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[QUOTE=Bdoe4264;5184123]How are you managing to get out of the house during the pandemic without arousing suspicions?

Girls are wanting 500 per fuck seems standard now for average hot girl. Plus another 100 for hotel So for me it was about 600 a fuck. Unless you rolling in money it adds up fast. Being married and having to sneak out that much money under my wife's nose wasn't easy.[/QUOTE]Grocery shopping takes a bit longer. Also I do my grocery shopping AFTER; don't want to be coming home with melted ice cream or warm milk.

I was wondering the same. I think any one of those girls is at least 300. Maybe 250 if you are lucky.

[QUOTE=Jcinmd15;5183846]What was the PPM range for these ladies?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=InSearch69;5183783]Couple more I forgot about.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ba9fb362-1a13-4fd3-80c0-7208e9ea5cae[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e311612b-d642-4479-bdac-fe7c7abc8802[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/01e86a3d-c41d-43f9-8e2f-4768526d8053[/URL] I'm pretty sure this is a new account for Paula something.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/83f2740d-08cc-4264-b87e-cb8fbba33dbe[/URL][/QUOTE]Great list. Not only are they mostly hot, but the fact that they all still have active posts is impressive. It indicates all them were recent. I tip my hat to you. I have seen many over the years, but never that many in short time. Thanks for the info.

Would love to know who this is LOL.

[QUOTE=Tophat31;5183914]Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what active posts mean. But this was probably over a 2 year period. The ones that blocked me or retired I didn't bother putting on the list.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;5184549]Great list. Not only are they mostly hot, but the fact that they all still have active posts is impressive. It indicates all them were recent. I tip my hat to you. I have seen many over the years, but never that many in short time. Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tophat31;5183914]Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.[/QUOTE]Not matter how hot that chick thinks she is, the bottom line is that this is a service. What is the difference between a girl who is a 5 and one that is a 10? Answer: The amount I'm willing to pay her based on her looks. Women do the same thing hence the term YMMV. It sounds like she wasn't attracted to you at all and took advantage of you because she thinks she is " hot". Doesn't matter what you look like, your money makes you best looking MF'ker for right now to that ungrateful * insert what you like*. That makes it an even playing field. This lifestyle involves a service that both parties are willing to agree upon. If you feel like its one sided its no longer mutual. Don't make the same mistake again my friend.

[QUOTE=Tophat31;5183914]Somebody in the massage section posted a "I disgust myself" so I have to post my version. First of all SA has been very good to me. I have a solid 4 that I have been seeing for 3 years. All different flavors. This one I have been seeing for almost 2 years is a real smoke show. She's really hot and we always had really good vibes and we had a great connection. Sexual chemistry is great, she is very personable, and someone I feel like I could date if I wanted to. After a year of debating I pulled the trigger to do a tropical trip with her, all paid for by me of course. I really went back and forth on this for a long time but accepted the risk and figured at the very minimum it would be a nice getaway.

Once we arrive, that sexual chemistry disappears. Over the course of the trip she rejected any effort I put in for intimacy. We did hook up a few times but I could tell she hated it, so a huge turn off. Meanwhile when we do our arrangement she was super into it and a freak but not anymore. So this was the risk I accepted, she isn't a sexual slave and I can't force someone to be in the mood but at the same time the lack of awareness that this was a big part of the motivation for the trip was disappointing.

Anyways no big deal, we are in a high end resort that's very expensive and it is warm so just hoping we both enjoy ourselves as "friends" I guess. That was the hope but of course but I got a pleasant surprise that she has a coke problem once we arrive. I knew she did it but I thought it was only social but nope, it is a daily need. I have medication that is a stimulant and pretty quickly found out she was taking that from me. Well whatever, I rather that then her go around the bar trying to find the coke guy and have that in my life.

Having a decent night out at the bar and then the drinks hit and she starts rubbing up on some drunk trashy guy at the bar. We aren't in a relationship so I didn't get jealous but annoyed at the lack of etiquette since I didn't pay for a very high end vacation to watch her do that. She then snaps on me, yelling, telling me I need to say sorry with the finger on my face, then tells me to tell her why I'm sorry all while crying. It felt like negotiating with a terrorist as I can't leave her even though I wanted to but was obligated now to stay with her until I can get her back to the resort safely. I literally was trying to move up the flight on my phone. She finally starts puking and I was able to safely get her home.

I sleep on the couch and leave her food in the room and hit the beach. Hoping that she would have some sort of remorse and be easier to deal with, I though the worst was over. Nope.

Later that day when she is up she then says she needs a massage at the spa as she sits next to me ordering drink after drink at the pool. I try and give her hints that I don't want to buy her a 200 dollar massage but she gets very firm that she is entitled to this massage. I say that if she gets it then we aren't going out that night so I can cut down on costs and she agrees but then informs me that she has friends in town and will be leaving me after the massage to meet with them while ditching me at the hotel. This was of course for my benefit so I didn't have to pay for her but I suspected she was going to ask me for money before leaving me. I remember she told me her ex called her a sociopath, I google it on my phone and read the definition and OMG yes he was right. Well that was the turning point, time to put an end to it so while princess is getting her massage I turn off the room charge option and hide my prescription then get out of the room. I have a fun time out and when I get back she is angry. Her plans fell through I guess and she ransacked my things looking for my prescription and demands that I give it to her "right now". I tell her no and I had drinks in the room that she was welcome to and gave her a few bucks for food downstairs. I watch her and she realizes that the screws have been turned and she has no way to use me for money anymore. She then eventually leaves the room to go out and look for coke at the bars while I have a relaxing night on the beach. She comes back at 9 am awake and alert. Clearly she got her fix and God knows what she did to get it. I was happy to see her go but nervous as who she may bring back. Happy she was alone when she came in.

Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.[/QUOTE]That's scary, you're lucky things didn't get worse.

I'm a believer that anything that involves travel by air is best done solo, always.

Find action where you travel to; if things get bad, you can put her in a taxi.

Nutty girls are capable of fooling us into treating them like normal people, who are reasonable; but, they're not reasonable.

I also think that a lot of girls who are on SA are more aggressive or less inhibited, so I will be extra cautious with one of them compared to a girl I met "freestyle". O.

[QUOTE=JimRob;5183109]I fucked a few on your list. These girls are bigger ho's then actual SW. 99 percent will go raw. In my 3 years on SA I had to pay for 3 abortions and more pregnancy scares then I care to remember. I'm guessing I had at least 50. It's why I'm getting ready for bankruptcy. Ran up close to 50 k in debt. I was so addicted.

I calmed down now and haven't been on seeking since like September. I might go back. I'm not sure. Just way less drama with SW. But after you cum in hot college girls, hard to go back to that rubber.[/QUOTE]I spend about 30 to 40 K a year on SB related activities. Yes, it's a lot of money, but cheaper than divorce! And I second the recommendation on vasectomy. Totally addicted to barebacking these young hotties.

Me too. She's probably wonderfully freaky, in the right circumstance, and under the proper controls.

[QUOTE=DCGuy1234;5184586]Would love to know who this is LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Decadentme;5185779]Me too. She's probably wonderfully freaky, in the right circumstance, and under the proper controls.[/QUOTE]Well she isn't on SA as far as I can tell. I have made new accounts several times so its not a blocking issue. I am convinced she is low volume which is why I tended to trust her. I only saw her on SA one time and that's when we first met 2 years ago.

I have spent time studying sociopathy and it describes her in scary detail. I what I knew before so I could've been better prepared. Also studied psychopathy which is similar but different and that reminds me of a friends with benefits relationship from many years ago that was an arrangement as well. I suspect alot of the girls on SA fall into those two categories so watch a few videos as it could help not only to avoid mistakes but how to talk to them.

Her looks were like a 9. 5. Seriously every guy was staring at her in her bikini while at the pool. If they only knew LOL. I was hoping someone would've took her off my hands.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/110f1039-abcc-4f24-af54-300b9d548a68[/URL]

She hit me up on chat in seeking. Was quick to ask what I was looking for and gave me her text. She was saying she was down for a ppm hookup for 120, but needed something now. She said she would be down for GFE. Told her to send me a pic and then a body pic. She sent both and then asked her to send me a selfie with a right fist and the thumb on her chin. Got something with left hand. Told her I would meet but not upfront any money. She told me I was full of shit and said bye.

Me: Been doing AMP and the occasional escort on and off again for the better part of 10 years. Never even thought about doing SD / SB thing until coming across this forum. Some impressive stories out there and some scary ones.

Her: Waitress at a restaurant I've been going to for a while. Late 20's. Asian. Body is a 9, skinny, big tits, face a 7, smile a 9.

Story: I overheard it was her birthday and after leaving the restaurant, went to ATM and came back and gave her $100 and told her that I wanted to help her celebrate her birthday the right way. Told me it meant a lot and we chatted for a few min. Told me she was trying to get a second job to help pay off student loan debt. I suggested that maybe we could both help each other out with a special friendship. Her eyes lit up and said she was new at this and might need some help. I told her don't worry, let me have your number and we can text and go from there. So we've been texting for a couple days and trying to setup a coffee meeting to discuss this new friendship.

That's where we are. I didn't tell her I was brand new at this either. Obviously don't want to be scammed. She doesn't seem that way but money has a funny way of making people act not normal LOL.

Any tips / suggestions how to approach this going forward? Don't want to spoil this delicious peach.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/be376517-d7aa-4475-8e97-c257778fcd64[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c35b5181-b18b-4828-ac6e-12312d7e4855[/URL]

Both have similar stories. Single mom, lost job because of covid, etc. Basically having a rough go at it. I've talked to both and met Annabell in person. They're both very sweet but shouldn't be on SA. I got the impression that they're looking for something more like a traditional relationship vs arrangement. Just my .02.

Be honest. Ask her what she wants or tell her what you are offering. Let her know you expect (and I'll just use this as an example) once a week meetups for a minimum of 2 hours. Condom sex, no condom BJ, no anal expected. Depending on schedule, age difference etc maybe lunch or dinner dates. Discuss if overnight is an option. Or traveling for a weekend. Spend a couple of days reading the boards for shit that can go sideways. Read the richmond SB forum also. You can also PM members for individual advice.

[QUOTE=Silk3434;5186912]Me: Been doing AMP and the occasional escort on and off again for the better part of 10 years. Never even thought about doing SD / SB thing until coming across this forum. Some impressive stories out there and some scary ones.

Her: Waitress at a restaurant I've been going to for a while. Late 20's. Asian. Body is a 9, skinny, big tits, face a 7, smile a 9.

Story: I overheard it was her birthday and after leaving the restaurant, went to ATM and came back and gave her $100 and told her that I wanted to help her celebrate her birthday the right way. Told me it meant a lot and we chatted for a few min. Told me she was trying to get a second job to help pay off student loan debt. I suggested that maybe we could both help each other out with a special friendship. Her eyes lit up and said she was new at this and might need some help. I told her don't worry, let me have your number and we can text and go from there. So we've been texting for a couple days and trying to setup a coffee meeting to discuss this new friendship.

That's where we are. I didn't tell her I was brand new at this either. Obviously don't want to be scammed. She doesn't seem that way but money has a funny way of making people act not normal LOL.

Any tips / suggestions how to approach this going forward? Don't want to spoil this delicious peach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tophat31;5183914]Anyways this whole thing was a bad decision LOL. Long story short, keep the arrangements platonic and no trips! What really sucks is that now I lost her as one of my SBs and she was the hottest so now I'm down one team member. So yeah, pretty horrible trip. Even if you think you have a good connection things are not as they seem LOL. Hopefully this nightmare helps you all out there.[/QUOTE]The flight home with her must have been a heck of a trip!