"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Only been in the sport since July, and had a response back from a baby that has me conflicted so thought I would check with the masters on their thoughts. Contacted new profile about her info got standard answer, mutual beneficial relationship with help getting back on her feet. Then she asked if I had done this before and if so what was that deal as she was new to this and had no idea as to what to ask. I explained new to me too and gave her specifics of what I was looking for. She then stated quote You know some arrangements are illegal, just making sure your not a cop or anything".

This is the first time I have ever had a baby ask that so immediate thought was she is a pro, I asked her about response, claims she is not or ever been an escort and was just being paranoid, watches to much news. I dropped the subject and since she only has one pic of herself in jeans posted I asked for one of her in a dress, said she didn't send out pics. Anyway told her I would get back to her and set up a meeting and if after the meeting would she be available to play if things worked out or needed time to think about it. She said she could play right then and there, then she sent me her email address and said to email her when ready to meet that several people used the phone and she would get the message sooner this way. This was Thursday and haven't heard from her since.

Thoughts.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1942158]Funny. I don't really see a lot of contributions from anyone anymore. I could PM a couple of SD's on here and never miss a beat. No real need to go on this blog.

Where are all the other reports? It can't be this bad. There are an awful lot of women out there in need of a stiff dick and some money.

Is there no one out there to service them?

Lets see some reports.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I'm chime in, although there's not much new to report. I still have the one SB, who continues to be exclusive to me, and has settled into more of a GF or FWB relationship. She lets me vent about my home life. I provide support and friendship to compensate for her messed-up upbringing, as well as mentoring for her budding college career. The sex is just out of the park, although frankly I think she probably gets the better deal on that. She loses count, and I'm down to one per session, but at the moment I'm attributing that to my own stress / fatique, and the fact that we start our FC sessions early in the day. I'm going to start getting more assertive, but a 3-4 hour session in the bedroom with this nymph is still so mind-blowing that I don't mind not busting nut every 15 minutes.

It's still pay-for-play, but I'm giving her a Green Dot and am going to propose an allowance next time we meet, hoping that it won't jinx what is now a good thing. I think getting rid of any lingering anxiety from pay-for-play off the table will be a win. Unless our schedules open up more, she'll be coming out ahead, which I don't mind. If we manage to meet more frequently, I don't think that will be a problem either since she really seems to value the relationship and sex over the money.

And she's still sweet, kind, attentive, and treats me like I'm a godsend in her life. Which in many ways I am, finances aside.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;1942217]First and foremost, I need to thank all you guys in here for the wonderful posts you have all added. I am not in Virginia, although I do visit frequently on business, but I am in New York. I guess now it is sort of my turn. I am a long time monger and a lurker for quite a while in this forum. I have been active in this hobby for around 30 years. Approximately 10 years ago I moved from dealing with Indy's and Agencies to utr's. Around 5 years ago I found SA and have been dabbling with that thru now. Here comes my dilemma. I have met a 26 why / o young lady from SA (I am 58). She is new to this SB thing. I am not the first guy she has met from the site. The other guys turned her off so much that I am now the "last attempt" at something worthwhile for her. She is stunningly beautiful and really a dream to talk to. We are really hitting it off. I met her Wednesday for a few hours at a local tavern for a cocktail, and again this afternoon. She is taking this slow and wants to build a "relationship" before we get intimate. She is not in this for the money do much. We have discussed that aspect and she knows I am not willing to do a monthly allowance. Seems she is ok with me just helping her out when she needs a few bucks for something. At this point I have $50 invested in bar tabs and I gave her $20 for some gas. I think this has tremendous potential, but I just don't want to be sitting here a month later wondering when I am going to fuck her. And yes, I am married for those that are wondering.

My question here is, how long should I let this play out like this before I tell her she has to get to the next level? We have discussed that she wants to take it slow. She doesn't want to end up feeling like a working girl and wants to have a connection before she does that. But really, how much time should I invest in this? If it works out it could be off the wall good. I don't want to blow this as she is not the typical SA girl. But, I don't want to waste my time either.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am a newbie to SD / SB but not new to the escort hobby. I have gotten great advice from the board and I know that as a SD you can't go into this with a mind set like you would an escort. However, the issue still stands, when should you bring this up. I just joined SA and I am talking on line with a lot of YOUNG SB and if you read their profile they sound like they just want to date, no funny business and get paid. Well I can do that by going on [URL]Match.com[/URL]. I have heard from some members that, you have to read their profile and they may hint to being open to doing more than just going on dates. That is true. I have read some profiles from some older SB that do hint to that. I guess, if you meet someone who has hinted at getting into something more intimate then I would at least wait a few dates before bringing this up. On these dates you should focus on the body language, her interest and try to determine if she is even into you physically. So my question is, until you agree with the SB on what you expect from her, is it ok to pay for the dates obviously (drinks, food, movies, tickets. But only offer them "gas" money until you both have agreed to what you want and the dates become more of what you are expecting? Again, as a newbie to being a SD I am just trying not to get played by a SB who will tease you, get as much money from you as she can and when you want to her "pay" up she dissappers or moves on to another SD.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;1942336]Only been in the sport since July, and had a response back from a baby that has me conflicted so thought I would check with the masters on their thoughts. Contacted new profile about her info got standard answer, mutual beneficial relationship with help getting back on her feet. Then she asked if I had done this before and if so what was that deal as she was new to this and had no idea as to what to ask. I explained new to me too and gave her specifics of what I was looking for. She then stated quote You know some arrangements are illegal, just making sure your not a cop or anything".

This is the first time I have ever had a baby ask that so immediate thought was she is a pro, I asked her about response, claims she is not or ever been an escort and was just being paranoid, watches to much news. I dropped the subject and since she only has one pic of herself in jeans posted I asked for one of her in a dress, said she didn't send out pics. Anyway told her I would get back to her and set up a meeting and if after the meeting would she be available to play if things worked out or needed time to think about it. She said she could play right then and there, then she sent me her email address and said to email her when ready to meet that several people used the phone and she would get the message sooner this way. This was Thursday and haven't heard from her since.

Thoughts.[/QUOTE]A pro that's a little off her game.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1942384]I am a newbie to SD / SB but not new to the escort hobby. I have gotten great advice from the board and I know that as a SD you can't go into this with a mind set like you would an escort. However, the issue still stands, when should you bring this up. I just joined SA and I am talking on line with a lot of YOUNG SB and if you read their profile they sound like they just want to date, no funny business and get paid. Well I can do that by going on [URL]Match.com[/URL]. I have heard from some members that, you have to read their profile and they may hint to being open to doing more than just going on dates. That is true. I have read some profiles from some older SB that do hint to that. I guess, if you meet someone who has hinted at getting into something more intimate then I would at least wait a few dates before bringing this up. On these dates you should focus on the body language, her interest and try to determine if she is even into you physically. So my question is, until you agree with the SB on what you expect from her, is it ok to pay for the dates obviously (drinks, food, movies, tickets. But only offer them "gas" money until you both have agreed to what you want and the dates become more of what you are expecting? Again, as a newbie to being a SD I am just trying not to get played by a SB who will tease you, get as much money from you as she can and when you want to her "pay" up she dissappers or moves on to another SD.[/QUOTE]You say "Every girl is on this site for a reason, I get that".

This should elicit a positive response immediately.

You say "I can afford to pay this much per visit once we decide to have an arrangement".

This will open the door to getting all or most of your questions answered.

If you don't get the exact response you are looking for. Then say. "Well I don't pay just to meet girls or hang-out. But I do pay to play. I may offer less than some, but I am more about steadiness and establishing a real connection. I don't need bad sex and I don't think that's what you"re looking for either".

Sorry to say I've absolutely nothing to report, but I've only been at it for a couple of weeks. So far I'm focusing on SD4 ME. I've gotten a few nibbles, but can't even get to M&G. I've even lowered my standards a bit. I don't know if it's a bad time with the holidays or what. I will continue to vary my approaches to see if I can improve my success beyond zero.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1942158]Funny. I don't really see a lot of contributions from anyone anymore. I could PM a couple of SD's on here and never miss a beat. No real need to go on this blog.

Where are all the other reports? It can't be this bad. There are an awful lot of women out there in need of a stiff dick and some money.

Is there no one out there to service them?

Lets see some reports.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]You could, but that would be no fun. Haha.

Ok, so you want info? I'm an older gentleman, 62. At this age, the 'love' or 'attraction' option rarely applies (only in SE Asia and then it's fake), so it's sugar that gets their attention (and I don't offer much more than $ ) . I've been with the best and don't put up with much shit. So, I'm alone a lot and it doesn't bother me in the least!

I frequently get contacted by 18/19/20 yo spinners. All I can say is-they're flaky. One day here the next day gone, or cancel a M&G 30 minutes before, or stop replying in the middle of a conversation. I really don't want the drama, don't need the sex, not interested in teaching an inexperienced partner, so they are quickly dropped. I had M&Gs with at least three in the past 4 months, did a little foundling with one but her less-than-enthuastic attitude and nipple piercings turned me off.

I settled on a 110#, cute 35 yo MILF that totally understands. Don't bother me. You're there for my enjoyment. When I'm interested I will send a text. When I come over, she offers coffee, conversation, a bath, and a most amazing BBJCIM. Sometimes I drive her to an appointment or wherever, but mostly it's .8 for a couple hours of fun and relaxation.

If something happens to this one I'll go back to my long-time off-and-on $.5 escort 'friend' while I pursue a new SB.

I envy you younger guys. Sounds a lot like me 20/30 years ago. Wish I had this thread back then as a reference. But I'm not sad, I've had my share of the best. And today I couldn't keep up with anyone even if I tried (hahaha.

Mes (J Martinez).

[QUOTE=JMartinez;1942575]You could, but that would be no fun. Haha.

Ok, so you want info? I'm an older gentleman, 62. At this age, the 'love' or 'attraction' option rarely applies (only in SE Asia and then it's fake), so it's sugar that gets their attention (and I don't offer much more than $ ) . I've been with the best and don't put up with much shit. So, I'm alone a lot and it doesn't bother me in the least!

I frequently get contacted by 18/19/20 yo spinners. All I can say is-they're flaky. One day here the next day gone, or cancel a M&G 30 minutes before, or stop replying in the middle of a conversation. I really don't want the drama, don't need the sex, not interested in teaching an inexperienced partner, so they are quickly dropped. I had M&Gs with at least three in the past 4 months, did a little foundling with one but her less-than-enthuastic attitude and nipple piercings turned me off.

I settled on a 110#, cute 35 yo MILF that totally understands. Don't bother me. You're there for my enjoyment. When I'm interested I will send a text. When I come over, she offers coffee, conversation, a bath, and a most amazing BBJCIM. Sometimes I drive her to an appointment or wherever, but mostly it's .8 for a couple hours of fun and relaxation.

If something happens to this one I'll go back to my long-time off-and-on $.5 escort 'friend' while I pursue a new SB.

I envy you younger guys. Sounds a lot like me 20/30 years ago. Wish I had this thread back then as a reference. But I'm not sad, I've had my share of the best. And today I couldn't keep up with anyone even if I tried (hahaha.

Mes (J Martinez).[/QUOTE]Sounds like you need to hit the DR my brother... Try a combo of HgH, testosterone and vitamin C or V. (If its good enough for A-Rod there must be something to it). Combined with a little diet and exercise. I"ll be 60 in 2 months. Teaching can have its rewards (and frustrations).. But I'd rather have a girl trained to my specific needs than have them be ungrateful because I didn't appreciate how awesome they supposedly were. And one of my ATF's is an experienced MILF (and I had to train her). So I hear ya. But there is something about fresh teenage pussy. Legal teenage pussy that is.

[QUOTE=AliasSM;1941873]You've for that right. Since my almost fatal slip-up with the unexplained condom in the wash, everything is above the radar. I can still get out on the rare occasion, but she questions every minute that I am late, even legitimate work commitments.

Last weekend, I was up late using my smart phone to check out the latest posts on this forum and she accused me of being on line with my girlfriend. It was just a passing comment, but you could tell she was serious. She is definitely watching every move. I'm just lucky that she is not tech-savy enough to know how to track my cell phone location. I would definitely be toast.

By the way, for those of you that need to know your SO's location, the Find IPhone app is priceless. As long as she has her phone on, it will tell you exactly where she is while you are trying to discreetly entertain your SB. It is an added level of protection to avoid having the SO accidentally show up at the same location, especially if you occasionally take your SB out on the town for dining or drinks.[/QUOTE]One thing that I had forgotten about are the red light, and speed cameras (don't forget EZ-pass too). I returned home this past week to see an envelop from a jurisdiction that I often play in and seldom work on the counter. My heart raced as I opened it trying to figure out a cover story that would hold water. I opened the envelop to see a nice clear picture of the warden's car! She had taken one of her kids to a concert that evening!

I'm now very cognizant of my speed when heading to / from a rendezvous.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1942673]One thing that I had forgotten about are the red light, and speed cameras (don't forget EZ-pass too). I returned home this past week to see an envelop from a jurisdiction that I often play in and seldom work on the counter. My heart raced as I opened it trying to figure out a cover story that would hold water. I opened the envelop to see a nice clear picture of the warden's car! She had taken one of her kids to a concert that evening!

I'm now very cognizant of my speed when heading to / from a rendezvous.[/QUOTE]Playing outside your normal area can be very dangerous. You can be doing everything correctly and safely, and still have a problem. You can get into an accident that is totally not your fault. As Bikerider has pointed out, a simple ticket can be difficult to explain. Why were you where you were at that particular time? This can all go very bad for all of us. You just need to think about what the worst that could happen is and have a plan to deal with it. When or if it happens, we are not going to be able to think fast on our feet. Always have a plan. Failing to plan is planning to fail.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1942597]Sounds like you need to hit the DR my brother... Try a combo of HgH, testosterone and vitamin C or V. (If its good enough for A-Rod there must be something to it). Combined with a little diet and exercise. I"ll be 60 in 2 months. Teaching can have its rewards (and frustrations).. But I'd rather have a girl trained to my specific needs than have them be ungrateful because I didn't appreciate how awesome they supposedly were. And one of my ATF's is an experienced MILF (and I had to train her). So I hear ya. But there is something about fresh teenage pussy. Legal teenage pussy that is.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the encouragement. I used to be very active, but when I turned 62 the desire went awol. Looking back, it's almost like a light went from bright to dim in a week or two. I've tried a few things myself, testosterone and B12 injections with little results. I'm in fair shape and exercise a little. Guess its time to call on a real doctor. That'll happen next month. In the meantime I have enough to keep me satisfied. Cheers.

Mes.

Well, it didn't take long. While I was with my buddies watching football this afternoon, she texted me to ask how much I would give her if we started an arrangement right away. So I told her 150 per visit. Minimum 2 hours per visit. She jumped right on it. You have to love this time of year. She's a waitress hurting for money and need to buy Christmas presents for family. Seeing her at noon tomorrow. Found a 41 y / o MILF in the same situation that I am meeting on Tuesday. Same donation. You have to love the holidays, LOL.

Well I guess flakes can be found every where including in the SD / SB world. I was supposed to meet a young SB today. We had a time and day set and she confirmed but never heard back from her. This was a super young SB so I am going to attribute this to age but I doubt she is the first or will be my last.

Sorry I haven't posted many updates but I've been making steady progress. Currently have 2 local SB's and haven't had a visitor yet.

#1. 1st SB that is a 22 HYB. 9-10 in the looks dept. Been seeing her weekly. Very fit, but kinda pricey at $400/ meet including hotel. She's one that I've been trying get less business-like. Don't think she's been a pro or UTR, just doesn't want any emotional attachment. Will definitely be losing her next spring as she's planning to move back to Cali. Will be trying to push the envelope more in the FC with this one until then or if I can find a replacement sooner.

#2. 22 HYB, Hungarian girl, more curvy than the first like a softball player, she's apparently trying to go pro as a kickboxer. Go figure. She's more accommodating, eager to please and friendlier than the first, and can host. I just wish she looked leaner like the first girl. She also is cheaper at 200/ meet. If only I could combine her with the first.

The local SB pool seems to have grown a bit and I've gotten a little more courage to fish in this bowl.

I have 1 long distance prospect that I want to bring over next month and we'll see how that goes.

My brothers,

I trust you all had an enjoyable Thanksgiving. In reading over the recent posts, especially from the first-years, I want to congratulate you all for getting out there and trying to make things happen.

Reading our little journal is certainly your best first step, but there is no substitute for experience in the field. Our collected wisdom will certainly help minimize your mistakes, but nothing can guarantee 100% success. Don't be afraid of failure; you will learn from that as much as from your successes.

Green. Good for you. It took you some months, I believe, but it seems like you have two steady babies at the moment, and unless you are BT, Revvo or Hollywood, that's probably all you should expect to handle!

Ltnric. I never pay for more than coffee / drinks / etc on an m&g. No sugar until I have seen the pussy is the way I approach things, but in the end you need to go with your gut. Each situation is different, and the successful SD is a fluid one. That said, be aware of the scammers at all times. In your present situation, I would point-blank ask if the next time you get together, would she be comfortable with you getting a room. If the answer is other than positive, move on.

Fyrguy. Same for you, in my opinion. I totally believe in letting things evolve at their own pace, but the goal should never be too far out of sight, namely the FC. There are ways to keep the sexual tension on without being gross about it. Again, trust your gut; there are no hard and fast rules, just pitfalls to watch out for. Otherwise, fluidity is the word of the day.

Good luck to all, and keep up the good work.

Scott.