"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1948039]Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?[/QUOTE]I prefer a per meeting figure, typically around $. It can go higher if she can host or if she lives close but not more than $.5. Negotiations must occur before the first FC, usually at the M&G. The big head must do the negotiations. Just stand firm, be polite and friendly. My budget is $. Many will want more, especially the pros and experienced SBs. I've also had better long term arrangements with those who initially agreed and appreciated my initial $ meeting amount. Unlike others on the board, I've yet to find someone I felt comfortable paying a monthly allowance. If I did, it would be a multiple per meeting amount rounded to my favor.

If anyone has hung out with Felicity, can you please PM me? I'm about to take the plunge and I want to feel comfortable more quickly. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937346]Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from [URL]SA.com[/URL] and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Showtime2020;1948374]I negotiate every price, the babes will throw out a number just to see what you do. Most will start out with something like $500 per week. Before I accept any number I ask these questions:

1. Can you host or will I need to get a hotel?

2. Do you have a car?

3. Will you travel to me?

4. What are your rules, what can I do and what can't I do? Most then ask "sexually" and I respond "both".

My goal is to pay by the visit so I'm not tied to giving them cash frequently. The number I have in mind is 200 per visit and include the hotel and any travel. So when they say $500 I say "that's way out of my budget." They then come down to $250 every time. I then say I have to get a hotel and factor that in and usually they understand and say, well what can I do? Starting at $100 I slowly move up to $130, because a hotel is $60-70 and parking is $10. I had 2 girls accept the $130,1 took $120 and 1 took $100 just this week. I took one to the FC this week and could of seen another but I wasn't expecting that type of success.

Before I started actively negotiating I accepted a $300 allowance for my main babe, she has her own place and I hang out there all day one day a week. For now it works but I'm going to renegotiate her arrangement soon.[/QUOTE]I hate doing it. Getting rooms. But if the total damage is $$ including everything. You have to consider that fair.

[QUOTE=StickyRice;1948112]Scott, I'm not an attorney but there's few if any attorney's that will take these types of cases.

These sites exist because of freedom of speech. If she knowingly allowed her pics to be taken, they can be posted anywhere as everywhere. There's no invasion or expected privacy with photos, whether nude or not.

Unless she is being extorted, it's not a crime. I believe California is one state where this type of scenario is illegal by statute. However, these sites operate in the virtual world and can be located anywhere.

How is US law going to apply when the site is located on a server in South Africa?

Our legal system can't keep up with advances in technology. I feel bad for your SB, but there's thousands of victims like her without any type of resolution.

Never let anyone take compromising photos of you is the lesson. Not even your SO, as there is no right to privacy if you allowed it willingly.[/QUOTE]On the other hand let us not overestimate the true impact of the posts on your sugar baby.

Three years ago, my Doctor found a 25 year old girl dead in her home (status of his relationship with the girl was not revealed). He lawyered up the next day. 5-0 searched his home and office. Ultimately plead guilty to obstruction of justice. This was all over the news and you can google his name and find numerous articles about the case. This was a case that involved the death of another human being and a guilty plea to a criminal charge. He is still practicing.

My advice. Tell your SB not to expend needless energy worrying about it. Everyone has a bad day. Nothing is forever except death and taxes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1948907]Nothing is forever except death and taxes.[/QUOTE]And available smoking hot pussy. LOL.

First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]My MILF is always broke.. If she wasnt such a great lay I wouldn't even listen to that stuff. But I been with her 2 years not 2 minutes.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]
I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]I'm passing these losers up. I got one good looking 38-year old right off the bat tell me to give her a call. She would not answer a single question. Gave some lame excuse why she couldn't email. Yeah, like that makes sense. I don't know what her deal was, but I didn't want to waste a minute finding out.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]
I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]I don't think it was so bad to have called her. I probably would have as well. If she's so broke, did she take up your offer of $ or however much? I can understand it being a turnoff, but it might turn out to be a good trip to the fc still. I'm curious how the phone conversation ended.

If she hosts and will take $, I'd take her for a test run and see how it goes. If she's that in need of money, then she may be up for booty-call baby status (nothing regularly scheduled) and can be added to your roster for the time being.

She's either desperate and is using a sob story, or isn't so desperate but using the sob story. Either way you can hit it and quit it if it's no good after the first round.

These ladies tend to be Nando 1's more often than not. Any blathering about money other than the negotiated rate is a HUGE turnoff to me and grounds for dismissal.

I have had 4 "real " LT SBs. I call them ATF 1 through 4 . Each one is spectacular in their own way and not one of them has ever hit me up for more than our agreement.

ATF #4 is going on 4 months now weekly except for her recent travel out of town. She is grateful for the reasonable allowance I give her, and loves to fuck like no one I have had before, and is fine with my parole situation.

SB #2.

Is a borderline Nando 1 and hit me up the other day for a raise due to unexpected expenses. I told her no and didn't have any problem drawing the line. I used to feel sorry for them and would take on their problems as my own, but no more. She's really a bootie call baby at best, but her pussy is clean, cheap, and tight. I really find that I crave an emotional connection that a BC baby doesn't provide.

I reactivated my SA account, back after I gave up my SB...as she was not flexible. Will keep you posted on how it goes.

1-Dec Put 20 dollars "on the books" for a long ago x SB.

2-Dec 2nd date with an 18 year old AA stripper. 8/8/8/6 Spent 6 hours with her. Just kissed and cuddled. Had her top off. Spent $$ so far. Taking the risk on this one.

3-Dec Tried to hookup with my roommate at noon. She was at her BF's. Says he took the day off work and she can"t get out. Went out at night and had the best sex ever with my ATF MILF.

4-Dec My "Little Princess" came over at 11 am. Banged her to sleep at noon. Went for round 2 at midnite.

5-Dec More presents for my "Princess". I think I am done for this month. Hooked up after the shopping. Best sex of the visit. Dropped her off, picked up my roommate and had a late night session with her.

6-Dec Told the 18 year old AA stripper today that I wasn't interested. She just wasn't exactly what I was looking for. Took my roommate shopping for her Christmas presents this evening.

7-Dec Perfect Saturday. I worked till 5, then took my roommate out to our favorite steakhouse, came home and watched half a movie then finally hooked up. I was so wasted from that, I just fell asleep till 8 am Sunday.

8-Dec Went to see my ATF MILF. No surprises. Just got my lucky room at the local no-tell for some honeymoon sex.

9-Dec I happened to get hit up by a wannabe MILF on SD4M (35 white and tall, not so good looking) and she agreed to drive 150 miles RT to my house for a $. So I took her up on that and we had a fun hour of playtime after my lunch break. She was what some guys like to call a Reliable Provider. Or in High School we used to say "she has a good personality". She was a 6/7/9/9. I might repeat if she sticks to my rate.

5 girls. 8.5 hookups. Today I need a rest.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1951380] Today I need a rest.[/QUOTE]So on the tenth day, Hollywoodguy resteth.

If the MILF did 150 miles for $, then she's either really needing some $ or really needed the playtime.

Either way a good way to spend some time since all you need to do is open the door to let her in, and then again to let her out.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1951380]1-Dec Put 20 dollars "on the books" for a long ago x SB.

2-Dec 2nd date with an 18 year old AA stripper. 8/8/8/6 Spent 6 hours with her. Just kissed and cuddled. Had her top off. Spent $$ so far. Taking the risk on this one.

3-Dec Tried to hookup with my roommate at noon. She was at her BF's. Says he took the day off work and she can"t get out. Went out at night and had the best sex ever with my ATF MILF.

4-Dec My "Little Princess" came over at 11 am. Banged her to sleep at noon. Went for round 2 at midnite.

5-Dec More presents for my "Princess". I think I am done for this month. Hooked up after the shopping. Best sex of the visit. Dropped her off, picked up my roommate and had a late night session with her.

6-Dec Told the 18 year old AA stripper today that I wasn't interested. She just wasn't exactly what I was looking for. Took my roommate shopping for her Christmas presents this evening.

7-Dec Perfect Saturday. I worked till 5, then took my roommate out to our favorite steakhouse, came home and watched half a movie then finally hooked up. I was so wasted from that, I just fell asleep till 8 am Sunday.

8-Dec Went to see my ATF MILF. No surprises. Just got my lucky room at the local no-tell for some honeymoon sex.

9-Dec I happened to get hit up by a wannabe MILF on SD4M (35 white and tall, not so good looking) and she agreed to drive 150 miles RT to my house for a $. So I took her up on that and we had a fun hour of playtime after my lunch break. She was what some guys like to call a Reliable Provider. Or in High School we used to say "she has a good personality". She was a 6/7/9/9. I might repeat if she sticks to my rate.

5 girls. 8.5 hookups. Today I need a rest.[/QUOTE]Not that you weren't my hero before...but now you have moved into SuperHero status. I mean real Marvel (not DC) SuperHero status LOL!

BT.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1948189]The bowl will not be the same without you.

You are one of a kind. Not only willing to go out there and do it. Which is different than most of those cold and timid souls.

But you were always there to help. And I appreciate it.

The bowl is better with you in it.

Good luck.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Thanks Revvo, I appreciate it. It was a blast while it lasted!

BT.