"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=MrUnderbridge;1947063]I've been mongering for many years, and following the thread here I decided to get an account at SA. I just use it like a wishbook. Haven't sprung for a paid membership and just like to see what's available.

Imagine my surprise earlier this week when a former student showed up on the sugarbaby list! She's 18 and pretty cute. She said in her ad that she heard about the site from a friend. Scrolling down the list a bit more. Another former student! This one is 19 and thin. From what I know about the 19 yo, she is really likely to put out. Even if I didn't know them, they'd be tempting. But the fact that they were students, and now are legal age and not my responsibility anymore adds some spice to the equation.

So the question before the jury is this: Should I risk it? I use a fake-but-close picture, and not my real name (I'm horny, not stupid!) in my ad, so I could remain anonymous up until time for a meet. The risk is that word could get back to current students, which would be super bad. But then, they would have to explain their side of it, too. Even if I had never met them before, they would be tempting, but the extra thrill really makes me want to at least see where it could go.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]If you are not married, I say go for it!

Also, thanks for the humbling words Bachatas! I'm sure you will do great.

BT.

[QUOTE=MrUnderbridge;1947063]
So the question before the jury is this: Should I risk it? I use a fake-but-close picture, and not my real name (I'm horny, not stupid!) in my ad, so I could remain anonymous up until time for a meet. The risk is that word could get back to current students, which would be super bad. But then, they would have to explain their side of it, too. Even if I had never met them before, they would be tempting, but the extra thrill really makes me want to at least see where it could go.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Keep your indiscretions 100 miles from the flagpole.

Think about it, if it gets back to your current students and you end up losing your job because of it, as a teacher you will never teach again. It's not the same as a guy who is a salesman, he can always find another job. A teacher is a completely different story.

Read through this forum, there are quite a few stories of getting exposed.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1947519]Keep your indiscretions 100 miles from the flagpole.

Think about it, if it gets back to your current students and you end up losing your job because of it, as a teacher you will never teach again. It's not the same as a guy who is a salesman, he can always find another job. A teacher is a completely different story.

Read through this forum, there are quite a few stories of getting exposed.[/QUOTE]It will certainly get back to your current students, and then to parents and the school. Nothing buy misery lies at the end of this path, in my opinion, and the internet has a long and cruel memory.

Leave it where it is now, safely private in your imagination.

Scott.

[QUOTE=MrUnderbridge;1947063]I've been mongering for many years, and following the thread here I decided to get an account at SA. I just use it like a wishbook. Haven't sprung for a paid membership and just like to see what's available.

Imagine my surprise earlier this week when a former student showed up on the sugarbaby list! She's 18 and pretty cute. She said in her ad that she heard about the site from a friend. Scrolling down the list a bit more. Another former student! This one is 19 and thin. From what I know about the 19 yo, she is really likely to put out. Even if I didn't know them, they'd be tempting. But the fact that they were students, and now are legal age and not my responsibility anymore adds some spice to the equation.

So the question before the jury is this: Should I risk it? I use a fake-but-close picture, and not my real name (I'm horny, not stupid!) in my ad, so I could remain anonymous up until time for a meet. The risk is that word could get back to current students, which would be super bad. But then, they would have to explain their side of it, too. Even if I had never met them before, they would be tempting, but the extra thrill really makes me want to at least see where it could go.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]A good rule of thumb in my experience is if you have to ask it's probably not a good idea. Especially as a teacher you are vulnerable to the gossip in your community. Even if it is legal it is probably borderline unethical. Teachers date former students, fall in love, and marry them. But if it ends badly watch out! There are too many HCBs out there to take a risk on this one .

[QUOTE=MrUnderbridge;1947063]I've been mongering for many years, and following the thread here I decided to get an account at SA. I just use it like a wishbook. Haven't sprung for a paid membership and just like to see what's available.

Imagine my surprise earlier this week when a former student showed up on the sugarbaby list! She's 18 and pretty cute. She said in her ad that she heard about the site from a friend. Scrolling down the list a bit more. Another former student! This one is 19 and thin. From what I know about the 19 yo, she is really likely to put out. Even if I didn't know them, they'd be tempting. But the fact that they were students, and now are legal age and not my responsibility anymore adds some spice to the equation.

So the question before the jury is this: Should I risk it? I use a fake-but-close picture, and not my real name (I'm horny, not stupid!) in my ad, so I could remain anonymous up until time for a meet. The risk is that word could get back to current students, which would be super bad. But then, they would have to explain their side of it, too. Even if I had never met them before, they would be tempting, but the extra thrill really makes me want to at least see where it could go.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]3 Say No.

1 Yes.

...whatcha going to do bowler, step on the bowling lane or head back to the snack bar for another chilli dog?

Ok maybe I'm a glutton for punishment? At the same time, I feel I need to open my self up to criticism and change if I want to improve. So here goes... For me ideally I'll have a 2 SB line up that I have long term weekly meetings with.

I still have my constant SB1. I've been with her for 8 months. She is solid and reliable. A solid 8/8/8/8. I meet with her once per week at 125. Then I give her a gift usually 1 x per month. Out of Pocket is normally avg $700/.

So I'm on the hunt for a new SB2. I just lost my last one right before Thanksgiving. I joined SA about 7 months ago as a free member and didn't activate as I was a SD4 ME member. But I had about 35 winks and emails pile up since then. I paid for SA membership yesterday and sent a reply to all that were in the looks and age range I like. That was 23 of the 35. This is the letter I sent. What do you guys think? Too wimpy? Not straight forward enough? What would you do differently? Feel free to comment or PM...

Hi blank.

I hope you had a great Thanksgiving Holiday!! I wanted to thank you for reaching out to me. I will be putting back up some kind of profile pic. I took mine down because as I was browsing through, I noticed that a local girl that works in a store nearby had just activated a profile. It kind of freaked me out a little bit...haha.

You are a very pretty girl (just my type). I'm sure you've been inundated with all kinds of attention. As you have weeded your way through these you probably got a little creeped out.

I want to assure you I think you'll find I'm different from most. I have the experience and wisdom from not being in my 20's anymore. I've been relatively successful in my career. However, I'm much younger looking and acting than my age. I'm fun and have a good sense of humor. I'm attentive and passionate. I'm also easy going and a good listener. Most of all, I think you'll find I'm a good friend.

I can be quite picky about who I choose to hang out with. I do have some experience at being a SD. I would like to meet you at some point and see if we like each other. Maybe we could meet for drinks or lunch (we'll figure that out)?? I do have a few pics I could send you. I would like to contact you by either call or text. Let me know which you prefer and please send me your cell number. I look forward to hearing from you. Take care my first name.

It is worth noting that I've added a profile pic back in. The story about me taking down my profile pic is true. A girl that works at both a local pharmacy) check out counter) and a local taco joint just joined SA. She knows me well and sees me all the time. While she is very hot and I would love to bang her, that has disaster written all over it. I am married. Also, I've had 4 replies so far. 2 of them are amazingly hot 9.5 to 10 type stuff. I have a M&G scheduled for Monday with one. So far there have been 7 of the 23 that have read the letter.

Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?

My friends,

Are any of you lawyers who might feel inclined to give me some insight into this situation with my baby who has had truly nasty shit posted about her, with her real name and photos, on an internet site apparently devoted to spreading this sort of crap. It is the most evil, mean-spirited and pointless site I have ever run across. Its only reason for existing seems to be to delight in gossip, rumors and real hurt to people. It is a harbinger of the End of Days, I am certain.

PM me please, and I will give you more info. This is a baby who does not deserve this, whether the allegations are true or not.

Thanks,

Scott.

I finally had my very first ever M&G. I was getting discouraged after having had three previous women flake out on me.

SB#1: She is a 22 year old SB who has a 3 year old son (I don't know but there is something that is a turn off about a woman with kids, but considering what this lifestyle is all about I guess I need to expect that). We met on SA and we emailed a few times and we finally had our M&G. She was a little thicker than what I normally like but hey beggars can't be choosers. I was actually hopeful that something good would happen as I have been reading posts about some of you out there getting some good action. Long story short, it would be my luck that I meet the one "good girl" SB. She was telling me how she was getting a lot of rude and suggestive emails off of SA and how that isn't her. Don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting to take to her a hotel at our first M&G but it does sound like I am going to have to put a lot of work and effort to get her into my FC. Yep just my luck. HOwever, I did make it clear that we would go on a few dates and if we decided to get "closer" then and only then would we talk about our arrangement. Basically telling her I am not going to give her any type of allowance just to hang out with me. THanks to all of the members on here for the advice. I kept my expectations realistic and after a good first meeting I hope I won't to have to wine and dine her for too long before I can get her into my FC. Happy Hunting everyone and stay safe.

[QUOTE=FScott;1948054]My friends,

Are any of you lawyers who might feel inclined to give me some insight into this situation with my baby who has had truly nasty shit posted about her, with her real name and photos, on an internet site apparently devoted to spreading this sort of crap. It is the most evil, mean-spirited and pointless site I have ever run across. Its only reason for existing seems to be to delight in gossip, rumors and real hurt to people. It is a harbinger of the End of Days, I am certain.

PM me please, and I will give you more info. This is a baby who does not deserve this, whether the allegations are true or not.

Thanks,

Scott.[/QUOTE]Scott, I'm not an attorney but there's few if any attorney's that will take these types of cases.

These sites exist because of freedom of speech. If she knowingly allowed her pics to be taken, they can be posted anywhere as everywhere. There's no invasion or expected privacy with photos, whether nude or not.

Unless she is being extorted, it's not a crime. I believe California is one state where this type of scenario is illegal by statute. However, these sites operate in the virtual world and can be located anywhere.

How is US law going to apply when the site is located on a server in South Africa?

Our legal system can't keep up with advances in technology. I feel bad for your SB, but there's thousands of victims like her without any type of resolution.

Never let anyone take compromising photos of you is the lesson. Not even your SO, as there is no right to privacy if you allowed it willingly.

Yeah, kinda figured that. Right after I hit "upload report".

I had sent a "Hey you're cute, you should be spoiled!" type message, and the 19 yo sent a reply saying that she and "her girl" would loved to be taken shopping this weekend.

D'oh! I don't know if she really knows what's expected (but likely she does), but now visions of a three-way are dancing in my head. They kicked the sugarplums out completely.

I have definitely decided not to have a meet with either. It occurred to me the other day that if she recognized me online it could mean the ends of employment and several other things like house, wife, etc. This one'll have to remain in the vault.

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1948039]Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?[/QUOTE]Hey ThirdCoaster. I'm just offering my amateur opinions here.

There's much posted on the allowance amounts. Reading through the different posts, the others are fairly open about what they give / how they give.

There was a post a while back that mentioned negotiating when there's a huge difference in the number will just lead to disappointment because you'll pay more than you wanted and she'll get less than what she wanted.

I'm pretty firm on starting at $/ date and leading with that from the beginning based on Hollywood guy's suggestion. That way if she's suffering from gps then she'll filter herself out. But if she's a looker I've gone to $.5.

So don't really see it as negotiating. Tell her what you'll do and if she's living in fantasy land, then move on to the next.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1948078]I finally had my very first ever M&G. I was getting discouraged after having had three previous women flake out on me.

SB#1: She is a 22 year old SB who has a 3 year old son (I don't know but there is something that is a turn off about a woman with kids, but considering what this lifestyle is all about I guess I need to expect that). We met on SA and we emailed a few times and we finally had our M&G. She was a little thicker than what I normally like but hey beggars can't be choosers. I was actually hopeful that something good would happen as I have been reading posts about some of you out there getting some good action. Long story short, it would be my luck that I meet the one "good girl" SB. She was telling me how she was getting a lot of rude and suggestive emails off of SA and how that isn't her. Don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting to take to her a hotel at our first M&G but it does sound like I am going to have to put a lot of work and effort to get her into my FC. Yep just my luck. HOwever, I did make it clear that we would go on a few dates and if we decided to get "closer" then and only then would we talk about our arrangement. Basically telling her I am not going to give her any type of allowance just to hang out with me. THanks to all of the members on here for the advice. I kept my expectations realistic and after a good first meeting I hope I won't to have to wine and dine her for too long before I can get her into my FC. Happy Hunting everyone and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Congrats on your first M&G. I hope you didn't make my rookie mistake and spend too much on it. One of the things I learned from this site is to keep it simple for the first meeting.

I understand how she's your SB#1 and wanting to get her into your FC, but I don't know about having to wine and dine her especially when she's a little thicker than what you normally like.

Maybe others will chime in, but I'm thinking maybe just texting / talking to her until she's ready for the FC instead of having to pay for dates after dates?

The bowl will not be the same without you.

You are one of a kind. Not only willing to go out there and do it. Which is different than most of those cold and timid souls.

But you were always there to help. And I appreciate it.

The bowl is better with you in it.

Good luck.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1948039]Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?[/QUOTE]I negotiate every price, the babes will throw out a number just to see what you do. Most will start out with something like $500 per week. Before I accept any number I ask these questions:

1. Can you host or will I need to get a hotel?

2. Do you have a car?

3. Will you travel to me?

4. What are your rules, what can I do and what can't I do? Most then ask "sexually" and I respond "both".

My goal is to pay by the visit so I'm not tied to giving them cash frequently. The number I have in mind is 200 per visit and include the hotel and any travel. So when they say $500 I say "that's way out of my budget." They then come down to $250 every time. I then say I have to get a hotel and factor that in and usually they understand and say, well what can I do? Starting at $100 I slowly move up to $130, because a hotel is $60-70 and parking is $10. I had 2 girls accept the $130,1 took $120 and 1 took $100 just this week. I took one to the FC this week and could of seen another but I wasn't expecting that type of success.

Before I started actively negotiating I accepted a $300 allowance for my main babe, she has her own place and I hang out there all day one day a week. For now it works but I'm going to renegotiate her arrangement soon.