them that killed them.

Please stop being such a condescending prick.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.[/QUOTE] This is absurd nonsense, offers no cites, and mischaracterizes the basic reality that old people are riddled with other ailments and conditions as "they were on their way out" rather than "and that's why they're most vulnerable to Covid-19". Meanwhile in the realm of actual data:

[URL]https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jvp210048t1_1617198261.3911.png?Expires=1620813458&Signature=RRHg7iaxnYvnO0Soy~JKrC3veZ0DBpm5z3m0vlaqHpq0NPr6ZVzEeqNNgYgVbgNRBB9Jt8gKiS~p7D8nppkONxc8eoYYacxU-FCzZ5n9kMjmGIJMue1bUNZVuu3TtKxHJegQEnZFksyqIn~cwwTzHj6OFh1HlGVXiGHTgpKeRuOsZCgEdZvGWIL0Thi73W-bO-gEu1eJIO9k-A5dVokyEs0rRWIJHEgiJAhP4Hd704ZLzVT0YTdbqfNy0Gg977MQWGSg5N3C79LZu7axY4GI40gTtU6aDsM08yTm-n4sWBsu9E5dgXjV2IUp2pTllUt-Z4jqsh5i2SgtH~ReFNIJGA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA[/URL]

While annual deaths will tend to naturally rise as the American population does, its pretty obvious which one is not like the others:

2015-2016= +31,618.

2016-2017= +69,255.

2017-2018= +25,702.

2018-2019= +15,633.

2019-2020= +503,976.

We officially had 345,323 deaths from Covid-19, but in actuality assuming that +35,552 deaths a year is normal based off 2015-2019, excess deaths beyond expectations was actually 468,424. Its possible some deaths were wrongly credited to non-Covid causes, but its also possible that Covid-19 caused them indirectly, e. G. Stress from the pandemic causing a higher rate of strokes and heart attacks, more people dying of unintentional injuries because they don't want to go to the hospital, etc etc. If those elderly were "on their way out" for some other illness or enfeeblement then Covid-19 sure helped expedite that.

The simple fact of the matter is that deaths / year just don't change much for conditions, which is why I'd been awaiting the final CDC figure. Unless you have some other grand explanation for why half a million more people died than expected the obvious answer is that most if not all of that is due Covid-19. Oh and reminder that this is just 2020 numbers, with the first months of 2021 being some of the highest casualty months on record. Going by the Covid GIS charts here 352,573 Americans died of Covid-19 as of the end of 2020 (roughly in line with CDC figures) but 573,385 Americans have died as of today. Which means that if Covid-19 actually caused 468,424 more excess deaths in 2020 that it has probably already caused 293,368 more excess deaths in 2021, for a total bodycount of 761,792.

So in actuality we're probably at 3/4's of a million deaths due to Covid-19, and will probably wrap up at 4/5 ths. Of course that's just in the short term. For every person that dies of Covid-19, a significant multiple of that suffer permanent health consequences that could result in them dying years earlier. The actuarial toll of that is uncertain but my guess is it'd easily bring us past a million effective deaths.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.[/QUOTE]You could illustrate these truths with stick-figures and one syllable words and these dumbasses still will never get it, largely because they don't want to "get it". I'm curious as to why you think that governments permitted the hysterical overreactions worldwide, though.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5326266]You could illustrate these truths with stick-figures and one syllable words and these dumbasses still will never get it, largely because they don't want to "get it". I'm curious as to why you think that governments permitted the hysterical overreactions worldwide, though.[/QUOTE]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5326765]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.[/QUOTE]NRA does the same thing with their unsophisticated dipshit members. And that Pep Le Pew (Wayne LaPierre) can't even shoot!

Don't forget those stupid fucking trump supporters that got fleeced by recurring payments. Disgusting but true.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5326765]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.[/QUOTE]Judging by the global death toll and the long lasting heath effects of COVID-19 I say their "overreaction" was pretty justified.

Man this hos really get in my nerves, they go MIA weeks or months, no reply any text and one day all of them start texting and trying to meet smh.