"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Dolato;1951755]So on the tenth day, Hollywoodguy resteth.

If the MILF did 150 miles for $, then she's either really needing some $ or really needed the playtime.

Either way a good way to spend some time since all you need to do is open the door to let her in, and then again to let her out.[/QUOTE]Basically she had the day off her real job. She had no other clients lined up for the day. So she figured some money, was better than no money (smart girl). Which is probably why she was driving a decent car and not under any real financial pressure (as there was no sob story). She did try to upsell me once she was here, but just in a very polite way, no pressure and it didn't detract from our session in any way. I just told her. A deal is a deal. Also I handed her the cash immediately upon her entering, to simmer down any potential drama. She did inform me that her regular rate was $$, but that I was very chill and seemed like a nice guy, so what the heck.

Like my mom used to always tell me when I was growing up, "50% of something is better than 100% of nothing". I guess she was brought up the same way.

Talking to a fellow monger there who needs some help. He says good girls can't be had for less than $ . Any rebuttal to that from personal experience? And what is the going rate out there for quality SBs?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1952823]Talking to a fellow monger there who needs some help. He says good girls can't be had for less than $ . Any rebuttal to that from personal experience? And what is the going rate out there for quality SBs?[/QUOTE]If you can't afford a $ start hitting up SW's. In L.A. Its 40 and up.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1952964]If you can't afford a $ start hitting up SW's. In L.A. Its 40 and up.[/QUOTE]Sorry, the posting came up wrong $300 to $ 500/ Pop is the correct answer.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1953397]Sorry, the posting came up wrong $300 to $ 500/ Pop is the correct answer.[/QUOTE]

Yesterday I spent 5 hours with my main SB, 3 times, 2 pops. She is planning a Christmas dinner she for me on the 23rd because I'm not going back east to see family during the holiday (she's worried about me). Our deal is 500/ month for twice a week. We always spend several hours together and usually go out to dinner. I don't always see her twice a week but that's due to my schedule not hers.

I have two girls that are booty call girls at $, but they both spend a few hours when they come over, too. So, while it took me a while to find them, they ARE out there.

I always pay $ a visit, especially on the first FC visit. I think there are some truly awesome girls at $$ but I have to pass. Here is some usable rebuttal copy. If you like to negotiate

"Instead of just jumping into an arrangement. Why dont I just take you to dinner at the restaurant of your choice and you can check me out. I may be willing to be more flexible on your terms if I got to know you first. And you might feel the same about mine. I stick to my $100 rule for a first date mostly because you never know who you are gonna meet (and its not always what you hope for). I understand the same rule applies to you. If you got twice as much but didnt like me at least you wouldnt feel cheated. So I get it. It's a 2 way street with risk on both sides."

But inevitably I reward my regulars all the time, so overall some months I may average $.5 a visit.

But some months are below or even way below a $. But 3 to 5 benjis a visit, no way.

Also I include all meals, gifts, party favors, dr. visits, regular salon appointments, etc into my numbers. The amount of actual cash I pay to my roomate or ATF Princess is about 0.

Overall on every girl combined maybe 20% of what I spend is in cold hard cash, the rest is normal dating expenses and gifts like you would spend on any girl.

Only a straight up sex only date with a booty cal girl or a first date would have a cash payment as there would be no other expense unless it was at a motel, something I only do maybe twice a month.

So overall my monthly expense for everything is about 2.5k for 2013. Down from 5k a month in 2012. This would have been my weekly expense pre-Obama in the wild west days. So been there done that, just not doing it anymore unless I get rich again. So I guess it is relative to your gross income. Mine has always been at about 20% of gross.

The good thing is that over time as my game has increased as my income has decreased, so the overall quality of my girls has continued to go up. I am not ragging on the newbies. It costs money to get an education and mine came later in life as I married very young and had little dating experience until my forties and no sugar experience until my fifties. At 60 (next month) I feel I am at the top of my game and look forward to many more years of medically assisted fun in the sun (so to speak). As I am on a regimen of diet, natural and lab created supplements to keep the ball rolling.

She is such a doll. Celebrating our one year anniversary this month.

My brothers,

I have been greatly entertained (Hollywood), saddened (Tigg), and encouraged (all the newbies) by what has been written in the journal these past few months. It seems as if the club has never been healthier, despite the loss of some of its most senior and knowledgeable members.

Nothing is constant but change, I guess.

With that in mind, I wanted to check in and check off a number of boxes on my list.

First of all, thank you to all who chimed in regarding the situation with my sweet little baby who was the target of malicious internet postings on a site that is dedicated to the public humiliation and degradation of unsuspecting people who may or may not have made poor life choices. So many biblical lessons come to mind, the foremost of which is the one about "he who is without sin should cast the first stone." Not to get all preachy, but it is the definition of hypocrisy for those who create these postings to delight in another's suffering. Enough. My friends who are trying to help, I really appreciate it. We shall see what happens.

Secondly, while I have, in truth, been on a short leash, it was not so short as to prevent me from seeing my re-united ATF for brunch last Friday, preceded by the most intense, athletic and ... what ?, crazed-to-get-me-inside-her fuck I have ever had. We didn't make it past the foyer in her apartment, and I'm not even sure the door was shut. She had just cut her hair short and dyed it red, so for those of you who keep track of my weaknesses, (and I hope that's none of you, otherwise that would be creepy), I was merely a plaything in her hands. So far, one car date, and one rug date, and no sugar beyond drinks and meals. Life is good on parole.

In Sad News, by ATF#2 may not be coming home for Christmas from her job in NYC, at least as she tells me. While we text several times a week, and it's all love and kisses, I fear she may be moving on, and I am steeling my resolve to do the same. While it will be hard, and I"m certain with a short blow on her whistle she would have me at her side in an instant, I fear that "onward" is the best course for me. I will never forget her perfect, perfect body.

In Yoga News, my hot teacher baby has not been spotted, at least by me, in the past month or so, and I am beginning to wonder if she is still teaching there. Of course I could inquire, but I fear that would tip my hand. I could also book a private lesson through her website, but again, that might alert NORAD that an unauthorized flight plan was being filed, thereby disrupting detente at HQ just before the holidays. I had enough of Christmas Hostilities growing up to knowingly inflict them upon myself. In an odd but extremely enticing turn of events, both my ATF and my Maligned Baby have expressed a strong desire to take bikram classes with me. Of course I told them both yes, since the thought of seeing them each covered in sweat, skimpy clothes clinging to them like paint, is something that I can't pass up. I don't know how many more years I have in the Bowl, and I need to lock in some memories for when I am drooling in a rocker on the front porch of the Old Folks Home. Hopefully Scottie will be paying attention as well, so he can back me up if memory should fail.

Lastly, I know I am the only one who finds these funny, but I really do, so here are the last for 2013 of the craziest contact names from whom I have received emails. Haters, keep it to yourselves.

Hpokiv Scokyvy - what?

Sa Diq - I'm assuming her last name is pronounced like "dick", in which case it could be a good thing for me, or not, depending on what "Sa" means.

Desiree Goggins - this name is so totally the emodiment of The Hot Librarian that I may just respond. Add that to the fact that her subject line was "Don't rape my mind, just fuck me", and I'm kind of over the moon LOL.

Sheba bitethee - Bite thee? No thanks! Bite thyself, I pray.

Okay Pmilysa - I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting into with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

Finally, my brothers, I want to say how much I enjoy our little club, and while I realize I don't have much worth posting these days, I trust that my previous contributions permit me a spot at the table, and hope I will have exploits and wisdom to relate in the coming year.

Don't forget to write,

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;1953778]My brothers,

I have been greatly entertained (Hollywood), saddened (Tigg), and encouraged (all the newbies) by what has been written in the journal these past few months. It seems as if the club has never been healthier, despite the loss of some of its most senior and knowledgeable members.

Nothing is constant but change, I guess.

With that in mind, I wanted to check in and check off a number of boxes on my list.

First of all, thank you to all who chimed in regarding the situation with my sweet little baby who was the target of malicious internet postings on a site that is dedicated to the public humiliation and degradation of unsuspecting people who may or may not have made poor life choices. So many biblical lessons come to mind, the foremost of which is the one about "he who is without sin should cast the first stone." Not to get all preachy, but it is the definition of hypocrisy for those who create these postings to delight in another's suffering. Enough. My friends who are trying to help, I really appreciate it. We shall see what happens.

Secondly, while I have, in truth, been on a short leash, it was not so short as to prevent me from seeing my re-united ATF for brunch last Friday, preceded by the most intense, athletic and ... what ?, crazed-to-get-me-inside-her fuck I have ever had. We didn't make it past the foyer in her apartment, and I'm not even sure the door was shut. She had just cut her hair short and dyed it red, so for those of you who keep track of my weaknesses, (and I hope that's none of you, otherwise that would be creepy), I was merely a plaything in her hands. So far, one car date, and one rug date, and no sugar beyond drinks and meals. Life is good on parole.

In Sad News, by ATF#2 may not be coming home for Christmas from her job in NYC, at least as she tells me. While we text several times a week, and it's all love and kisses, I fear she may be moving on, and I am steeling my resolve to do the same. While it will be hard, and I"m certain with a short blow on her whistle she would have me at her side in an instant, I fear that "onward" is the best course for me. I will never forget her perfect, perfect body.

In Yoga News, my hot teacher baby has not been spotted, at least by me, in the past month or so, and I am beginning to wonder if she is still teaching there. Of course I could inquire, but I fear that would tip my hand. I could also book a private lesson through her website, but again, that might alert NORAD that an unauthorized flight plan was being filed, thereby disrupting detente at HQ just before the holidays. I had enough of Christmas Hostilities growing up to want to knowingly inflict them upon myself. In an odd but extremely enticing turn of events, both my ATF and my Maligned Baby have expressed a strong desire to take bikram classes with me. Of course I told them both yes, since the thought of seeing them covered in sweat, skimpy clothes clinging to them like paint, is just something that I can't pass up. I don't know how many more years I have in the Bowl, and I need to log in some memories for when I am drooling in a rocker on the front porch of the Old Folks Home. Hopefully Scottie will be paying attention as well. So he can back me up if memory should fail me.

Lastly, I know I am the only one who finds these funny, but I really do, so here are the last for 2013 of the craziest contact names from whom I have received emails from. Haters, keep it to yourselves.

Hpokiv Scokyvy. What?

Sa Diq. I'm assuming her last name is pronounced like "dick", in which case it could be a good thing for her, or not, depending on what "Sa" means.

Desiree Goggins. This is so totally the emodiment of the Hot Librarian, at least in name, that I may just respond. Add that to the fact that her subject line was "Don't rape my mind, just fuck me", and I'm kind of over the moon LOL.

Sheba bitethee. Bite thee? No thanks!

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

Finally, my brothers, I want to say how much I enjoy our little club, and while I realize I don't have much worth posting these days, I trust that my previous contributions permit me a spot at the table, and hope I will have exploits and wisdom to relate in the coming year.

Don't forget to write.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Scott,

It's not that the names are funny in and of themselves. It's your comments about them that have me LMFAO.

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

That one had me laughing so hard my office manager was staring at me!!

Keep it up. Here's one reader who's never bored by your observations.

ASL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1953754]She is such a doll. Celebrating our one year anniversary this month.[/QUOTE]Now that is something worth coming home to! You are a lucky dude, Hollywood. May the sun continue to shine for us all.

Scott.

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv;1953784]Scott,

It's not that the names are funny in and of themselves. It's your comments about them that have me LMFAO.

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

That one had me laughing so hard my office manager was staring at me!!

Keep it up. Here's one reader who's never bored by your observations.

ASL.[/QUOTE]Thanks, ASL,

And as I have said before, they are all true. If I could only be so creative ...

Happy holidays to all.

Scott.

For the last month or so I have been getting back to the girls that turned me down to see if I can negotiate with them. I have some very strong arguments for my side. So far none of them has pulled through. With all 3 of my regular girls (and some past SB's as well) I basically hit it off with them right from the get go.

At this point I would have to say, that in my case anyway, it's either a home run or a strike out. Every girl I have struck out with, when I got another at bat, I struck out again. Just an observation.

So has anyone had any experience with some of the other sites? I am in the process of trying Craigslist and I posted my ad on Women For Men and it got flagged every time. I did not put anything in there that was offensive or dirty. I did not put the words sugar daddy or sugar baby or even the intials. But it still got flagged. First it would tell me the ad was posted and give me a link. And I could see it on the link put never see it if I went in normal. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. Anyone have this problem?

I am also looking into Ashley Madison, Social Sex, and Arrangement Finders. I will report back my experiences but anyone try any of these so far?

If so how did it go? Details?

Thanks,

Revvo.

Hollywood: You roommate is darling! Congrats for having such a satisfying relationship. It makes me miss my Asian ATF #3 I love Asians!

Scotty: you are a stitch and I always enjoy your musings! I'm glad you are getting laid some anyway. As one parolee to another life in the suspect booth is trying to say the least.

Bikram Yoga: Am doing it and it is hard as the dickens but I can see the benefits. My SO and I do it together so I have to be careful not to ogle the 20 yr old hotties with no clothes on. Sigh!! I do look intensely to study the poses.-academic interest only of course.

Other sites: Revvo, I have worked AM pretty hard and have had 0 success. A lot of hot milfs there unhappily married but I can't seem to get them to buy my line. CL got one Nando 1 off there who was a decent fuck for a 19 yr old but flaked when I tried to repeat. Fling I got one super sexual MILF from there but she was too chubby for my taste.

ATF #4 is back in town and we are back in the weekly saddle. She loves fucking and time with her is just a joy. BC baby is a weekly or biweekly hookup and she is young and tight. So I am squeaking in 1 to 1 1/2 visits / week.

Since you started talking about AM. I have been on the site for two years. In those two years I have had six hookups. Two out of town fucks, and four local girls. Found some freaky girls on AM. Don't give up on AM, just be consistent and patient. Lots of competition out there. I am working on a new AM girl met yesterday. Maybe I will be up to Seven soon.